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Jeez I think if they those rules back in my day we’d still be in Prison.

TANSTAAFL

If the brothers of these girls were aloud to defend their sisters honor the situation would likely be well in hand (pun intended).  Today, they’d be in jail too.

Ahh.. most likely they are just typical boys thinking they’re funny. Nothing a simple mortifying “ring my ding a ling gauntlet” won’t cure. Girls now a days just aren’t given the chance to take care of themselves. It’s a shame to be teaching them to automatically depend on someone else to handle situations.

Stupid PC policies run amuck

It sounds to me like this school district is run by Nazi feminists with a grudge against everything male.

Line these boys up and give the victims equal swat time.
Now get back to school and don’t eat the glue.

It’s pretty abhorrent. It’s only been 10 years since I was last in high school, but it amazes me how much things have changed. I was a typical teenage guy all through my teenage years. I used to do all those things that made girls giggle and got the occasional slap or a swat on the ass right back… It’s how boys and girls got along during those years of growing up.

More importantly it also taught us tolerance. As teens we learned where the lines were that shouldn’t be crossed and we kept on the right side of them. It taught people not to be so damned sensitive about things. It was called fun. Something that people these days have all but forgotten about. Fun? What’s that?

Part of growing up is the awkward flirting and fun with the opposite sex. Sure I got slapped once in a while for doing the whole stumble and grope a girls but a brush up against a breast, but it was always a slap with a smile and some blushing and maybe even resulted in getting a phone number or something out of the deal. So how do you do it these days? Are the politically correct people out there really trying to sterilize male/female bonding to the point of… Of what? I fear that we’re going down a path where physical contact between human beings will be limited to married couples behind closed doors… And even that had better be appropriate touching, or else you’ll be tattooed with “PERVERT” across your forehead in big red block letters!

... Ok.... Breathe in, breath out… Sorry, this sort of thing just boils my blood.

Issue I have is that with the principle in the same office as a police officer, I do not believe that the boys were entitled to proper legal representation when questioned, nor would a 7th grader understand the criminal consequences of the interrogation.

The accused have legal rights and having a principle and the police simultaneously interviewing these students and both subject to different laws and rules regarding the necessity of the students to submit to questioning poses serious legal issues.

Rob,

You beat me to this one. This is PC in the worst sort of way. These kids aren’t sex offenders. They’re kids. I can assure you that any trauma dealt by these kids because they swatted someone’s butt isn’t nearly what they’re going through right now.

PC will be the downfall of our culture, society, and country.

Oh, and Justin....

The laws vary from state to state concerning the questioning of juveniles. Here in Louisiana a juvenile can’t be interviewed without a parent present and a waiver has to be signed by the parent (after Miranda) before questioning commenced. I don’t know what the laws are in that state and I suspect that you don’t either.

That being said, however, I just don’t think the police should have been involved in this. It’s clearly a school issue and NOT a criminal one.

This is ridiculous.

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

NO WAY!… that is the most ridiculous and biggest waste of time the crimibnal justice system has come up with in awhile…

Dennis Prager spoke of this on Monday - I thought I heard him mention that it was ‘Butt Slap Day’ at the school...? It’s beyond absurd and frightening.

So, so true. There is a standard of retaliation slaps a female returns for a male coming in contact with her. AND YES… my God, it is normally a gesture of admiration and girls perceive it as a compliment.
Unless, it is being outright mean and nasty to a specific girl (lol, or boy) otherwise let them be. Even then her peers should be learning a lesson in helping a fellow classmate out.
Granted there is a specific attitude that goes with the playful retaliation slap but all the same, girls can take care of themselves. Girls make it perfectly clear by the look on their face or in their eyes. LOL, it can be anywhere from giggling with a twinkle in her eyes or the infamous cold stare that could freeze the flames of hell. Also, just a simple threat of becoming a victim in a real life CSI case seems to get the point across to those that dare to cross any serious boundries.
This action is part of the natural process of communication for all adolescents in their attempt at obtaining their role/niche in life. Seriously, someone in authority needs to take control of these absurdities that are stifling kids from progressing into acceptable normal adults.

