Monday, June 30, 2008
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Oh, you mean like Ron Paul, who your Fox News, Limbaugh, Savage, bible thumping crowd demonized. Yea, good pick on McCain, im sure he will cut government down to size. WTF.
Nice off-topic nonsense.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
The Gipper courted the religious right. Now they want to shove their morality down all our throats from the Fed level. D’oh.
Addington developed his ‘unitary theory’ and rationalized it with “the smoke clearing from 9/11”. D’oh.
Absolutely true! War-mongering, big government Republicans took over the party in 2000 with their “big break” in 2001.
Time to take it back with true conservatives!
Nice off-topic nonsense.
Yes, thanks Robert108: The thread was used solely as an excuse to Christian bash. These are Christ hating liberals and look for every opportunity to play this sad game.
Sparkless: Why is it okay for the homosexuals, drug legalization, anti-Christian liberals and etcetera to try and force their immorality upon America, but it is not okay for Christian Conservatives to try and influence government to adopt their Judeo-Christian moral-social values? Why is it okay for those on one side of the political spectrum to force their values on everyone, but it is not fair for the other side? A bit of hypocrisy?
Mike Liberty Peterson: “War-mongering” Republicans, please examine the historical records and see how many wars involving America were started under Democrat (Liberal) Administrations versus Republican (Conservative ones) and then get back to us with your childish nonsense.
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
Neiman: For the leftie pinheads, responding to terrorism is “warmongering”. The leftie cowards want to pander to the terrorists, like Clinton did, hide their heads in the sand, while hoping the whole thing is a bad dream. Not qualified to lead the country.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
Knee-high-man
Why is it okay for the homosexuals, drug legalization, anti-Christian liberals and etcetera to try and force their immorality upon America, but it is not okay for Christian Conservatives to try and influence government to adopt their Judeo-Christian moral-social values?
First, if you had a history of symmetrical treatment of this theme, that would be one thing. Then your question would have some sting. Unfortunately, you are a chauvinist and don’t feel that anyone is correct but you and, moreover, everyone should abide by your moral dictums. On top of it, you often become an enraged hypocrite, crying and braying like a little liberal ‘victim’.
Why is it okay for those on one side of the political spectrum to force their values on everyone, but it is not fair for the other side?
Thank you for laying bare the rationale that has hoodwinked all you jerks into becoming a big govvy party.
Also, you equate me with the liberals. Sorry, but you are wrong. If you need a token one around here, go find one, but i aint him. I choose only to comment on this blog because, no matter how much I disagree with you all, I disagree with big party democrats even more.
First, if you had a history of symmetrical treatment of this theme, that would be one thing. Then your question would have some sting.
One has nothing to do with the other. If you have anti-black racism for two centuries, it doesn’t justify pro-black racism for the next two. Either a thing is right or it is not. If it is right for your side of the moral spectrum to try and force your immoral values upon others, it is equally right to defend the right of those opposing your moral-social values to promote theirs with passion.
Unfortunately, you are a chauvinist and don’t feel that anyone is correct but you and, moreover, everyone should abide by your moral dictums.
Those are your biased, ignorant opinions, having nothing whatsoever to do with reality. If one has a strong belief for example that child molestation is wrong and they invest their life and passions in fighting against it, you can call them a chauvinist and insist that they demand everyone abide by their believes in this matter. But, it is only their passionate belief in certain core values and an indication that the person believes those values are worth fighting to advance.
On top of it, you often become an enraged hypocrite, crying and braying like a little liberal ‘victim’.
To a degree I have to say ‘mea culpa,’ I am guilty of excess anger at times and at times I have felt victimized by those that don’t share my values. This is a human weakness, I am not proud of my weaknesses; but in my own defense, feeling that more and more people in the country and the world are rejecting certain core values I hold very dear and which I think are absolutely essential for a free society and democratic justice, I invest my passions in fighting to resist those negative forces and can get caught up in my emotions (anger), which does not make my values or points less the truth, only less palatable and reflects poorly on those values at times.
