Hennen Column: Why Do School Shootings Happen?

APTOPIX Connecticut School Shooting

Like many parents across America today, I could not resist the urge to hug my kids a bit longer after hearing the news of yet another school shooting. The unspeakable horror of a Christmastime massacre at a small town elementary school is provoking anger everywhere. And it should. It’s also prompted the predictable political agenda of the left: “Grab the Guns!”

The lowest form of politics is to seek to advance a cause or legislation within hours of human tragedy. President Barack Obama could not even wait a day to begin his post-election shift even further leftward:

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“As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago — these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. And we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.”

Politico reported that Obama is feeling the heat from Congress’s top gun control extremist Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), who warned the White House that the “gloves are coming off” if he doesn’t fight for stricter gun control. She too wasn’t afraid to dishonor the dead by seeking advantage for her cause:

“I agree, this is not the time to talk about (gun control)…It should have been talked about years ago when we started having these mass shootings. It should have been done when Gabby Giffords was shot.”

We could use a serious national conversation asking the simple question: Why? Why does this happen? From Fairmont, North Dakota to Red Lake Falls, Minnesota we have seen school shootings up close here in the Heartland too. It happens. In cities big and small.

I spoke with Dr. David Flowers (audio) of the fastest growing school district in North Dakota today. The West Fargo administrator was recently named the North Dakota Superintendent of the year. He once worked at a school that experienced a gang related shooting which prompted the installation of metal detectors. He said that “eventually the students and the community felt that they had given too much power to their fear over that…and given up too much freedom”. The metal detectors were removed. He added : “If someone is intent on bringing a weapon in (to a school)…they probably can figure a way around the metal detectors.”

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee has a strong opinion on why these shootings happen, telling Fox News:

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“We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools…Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?” “[W]e’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability — that we’re not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment. If we don’t believe that, then we don’t fear that.”

Of all the explanations, Huckabee’s view is the closet to the root cause in my view. It’s our culture. It’s spawned an epidemic of evil. No legislation, metal detectors or gun-bans will ever stop an individual bent on doing evil. A person who shoots his mother and 20 Kindergarten age children is evil.

Even more tragic than Friday’s school shooting is the fact that something very similar happens every week at Jane Bovard’s abortion facility in downtown Fargo. And that is an evil we could stop from the court sanctioned laws that legalized it. It’s the only hope we have to win a victory over evil. Take the outrage you felt today and multiply it weekly with the knowledge that kindergarten size class of innocent children are murdered very near where you live. Now, use the anger you feel to motivate you to take action. Before we are judged by our inaction.

Scott Hennen hosts a daily radio talk show from 11am to 2pm on AM 1100 “The Flag from Fargo, ND and WBKK AM 820 in Bemidji, Minn plus heard from 2 to 5pm on AM 1090 KTGO in Tioga/Williston, N.D. Listen at ScottHennen.com, join him on Facebook and Twitter too.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • dakotacyr

    Oh Yeah, we can’t do anything about gun violence in schools until we stop abortion. Right! this is nothing more than a lame attempt to shift the conversation away from the real issue of gun violence in our society.

    • Neiman

      If you cannot see that abortion, our national disgrace, has cheapened life and contributes to our nation seeing our children as disposable, then much the pity. If you cannot see that when we kick Nature’s God out of the Public Square, when we lose the idea of a future Judgment, a settling of accounts by Nature’s God, then I believe you have missed the truth of why such things happen. It is not guns or bullets, weapons are always available in various forms; no, it is hearts that have been relieved of a fear of God that produces such madness. When we sent God packing, children became sexual objects, the became more and more abused and their lives cheapened.

      You can take away the guns, but the evil in the hearts of men/women remain and they will still find ways to kill. It is those hearts that must be changed and it will not be accomplished by a police state and a denial of rights, it demands leadership and a return to to Nature’s God as our Judge.