Anna,

You sure know how to put a dad’s mind at ease.  Us dads tend to think of our daughters as innocent little princesses in need of constant protection, especially at the Jr. High and High School level.  A good dose of reality helps.  Thanks.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1185040507206380.xml&coll=7&thispage=1

Bradley Berry, the McMinnville district attorney, said his office “aggressively” pursues sex crimes that involve children. “These cases are devastating to children,” he said. “They are life-altering cases.”

Last year, in a previously undisclosed prosecution, he charged two other Patton Middle School boys with felony sex abuse for repeatedly slapping the bottom of a female student. Both pleaded guilty to harassment, which is a misdemeanor. Berry declined to discuss his cases against Mashburn and Cornelison.

The boys and their parents say Berry has gone far beyond what is necessary, criminalizing actions that they acknowledge were inappropriate. School district officials said Friday they had addressed the incident by suspending the students for five days.

The outlines of the case have been known. But confidential police reports and juvenile court records shed new light on the context of the boys’ actions. The records show that other students, boys and girls, were slapping one another’s bottoms. Two of the girls identified as victims have recanted, saying they felt pressured and gave false statements to interrogators.

The documents also show that the boys face 10 misdemeanor charges—five sex abuse counts, five harassment counts—reduced from initial charges of felony sex abuse. The boys are scheduled to go on trial Aug. 20.

But here is the good part from page 5:

Rachel Negra, Cornelison’s attorney, called the initial felony counts from Berry’s office “ludicrous.”

“These boys (were) charged with the same crime as a man who pulled a girl off the sidewalk and forced her to have sexual contact behind a bush,” Negra said.

Christian Richter, one of the alleged victims, said, “I think it’s a crime, but I don’t think it’s that serious."…

Parents of two other alleged victims have told the school district they plan to sue because they face “significant expenses” for counseling to deal with the “sexual harassment and abuse.”

Now when we place blame, the people we need to blame are not just the prosecutors or police, but rather the state legislatures that write the laws.  Same deal with Utah where the charged two 13 year olds that had consensual sex with each other both with molestation.  We have to follow the law and when the laws are so poorly constructed as to allow this kind of prosecution, the laws need changed.

But the prosecutor has the ability to plea these cases our and it appears that in this case, the kids did not take a plea deal and the prosecutor choose to throw the book at them.  This kind of thing should be plead down to disorderly conduct and community service, but for whatever reason, the laws allow this shit from the prosecutor and give him the latitude to do this.  The laws need constructed in such a way that dicks like this attorney cannot pull this heavy handed BS.  Now let’s hope his ass ends up unemployed.

Should they get detention and/or suspension?

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

SUE WHO ... SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ABUSE..LIFE-ALTERING CASES??? Excuse me but am I on the wrong thread or are we still talking about the mere slap on a girls derriere?
I definitely need more info on this sexual perversion epidemic this school seems to be having compared to other schools.

Sue the school of course for not preventing it or taking better actions to curtail the behavior.

Why not cash in?  I mean the money just comes from taxes which pay for the insurance for the district.  I bet they hired John Edwards.  He can channel the inner voice of the girl’s asses--I can hear Bobby Sue’s ass talking to me… kinda like channelling the unborn in his trials against OB’s.

Check the religiosity of the prosecutor. Seems like a puritan to me. Or some sort of a religious nut trying to impose his mores to others via his position as a DA.

ellinas: Believe it or not, a lot of people with no particular religious convictions are concerned about sexual harassment, even in schools. He/she may be reacting for political reasons not yet clear. Your anti-Christian bias is showing again!