I am glad to hear you hate big government Democrats, but your anti-Christian hatred and bias truly belongs more in the liberal camp than in any other.
I must go back to work now, so I cannot reply further until later this afternoon.
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
Sparkie. I now see your prejudice. Have a look at what communists shove down the throats of innocent civilians.
Communism is evil
Mike Liberty Peterson: “War-mongering” Republicans, please examine the historical records and see how many wars involving America were started under Democrat (Liberal) Administrations versus Republican (Conservative ones) and then get back to us with your childish nonsense.
hahaha. The modern Republican mold is anything but conservative. You are right about one thing though. In the past Democratic Administrations have more often been the ones to start wars. As a history buff, I know this. However, that is certainly not the case TODAY.
Granted, I barely see any difference at all with either party.
I worked with a bible thumper who always ran down Clinton for not supporting teaching the bible in school. I told him one day he was right, “You know your right, that is a good idea, then your kids could confess there sins to the teacher.” He became enraged. “I dont believe in that crap. All those Idle Worshiping Catholics are going to hell. The school wouldnt be run by them, no way.”
I asked him why his religion(Southern Baptist)was right and ALL the others were wrong. And of course he came up with a few verses picked out out the bible, that supported his case. None of them were, by the way. Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10). But they will pick a couple out of the Old Testament and a couple out of the New Testament to make there case.
These people are so full of hate that they cant see past what they are fed every Sunday, and every day and night by there Profits on the radio and T.V. (The likes of Rush and Savage) Hate the fagots, hate the niggers, hate the Islamic believers, hate the Democrats, hate anyone that doesn’t believe EXACTLY what they believe. And if you hate them it is so much easier not to care when you are killing hundreds of thousands of them in the name of Democracy.
They would all stand back and let any Islamic believer be killed because they are not going to THERE heaven. And if thats O.K. the rest of us wouldn’t be far behind. They are the new Nazi, hate in the name of anything is still hate.
You cant reason with them, logic has no place with them.
Buzz: The inconvenient truth for you Godless lefties is this: the Islamic terrorists you love so much want to kill you for not believing as they do. No matter how annoying some Christians might be, there is really no comparison, and it’s pathetic that you don’t know that.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
Buzz. From one person to every Christian. That is interesting. I do not even make this broad condemnation of Muslims who killed about 3,000 innocent civilians on 9/11/01. Unlike people like you, I follow the twelfth point of the Scout Law: A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.
Communism is evil
Chief RZ
How do you feel about the good Christians who lynched blacks in the antebellum south? You want to bring historical prejudices to bear on this? Like the historic emotional events Milosevic insighted the Serbs to commit war crimes with? Well, the Truth is that if the US had a chance to commit a srebrenitza-like massacre against commies, you’d be there cheerleading like a little bloodthirsty girl. Dangerous.
History, eh? Look what these good Christians did.
Mary Turner (d. 1918) was an African-American lynching victim in Valdosta, Georgia.
In May, 1918, a white plantation owner did not like the fact that Hayes Turner spoke up to him. A mob came and tortured his eight-month pregnant wife in front of him. She was taken from her home by a mob of several hundred, doused in gasoline and motor oil and set on fire. Then they lynched her. Possibly during all of this, her legs were cut off from the knees down to the feet. After this Hayes Turner was lynched after his wife, but not before he was castrated.
On top of all this, a member of the mob split her abdomen open with a knife, and the unborn but alive child came out of her. His little hand was cut off by someone. They tried to sow two cats inside the still Mary’s womb. The unborn baby’s head was crushed under the heel of another member of the mob. Finally, Turner’s body was riddled with bullets.
or the good Christian Ed Gein:
Ed Gein, America’s greatest necrophiliac, was born 101 years ago today in La Crosse, Wisconsin. Gein’s mother, Augusta, was crazed with religion and eventually insisted her family retreat from the temptations of the city, where she believed her sons would turn into sex-crazed zombies. Moving to rural Plainfield, the Gein family lived in relative isolation from the rest of the world, with Ed and his older brother Henry remaining on the farm well into their adult years.
