Heitkamp Says Democrat Convention Doesn’t Represent What She Believes, Endorses Lack Of Budget

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Chris Berg had liberal Senate candidate Heidi Heitkamp on his show this evening and asked her about the chaos at her party’s convention over their platform.  After the media picked up the fact that references to God and Jerusalem were removed from the platform, party leadership rammed them back into the platform shouting down loud shouts of protest from the floor.

Later party leaders, ridiculously, claimed that there was no dissent to the platform changes.  Which is ridiculous to anyone who saw the video.

When asked about the disaster, Heitkamp (who skipped her party’s convention and has lately taken to referring to herself as an “independent”) said “it wasn’t anything I was proud of.”  She then tried to shift the issue to the Ryan budget, but Berg persisted and Heitkamp claimed she “hadn’t read” her party’s platform and doesn’t really care what’s in it.

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A political party’s platform is a statement of what that party believes in. Really, it’s a statement about why the party exists. Political parties were created, and are maintained, to elect certain political leaders who adhere to a certain set of ideas and principles which is represented by the platform.

What Heitkamp is telling us is that she doesn’t care what her party stands for. Because we’re supposed to believe she’s an independent and stuff. Something that’s hard to believe given that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and his Super PAC aren’t spending millions of dollars on Heitkamp’s race so that she’ll go to Washington DC and be an “independent.”

If Heitkamp wants to be an independent so bad, if she cares so little for her party’s platform, then why doesn’t she leave her party and actually run as a, you know, independent?

The answer, of course, is because Heitkamp isn’t an independent. She’s a liberal Democrat pretending to be an independent to get elected.

Between Heitkamp’s Sarah Palin impression at the debate earlier this week, and the way she’s been running away from her party, this “independent” stuff has got to be wearing a little thin with voters.

By the way, Heitkamp’s contortions to put distance between herself and the party she’s a member of (not to mention the President and the Senate Majority Leader she’s already said she’d vote for) wasn’t the worst part of that interview. The worst part of that interview was when, after she started carping about the Ryan budget, Berg pointed out that Democrats haven’t put in place a budget at all in years.

Heitkamp suggested that not passing a budget at all was better than passing the Ryan budget. And this coming from someone who says she’s going to Washington DC to end partisanship.

Amazing.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • POTUS_GTFO

    I had the pleasure of watching this as it happened. She was not ready for this type of “Ben Swan” interview. I do feel kind of bad for her even though I detest her normally. She really went down in flames.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Hey, Berg was asking the tough questions. It’s not his fault her less-than-honest answers are sort of transparent.

  • Roy_Bean

    I wonder what she thinks the minimum wage is for those 12.5 million people who are unemployed?

  • LDN

    at least she didn’t come out of the gate flinging mud like berg did. i don’t care what a politicians opponent did, tell me what you’ve really done and/or are going to do. and from what i’ve seen, she’s not claiming to be AN independent but just independent. meaning she won’t just do what her party wants, she’s an independent person and will do what is right. but of course rob port will always twist and spin things in a bad way when they aren’t conservative. americans need to stop seeing party lines and start seeing individuals. we will have a much more efficient government if everyone could do this.

    • LDN

      rick berg, not chris.

    • sbark

      quote…….. but just independent. meaning she won’t just do what her party wants, she’s an independent person and will do what is right……………
      ————and where do the vast majority of her campaign contributions come from?………….East coast liberals and the DNC of course
      ——but of course she is a independent person, just with monetary ties to the radical left element of her party right?
      ……….She could at least wear a plaid farmers work shirt and stand in a wheat feild like Conrad, Dorgan and Pommeroy all did for decades to “prove” she’s a blue dog Dem’cat…….
      Say hey—-whatever happened to the bunch of blue dog dem’cats that acted so tough after the 2006 elections——-Pelosi pretty much had them neutered huh, but you think Heidi will stand up …..LOL

      • $8194357

        spayed and neutered you sexist…
        hee…hee….

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      “at least she didn’t come out of the gate flinging mud like berg did.”

      Apparently you haven’t seen Heitkamp’s “Attacks on Women” web ads featuring a picture of Rick Berg.

      • LDN

        yes, she eventually started attack ads, but several months ago, all the ads she did were merely defending herself and explaining what she wants to do in DC. and sbark, every politician takes contributions where ever they can get them; heitkamp, berg, romney, obama, dorgan, conrad, pommeroy. they all do it

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Baloney, the “Attacks on Women” ads have been running on this site and others almost since the beginning of her campaign.

  • Camburn

    Heidi is independant. She is not afraid of sharing her views. Rep Berg seems to be a clone voter. Whatever someone tells him, that is how he is going to vote.
    As far as Ryan’s supposed budget. Who in their right mind would support that? It projects another 10 TRILLION increase in debt.
    Have folks who call themselves conservatives lost their minds? Or are they closet liberals? I mean……..come now……..who in their right mind would support ANOTHER 10 trillion increase in debt and call it a good thing???????

    • NDSiouxFan

      Please reread the original post. Heidi is trying to appear independent, but if she beats Berg she will go to DC and propmtly vote for Harry Reid. As Rob said, Harry Ried is not investing millions of dollars in getting Heidi elected just to have her go to DC and vote against him. Get real. Harry Ried will give the EPA free reign to shut down fracking and run roughshod over small business, farmers and the oil industry. Unemployment will go up, and our debt will continue to increase. Keep in mind 2 important facts:
      1. The US is broke and getting broker every second.
      2. The Ryan budget is a proposal to fix #1. What have the Dems proposed?
      Oh, yea. The Dems have proposed increasing taxes. If taxes increase, more money will be sucked out of the econonmy, and the deficit WILL NOT go down. They cannot tax us enough to pay for all of the spending that is going on. Heidi has no plan to solve this problem. Berg does. I support Berg because I feel he will do something about our financial and economic problems. Heidi will not be able to do anything, because Reid is such a weakling.

    • toomuchguvmint

      Heidi’s past close association with radical extreme liberal groups proves she is in no way independent. . . Anyone who chooses to affiliate with the democratic party is not independent, if they were they would be running as an independent. Berg has his faults, but Heidi offers nothing but pretend conservatism in a ploy to dupe unsuspecting naive voters.