      “We have staked the future of American civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” – James Madison

      “Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor.” – George Washington

      “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

      No, not a theocracy, no not enshrining the Christian faith and no others, but a real turning away from godless secularism and an acknowledgement that there is a Judge of all men and if that were to once again capture the hearts of the people, we will see such things end, but just taking away the guns only leaves guns in the hands of an oppressive police state, we will have sacrificed of our liberty and peace in the false name of safety.

      One last note: This horrible tragedy captures our attention, but please keep it in perspective, 99.9999% of all the schools were peaceful, safe and children were taught. Let us not overreact to the rare extreme events with policies that will deny us our liberty.

      • dakotacyr

        Oh, Ok, I’ll keep it in perspective, Neiman.

        Mass murders in this country just in the last few years:

        December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.

        September 27, 2012. Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself.

        August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.

        July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.

        May 29, 2012. Ian Stawicki opened fire on Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, WA, killing 5 and himself after a citywide manhunt.

        April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.

        April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.

        October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange County’s deadliest mass killing.

        September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.

        January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords’ staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.

        August 3, 2010. Omar S. Thornton, 34, gunned down Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT after getting caught stealing beer. Nine were killed, including Thornton, and two were injured.

        November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.

        April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.

        March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.

        February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.

        February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.

        December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.

        April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.

        But, I’ll not try to overreact. So you can have your definition of liberty, these people lost theirs. I get it now.

        • Neiman

          First, how many were schools victims of murder that day, which was my point about perspective.

          Second, you decide to totally ignore the point about the evil in the heart of men and having no fear of God, as you just want to take away everyone’s (“the people”) Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, as you also ignored my point about then having a police state.

          Murders will always happen, you cannot keep the guns from bad people, only good, law abiding people that would defend their own families. The police can then threaten the good people, while the bad people will not be hindered at all from their crimes.

          Why do you hate the Second Amendment? I know, instead of a dictator president or out of control liberal Congress or super legislative judiciary taking away our rights, how about doing what the Constitution tells us to do – go to the people to amend the Second Amendment? Why not? Because you know the people will not agree and so your only path is to allow dictatorial powers by one branch of government to subvert the Constitution.

        • Neiman

          Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee attributed the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in part to restrictions on school prayer and religious materials in the classroom.

          “We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools,” Huckabee said on Fox News,discussing the murder spree that took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, CT that morning. “Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?”

          Law enforcement has released few details on the alleged gunman, but
          Huckabee suggested that the separation of church and state may have spurred his rampage.

          “[W]e’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity,
          life, what responsibility means, accountability — that we’re not just
          going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment,” Huckabee said. “If we don’t believe that, then we don’t fear that.”

          He said those suffering from a crisis from faith should look to God
          in the community’s response to the violence. But he added that “Maybe we ought to let [God] in on the front end and we wouldn’t have to call himto show up when it’s all said and done at the back end.”

          • Aaron

            Huckabee wasn’t saying anything special, just more religious pandering and tragedy hijacking we’ve come to expect from that side of the aisle.

            Though I do find your opinion interesting. A belief in some higher power is necessary, though that higher power may not exist. We should lie to ourselves to protect ourselves from danger. Not sure I can agree with that.

            There are thousands of other religions capable of providing the high moral standards that you speak of, so why Christianity? Why not try something different, something effective? Or is this really another example of tragedy hijacking to achieve your own ends?

          • Neiman

            It is liberals that high jack tragedies for political ends.

            As I stated in my last reply to you this day, there is a direct correlation between liberals kicking God out of the public square and a host of evils, which I partially listed, which occurred immediately after than event. No one is asking you to lie to yourself, even though you are a fool not to know God exists; but, the evidence is simply overwhelming that these shootings and a host of evils that are epidemic in America, are a direct result of our failure to honor Natures God. That fear and honoring Him made us the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth, since we kicked Him out of America, we have been sliding into the sewer on all fronts.