Sadly for “Weird Old Eddie,” Gein’s father, his brother Henry, and his mother all died within a five-year period during the early 1940s. Gein’s devotion to his mother was especially severe, and her passing crushed him. This left Ed utterly alone with his increasingly bizarre obsessions, which included human taxonomy and graverobbing—interests he cultivated by reading pulp fiction, pornography and medical almanacs. Freed from the supervisory eyes of his family, Gein’s various sojourns to the graveyards of central Wisonsin provided him with a great many trophies. Among his more impressive feats, Ed Gein exhumed the bodies of the recently deceased and shrank their heads, some of which he displayed to the occasional visitor, claiming to have received them from the South Pacific. He also draped flayed skin over a tailor’s dummy, intending to compose a suit of female skin.
In November 1957, a Plainfield hardware store owner named Bernice Worden vanished; Gein was the last person seen at her store, and his reputation cast reasonable suspicion on his role in the disappearance. When Gein’s farmhouse was searched, horrified police—including Worden’s son, who happened to be the sheriff—discovered the missing woman’s decapitated corpse, hanging upside-down in the woodshed like a dressed deer. In addition to Worden’s body, Gein’s house was found to contain a necklace of human lips, clothing and lampshades composed of tanned human skins, and skulls that had been converted into bedposts and soup bowls. The refrigerator was packed with human organs.
How do you feel about the good Christians who lynched blacks in the antebellum south?
Those were done by the terrorist arm of the Dem Party, the KKK, and the purpose was to drive both black and white Republicans out of the South. It had nothing to do with their Christianity. Please make a logical or factual argument about the teachings of Christ support that behavior.
Same with Ed Gein. He was probably a homosexual, but I notice you don’t attribute his behavior to that.
Very revealing, Sparkie. Was Ed a Dem? Did he ever eat potato chips?
As usual, you are full of crap.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
I find it entertaining that the usual cast of leftie liars here is trying desperately to distract from the inconvenient truth that Americans overwhelmingly support American values of free enterprise economics and limited govt. Ultimately, it means they will have a very hard time selling their Marxist crap to people who know better what is good for them. I expect an increased propaganda barrage.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
Inconvenient poll numbers for America’s liberals.
I see it as more inconvenient for McCain than Obama. Clinton won with 43% so can Obama. The rest of us are dealing with the five stages of grief with McCain.
McCain should be all over this, but it conflicts with his economic policies, doesn’t it?
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
the terrorist arm of the Dem Party
which turned into the republican party.
The most significant result of this poll is that Americans overwhelmingly reject govt-mandated income redistribution as an economic policy. Follow the link.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
...which turned into the republican party.
You’re just full of leftie lies today, Sparkie! The only KKK member of the Congress is a Dem. It’s also true that the southern Dems who saw the light and became Republicans were required to renounce their Dem racist past. The Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of the fifties and sixties; the Dems were so divided that they couldn’t do it by themselves. Example: Albert Gore, Sr. D-Tennesee
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
the terrorist arm of the Dem Partywhich turned into the republican party.
William “flag stomp” Ayers is a Republican???
Bernadine Dohrn is a Republican???
Mike Klonsky is a Republican???
When did this happen???
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.
Frederick W. Kagan
When did this happen???
Did you miss your appointment at the re-education camps? It was like a PowerPoint ‘splosion!
ah, you refer to the politicians, i refer to the voting base.
With the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it was the final straw for many Southern Democrats, who began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression.
Actually, I’m sure Mr. Carbuncle thought he was being funny!
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.
Frederick W. Kagan
i refer to the voting base.
Please feel free to point out any examples you have of domestic terrorists in the Republican voting base, Sparkie!