      • $8194357

        10X
        Learned it from the three stooge blue dogs “sarc”
        that ND sent to DC for so long..

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Heidi is independant. She is not afraid of sharing her views.

      Right. That’s why Democrats were filing lawsuits to get that video of her talking bout how awesome Obama is taken off the internet.

      Because she’s not afraid to share her views.

      That’s probably also why she tried to say that she was always against Obamacare when, clearly, she wasn’t.

      • $8194357

        Telling white lies about the brown president?
        Wouldn’t that be considered, “racist” ?
        Wheres the out rage..
        Wheres the little island troll surfer boy?

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    A political party’s platform is a statement of what that party believes in. Really, it’s a statement about why the party exists. Political parties were created, and are maintained, to elect certain political leaders who adhere to a certain set of ideas and principles which is represented by the platform.

    Priebus: GOP platform ‘not the platform of Mitt Romney’

    …”I think as far as the details of some of these things, like an exception for rape or life of the mother, these are not uncommon differences that candidates have and don’t share some of the detail on some of those exceptions,” Priebus said on MSNBC. “This is the platform of the Republican Party; it’s not the platform of Mitt Romney.”

    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/21/13395825-priebus-gop-platform-not-the-platform-of-mitt-romney?lite

    What Heitkamp Priebus is telling us is that she Willard doesn’t care what her his party stands for.

    • $8194357

      spin spin spin
      Look squirrels…..

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        Gun Nut, do your gop nominees embrace the gop platform?

        • $8194357

          They don’t run from it like the leftist pretending
          to be moderates dip wad..
          By the way boob…
          They’re not “my” GOP canidates….
          Ever with the assumtions and ownwership asignments, huh boob..

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Gun Nut, will you be voting for the gop candidates?

          • two_amber_lamps

            RBB… chose between the following descriptors for yourself, you already know the question.

            Are you an anti-gay marriage BIGOT or Obama’s useful idiot?

          • $8194357

            Boob?
            Will you be voting for the anti American
            communist Democrats again?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            No, Gun Nut. I’ll be voting to re-elect the pro-American President Barack Obama.

            If you don’t know if you’ll be voting for the gop ticket, just say so.

          • $8194357

            So you vote for the commie/muslim and I will negate your vote.
            Of course Moter Voter/ACORN will have
            tens of thousands of zombies
            at the poles I won’t be able to counter so good luck with your Democratic, God hateing,sharia endorsing,transgender,transexual,baby killing agendas boob…

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            So you vote for the anti American off shore tax sheltering flip flopping health care mandating cult bishop and I will negate your vote.

          • robert108

            You calling Romney “anti-American” is just too funny, propagandist.

          • $8194357

            since you brought it up boob; speaking of
            “off shore” investments boob…
            How ya suppose Billary are doing with Soros’s chi-com
            hedge funds these days?
            Barry gave em off shore Petro Brazil on the taxpayer
            dime to supply their investments energy needs over there.
            Look squirrel..
            communist leftist asshat apoligist.

          • $8194357

            Yeah I know you will always support the commie…

          • robert108

            Pro-South American(Venezuela, maybe).

          • hanni

            obama is as pro American as is Ahmadinjhad. And that’s barack HUSSEIN obama, the Muslim Marxist who’s fulfilling all the hopes and dreams of his mentors.

          • LDN

            yes because there was only one other hussein in the entire history of the world, crackpot. and ones middle name does not dictate his action or beliefs.

          • hanni

            His actions reveal his beliefs.

          • LDN

            maybe, but his middle name, which you make a big point of pointing out, does not. you racist POS

          • hanni

            I couldn’t care less what color the Muslim Marxist is. Only a true racist as yourself would accuse someone of being racist when there was no racism implied.or demonstrated. Besides, the Muslim Marxist is half white, you fucking moron.

          • $8194357

            Don’t like Barry or team Billary for the same reason…
            Alinsky marxists and Soros puppets.
            Chocolate or vanilla?
            Doesn’t matter…
            Can’t stand anti American ideological internationalist progressive sell the country to the highest bidder traitors..

          • LDN

            so, what? it’s only half racist? racism isn’t only skin color, one could be racist of a different religious or ethnic background. and hanni, watch your language, your mother might not make out with you tonight with that mouth.

          • $8194357

            Don’t like Barry or team Billary for the same reason…
            Alinsky marxists and Soros puppets.
            Chocolate or vanilla?
            Doesn’t matter…
            Can’t stand anti American ideological internationalist progressive sell the country to the highest bidder traitors..

          • robert108

            Racism is about race, not religion of ethnic background. Again, a real dictionary would really help you out here.

          • robert108

            Using obama’s full name isn’t “racist”. You’re lying again.
            His mother gave him that name, so do you regard her as a “racist”?

          • LDN

            no the fact that you dislike/hate him based on the origins of his name, that is racist.

          • robert108

            I dislike him because he wants to ruin my country with his totalitarian collectivist policies, so you lie again. It’s still not “racist” to dislike the origins of someone’s name, although you do, because you want separation of Church and State, and obama has religious names. According to you, he should not be our President with those names.
            You should educate yourself by looking up the definition of “racist” in a real dictionary.

          • LDN

            typical that you want to twist everything to your own skewed view.

          • robert108

            Wrong again, liar. You want to twist Jefferson’s words to attack Christianity, but you give Barack Hussein Obama a pass.
            Your skewed view is that murderous islam is OK, but peaceful, loving Christianity must be stamped out.

          • LDN

            you haven’t got a clue bob. you know nothing of islam and christianity has taken more lives than any other religion. only al-qaeda follows the murderous views, the majority of muslims don’t follow that sect. and the old testament is part of jewish, christian and muslim faith. hell muslims even believe that jesus was a profit, just not the messiah.

          • $8194357

            Muslims are tasked by the koran to kill
            Jew
            Christians
            and
            Infidels like you.

          • LDN

            give a link not your flapping fingers. how do i know this isn’t just from some anti-muslim website or your deranged mind. i mean i keep telling you people, give an actual source but no one does. seems suspect…

          • robert108

            The muslims conquered the ME with what they called “conversion by the sword”. in other words, just like the Bolsheviks, they murdered their way to power. Most educated people know that, along with the Koranic command to “kill all the infidels”.