Touching of any part of the female anatomy (hand shaking, a touch on the arm or something not sexual is not included) at school is wholly inappropriate, demeaning to females and the students need to be disciplined in a serious manner that will set a clear example for others. Quite frankly if females had done this, it is still unacceptable. While if you were accused at the same age, I might support criminal prosecution and even capital punishment, in this case it is clearly an overreaction. Absent more details your extreme judgment about why the prosecutor is taking this step is premature.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

The way that young girls expose themselves these days in their skimpy dress should excuse any boy that pats a girl on what is an intentionly revealing ass.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Neiman. I do not agree with sexual harrassment. The DA is overreacting. You are also overreacting. Everybody put their thoughts and two cents as to what may be going on with the DA and you kept mum.  You did not react or overreact to this statement:

“Stupid PC policies run amuck
It sounds to me like this school district is run by Nazi feminists with a grudge against everything male.
Line these boys up and give the victims equal swat time.
Now get back to school and don’t eat the glue.”

Mickey on July 24, 2007 at 05:30 am

Obviously sir you have a bias too.

ellinas:
First, I think you statement was nonsensical bordering on bizarre. Read it again, you are much better at communicating than your reply indicates.

What was my bias? Not judging the DA before the facts are in? Being against sexual harassment?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I wonder how many young men from Italy would be in jail?

Now .. now docdave don’t be doing the “seek n blame” game here. After all, I do believe everyone is responsible for their own actions regardless of temptation

I have seen several little girls who remind me of hookers. Perhaps the parents and school officials could require a dress code?

Yeah ... but only if they’re wanting the ACLU for company.

Pilgrim, Justin,

In most states, the schools and their officials operate under the legal fiction called in loco parentis meaning that they have all the legal authority of a parent on site.

Unfortunately, they are also government bureaucrats with the power to compel answers to their questions from the students, with no regard for the legal rights of the students… students who are usually required by law to be there in the first place.

On top of that, the schools aren’t being managed… they are on “zero tolerance” auto pilot, to the relief of school administrators who are no longer required to make any sort of decisions, but merely collect their overly generous paychecks, while the schools get progressively worse and worse.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I wonder whether former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong had a problem with his “religiosity” too?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I wonder whether former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong had a problem with his “religiosity” too?
Bat One on July 24, 2007 at 08:05 pm

He did! He was on a mission to crucify innocent people.

Good to see that you’ve lost none of that famous tolerance liberals are always so determined to enforce on others.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Neiman, are you high? I mean, that’s really the only excuse I can think of for you to say that touching between students is inappropriate and demeaning to females. What planet did you grow up on?

I think Anna would back me up here when I say that it is a normal part of growing up. It has only become “demeaning” and “inappropriate” because people like you have surfaced in recent years and told people that it is. Sure, there are limits, and if those limits are crossed then there should be punishment… But some teens goofing around and swatting a butt or two is hardly demeaning to either sex involved.

I don’t rightly know what sort of oversensitive politically correct world you’re advocating for, but it’s certainly not a healthy one for kids to grow up in. This sort of thing was absolutely commonplace when I was in school 10 years ago, yet nobody I know grew up to be sexual predators nor did anybody end up needing years of therapy to deal with the juvenile flirtation that they had to deal with.

Get real, man. This is nothing more than oversensitivity gone way bad - and I might add that it’s oversensitivity on the part of the parents much more so than the girls actually involved. I mean, after all, how many normal 13 year old girls would need the sort of therapy that these parents are claiming they need after being swatted in the butt by a couple of 13-year old boys? It’s absurd at best.

arclightzero: Your snide remark about me being high on drugs indicates you are incapable of civil, decent debate with other human beings. Further, your other comments indicate a lack of intelligence on your part.

10 years ago sexual promiscuity and perversions weere already commonplace in our society. Unless it happened at home, which it apparemtly did not, you had no restraints placed on your sexual behavior and you treat women like sexual objects with a hole between their legs solely designed for you to use as a means of masturbation, but any love for the female has nothing to do with fulfilling your sexual lusts. So, I don’t argue that it was commonplace in your world. But, that doesn’t make it right; it was and is still physically, emotionally and spiritually harmful to those involved, because it makes sexual experiences nothing better than the sexual activities of any lower order of animal.