            There is no evidence other than Judaism that any other religion offers any effective moral standards to restrain the evil impulses in man.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          More people still die from falling. It’s not the death that gets your panties in a wad, it’s the type of death. You are a control freak, that’s all.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          I should make a list like this of deadly car accidents.

          Let’s ban the automobile!

          • dakotacyr

            Really Rob, you want to make this comparison. Ok, fine. Let’s see, how many times when there are accidents, that more lights are put up, more stop signs are added. Cars are made safer, seat belts are required, bumpers are made stronger.

            So ok, let’s make the comparison to guns now, ok Rob?

          • $16179444

            car, like guns still require one simple element to work — people.

          • dakotacyr

            Wow! Ok, I’ll bite. When there are car accidents, many times more signs and lights are put it, cars have been made safer, bumpers stronger, seatbelts required. Roads are closed during snow storms to keep cars off the road. These are reasonable safety precautions. So why can’t we have reasonable safety precautions for guns with out banning cars or guns.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            This argument is weak. But go ahead, try to make a point.

            Its a false equivalence.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=74603543 Jordan W Green

            If you’re going to treat automobiles and guns the same way, why not be open to common sense gun regulations, such as requiring training, testing, and registration before owning a gun? A requirement to periodically prove that you are still in possession of gun registered in your name would also slow down the flow of legally possessed firearms into the wrong hands. None of this would prohibit you from owning firearms, but it would help keep them out of the hands of people that shouldn’t have them.

            Above all of this, improving access to mental health care needs to be a priority in the United States. The shooter obviously had mental issues, that if they weren’t ignored could have been addressed before he took the lives of innocent children, teachers, his own mother, and himself.

        • banjo kid

          So your idea is to disarm the populace knowing that if someone wanted to would break the law and get possession of a fire arm? What if we try and get facts posted that gun owners ship keeps this from going over the top . Crime has went down in every right to carry state, name one killing rampage where the guy had a license to carry .

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        So Old Pal, your made up god punishes innocent little children with bullets in the head because he doesn’t like something adults do?

        On your last “point”. You believe the price of liberty is 20 dead children and that’s no big deal?

        Your hands are bloody, Old Pal.

        • Neiman

          Why do you lie? It is all you have – lies.

          I never said God punished these children nor ever intimated such a thing and you know it, my reference solely was to the lack of a fear of God by the shooter (See Huckabee’s comments below). These shootings happened because of a lack of the fear of Judgment and that by our free will choice, wherein this man chose evil. You and your ilk kicked God out of our public affairs and when we do so by our free will, God will not override that free will choice, what we sow by such free will acts, we will surely reap. We have Obama by our free will choice, not God’s Perfect Will, only His Permissive will allowed us to choose him and in him evil.

          Your side believes the murder of over 50 million children is not too high a price for their liberty to “choose” (free will).

          You cannot prove any blood on my hands at all, I challenged you to do so and you ran away like a scalded dog.

          This is a serious discussion about yesterday and I have no intention of allowing your personal hatred and your evil mind to high jack this thread. Your lies are all you have and I am not in the mood to play your games.

          • Aaron

            Your argument is that because the shooter was not a Christian, he killed a bunch of children. You could also contend that he was not Buddhist, Jewish, nor Atheist. Why is lack of belief in one religion being chosen as the cause of the problem, when there are thousands of other religions he didn’t follow?

          • Neiman

            Because the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom and this nation from our founding, most people feared the Judgment of God and such things were incredibly rare, for most of our history non-existent. The turning point was 1962 when liberals on the Warren Court and then in Congress kicked God out of the Public Square. Immediately we had race riots, the drug culture exploded, the sexual revolution, assassinations, our first defeat in war, abortions shot up like a rocket, divorce rates soared and on and on I can list the increases of evil because there was no longer a fear of God and such mass killings are also a direct consequence of no longer honoring Nature’s God. To talk about other religions is a deliberate distraction.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          The price of liberty is the loss of freedom. Ban gun ownership and obama will be our first dictator…by his own choice.