          • robert108

            Again, all you have is lies based on your ignorant talking points.
            The Old Testament is not a part of islam, so you are again, ignorant and misinformed.

          • $8194357

            another big 10X

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I don’t see what Mitt Romney has to do with Heidi Heitkamp.

      Heitkamp has now said she doesn’t care what her party stands for, and she doesn’t style herself a Democrat, so why is she running as a Democrat?

      The answer is that she is, in fact, a liberal Democrat and just pretends to be an independent to get elected.

      • robert108

        Your favorite author cares nothing for the truth or relevancy; he just will do or say anything to smear Republicans, especially Mitt Romney. He’s just following the DNC strategy of demonizing Mitt.

    • robert108

      Lying and cherry-picking, as always.

  • $8194357

    Democrats…
    The party of government is god and death…
    But in the name of “for the working class” of course…
    Karls luving these folks from the grave, huh..

  • Neiman

    If she repudiates her party’s platform and in office votes with the party on those issues, then which is the lie, is she lying now or will she be lying then.

    We do know platform or not, as an absolute fact the Democrat Party is without any shadow of a doubt the godless, in fact God hating party, the antiSemite Party, the baby killing and the Homosexual Party, is she repudiating ALL of that too?

    If she does repudiate it all, maybe like like the Governor of New Mexico, she’ll have a “damn, I am a Republican” moment soon.

    • LDN

      this is government, god has no place in the government. straight from our founding fathers in the US Constitution, “separation of church and state”. if obama were a muslim, it doesn’t matter. if romney is a mormon, it doesn’t matter. i’d rather see an atheist in DC than a self-righteous christian anyday of the week. at leat they will use their brain and heart to make a decision, not their bible. ya know, the way this country was meant to be run.

      • robert108

        There is no “separation of Church and State” in the Constitution. That phrase was coined in 1948 by a Chief Justice who was a member of the KKK, and it was designed to get at Catholics, who the KKK also hates.

        • LDN

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States#The_US_Constitution perhaps you need a refresher course in the history of your own country, sir. first quoted by Thomas Jefferson(founding father), that is quite a time before 1948.

          • robert108

            Still not in the Constitution, so you lied about that. Jefferson was also speculating about the matter, which is a free speech issue, not a policy issue. Free speech IS in the Constitution.
            Jefferson’s “wall of separation” was to protect the Church from govt interference, not to remove God from our Founding Principles or from society or the law, so you lie again.
            The term was coined, as I said, by Chief Justice Hugo Black, a KKK member, in 1947(not 1948) in a case decided against Catholicism, which the KKK also wanted to drive from the United States, along with Republicans.
            It is you who need a refresher course, not only in history, but also in truthfulness.

          • LDN

            i lied again, guess i’m just another right wing radical nut case. :D

          • robert108

            Left wing radical nut case who wants to undermine our Founding Principles, one at a time.

          • LDN

            i’m as left as you are open minded to others differing opinions.

          • $8194357

            Being open minded is something completly different than being indoctrinated or stupid as you on the left seem to be.
            FORWARD to your own demise apoligist useful idiot lemming.

          • LDN

            using big words, the tool of the simple minded.

          • $8194357

            This country boy understands a few of those big words too, dip wad..
            A liberal is some one who read marxist ideology..
            A conservitive someone who both read it and understood it…

          • LDN

            so then what about a person who is not liberal or conservative? stop labeling every person you come across.

          • $8194357

            Oh boo hoo to you too.
            Labeling sheesh.
            Like cut with the sterotypes, huh…
            So PC untill ya point right and scream your indoctrinated
            ideological blind B/S..

          • LDN

            you keep using “indoctrinated” and “ideological” in every single response you give. you must be quite the nerdy little moron sitting around on a dictionary waiting to spank it again. get a woman. wait, would any woman be dumb enough to come near you?

          • robert108

            When smacked with the truth, the mindless liberal resorts to lying smear personal attack.

          • LDN

            yes i’ve already had several personal attacks on here. sooo, guess you all should look in the mirror.

          • robert108

            Wrong. Refuting your ideas isn’t “attack”, it’s debate. Attack is when you try to use some personal aspect of the person, rather than addressing the ideas. Again, a real dictionary would help you.

          • LDN

            wrong. calling names would be considered an attack. i have also been guilty of of course mine were counter attacks.

          • robert108

            You are the namecaller here; we have smacked your lies with the truth.

          • $8194357

            (of course mine were counter attacks)
            Ever with the leftist marxist social justice victim mentality…
            Now look what ya made me do…rob that liquor store….
            Sell that crack and
            say I’m going to sexually assault your momma.
            Sheesh you leftists don’t ever want to take individual
            responsibilty for your own actions or short commings, huh.

          • $8194357

            boo hoo hoo..
            come spout your leftist crap and cry
            when someone dis agrees with ya…

          • $8194357

            Always…..

          • $8194357

            Just call me grandpa kid…
            Quite the “assumption” tho.

          • $8194357

            Next time ya come back?
            Try some factual points of view.
            The history of Political Correctness “non revisionist”.
            THE MARXIST SOCIAL JUSTICE FALSE MORALITY

            http://kitmantv.blogspot.com/2009/07/history-of-political-correctness.html

            Quote:

            Good and thourough Documentary on the origin of political correctness. As it turns out it is a revision of the marxist concept of false consciousness and has very real similarities with policies made by the communists in the eastern bloc in order to silence dissent.
            The western variant originated in the “critical theory” of the Frankfurt School. Refusing to take any responsibility for their own beliefsystem and present their agenda in a direct and comprehensible manner,they found themselves content with igniting the conflicts within capitalist societies in order to weaken them. Promoting hedonism and making enemies of every thinkable grouping within the free world, they kept authorities comfortably busy on the homefront. Blacks and whites, husbands and wives, young and old, gay and straight etc. If gay-marriages were to become a majority preference one day, they would surely fight for the rights of the minority-group of individuals who want to marry their pets and criticise homosexuals for discriminating against people with a more polymorpheus sexuality than themselves.

            In essence many of the moronic professors now presiding over all the big social “studies” departments at american and european universities are the wounded victims of this aspect of the cold war. Getting a helping hand by the active measures of the soviet union because they had a weakened sense of truth, unable to resist the careful attack on academia, led by the cultural marxists, disappointed by the revolutionary potential of the western working class

            End quote

            A cultural cold war attack on American society..