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.
Frederick W. Kagan
the terrorist arm of the Dem Party
And so your meaningless quote about the Civil Rights act (which Al Gore Sr. opposed) is merely a smoke screen or red herring to divert our attention away from the terrorists?
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.
Frederick W. Kagan
domestic terrorists
The Weathermen
Animal Liberation Front
Earth Liberation Front
The Unibomber
Any of these guys right of center?
For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.
Frederick W. Kagan
The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great
Depression.
The reason for the Dem majority in the South was their racism and terrorism against both black and white Republicans. Like Jewish lefties, Dem voters in the South saw the light, and realized their old racist politics was dead, and joined the Republican Party, which was never racist.
As usual, Sparkie, you ignore the obvious for the insignificant, all in the name of your obvious leftie partisanship.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
Buzz:
Just for the sake of the truth, the Christian Bible was not only taught in virtually every public school in this nation until the very early Twenty Century, the Northwest Ordinace, whereby states are admitted to the Union, encouraged bible teaching in public schools as the best means of teaching morality and good government. I am not in favor of that today as the schools are decidedly liberal and this nation no longer has the strong Judeo-Christian base it once had, to ouir peril as a people; but if you want to be truthful - please note the Christian Bible was taught in virtually all our schools until liberals gained power in America after the Civil War.
Sparkless knows better, he is so deceitful at times, but if he tried a little honesty, he would recall that it was white Christians in the Antebellum North and in England that were at the forefront in abolishing slavery altogether, were mostly those involved in the underground railroad and it was a white Republican that issued the Emancipation Proclomation, which for Sparkless is an inconvenient truth. Robert108 already dealt very well with your KKK nonsense!
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
the racist voting base in the south went GOP during the 1960’s and remains so today. how many democrats do you see flying confederate flags, eh?
Sparkless, all you can do is engage in obfuscations and misdirection, as you are absent any intelligent arguements.
The thread is about limited government and you have thrown every other piece of crap you can think of against the wall, praying to your evolutionary god darwin that something will stick. Don’t pretend you are not for Obama, you are playing the race card just as he is!
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
To a degree I have to say ‘mea culpa,’ I am guilty of excess anger at times and at times I have felt victimized by those that don’t share my values. This is a human weakness, I am not proud of my weaknesses; but in my own defense, feeling that more and more people in the country and the world are rejecting certain core values I hold very dear and which I think are absolutely essential for a free society and democratic justice, I invest my passions in fighting to resist those negative forces and can get caught up in my emotions (anger), which does not make my values or points less the truth, only less palatable and reflects poorly on those values at times.
An enlightened statement. Now try to place yourself on the other side for just a moment. Dont you think the other side has the same problem? They feel resentful of those who try to control them with what they perceive as superstition and irrationality. They become enraged as well. They communicate with that rage near the surface, and all that does is fuel the fire. Its not the ideology that brings us down its the hypocracy on both sides.
Thanks Neiman. You are an honest person about your own prejudices. Thats more than can be said of most far lefties or far righties. bobbie blue should take a lesson or two from you.
I worked with a bible thumper who always ran down Clinton for not supporting teaching the bible in school. I told him one day he was right, “You know your right, that is a good idea, then your kids could confess there sins to the teacher.” He became enraged. “I dont believe in that crap. All those Idle Worshiping Catholics are going to hell. The school wouldnt be run by them, no way.”
I asked him why his religion(Southern Baptist)was right and ALL the others were wrong. And of course he came up with a few verses picked out out the bible, that supported his case. None of them were, by the way. Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10). But they will pick a couple out of the Old Testament and a couple out of the New Testament to make there case.
These people are so full of hate that they cant see past what they are fed every Sunday, and every day and night by there Profits on the radio and T.V. (The likes of Rush and Savage) Hate the fagots, hate the niggers, hate the Islamic believers, hate the Democrats, hate anyone that doesn’t believe EXACTLY what they believe. And if you hate them it is so much easier not to care when you are killing hundreds of thousands of them in the name of Democracy.