      • banjo kid

        I disagree with one item: the killers will be able to still obtain guns.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      How about if you libs stop first. Begin with chastizing your hollywood types like Jamie Foxx when he chants the glory of killing white people. You are all hypocrits.

      • Old&InTheWay

        Now, you do realize that it was on a comedy show (SNL) and talking about his fictional movie, correct??? Did you also get this worked up when Dan would call Jane an”ignorant slut”? With everything we are facing as a nation, how can anybody even think this is an issue that needs to be discussed?

        • mickey_moussaoui

          Yes, its a fictional movie, no sh1t professor. Political correctness goes both ways (or it should). How about some white actor goes on SNL and jokes about killing blacks. Do you suppose they would get the “joke” you dope? It is EXACTLY an issue that should get discussed. If you haven’t noticed this country is more racially divided under obama than it has been for almost 50 years. Pull your head out of your butt and take a look around.

          • Old&InTheWay

            My heads still on top of my shoulder where it’s been in place for more than half a century…. You are definitely entitled to your opinions, as am I and everyone else…. But IF I was calling the national conversation triage, this piece of manufactured outrage/pop culture trivia wouldn’t even be in my top ten concerns this month…. When do you thinkwe as a nation can channel/divert our energies from saying anything to doing something????

          • mickey_moussaoui

            Pop culture is what this administration, the MSM and their supporters are all about. It’s what got him elected and re elected.

          • Old&InTheWay

            Again, you are certainly entitled to this opinion…. But yet it didn’t answer my previous question….

  • dakotacyr

    dishonor the Dead, you write? you did that very thing. If we can’t talk about it now when can we talk about it? We were told we couldn’t talk about it with Columbine, Aurora, Sikh Temple and Clackamas. This is simply code for we’re not ever going to talk about it.

    • Roy_Bean

      I’m sure it’s Obama’s desire to make every town as safe as Chicago.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I actually agree that the whole ” it’s too soon” thing I’d nonsense.

      But we do talk about it. Every time. And the gun control argument has lost.

      • dakotacyr

        no we don’t talk about it every time. The NRA threatens and leaders back down. We need to talk about gun safety. If this were your kids in school that got shot, you’d be whistling a different tune today and so would many on this blog. But because it happened in someone else’s school, movie theater, church, mall, then no big deal. nothing to see here, move along.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          “The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

        • leh

          The NRA threatens….what? They simply require the Constitution to be followed and adheared to. I am a life member and am proud of that! Try to think of how many millions of gun owners didn’t kill anyone today. This 20 year old had mice running round in his head, lied to get the gun and killed kids. How does that stand against the millions of gun owners that did not use their guns unlawfully? If one of the teachers were to be armed, this may not have happened! “Gun safety” is nothing but a pass word for gun control. I control my gun! I don’t need the govt to have more control. Look at what they have screwed up already. Of course, the majority of those screaming about removing guns have either (and most times both) armed guards or Concealed Gun Permits. Ever wonder about who has the CGP’s in chicago or dc?

  • sbark

    Do what Israel did when they faced the same problem in the 70’s—-the scum didnt target military installations, they targeted Israiles schools because they were unarmed.

    They trained and armed the teachers that would accept the training………

    • Bat One

      What a silly suggestion! Liberals don’t want ANYONE to be able to fight back. According to leftwing orthodoxy the only way to put a stop to the murder of innocents is to create even more innocents by disarming everyone who abides by the law. As already noted, the two US cities with the highest number of gun-related crimes, Chicago and Washington, DC, also happen to be the two cities with the most stringent gun control ordinances.

      • sbark

        Being Naive is a fault of mine.:)

    • mickey_moussaoui

      bingo sbark

  • chris

    There is no correlation between abortion and mass shootings for several reasons. Abortion has been legal for several decades, but the mass shootings are a recent phenomenon. However, many other things have happened that seem to directly coincide with the uptick in violence, like the worsening of social, political, and economic realities that make already insane people crack and go ballistic. I personally blame the ever increasing bitterness of political discourse, the growing disparity between the rich and poor, the constant stress and fear of economic meltdown, also terrorism for a while, etc. I find myself getting more stressed by all this and I consider myself to be pretty calm for the most part. Imagine how violent-prone people are handling it. In addition, American culture has a love for guns and immediate gratification, and most Americans are extremely egocentric. This is not a good combination at all.