Unfortunately, looking at sexual relations as something to be reserved for a man and woman in marriage, a matter of a loving, lifelong commitment to your partner and your family is beyond your understanding. You cannot understand the value in keeping sexual relations within the bonds of marriage, and that is a shame because your have lowered yourself and every sexual partner, in your case perhaps male and female, to simple physical receptacles for your animal lust.

You have been cheated by your parents and your teachers; and when you treat or approve of others having physical contact in a sexual context with females absent their consent you are cheating them and treating them like animals created for you to use and cast away. You have cheated their future or current husbands by violating the bodies of women they love, in other words you are no better than any animal and you delibereately harm and encourage other men, perhaps your own children, to harm women by using them as sexual objects, female meat; And, you are hearing this from a man that would get very angry if he was ever accused of being a feminist.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Wow, I didn’t realize all of these things. Thank you so much for pointing them out to me. After all of these years, somebody has finally explained to me just what sort of animal I really am. Amazing…

You know, for somebody who whips out some wild accusations, you certainly don’t have any real compelling arguments. For you to sit back and think it’s acceptable to accuse me of these things is absolutely ridiculous and makes me wonder exactly which one of us is capable of “civil, decent debate with other human beings.” There is and wasn’t anything wrong with the way I lived my childhood. I was groped as much as I groped. As I have said before, it is all a part of growing up. I don’t know anybody who thought that teens goofing around was demeaning or making sexual objects of one another, and I certainly do not know ANYBODYwho thinks that a little bit of playful physical banter between members of the opposite sex has resulted in them thinking that they were objects to be used for masturbation. I’m not sure what planet you’re living on, but here on Earth we’re a bit more civilized than that.

I don’t appreciate your “holier than thou” attitude, Neiman. I have no idea where you get off insulting me, or insulting my parents and upbringing and making such wild accusations regarding my attitude towards women. I have and always will hold women in the highest of regard, but that doesn’t mean that I have to be a prude who operates under fear of lawsuits or jail time every time I break a physical barrier. I really hope you don’t believe the tripe that you are spewing here, Neiman, because it is the sort of thing that creating a really nasty society to live in. If you truly in your heart believe that playful teenage banter violates people to the point you’re trying to make - that it violates the sanctity of their future husbands - then you really need to reevaluate your own life and world views, because there’s something really wrong with thinking that way.

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article #3 with video of boys

The boys need to be punished for insubordination to the school but NOT “sex abuse charges”

arclightzero: Not knowing you personally, I reacted to the clear, unmistakable implications of your post and made logical extrapolations therefrom. You clearly defended physical contact of a sexual nature by boys against girls, thus the logical extension of that position is that you have engaged in and encouraged others to engage in such behavior as being normal, fun, horseplay.

You said that when you were in school such sexual harassment was commonplace and you justified it as horseplay; thus one must assume your parents did not teach you to keep your hands off the bodies of young girls without their permission or despite it being commonplace, to use your own words, you would have expressed some moral outrage to such physical assaults. Had it been your daughter, I doubt you would have been so cavalier (showing an arrogant or jaunty disregard or lack of respect for something or somebody) in your reaction.

Your having expressed no objection to the physical assaults on the posteriors of young girls, the only logical assumption is that you have no regard for them as human beings and only see them as sexual objects; therefore rather than your viewing sexual relations in the context of love, it appears by your own words that you think women are created for you to jump on, piss (semen) in and then cast them away, being amused at your own horseplay.

The “holier than thou” charge is ridiculous in the extreme. Just because a person believes in treating women with respect, as human beings versus sexual objects, it does not imply in any manner a sense of moral superiority; rather, you appear to interpret anyone advancing any moral position as being self righteous, and thereby a direct attack on your own, apparent by your words, misogyny.