They would all stand back and let any Islamic believer be killed because they are not going to THERE heaven. And if thats O.K. the rest of us wouldn’t be far behind. They are the new Nazi, hate in the name of anything is still hate.
You cant reason with them, logic has no place with them.
Right on right on right on
Dragon Poker:
Just for the sake of the truth, the Christian Bible was not only taught in virtually every public school in this nation until the very early Twenty Century, the Northwest Ordinace, whereby states are admitted to the Union, encouraged bible teaching in public schools as the best means of teaching morality and good government.
The point being, the framers of our great Constitution did not agree with you on this matter. I also said:
I am not in favor of that today as the schools are decidedly liberal and this nation no longer has the strong Judeo-Christian base it once had, to our peril as a people; but if you want to be truthful - please note the Christian Bible was taught in virtually all our schools until liberals gained power in America after the Civil War.Teaching the Christian Bible does not require it be a matter of ministry, thus nonsense like a child repenting to their teacher is ludicrous in the extreme.
You said:
Don’t you think the other side has the same problem? They feel resentful of those who try to control them with what they perceive as superstition and irrationality.
Until 1962 there was never a problem with that in America, we were a Judeo-Christian people for the most part and nothing was forced on anyone, other than good morals and decent government. But, maybe you can explain how a people trying to lawfully influence the government to create laws that adhere to their basic Judeo-Christian beliefs is a matter of force? Doesn’t every citizen have that right? When for instance homosexuals try to influence government to overthrow the basic moral-spiritual values that have seen this nation safely here thus far, should they remain silent or if they have any true faith in God, should they not oppose such changes in our national moral fabric?
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
Dragon Poker:
Just for the sake of the truth, the Christian Bible was not only taught in virtually every public school in this nation until the very early Twenty Century, the Northwest Ordinace, whereby states are admitted to the Union, encouraged bible teaching in public schools as the best means of teaching morality and good government.
The point being, the framers of our great Constitution did not agree with you on this matter. I also said:
I am not in favor of that today as the schools are decidedly liberal and this nation no longer has the strong Judeo-Christian base it once had, to our peril as a people; but if you want to be truthful - please note the Christian Bible was taught in virtually all our schools until liberals gained power in America after the Civil War.
Teaching the Christian Bible does not require it be a matter of ministry, thus nonsense like a child repenting to their teacher is ludicrous in the extreme.
You said:
Don’t you think the other side has the same problem? They feel resentful of those who try to control them with what they perceive as superstition and irrationality.
Until 1962 there was never a problem with that in America, we were a Judeo-Christian people for the most part and nothing was forced on anyone, other than good morals and decent government. But, maybe you can explain how a people trying to lawfully influence the government to create laws that adhere to their basic Judeo-Christian beliefs is a matter of force? Doesn’t every citizen have that right? When for instance homosexuals try to influence government to overthrow the basic moral-spiritual values that have seen this nation safely here thus far, should they remain silent or if they have any true faith in God, should they not oppose such changes in our national moral fabric?
Sorry about the mess in the previous attempt!
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
What evere happened to schools teaching the basics, like reading, writing and arithmetic?
If you want to learn about religon, and possibilities offer it as a course later, but not as a requirement.
Leave the teaching of religon to the churches and the parents.
The Classroom should be for teaching the essentials like reading, writing, arithmetic, geography (how many kids can actually find Iraq, let along Colorado on a map?).
Gay agendas need to be removed, it has no place in the classroom, especially K-12.
Religon of any sort needs to be removed frm being taught in school, UNLESS it is a religous school. Though removing the teaching of religon should by no means intefere with allowing others to pray if they feel like, or coming together to discuss religon or pray. What students do are not considered teaching, and encroaching on thier rights to discuss freely with each other prayer or thier lives should not be infringed on by school officials.