    Another thing is that global statistics don’t support the abortion = gun violence argument. Countries in which abortion is legal do not suffer more mass shootings than where abortion is not legal. To the contrary, most countries where abortion is illegal are 3d world and are normally more violent.

    • Neiman

      First, little of this may apply here directly, as this young man suffered from Aspergers Syndrome and Autism, denying him a sense of reality and he was obsessed with violent video games, these and other factors seem to have led him to mass murder, although facts are still rolling in.

      Next, your stating the above is just your opinion, not objective fact. It is also true that each country has problems unique to them that can contribute to violence or diminish violence, It would demand intensive study to come close to proving your subjective assertions. This is especially true due to your atheism.

      Just because these mass murders have only erupted in recent decades, it takes time from the start of a change in social attitudes until full blown they appear on the surface. Abortion did without any doubt cheapen our attitudes about life, children became disposable objects, sexual objects and objects of individual abuse, which eventually had to manifest itself in mass murder. To exacerbate the problem, kicking God out of the Public Square removed for many people any fear of Judgment that otherwise might restrain their more violent impulses. Then, surely some of the social, political, economic factors you mention play a part in poisoning the culture; but, it can all, I believe, be traced back to 1962 with SCOTUS first deciding that God was persona non grata in our public affairs, without that restraining influence abortion on demand became the order of the day, killing children as a means of birth control and alongside it assisted suicide and active euthanasia raised their evil heads to further cheapen life.

      Surrounded by a nation that held the lives of children as disposable, and add the violent video games and movies to his life that make violence impersonal and even fun, the more blood and guts the better, all of these things together conspired to make this slaughter possible. But, IMO at its roots, was a national decision to kick God out of the public square and abortion on demand, the rest are just the details.

      • chris

        I haven’t seen information about the shooter yet, but if he did have mental problems and was oblivious to the issues that I mentioned, then he must have been obvious to the issues you also mentioned. He probably didn’t understand what abortion even meant. I’ll respond more when I get a chance, but for now I gotta run.

      • chris

        Most of what I stated on my first comment were not my opinions, but were verifiable facts. Abortion HAS been legal for several decades, and the uptick in mass murder IS a recent phenomenon, and many events HAVE happened that correlate more closely to the uptick in violence, and most countries that ban abortion ARE the more violent 3d-world countries. I don’t know about you, but given these facts, it sounds like the problem is a lot more complex than your simpleton answer.

        The biggest assumption here is where you blame all of society’s ills on abortion and banning school prayer. You can theorize that it cheapens our attitudes on life, but this theory has one major problem: abortion and sexual deviancy have existed in the US way before the 1960s. In fact I’d say that people were way more barbaric and sexually deviant before the 20th century. It was only recently that beating children and lynching black people and having sex with slaves and raping and massacring native Americans were considered bad. Abortion aside, our standards of decency have improved 100 fold, and our society as a whole is now way more civilized as compared to a century ago.

        There really is no one reason why our society seemed to have gone down the tubes as of late, but you can look into many things, including the societal damages from war (vietnam, Iraq, 911), the development and prevalence of ever-more dangerous designer drugs, worsening economic realities, etc.

    • waterjoe

      Hennen did not write that there was a correlation between abortion and mass shootings. You are trying to create an argument that does not exist.

      To those of us who oppose abortion, we could not care less if there is or is not a correlation. It is irrelevant.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Five of the Twelve Deadliest Gun Massacres in U.S. History Took Place During Obama’s First Term

    I guess there’s just something about Obama that brings out the “gun culture” in people.