Anna: I don’t know why you posted as you did, very early on I made it clear this is not worthy of a criminal prosecution, but a matter for school discipline and for the parents.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Well...I assumed there were others like myself that had not read the previous articles from Feb. and March so, I posted them. I guess, one could take that as my desired willingness to share my newly acquired knowledge with those less fortunate than me

I like Justin’s take on this matter! HA!…

I don’t know if Justin’s take on the matter mentioned that the two previous times it involved the law, it was the same two boys. Now, I am not sure how the parents could state on live tv that this is the first they were notified of any problem ... *roll eyes*
I think if these boys repeatedly broke the same rule then the parents are responsible. This is looking more like a classic case of encouraging victimhood instead of the parents demanding the boys take responsibility which includes the due punishment.
Fess up boys, you are guilty of breaking a clearly stated rule and parents, you are acting like bigger brats then your unruly, bellyaching, future juvenile delinquent kids.

Neiman, I will not continue this argument with you for two reasons.

First off, while you think I am some sort of perverted animal, I think that you are a repressed prude. I don’t think anything either of us will say is going to change those opinions.

Second off, for some insane reason you have it in your head that women are so fragile and delicate that the slightest “violation” - no matter how playful in manner - will result in some sort of physical, emotional and spiritual trauma and that it is up to people like you to protect them from people like me. On the other hand, I give women a whole hell of a lot more credit and firmly believe that they are nowhere near that fragile and can - for the most part - take care of themselves.

I guess what it boils down to is that over my years I have known more girls who enjoyed the playful physical banter between the sexes than girls who were too fragile to handle it. Those who were too fragile were always given a wide berth and left alone. It was the rules, and we obeyed them. Everything else was fair game, which also meant playful physical banter received from the girls as well.

Maybe your experiences were different. If so, then so be it and leave it at that.

Where you do think the idea of raping and beating women comes from?  These kinds of harmless “jokes” need to be nipped in the bud.  We need to teach our boys that it is simply NOT OK to disrespect womens’ or girls’ bodies.

Delta Mud… I doubt very much, because a teenage boy slaps a girl on the but it will turn him into a rapist.

No, maybe not, but allowing that kind of thing to go on reinforces the idea that it is somehow OK to touch or hit girls.  Why ARE there so many women-beaters and rapists, do you think?!  Kids need to be taught that it is not just “wrong” the way spitballs are wrong, but that it is morally wrong to be violent and aggressive.

ZZ: This is the usual feminist crap:  All men are rapists, they just haven’t raped yet.  Any male activity will eventually lead to rape.  It’s just their sick stuff.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

No, Robert108, this is not “feminist crap.” Not all men are rapists, obviously.  But if you’ve ever been to a frat party, you’d see how casual aggressiveness to women can be.  And that’s just one example.  The sexes are EQUAL and rape is an outrage.  You must not think that ANYTHING needs to be done in our society to protect our women.

Delta Mud, that sort of blanket logic doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. There is a world of difference between playful physical banter between boys and girls and violent physical or sexual behavior. One does not logically lead to another. If that were the case, there would certainly be a whole lot more violence going on. It’s the all or nothing mentality that is driving this world into the mess of oversensitive political correctness that we’re now facing.

Is there wrong behavior? Yes, of course, but not all physical contact is wrong or bad. For the most part, physical banter between children is not in the least bit disrespectful or harmful. As I have said ad nauseum, it’s all a part of growing up - an essential part of growing up I might add. I don’t know why all of the sudden people have decided that physical contact = disrespect. It wasn’t always that way, and yet we somehow managed to survive, build strong and positive relationships and lead pretty damned normal lives.

You can’t take the very small minority of bad seeds and decide that because they ended up that way that the best answer is simply to prohibit any action that may be construed as inappropriate. For the most part, people as a whole are decent and civilized enough to be able to handle these sorts of things without breaking down into violent offenders.

Points well taken, arclightzero, but I have seen my share of date rapes and other kinds of aggressive behavior from regular joes that no one (myself included) would characterize as violent offenders.  There is just a too-pervasive attitude that disrespecting women is generally OK.  These attitudes start somewhere and I think that it is good that it be addressed in schools.  I don’t think they’ll convict these kids and they should not, but if they’ve raised the profile of a rule that was widely disregarded AND they follow up with explanations and education about why the rule is so important, than I think this episode has been positive.