          • LDN

            i can see you want everyone here to think you a bright, but reusing a couple big words over and over again isn’t going to do that.

          • $8194357

            If you say so.
            It must be gospel.

          • robert108

            Your ideas reveal what you are.

          • $8194357

            Yup..
            Isn’t modern education wonderful.

          • robert108

            Not really, but fact-free personal attack is the tool of the mindless liberal, who just parrots left wing talking points.

          • LDN

            again, assuming i am liberal because i don’t agree with you. i’ve voted for plenty of republicans and democrats both conservative and liberal. i vote for the better choice, if there is one, not just because they are republicans, democrats, conservative or liberal.

          • robert108

            You don’t know anything about me, so you lie again. Opinions are nothing without the truth.

      • Neiman

        As Robert said, there is NO separation of Church and State in the Constitution, sorry for your gross ignorance of our founding documents.

        Self righteous Christian would not be good, but that is in the eye of the beholder isn’t it?

        Sorry again, but all of our founding fathers, including Deist Jefferson, believed our liberty and our rights were dependent upon God and they promoted the Bible in all our schools.

        Sorry that on every point you were absolutely wrong.

        • LDN

          well, i know i’m right on 2 things, christianity and all the other major religions are a crock and even if they weren’t, 95% of the commenters on here would be going to hell anyway for their anti-love thy neighbor views.

          • Neiman

            For those that do not believe, no explanation is possible.

            If salvation depended at all on our self efforts, no one would gain Heaven. Fortunately, salvation is a gift of God and Jesus came to save sinners – not saints.

            Lastly, tough love, exposing sin and pointing people towards salvation, by those refusing to admit their own sins and refusing to bow down to God, it does not appear like love; and yet, leading people to hell rather than risk offending them is defined wrongly as love. But, as I said, thank God salvation is a gift and we don’t have to meet your standards of works to qualify.

            Have a great day.

          • LDN

            but only for christians, right? salvation is just given and one does not have to make an effort to improve themselves? that’s a joke, you think you get to heaven by going to church every sunday? it would be how one conducts themselves in their life, every day.

          • robert108

            Thanks for displaying your ignorance of Christianity, and demonstrating that you have no credibility on the subject.

          • Neiman

            You know nothing about the world’s religions and even less about Christianity. Salvation is a gift, one cannot earn it or by works keep it, leave the rest alone, I don’t think I want to waste my time educating you.

          • $8194357

            Public education is turning out millions of
            these know it all know nothings…
            Barry? One man…
            Folks who buy his communist class envy
            divide and conqure B/S
            Millions of em..

          • robert108

            Here’s some truth for you: both “Barack” and “Hussein” are muslim names, and they are popular because they were originally religious characters in the islamic story, so if you really want “separation” of Church and State, you should want obama to resign or change his name, because every time you say it, you are crediting the muslim religion. You really don’t know that? Practice what you preach.

          • LDN

            and then no one named matthew mark luke or john? no one named ruth, samuel, joshua, ezra, jeramiah, joel, timothy or peter?

          • LDN

            no mary, joseph, adam, benjamin, daniel, david, elijah, aaron, nathaniel, abraham, caleb, hannah, isaac, isaiah, jeremy, jonathon, job, the list goes on and on. in fact about 2600 more names from the bible, meaning no one but hippies would be able to run for office with names like rainbow and sunshine.

          • robert108

            You’re desperately trying to distract from answering my question, which is about YOUR beliefs, not mine. You want separation of Church and State, so why don’t you go after Barack Hussein Obama?
            BTW, George was not on your list, nor was Ronald, Richard or Dwight. Mitt, either.

          • LDN

            i’ll go after anyone who creates legislation based solely on their religious beliefs.how many laws has obama passed that are based on his religious views? i see a lot of whining from right wingers about his regulations to protect the environment and the affordable healthcare act. has there been legislation to make women wear burkas? nope. how about legislation to make women second class citizens? nope. legislation to “kill the infidels”? nope. so why would i indefinitely have to “go after” him? dwights middle name was david, but i don’t see why their names not being on the list has anything to do one way or another. i also notice that they are all republican president names, which i will take to mean you want/need to classify me and have decided to make me liberal/democrat. if i decide to vote at any given election, i vote for the one that does fling sh*t at their opponent. i vote for the one that isn’t twisting things to make their opponent look bad. i vote for who going to do what is best for ND and this sh*thole of a country. not who is going to give me a tax break or fulfill my greed.

          • $8194357

            Excecutive orders?
            55 of of them…Concerning Biblicle,Christian, or Islam..
            Posted em a while back …Search for em…

          • LDN

            just because an EO affects a religion or faith based organization does not mean that his religious views are being pushed on others. and EO’s that affect a country where the majority of the population is of one faith also does not mean that the religion has anything to do with it.

          • robert108

            So, you’re only for “separation of Church and State” when it conforms to your left wing ideology? Sounds hypocritical enough for you.

          • LDN

            again typical that you twist others words so you can criticize.

          • $8194357

            Learned it from leftist blog cloggers like yourself.

          • LDN

            it wouldn’t be clogged if you’d stop replying. you robert and neiman have contributed plenty to it as well. is it my fault you can’t let it go? ;)

          • $8194357

            When us old timers are all gone
            you will find your false earthly utopia
            to be the Illuminst lie from hell it is.

          • robert108

            “Blame others for what you do.” – Karl Marx

          • $8194357

            It is what it is robert.