    Of all places – GAWKER has the insight
    http://gawker.com/5968561/five-of-the-twelve-deadliest-gun-massacres-in-us-history-took-place-during-obamas-first-term/gallery/1?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

    hat tip BigFurHat

    • Matthew Hawkins

      yes, because the right wing is f’ing nuts

      • mickey_moussaoui

        Keep in mind that this person was mentally ill and the son of a school teacher. Both indicators that he was most likely Democrat

    • Aaron

      Yeah, bad luck I suppose.

  • banjo kid

    The children of today are taught that there is no right and wrong and a feel good menu has been served on them. It is not instituting a religion upon any one to have the Lord’s prayer said every morning, it puts the kids in a proper state of mind . The very reason we do not ever get to prosecute one of these evil killers is they kill them selves to get away from that, as they think that is the end . No hope is taught and fed to our children in public schools. If there is no hope then why should they care about moral values . You can melt down every one of the guns that are registered and this type of carnage will only increase, it may become a daily occurrence as the killers will get a gun or anything that can kill in their possession, and more so when they know every one is unprotected. The police will get to clean up the scene but will be unable to protect anyone. We must resist total gun control if we are to be able to defend ourselves from “the evil that lurks in the hearts of men” . (quoted from the Shadow) 1950’s

    • Aaron

      So why not just institute Buddhism into children’s daily lives? Forget about God and Jesus, and just focus on the value of life, the pursuit of the afterlife, and teach people to be moral and respectful? Surely, that would satisfy all of the problems?

      Oh, right. This isn’t about morals, life, or anything like that. It’s about indoctrinating as many people as possible in the name of your god. When you guys start getting serious, maybe people will take you seriously.

      • banjo kid

        It is not so much we indoctrinate people but we search according to the Word . Would it profit me if you became a saved person and accepted Christ as your personal savior ? The answer to that is no it would not here on this earth make me one thin dime. I seek not material wealth through declaring the simple plan of salvation I do it because I am commanded by my savior to do that to seek and to save that which is lost. What one does with that message is up to them they either reject it or they accept it. I am all for moral teaching and if you are satisfied with what you have then I can only present the plan of salvation to you and it is yours to accept or reject, but be careful you may make the wrong decision and you may not have another chance . who ever believes that Christ was born of a virgin and died and shed His blood to cover all sins past present and future and was raised the third day to be with the Father in heaven will not perish but have everlasting life. If you accept that call you still have command over your life , not me or any one else but you will answer to God. I care for your soul.

  • Davo

    The homicide rate in America was roughly 5 times higher in 1850 than it was today. God and abortion are not the problem.

    • Bat One

      But in 1850, only single shot firearms were readily available. If the murder rate has diminished as more rapid-fire weapons are introduced then we should put more lethal weapons in the hands of the citizens, not fewer.

    • sbark

      the wild wild west was being tamed

    • $16179444

      how one can weep for these children yet turn a blind eye to abortion is beyond me.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Take guns away from American citizens and only Mexican drug cartels armed by Eric Holder will have guns. We could always count on the government like they did in Benghazi

  • WOOF

    The gun control argument is settled for now.

    Gov’t/courts, from the local to the federal,
    have established
    the right to kill anyone with a weapon,
    anything that might be a weapon,

    anything mistaken for

    a weapon.
    Should be enough, for now.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    To answer the question of your headline:

    “they (schools) are all sites where the presence of firearms is strictly prohibited and enforced with zero tolerance. There is no one to shoot back and thus deter the shooter from his maddened mission. Think about it, most of these mass shootings end with the suicide of the killer after he has accomplished his goal. Few are ever killed by authorities or captured.”

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/good_guns_can_kill_bad_people.html#ixzz2F8oVHeCh

  • Matthew Hawkins

    I get it. The only good people are Christians.

    What a douchebag.

  • spud

    This is why his radio show has tanked abortion, abortion, abortion. Abortion is settled law after this election and Hillary’s coronation in four years.