DM: The feminists have been disrespecting men and masculinity for a couple generations.  What ye sow, so shall ye reap.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

In their move to acquire power over our personal lives, the socialists who call themselves “feminists” have redefined “rape” to include any male behavior they don’t like.  This school incident is simply an illustration of that.  The goal is to criminalize masculinity.  They’ve been at it since the Sixties.
For them, boys will be girls, or else.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

First of all, any parent who does not WARN their young ladies about Frat parties is not doing a very good job of parenting. Any young lady who decides to engage in a Frat party, well? What can I say? Young males and young females are going to engage eachother. It is a Fact of life. A pat on the but is simply just NOT a criminal offense. It certainly does NOT even come close to rape. In Italy it is almost impossible to go down the street and not get pinched on the but if you happen to be attractive. Should all the Italian males be charged with a crime? I believe before we jump on the it’s a crime for a young male to pat a girl on the but we just might want to review that a bit??? Crying sexual abuse is ridiculous in this case…

Robert108, you are just ridiculous.  Zsa Zsa, you are just not listening. 

I’m debating this but PLEASE don’t tell me that you think a girl DESERVES to be raped EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I meant to say I am DONE debating this.  Debate implies two sides.  You are not listening.

Robert 108...You are so right. I hate to say it because it is so pathetic. BUT males have been discriminated against for just being a male. It is much like Affiirmative Action. Discriminate just to discriminate against policy…

DM: You are the only one talking about rape.  This thread is about the criminalization of boyish behavior.  A playful slap on the butt is not rape.
Debate requires honesty, and you are not being honest here.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

Delta Mud...Rape is NEVER ok. IF you concluded that from what I said? You are the one not listening. BUT this is clearly NOT a rape crime or a sexual abuse crime or even a crime…

DM: you are certainly right. inappropriate behavior needs to be addressed early on, but how does one go about defining inappropriate behavior? Therein lies the challenge. Obviously rape is unacceptable. But where does a playful slap to the butt lie in the spectrum? Perhaps we need to look at intent. If a physical act towards a member of the opposite sex is done with malicious intent or with intent to cause unease or intimidation, then there may be grounds to consider it inappropriate behavior. However, kids being kids is not malicious. 13-year olds swatting butts is not an action designed to intimidate, humiliate or otherwise damage the other party involved (whether that is a male or a female).

This is where the PC crowd has really gotten us into a rut here. These days there is no line drawn to differentiate between malicious behavior and playful banter. We are constantly being told that action is action, and regardless of the intent the action is still wrong, and personally I strongly disagree with that way of thinking. We are trying too hard to dictate human behavior based on what we are being told is morally right or wrong without any room for exception, which is not human nature. Just like everything else, there is a spectrum of behavior to consider, not just the black and white of it. By doing this we end up putting rape and playful childhood banter in essentially the same category, which is wholly unacceptable. Not only that but it all too easily allows people to draw the “logical” connection between physical contact as children and sexual deviance later on in life, which woefully oversimplifies something that is very complicated.

We need to teach our boys that it is simply NOT OK to disrespect womens’ or girls’ bodies.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Where you do think the idea of raping and beating women comes from?

Those ideas come from the minds of sick perverted psychopaths who, regardless of how the normal population behaves they will still be the sick perverted psychopaths they are.
Do you seriously believe that the Amish, Muslim, Catholic, private schools or any other social group that suppresses this type of play don’t have sick perverted psychopaths amongst them? Well, they do.
Girls need to know that they have the right to put the guys in their proper place.
Trying to hide the fact that guys can misbehave towards girls is the real crime. Let normal behavior proceed and allow adolescents to learn from one another what is socially acceptable.
Apparently, these two boys neglected to learn the normal way therefore, they’re being taught the hard way. This is not only an example to all the other boys on how far is proper but it is showing all the girls just how much is to be tolerated.
There is a limit and who will show these adolescents that limit if it’s not addressed now?
Maybe, people should be asking if this is why some women tolerate abuse as adults? They may know it’s not right but where in society do they learn they don’t have to tolerate it?
People need to keep in mind, not all children have the perfect home environment to learn from.