          • $8194357

            What has Barry really accomplished in just under four years?
            These facts most likley won’t come up tonight during his “speech”
            (pack of lies) he will be spouting tonight..
            Quote:
            America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President
            David Barton – 02/29/2012
            When one observes President Obama’s unwillingness to accommodate America’s four-century long religious conscience protection through his attempts to require Catholics to go against their own doctrines and beliefs, one is tempted to say that he is anti-Catholic. But that characterization would not be correct. Although he has recently singled out Catholics, he has equally targeted traditional Protestant beliefs over the past four years. So since he has attacked Catholics and Protestants, one is tempted to say that he is anti-Christian. But that, too, would be inaccurate. He has been equally disrespectful in his appalling treatment of religious Jews in general and Israel in particular. So perhaps the most accurate description of his antipathy toward Catholics, Protestants, religious Jews, and the Jewish nation would be to characterize him as anti-Biblical. And then when his hostility toward Biblical people of faith is contrasted with his preferential treatment of Muslims and Muslim nations, it further strengthens the accuracy of the anti-Biblical descriptor. In fact, there have been numerous clearly documented times when his pro-Islam positions have been the cause of his anti-Biblical actions.
            Listed below in chronological order are
            (1) numerous records of his attacks on Biblical persons or organizations;
            (2) examples of the hostility toward Biblical faith that have become evident in the past three years in the Obama-led military;
            (3) a listing of his open attacks on Biblical values; and finally
            (4) a listing of numerous incidents of his preferential deference for Islam’s activities and positions, including letting his Islamic advisors guide and influence his hostility toward people of Biblical faith.
            1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:
            1. April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren’t like them.” 1
            2. February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. 2
            3. April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name be covered when he is making his speech. 3
            4. May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. 4
            5. April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. 5
            6. October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. 6
            7. November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law. 7
            8. January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. 8
            9. February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. 9
            10. April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. 10
            11. August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. 11
            12. November 2011 – Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. 12
            13. November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. 13
            14. December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries’ religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. 14
            15. January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. 15
            16. February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. 16
            2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:
            1. June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery. 17
            2. August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except America). 18
            3. September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains. 19
            4. September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.” 20
            5. November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity. 21
            6. November 2011 – The Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans. 22
            7. February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian. 23
            8. February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei). 24
            9. February 2012 – The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read. 25
            10. April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them.26
            11. May 2012 – The Obama administration opposes legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs.27
            12. June 2012 – Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles.28
            3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:
            1. January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. 29
            2. January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional. 30
            3. March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. 31
            4. March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research. 32
            5. March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations. 33
            6. May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. 34 He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets. 35
            7. May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities. 36
            8. July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. 37
            9. September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.” 38
            10. July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion. 39
            11. August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs. 40
            12. September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. 41
            13. February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. 42
            14. March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls. 43
            15. July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778. 44
            16. September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. 45
            17. October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion. 46
            4. Acts of preferentialism for Islam:
            1. May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan. 47
            2. April 2010 – Christian leader Franklin Graham is disinvited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community. 48
            3. April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc. 49
            4. August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. 50
            5. August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location. 51
            6. 2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha.52
            7. October 2011 – Obama’s Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians’ access to the White House. 53
            8. February 2012 – The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, 54 but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do. 55
            Many of these actions are literally unprecedented – this is the first time they have happened in four centuries of American history. The hostility of President Obama toward Biblical faith and values is without equal from any previous American president.

          • LDN

            everything here is merely from a certain point of view. you, a person of biblical faith, dislike/hate him because he prefers muslims. isn’t he entitled to like what ever person/people he wishes to like. after seeing the republican/christian hatred of him from before he was even president, i prefer muslims too. hell anyone who isn’t you f-tards. racist self entitled jerks like yourselves in our military, who are supposed to be the good guys, are degrading, belittling and torturing prisoners/detainees for being muslim. showing exactly what this country has become, prideful, greedy, hateful and scared. vote however you like but don’t do it because of your fearful racism, do it because you feel he/she would be a good official.

          • $8194357

            dissin the military as well as Constitutional republicanism for soviet social justice indoctrinated false moral high ground…
            Hook line and sinker ..
            You swallowed just like the leftist critical therory cultural terrorists said you would.
            In their own words…The “Biblical” morals of America must be replaced to destroy them…

          • LDN

            not all americans are christian, there are hindis, buddists, muslims and jew. they deserve to be represented as well. but self-righteous christians refuse to allow their beliefs in policy. btw i have friends who are soldiers and officers and they were disgusted as well by the actions of those self-righteous d-bags.

          • robert108

            “Hindi” is a language, o ignorant one.

          • robert108

            Thanks for admitting you can’t tell the truth from a lie.

          • robert108

            Again, you try to distract with a blizzard of irrelevant babble. Why aren’t you going after Barack Hussein Obama for violating your trigger issue of separation of Church and State? Try answering honestly this time.

          • LDN

            again, no one has shown me any violations of the separation. don’t just tell me there are 55 of them and expect an answer.

          • robert108

            Obama’s name is a violation, in your terms.

          • $8194357

            (i’ll go after anyone who creates legislation based solely on their religious beliefs)
            And do what?
            Threaten to have sex with their dead mothers?
            Pee on the graves of their dearly departed?
            Smoke some more of that crap huh…

          • robert108

            Again, you shuffle and dance when caught lying. Your original position was your claim that “separation of Church and State” was in our Constitution, and you got smacked with the truth.
            Now, you’re changing your tune when you got smacked with the truth that Barack Hussein Obama has a name which venerates islamic religious figures, so you shuffle and dance to get out of it.
            Pure hypocrisy and dishonesty. You’re just arguing to argue.
            Without a standard level of taxation, there is no such thing as a “tax break”, unless you believe all our money belongs to the govt, which is an extreme left wing position. Caught again.

          • $8194357

            Every leftist lemming would be called Thomas tho huh…

          • LDN

            again, not not left wing and not right, i can make up my own mind thank you.

          • robert108

            Why haven’t you, then? Conservatives aren’t “right wing”; again, you need a real dictionary.

          • LDN

            making up ones mind is not only choosing a side, one may choose his own side. why do you feel that all others need to be put into a classification of conservative or liberal? i have made up my mind and it’s neither conservative nor liberal. i know who i like and that is that. quit asking questions you already have gotten an answer to.

          • robert108

            You support obama, who is a radical left winger, which makes you left wing yourself. You hate Christians and Christianity, which is the mission of the Democrat Party, which sold out to Marxism generations ago.

          • $8194357

            10X

          • LDN

            left-wing = the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system.
            right-wing = the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system.

          • LDN

            Originated in the National Assembly in France (1789-91), where the nobles sat to the president’s right and the commons to the left

          • robert108

            Wrong. Left wing=anarchy, right wing=monarchy.
            American conservatives are true moderates, supporting individual choice and freedom, along with Constitutional law.

          • LDN

            oh well, obama will win and so will heitkamp and you losers can cry until you see your false god come for you. hopefully sooner than later.