    • Bat One

      Abortion is settled law …

      Really??? 155 years ago the same thing was being said about slavery (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZS.html),wasn’t it?

      • spud

        Yes it is. Roe vs Wade is here to stay forever. SC has never even come close to overturn it and it will obviously never will. It is settled. Dumb Ass.

        • Bat One

          I understand that there are still folks who think the earth is flat too. Can’t say whether any of them are called “Spud.” As Rob has noted, the medical science has changed, dramatically, since Roe v. Wade was decided. Even if you and the law, and the rest of the Left have yet to catch up.

          • Aaron

            Abortion is here to stay. The only questions left are the specifics, such as when can it be performed, who is eligible, and procedural issues. There’s no chance of it being banned, as that would be extremely dangerous.

    • waterjoe

      Spud apparently does not know much about abortion law or politics. Legally, it is hardly settled. Abortion jurisprudence today is very different than it was after Roe. Constitutionally, very little of Roe is left. Abortion jurisprudence is very much in flux.

      Politically, the matter is hardly settled. Public opinion is moving in the pro-life direction.

      Moreover, Hennen deserves credit for continuing to raise the issue. The bottom line is that abortion kills a human being. That is what is settled. What is not settled is whether it is acceptable to destroy a nascent human life under certain circumstances. If it is not, then abortion is the greatest human rights issue of our time. If it is, then the foundations of a just society are in jeopardy. Either way, the issue should be first and foremost.

  • Davo

    I’m not sure if keeping God in schools would prevent shootings like this. Lord knows He’s done a terrible job keeping molestation out of His churches.

  • sbark

    A culture of violence toward life and toward the dignity of every human eventually produces violence toward life, period. What else would you expect to happen?–JC Adams.

    What else could summarize up Liberalism and all its views than the above statement.

  • Mike

    I just can’t help but think something bigger than our human eyes can see is going on here. I can’t and won’t say this horrible, tear-producing tragedy is because God is mentioned or not. He has not left the Heavens. He is where He has always been. There is something going on beyond mere flesh and blood in a realm we humans can’t see. All we see are the effects, not the cause. God see both. I’m not God.

  • Guest

    I wonder if Adam Lanza was on or coming off any type of prescription psychotropic drugs? Considering that prescription psychiatric medications have been found in the systems of most of the dozens of school shooters and we have almost 50 million people in this country on prescription meds. With doctors handing these meds out like candy.
    Why after numerous warnings of possible dangerous side effects. There has been no federal investigation concerning this fact.
    Read the entire article,with the list and then decide if there is no possible connection. Good luck with that!
    http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/the-aurora-colorado-tragedy-another-senseless-shooting-another-psychotropic-drug/
    Could it be that blaming the guns are easier than blaming the people that are feeding this junk to our children.
    Yeah…I realize that there may be some people that need these drugs but 50 million?
    .

  • whowon

    Chicago is such a model for Obee. Chicago’s Democratic Mayor Rahm Emanuel bears some responsibility for the murder rate in the Windy City, which now totals 470 homicides this year, because of the strict gun-control laws there. http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/

  • Jeff Meyer

    IMHO, we need to quit glorifying these demented killers. Instead of plastering their face and life history all over the airwaves, internet and print media, we should refuse to identify them by name, and never show their picture. We also need to refer to them as “cowards and idiots”. I feel that many of these people are trying to outdo each other’s body counts, and thereby live in infamy as someone who accomplished something great. If their names were to be banned from the media, and they were ridiculed as someone who couldn’t ever amount to anything, they may have second thoughts.

  • Aaron

    I can tell immediately that this article is trash. You bash those that use a tragedy like this to advance their political agenda, yet you go on to say that Huckabee (who used the tragedy to advance his agenda) has the right idea about it. Are you literally that stupid?

    Also, shootings happen in churches as well. Are you also going to go on and say that there is no prayer or God in churches? Or are you going to simply write that off so that you can push your agenda? The 2 dozen innocent lives lost that day deserve better than that.

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