Teachers should not be teaching opinion or THIEr views. They stick with the sylabus, and should not be attacking students in discussions because thier views may differ. That is not the way of discussion, and teachers should know better - they are after all SUPPOSED to be the adults.
Schools should not be trying to usurp the rights of the Parents, but should be working with the parents to refine the education of what they are teaching children to better work through problems that may be occurring. The school should not discount parents objections, they are teachers, not the care takers of these children. If the parents have a objection, they damn well better listen.
Leave politics for the political courses.
I see alot of people here are discussing the past, while if we do not examine hte past we may be doomed to repeeat it, I do not think it has much bearing on the present at the moment.
Also, discussing individual assocaitions does not mean the group or the party as a whole takes the same view. There have been kooks on both sides of the aisle but I can bet you it is not the main ideal of either party to hurt, injure or kill someone who differs from thier opinions. (Drive them into silence, yeah, I can believe that)
I believe I hold a Conservative view for the most part, but I am willing to listen and discuss other possibilities with as much an open mind as I am able. I try and vote not for the party, but for the most capable person that holds a certain value set that I am agreeable with, or come close to with agreement, and who I believe is the most suited and equipped person to deal with the problems of today.
I believe the republicans, the majority of them have become spineless, and I think the electorate need to have a change of representatives in Washington. I do not mean replace them with Democrats, but with representatives that will listen to thier electorate and not say one thing and do another.
If you really want to get involved, and get rid of spineless republicans and rinos, then target the known ones, and push and suppot a Conservative to reun against that person, removing them from washington and putting someone who will listen to the voters.
These people are supposed to be there to represent us, they need to be reminded of this.
Nieman,
re: Bible teaching in public schools. Yes, I seem to recall the presence of hornbooks. Tablets that were often Bible-related stories or verses. They were called Hornbooks because they were really single-page, double-sided tablets covered with a clear, waterproof coating.
Given the Biblical warnings against homosexuality and other excesses that allegedly brought on the destructions of the Flood and the nuking of Sodom and other Cities of the Plain, I can’t imagine that homosexuality would fit in anywhere in a positive mention in pre-Brown v. Board of Education schooling.
But since that Supreme Court ruling wrested local control of schools and curricula from parents and local authorities, we have been subjected to an ever-increasing political indoctrination of our kids, matched only by the degree that they have been dumbed down insofar as history, mathematics, science and other substantive courses are concerned.
...for great justice
Sparkie. @30June 3:55 You are engaged in wild speculation here as well as what some call reverse gender bias.
you’d be there cheerleading like a little bloodthirsty girl. Dangerous.
Like another poster, from one incident that may or may not have been what or how you describe to “all Christians” Even taking the worse case that this is connected, how many died? One. vs. 3,000 on 9/11/01. How in your paragraph do you come to the conclusion that the person instigating this was a Christian?
This happened 90 years ago. We kill over one million 1,000,000 babies every year. I will not call all them athiesists, Christians, Muslims or Catholics. They are people who murder babies. Same thing, different perspective.
Now, it is true that most of these type people were Democrats and KKK members. They did not turn into Republicans. That is a myth. Not true, a lie perpetrated by certain other people to fool others.
There are plenty of instances cited below to support the above.
Communism is evil
Now, back to the topic:
“The Atheists bulldozed all the churches”
Limited government would prevent this murder of millions of people. Ten million Ukranians. Limited government. Power to the people at the local levels.
What we did in South Carolina about twenty years ago: Home Rule. It took power away from US Representatives and gave it to the counties and various school districts to be responsive to people in their small communities so they could see what they were doing with their money.
Sparkie. I saw the change you speak about. In the 1960s most state and county elected officials were Democrats. After numerous scandals exposed by SLED and the US Dept of Justice, they were convicted of crimes. The good Republicans who did not “excuse” their friends from paying taxes were finally elected. I will be glad to name names. It took about thirty years to enlighten the populace to the dirty deeds of the Democrats. We now have almost a complete Republican State, elected by the people of our state.