          • $8194357

            A fool says in his heart there is no God..
            Democrats DNC showed us where “most” of ya are huh.

          • robert108

            You lie again; you are a radical leftwing extremist.

          • Neiman

            Qur’an:9:88 The Messenger
            and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and
            lives in Allah’s Cause.”

            Qur’an:9:5″Fight and
            kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take

            Ishaq:325″Muslims,
            fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey
            him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”

            Qur’an:8:39″Fight
            them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

            Qur’an:8:39″So fight
            them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to
            the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

            Ishaq:324″He said,
            ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for
            Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'”

            Qur’an:9:14″Fight them
            and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with
            shame. He will help you over them.”

            Ishaq:300″I am
            fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do
            not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”

            Ishaq:587″Our
            onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we
            live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will
            fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient
            holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have
            driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will
            fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must
            suffer disgrace.”

            Qur’an:8:65″O
            Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with
            determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they
            will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of
            understanding.”

            Ishaq:326″Prophet
            exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will
            defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good
            intentions nor for truth.”

            http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Deuteronomy 17:12

            12 Anyone who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the Lord your God is to be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel.

            Deuteronomy 13
            [a]If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
            6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers
            have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray,
            saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands.

          • LDN

            yep, christians are at least as “blood thirsty” as muslims.

          • robert108

            You lie; muslims continue to slaughter people worldwide to this day, while Christians were slaughtered by the Romans and are peaceful since the Reformation over 500 years ago. You continue to demonstrate your ignorance of this subject.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            If Muslims are supposed to be blood thirst killers of each and every non Muslim, there are at least a couple of billion Muslims who are bad Muslims. I bought a doughnut from one just the other day.
            Nice fellow. I think he might have been a capitalist Muslim.

            The Bible commands its followers to kill, where is the outrage?

          • robert108

            When out of power, muslims practice taqiyya, lying and misrepresenting themselves to appear peaceful, but when they seize power, as obama facilitated in Egypt, they show their true face, and start slaughtering and enslaving the infidels, as they are doing in Egypt right now.
            Always glad to smack your lies with the truth.

          • $8194357

            That is exactly the way it is..
            Egypt is a prime excample.
            minorities are being feasted upon by the Muslim brotherhood.
            Infidels are beasts to be enslaved or slaughtered at the muslim whim.

          • $8194357

            Marx wants ya believing that huh..
            The DNC wants ya believing that..
            Islam wants ya believing that….

            Satan wants ya believing that and is
            why he spent so much time and trouble
            to tell the profit of the koran
            to tell Karl
            to tell Alinsky
            to decieve a once moral people and turn them against Christ, Christianity and the nation Israel…

            FORWARD COMRADE CITIZEN
            Your brain washing is complete..

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Jeremiah 48:10

            10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the Lord deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

          • $8194357

            Just 2 tru 4 skool Neiman

          • Neiman

            Look at the blasphemous fool commenting above and below your comments, he, an admitted non-Christian, dares to think he can use God’s Word and not suffer for his presumption.

            There is, as you know, a great difference, a vast, terrible difference between God’s covenant with the Jews and with the New Covenant for Christianity. Lying Gay Bob will find none of these words/commands in the New Testament until Revelations, when God will judge the whole world with great wrath, every human being will suffer beyond any suffering ever visited upon man, because of their evil.

            This Gay Bob is a demon and in his father from hell’s work, he misuses Scripture that he might drag many souls into hell with himself, thinking Satan will reward him, but his father in hell hates him like he hates every human soul.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            So now you’re switching back to disavowing the Old Testament, Old Pal?

          • $8194357

            ( Lying Gay Bob will find none of these words/commands in the New Testament until Revelations, when God will judge the whole world with great wrath.)
            Law
            Grace
            and soon coming
            Wrath..
            That’s what I get out of it as well, Neiman..
            Jesus full filled the rightous requirements of the Law
            and gives Grace to “us who will recieve it” before the Wrath
            and Armegedon..

          • Neiman

            The Law to show us through the Jews the utter impossibility of gaining salvation by works of the flesh.

            Grace to bring us salvation as a gift of faith, outside the Law.

            Wrath, because God is also a God of Justice and by rejecting His Son, we are judged by the Law and all fail that test.

            That blasphemer below continues, like his father in hell twisting words, demanding we throw out the OT in favor of the NT, while He has rejected both.

          • $8194357

            Tru that Neiman..
            satan has led many a soul to hell twisting Scripture and giving false ideologies and false religous doctrines..

          • LDN

            You 2 really are self righteous jesus freaks. i suppose you’d like to have seen your buddy hitler kill them all for their ancestors crucifying your calf.

          • $8194357

            Muslim clerics were helping him do that dip wad.
            Again with the know it all know nothing revisionism..

          • LDN

            were you there to see these supposed muslim clerics?

          • $8194357

            Non revisionist history.
            Miss information and out right lies told to several generations, now…
            LDN..
            I know I’m wasting band width on ya but here are 30 stories of documented factual Ilsamic/Nazi collabortion in WW II..
            UNESCO Russian revisionist history is all central planning public acadamia has taught since the late 40’s..early 50’s…
            Several generations of you apologists know not of which ya speak…

            http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/auschwitz-blueprints/

            Quote:

            Significantly, it was also in Baghdad that the first official Arabic translations of parts of Hitler’s Mein Kampf appeared in 1934. In order not to offend Arab sensibilities the final translation “edited” out Hitler’s racial theories about inferior “Semites” – making it clear that anti-Semitism related only to Jews, not to Arabs. The Iraqi translator of Hitler’s “magnum opus” was Yūnus al-Sab’āwī, a young Nazi enthusiast and extreme anti-Semite. A close confidant of nationalist officers in the Iraqi army, Al-Sab’āwī came to play an important role in Iraqi politics. From April to June 1941 he even served as Iraqi Minister of Economics. Al-Sab’āwī was indeed one of the architects of the Farhūd in which his anti-Semitic para-military youth group also took part. Al-Sab’āwī had earlier established a close connection with Nazi Germany’s Ambassador to Iraq in the late 1930s, Dr. Fritz Grobba. The latter was a distinguished Orientalist (fluent in Arabic, Persian and Turkish) who eventually convinced Hitler that helping Arab nationalists to throw off British control of Iraq should be part of German strategy. Grobba also contributed much through the networks he had established in Iraq, towards spreading the idea that Iraqi Jews were a “fifth column” of Great Britain – sworn enemies of Germany and of the Arab nation. Equally, Palestinian nationalists, led by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini (who had had fled to Baghdad in the late 1930s), conducted an especially vicious campaign to incite a jihad among the local Arab population against Great Britain, Zionism and the Jews of Iraq. The Mufti – a close ally of Hitler during the four years he spent in Berlin between 1941 and 1945 – would also exert a particularly toxic influence on the pro-Nazi politician Rashid Ali al-Kailani, whose successful anti-British coup had forced the unpopular Hashemite Regent Abd al-Ilāh to flee the country. The coup brought to power on April 1, 1941 some of the most rabid Jew-baiters in Iraq. Anti-British and anti-Semitic propaganda now reached a zenith that greatly contributed to the violence that burst forth two months later.

            End quote…

          • LDN

            you 2 really are self righteous jesus freaks. i suppose you’d like to have seen your buddy hitler kill them all for their ancestors crucifying your calf.

          • Neiman

            You sir/madam are a lunatic. Your postings are nonsensical ravings, no facts, just childish rage.

          • LDN

            nope, just calling you out for what you are.

          • Neiman

            Nope, you proved nothing, you offered no rational reasons, you just rage like a child.

          • LDN

            you’re only as old as you feel, i guess. and if my saying “ass” means i have a sexual depravity for it, then you continued use of the word “child” would put you in NAMBLA, freakshow.

          • berg

            NEIMAN!!! STOP MOLESTING CHILDREN!!!

          • Neiman

            You mean LDN?

          • berg

            no i mean the person named NEIMAN who keeps talking about children because he is attracted to them.

          • Neiman

            So to say in a derogatory way someone acts like a child, not being grown up and that makes them attracted in some way to children? Now that is insane!

          • berg

            no NEIMAN, MOLESTING CHILDREN LIKE YOU DO, is insane.

          • Neiman

            That is criminal liable, only the fact you can post here anonymously protects your from being sued. You cannot prove I have ever done anything like that and you are making false criminal charges – now back them up or else.

          • LDN

            bingo, me thinks neiman doth protest too much.

          • Neiman

            So one should not protest vile, wholly false, criminal liable?

          • berg

            you can’t sue someone for believing that. you may protest at your own risk though.

          • Neiman

            The hell you can’t. Through Rob supply all your personal data and I will sue you for making false charges of a criminal nature against me, which is liable and actionable in court.

          • berg

            baseless law suit. does it defame you? i know not who you are but unless the statement and/or belief of this were to hurt you monetarily, it is baseless.

          • Neiman

            Through Rob supply all your personal data and I will sue you for making
            false charges of a criminal nature against me, which is liable and
            actionable in court.

          • berg

            no false charges, that would mean i called the police or filed a claim. this is a chat room where i told you not to and told you it is insane to do so.

          • Neiman

            Well if you are so sure, let me try and if you are right it will do you no harm. Or, admit here and now that you have absolutely no facts to back up your accusation. It was a horrible thing to say, not that I have not said horrible things in my life and even here, but you need to face some responsibility for your reckless words and at least apologize.

          • berg

            your right, child molestation is no joke. and since i don’t know you, i would have no idea what you do in your free time and i apologize for pretending to know what you do.

          • LDN

            that really did cross a line berg. i was only making a point how their Freudian slip theory is ridiculous. but at least you manned up. sorry if i put this wheel in motion, neiman. and berg, your right. child molestation is not a joke.

          • robert108

            You seem to be living in your own little melodramatic fantasy world that revolves around you.

          • LDN

            more personal attacks that you won’t ever man up to. for some reason all you do is revolve around me. just try once to let it go and move on.

          • $8194357

            You got some awfull fantasies about my momma tho and weren’t afraid to share them with us..
            Me thinks you don’t protest your perversion enough..

          • $8194357

            So you see five when four are held up as well, huh..

          • $8194357

            Self rightous?
            Relying totally on Christs completed works is self rightous?
            Drink some more kool aid…Poison tastes good to those who cut their teeth on the lies and Truth is offensive to them…Leftists are self rightous.

          • LDN

            well, aren’t we self-righteous. PRIDE=SIN. fix the economy now, you say? GREED=SIN. sitting around threatening damnation on the internet? WRATH=SIN and SLOTH=SIN. bet your a fat mofo too. GLUTTONY=SIN. who is blasphemous now? looks like you neiman and 7point62.

          • Neiman

            These sir/madam are the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind.

            You did benefit though in making a self confessed non-Christian (Gay Bob) your new best pal.

          • LDN

            i’d take a kind open minded person of the gay persuasion over a closed minded hostile self-righteous christian any day. and also gay is not an insult, unless of course you are a bigot…

          • Neiman

            You are known by the vile company you keep. Gay is a sin, it is condemned by God, Who also offers them all healing from their homosexual desires and salvation if they repent.

            You cannot prove self righteousness against me, so it is another childish rant by you absent facts. I am a sinner, just like you, only saved by faith in Christ.

          • LDN

            you think you can just do whatever you want, and hurt whoever you want and just because you go to church, you’ll be saved. you will not. BTW, why the hell are you even on here? got no life? got no woman? can’t get it up? i mean really, how pathetic are you?

          • Neiman

            Not one word has any truth.

            Your are a lunatic, you are unable to debate like a man, you are incapable of rational thought or logic.

          • LDN

            you know, you keep saying that but how much truth does your bible have? only because you are faithful do you believe it to be truth. truth is in the eye of the beholder. all you say is that i lie but you don’t back it up. just claiming that someone is lying doesn’t make it so. you really are used to anyone disagreeing with you, are you? and BTW religion is anything but logical.

          • Neiman

            Incredible, you have never offered a single fact, never offered a reasonable, rational argument and when I get tired of your childish nonsense, you accuse me of offering no facts. Yes, you are a liberal.

            Prove a single thing in the Bible as being false, then I’ll pay attention.

            I have rebutted your every childish attempt at an argument and you have been proven wrong 100% of the time.