It is sad that so many people here are actually defending the actions of these boys as just playful behavior, even Zsa Zsa and Anna don’t seem, based on what I’ve read, to think the girls deserve more respect than this and not have thier bodies touched without their permission. The world has changed so much, women are just sexual objects now and everyone should just shut up about it unless they agree; and they should allow their daughters and granddaughters, sister and etcetera be subjected to pawing and unwanted physical contact, hell it’s just playing around.

I guess that is why so many girls in Middle and High Schools today dress and act like prostitutes, they might as well behave like sluts that’s what everyone thinks they are anyway.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

IF saying that patting someone on the but is a criminal offense? Then yes I am defending these young men. I don’t necessarily agree they should pat them on the but. I just don’t believe it is a crime. AND it is certainly not a sex crime. Take a good look at the high schoolers today and even younger. Their attitudes along with attire are for the most part improper by any means. Parents and school officials ignore much of the behavior due to LAWS.  Parental rights have been taken away and therfore these LAWS have interfered with parental control. If you ask me most of these kids could use a good hard pat on the but from the parents to guide them. I got spanked once and it put the fear of getting spanked again. Children today are for the most part extremely disrespectful to their elders and just don’t respect authority. Silly me, maybe I am wrong? BUT it sure appears that way to me.

Zsa Zsa: About state of our society and it being an underlying factor in this episode I agree wholeheartedly that things have gotten pretty bad. I also agree this does not rise, at least with the information I have, to a criminal matter.

Where I disagree with most posting here is that I don’t think it should be acceptable behavior, and even if the girls dress like prostitutes and act like sluts, if among them was even one girl not of that mindset, she does not deserve to have her body violated by anyone.

I do not agree that touching the posterior of another person, male or female, without their prior consent is a matter of play, it is the unnecesary and often unwelcome violation of someones body.

Lastly, these boys should be severely disciplined (suspended and doing something to demonstrate their regrets) to send that message to other boys that such behavior will not be tolerated on school grounds.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Suspend them from school or disciplin them. BUT to make them into sexual predators in the eyes of te law is going way beyond the scope.

Zsa Zsa: I agree entirely with what you said above!

On the other hand, I don’t think the school and parents should treat it lightly, it was a violation of these girls bodies without their consent.

On my third hand, as you stated with all the laws taking authority away from parents, having them fear prosecution for punishing their children and the schools fearing law suits no matter what they do, I guess nothing will be done which will convey a message to other children that such behavior is unacceptable.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman… You have three hands? HA! just kidding.

If someone pats me on the derriere, trust me, I communicate very loud and clear whether that is acceptable.  Are we, as a society, just supposed to expect adolescents to automatically know right from wrong without minor trial errors?
These boys trial(ed) and error(ed) three times and now they rightly deserve to be punished. No one is arguing that. But, if my close male and female friends occasionally pat me on my behind in a friendly manner then so be it. I certainly prefer that to someone slapping the back of my head AND GUESS WHAT .. I can guarantee there is no rule against them doing that to me but they’re going to know not to do it to me again.
I don’t know everyones age here but perhaps that or many other reasons could account for the difference of opinions. Either way, NO ONE is condoning sexual assault

I came to a conclusion about when I was this age (yes, long, long, long term memory skills are handy at times)
From the dawn of adolescence , playful butt slapping, bra snapping, etc., has been subdued by the common knowledge of 4 natural consequences…
* She slapped you.
* Her boyfriend kicked your ass
* The principal broke out the paddle
* Dad.
Of course these days it could include her kicking your ass too.
Just to share a side note on this issue, a pathetic one at that:

To send money to the Cory and Ryan Defense Fund,
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LOL, grrr… perhaps if they followed the rules they wouldn’t be in this situation

You’re 100% correct, Anna. I got myself walloped many times… And it was funny because many of those wallopings ended up in dating or flings or whatever. That was back when banter like that was flirting.

Do people do that these days, or is it just dirty talking over the internet?