Any questions? Limited government.
Communism is evil
sanity: First, the framers of the Constitution and the founders of this nation wholly disagreed with you big time. They believed that the Christian faith taught good morals which were and are essential for good government. Even Thomas Jefferson agreed.
“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also.” Thomas Jefferson
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religious, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.” Patrick Henry 1776
“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” John Quincy Adams 6th US President and son of John Adams
I could go on and on, but the point is that people much wiser than you disagreed. They even included this principle in The Northest Ordinace, whereby new territories find the qualifications for statehood:
Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.
Nonethless, I actually agree about not teaching the Bible in schools today. In the late forties a thoroughly dispicable human being, Justice Hugo Black created the false doctrine of separation of church and state; in 1962 the damnable Warren Court (SCOTUS) by outlawing school prayer, basing it on the lie of separation, told Almighty God He was persona non grata in the the public square; thereafter the twin religions of secular humanism and extreme liberalism took control over our public schools, instituted an open hositility towards Christ, the Church and all people of faith and therefore, I too do not want these Christ hating liberals teaching the Christian Bible.
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation:
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
Not one person’s opinion, but an entire constitutional convention, ratified by 3/4ths of the several state’s legislatures.
by outlawing school prayer, basing it on the lie of separation, told Almighty God He was persona non grata in the the public square; thereafter the twin religions of secular humanism and extreme liberalism took control over our public schools,
We have seen the gradual decline of discipline in the public schools ever since.
Drug dealers, prostitutes, half of the girls with at least one illegitimate child before they get to High School. Fights in school, almost the entire school body on at least one drug every day. Students who can not spell, memorize multiplication tables, get to class, write their names on a paper, kicking children in the head, raping girls in the bathroom, etc.
Which is worse? Allowing God into the classroom or anarchy/atheism?
Communism is evil
”...to the shores of Tripoli.” Things change.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
Things change.
Thank you for proving my point.
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
robert108,
Those were done by the terrorist arm of the Dem Party, the KKK, and the purpose was to drive both black and white Republicans out of the South. It had nothing to do with their Christianity.
Are you saying that because they were Democrats is the reason that they were racist and hated black people? Assuming that they based their reasons for such hatred because they were Christian would be equally absurd. You willfully assume that it’s because their Democrats with no factual evidence, but with the same assumption, you assume it wasn’t because they were Christian.
The inconvenient truth for you Godless lefties is this: the Islamic terrorists you love so much want to kill you for not believing as they do. No matter how annoying some Christians might be, there is really no comparison, and it’s pathetic that you don’t know that.
Ever heard of the Crusades? I’m sure you will say, “You lie, that was so long ago. Moron” Well, so was the history of the Democratic party and the KKK which is the opposite of what it is today.
Please make a logical or factual argument about the teachings of Christ support that behavior.
Please make a logical AND factual argument how if you become a Democrat you automatically want to kill others and have no morals.
Are you saying that because they were Democrats is the reason that they were racist and hated black people?
No. I clearly said that they were terrorists, charged with the task of driving both black and white Republicans out of the South. Can’t you read?
The Dem Party in the South hated the Republicans for freeing the slaves; they did it out of partisan hatred and the desire for control, much like the Dems of today.
The Crusades were fought to stop the invasion of the Holy Land by the Muslim hordes. That’s simple history. Islam has always been a very violent, imperialist religion, which is intolerant of any other religions. Read up on “conversion by the sword”. Educate yourself.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
rbb: Real Big Butthead!
The words “separation between church and state,” appear nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, it was a single line from a single letter by Jefferson, wherein in context, he was assuring the Danbury Baptists that he, despite rumors to the contrary, would not imitate Britain or other nations in establishing a National (Federal) Christian Denomination. You knew that, you like KKK Hugo Black took it out of context, making it into a lie. But, since you are such a cut and paste expert with an inability to make any coherent arguements on your own, having no original thoughts, what precedents of the SCOTUS or other historical documents did Grand Dragon Black use to justify this damnable lie? Hmm?
