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Thursday, May 31, 2007

Henry Kissinger And The Lessons Of Vietnam Applied To Iraq

The left always wants to compare Iraq to Vietnam, because they see Vietnam as a loss for our military and a failure for our foreign policy.  But the two wars aren’t really comparable for a lot of reasons.  We are now fighting a different type of war in a different part of the world against a different type of enemy, and we’re having a lot more success with it than we did in Vietnam while suffering just a fraction of the casualties.

About the only similarities between the two wars seems to be the way the left, college-aged radicals during the Vietnam war now turned aging retirees, is trying to make us lose the war regardless of the consequences.  When the left forced us out of Vietnam prematurely the South Vietnamese were left vulnerable to the machinations of the communist North Vietnamese, and the bloodshed was horrible.  We face the same potential for slaughter in Iraq should the left force us out of this war and leave the Iraqi citizens vulnerable to the machinations of the various terror groups sponsored by nations like Iran and Syria.

Which is a point Henry Kissinger makes in an editorial in the L.A. Times:

Nixon correctly summed up the choices when he rejected the 1969 terms: “Shall we leave Vietnam in a way that — by our own actions — consciously turns the country over to the communists? Or shall we leave in a way that gives the South Vietnamese a reasonable choice to survive as a free people?” A comparable issue is posed by the pressure for unilateral withdrawal from Iraq.

Read the whole thing.

I think that opponents of the war in Iraq who want to withdraw our troops immediately, or even just before the Iraqi government and security forces are capable of taking over, should have to admit that their policy preference won’t “stop the violence” in Iraq as they so often want to claim.  It will spur more violence and bloodshed, and likely the fall of the representative government we placed up to be likely replaced by an extremist dictatorship or a puppet regime beholden to either Syria or Iran.

To be perfectly honest, the only way to “stop the violence” in Iraq is for the US military to stay the course and protect the Iraqi government until it can be set up.  Because the terrorists aren’t going to stop fighting when we leave.  That’s a cold, hard fact that nobody who opposes the war seems to want to ‘fess up to.

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Seriously.  I’m not old enough to remember ‘Nam, and don’t feel like reading this article right now, but what about Afghanistan? 

When the Russians left Afghanistan, so did we.  And who stepped in to fill the power vacuum?  The Taliban—islamofascist extremists.

When we leave Iraq—IF we leave a power vacuum behind—who exactly are we expecting to step in?  France?  China?

No… say it with me children… Al Quaeda. 

We can make a movie out of it all called “Iraq:  Return of the Taliban”


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Marty on May 31, 2007 at 06:12 pm
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Marty, al Qaeda isn’t the only worry.  What could happen is that if we abandon the Iraqi government they’ll turn to Shiite Iran for protection from Sunni Saudi Arabia and will become a puppet regime of the mad mullahs.

A fate equally as bad as Iraq becoming another pre-9/11 Afghanistan.


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Rob on May 31, 2007 at 06:15 pm

If we leave Iraq in defeat:
1. Hundreds of thousands if not a million or more Iraqi’s will die in a bloodbath between rival terrorist groups and religious sects in a few months.
2. We will lose all political and economic influence and presence in the Middle East, at least for several decades, if not a century or more.
3. Oil/Gas prices will soar into the stratosphere, busting our economy. This is especially true because the Democrats will raise taxes to help support their failing social programs no matter how high the gas prices go or the average American will have to suffer, further exacerbating our economic woes.
4. Al Queda and a host of other Islamic Terrorist organizations will have the wealth and geographic base to launch even nuclear strikes on the Western World, thus blackmailing us into submission. Oh yeah, what about our nuclear weapons? The Left doesn’t have the guts to use them, they will negotiate and appease us into oblivion.
5. Israel will be destroyed along with every Jew in the Middle East.

Other than these few little negative things, it will be okay if we cut-and-run.


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Neiman on May 31, 2007 at 06:27 pm
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The funny thing about the Kissinger piece (repeated today in the Washington Post—hey, why are the Post and the LA Times, bastions of liberal media, giving Kissinger a pulpit?) is that Kissinger is really just (again) defending his and Nixon’s decisions toward Viet Nam.

Iraq is more akin to the former Yugoslavia. A bunch of warring tribes held together by a totalitarian dictator. And what was the solution in Yugo? Let the tribes kill each other enough to vent some steam and then have the U.N. come in and help establish governance.  Sadly, I think that we really mucked up Iraq so bad and have put a lid on the steam for so long, that we can NEVER leave. Because whether we leave in 6 months, 6 years, or 6 decades, the simmering hatred stews and brews. When we leave, it will be a powder keg.

So, when do we leave? The longer we sit on the pressure cooker, the more of our troops get to die and be maimed. The sad truth is that it is best to leave now. Minimize any more American carnage and let the Iraqis kill each other. Let Iran and Saudi Arabia enter a war against each other. Throw Turkey into the mix because of the Kurd situation. Let that whole mess stew for a couple of years. Then, when enough steam has escaped and enough Iraqis and Arabs and Turks have tasted blood, let the U.N. go back in and partition Iraq into its Balkan pieces. Then everyone gets their piece of the pie and can hate each other in peace.

Kissinger is an irrelevant dinosaur. He has no solutions for Iraq—just defenses for Viet Nam.

Liberal Vet on June 11, 2007 at 06:47 pm

It is almost beyond comprehension that any sort of a veteran, even a liberal one, would profess any sort of faith in the United Nations, as you have here.  The UN is the most corrupt and incompetent organization ever conceived by man.

As for Dr. Kissinger, there is undoubtedly as much for those of you on the Left to disagree with him as for those of us on/in the Right.  But to dismiss a man of his intelligence and experience as an “irrelevant dinosaur” is exactly the sort of arrogant stupidity that explains why the American people don’t trust Democrats to competently handle our country’s foreign affairs and national defense policy.

What exactly are you a veteran of… animal control?


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Bat One on June 11, 2007 at 07:15 pm
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