Thomas Jefferson:
“The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”
“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” [Letter to Benjamin Rush April 21, 1803]
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” [Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781]
“It [the Bible] is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.”
[Jan 9, 1816 Letter to Charles Thomson]
Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. . .
I think Thomas Jefferson just called you a liar!
You other points were obfuscations having no bearing on the topic!
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
Thomas Jefferson
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
It would be safe to argue that the 1st Amendment was intended to deny congress the power to establish a state religion such as the Church of England which every citizen was forced to support by taxation, regardless of their personal religious preference.
Had the Framers wished to ban religion in the public square, they could have easily and clearly done so. They did not.
"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”
“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
I think Thomas Jefferson just called you a liar too!
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
"Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, nor limiting the free exercise thereof.”
Seems pretty clear to me. Religion is up to the citizens, not the govt.
BTW, Hugo Black was a KKK member(and a Dem) who hated Catholics, even more than blacks and Jews; his “separation of Church and State” bullshit was directed at the Catholic Church.
Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.
RBB: I want to see a link so I can determine the context, unless you are afraid!
Unless you are calling my quotations false, surely the statement above and his many other statements on faith and Christianity seem at odds; so shall we use this one short quotation to erase and make null and void his other pronuncements? Shall we take the reference to Natures God and Our Creator from the Declaration of Independence, because the quote you chose proves Jefferson hated the idea of God and rejected Christ and the Church?
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.” - Thomas Jefferson
Pparets: Exactly! No state religion (denomination)! It was intended to keep Congress and the government out of religion, the extent of being part of a particular faith or denomination. It in no way, shape, manner or form was intended to keep religious faith out of the public square, or to have influence over our laws or to prevent worship of God on public grounds.
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
I am getting tired and must earn a living tomorrow, so I’ll close out my day. RBB, you cut and paste very well, but still you offer nothing based on facts, rather you cherry pick, obfuscate and are absent any original thinking.
This country is not a theocracy, nor would I want it to be! It is not a Christian nation, although it was built and it prospered as a nation founded upon Judeo-Christian principles. The framers of our Constitution and the Founders of this nation either directly or as second generation Americans mostly came here to escape religious persecution, they mostly had faith in God and allegiance to Christ. They were not at all hostile towards the Christian faith as you would prefer, in fact their mostly Christian faith made it possible for all people, of many faiths to worship their god as they chose, in the land of liberty, under the protection of Nature’s God, the sole Guarantor of our Libery.
Until 1948 this nation was at peace with God, the most powerful, prosperous, charitable and tolerant nation on earth. Christianity was at the heart of American life. Since 1962 and God being officially expelled from every aspect of American life, we have seen this nation fall morally and spiritually into the sewer, destroying the next generation through our immoral excess. The price of your hostility to Christ and the Church, I believe, will be the fall of this nation and that sooner than you might expect.
No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.
If he loved Jesus so much why didn’t he/they say so in our founding documents?
Pick one of the quotes and goolge it.
It’s hard to imagine as inconsequential a unanimously agreed upon treaty dated just 10 years after the adoption of our Constitution, that proclaimed in its 11 article: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
I know, kinda makes ya think, huh Neiman?
But you go ahead now and call our founders liars if you like. I’m sticking with the truth of what was unanimously voted on as true.
“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob
While we are on the topic of Christianity or Not, did y’ever notice the ones with the greatest contempt for religion are the very same ones who want to enjoy the very things religion says are wrong?
They’d like to see that bright-line distinction between right and wrong destroyed, to be replaced by a values-free if-it-feels-good-do-it let-it-all-hang-out society.
Some things don’t ever change.
In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
-- Judges 21:25
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