            Present a fact – I’ll counter it with facts and truth, but you have never offered a single fact.

            Evolution is illogical in the extreme, but every claim of Scripture forces one to the rational conclusion Jesus was an historical figure, he performed miracles and was crucified and rose again to life. The probability of every claim far exceeds that of evolution or any other alleged fact in human history.

          • LDN

            i offered opinions on the election and was attacked by you and your cronies so i fought back. i misspoke on one constitutional issue and have since been called nothing but ignorant and liar and accused of babbling about nothing. everything i have said on here has either been defending myself and stating my opinion. an opinion isn’t something that must be back up with fact.

          • Neiman

            I have no cronies here or anywhere.

            To say you are ignorant or grossly ignorant is not an insult, it means you simply do not have sufficient information.

            You are right you need not back up opinion with fact, but when facts are presented to you to oppose your opinions, you either must supply facts or accept the idea you will not change anyone’s mind.

            Here at SAB, it is often a dog fight and passions get stirred up and we do not always appear polite or civil, it is mostly self defensive I assure you.

            It was never my intention to offend you you by being aggressive and blunt in my responses, I apologize if, not meaning to, I caused offense.

          • robert108

            You didn’t “misspeak”, you lied out of ignorance, and when you were caught, you continued to lie in your defense, until you were exposed for that. Your lies were false statements of fact, not opinions, so you lie again.

          • $8194357

            Man’s wisdom is foolishness to God…
            If I’m a fool for Jesus?
            Who’s fool does that make you liberal?

          • LDN

            the king james version of the new testament was completed in 1611 by 8 member of the church. there were (and still are) no original scripts to translate. the oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. there are over 8,000 of these manuscripts, no two alike. the king james translators used none of these, anyway. instead they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. so 21st century christians believe the “word of god” is a book edited in the 17th century from 16th century translations of 8000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters from the 1st century.

          • Neiman

            The King James Version was/is the best English translation of the original (ancient) Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic languages, it alone though is not the Bible. The Bible, as now accepted, was written by the Apostles within 60 years of the life of Christ, it is accepted because the Authors were witnesses to the life, death and resurrection of Christ and their words were faithful to Old Testament writings. There are more documents and fragments extant of the Old and New Testament writings than almost any other book in human history. The Dead Sea scrolls enabled scholars to compare those 2000 year old document scraps to the KJV and any errors were rare and incredibly minor and did not impact any doctrine whatsoever. The faithfulness of the Jews to transcribe the Old Testament is beyond question.

            While there have been many translations, God made sure every key truth was repeated in both Testaments several times and in various ways that no Divine Truth could possibly be corrupted and the KJV and NIV are incredibly faithful to every ancient text now extant. We won’t even go into extra biblical proofs.

            So, again without meaning any insult, you are simply ignorant of the history of the Bible.

          • $8194357

            Learn that in a marxist puplic education/indoctrination center or at the DNC convention?

          • $8194357

            And just who is the vile little coward
            making all the depraved comments when confronted?
            Look in the mirror and see one of Lenin/Stalins indoctrinated useful idiot apoligists…Satanic lemming useful idiot apoligist..

          • $8194357

            Are you a “happy fella” yourself or just PC brainwashed?

          • LDN

            again, your knowledge is skewed. many christians realize this is bullshit, but some, like yourself, take longer to learn. your interpretation of bible verses are only true from your point of view.

          • $8194357

            7 deadly sins..
            10 Commandments
            1 Lamb for sinners Slain..
            Choose you this day whom you will serve.
            Sin and deception…
            or
            Grace unto Salvation..
            You are the slave of what you give yourself too..

          • berg

            you’re gods slave then, haha. slave boy. have fun shining imaginary shoes, slave boy.

          • $8194357

            If I’m a fool for Jesus?
            Whos fool does that make you?

          • robert108

            Fixing the economy is not greed, it’s just good sense after obama’s gross mismanagement.

          • LDN

            really, from a website called prophet of doom? you really believe that they are unbiased? these are out of context snip-its, what self-righteous christians do. i have studied several religions and this is the crap that the radicals follow, not all muslims. you know they are all over here in ND, how many have tried to kill you? none, you say? thats what i thought. racist bigot and 99% of real people in this country would agree.

          • Neiman

            Prove his quotes are in error. There was no editorial comment, just direct quotes from their holy books.

            If you knew Islam at all and you have NOT studied any religions – your gross ignorance proves that, you would know their thuggery and violence is in direct proportion to their representation among the populace. Violence and death is at the heart of Islam.

            Just today after charging a Downs Syndrome girl with blasphemy against the Qur’an, carrying the death penalty, the Muslim authorities had to fly her out to keep crowds of Muslims from killing her.

            You are speaking for 99% of the people in the United States?

          • LDN

            christianity has tons upon tons of blood, hatred and thuggery under their belt as well. doesn’t mean every christian does these things, just you and your buddies.

          • Neiman

            More lunacy, you offer no proof I have done any of these things, that is childish lunacy.

            No, unless in the New Testament you can find any justification for any of these acts in words or in the life of Christ, they cannot be charged against Christ or the faith. These people all acted outside the faith.

            Violence is justified on virtually every page of the Qur’an and Hadith, I gave you just a few examples. So, murder and terror are justified by Islam and the life of their child raping prophet Mohammad, cursed be his foul name.

          • LDN

            i only assume by your actions and words. isn’t that what one of your buddies said earlier? actions show your beliefs.

          • Neiman

            Unless you stop acting like a lunatic and responding like a child, I have no time for your nonsense.

            The above is rambling, lunatic ravings.

          • robert108

            Islam slaughtered its way through the ME with “conversion by the sword”; there is no Christian equivalent of that, and there is no Christian parallel with decades of savage and murderous muslim terrorism, which goes on to this day.

        • LDN

          they promoted the bible because everyone at that time were christian. and dependent on god, well, god is a pretty generalized term. muslims and jews believe in the exact same god that christians do. hindus also believe in gods as do all religions. so why does it matter if obama is muslim or not. why does it matter that romney is a mormon freak. did you know that the actually teachings of islam are even more “love thy neighbor” than christianity? they teach to love those of other faiths even more than those of their own. a handful of extremists pop up and you all assume that’s how they all are.

          • robert108

            Again, thanks for admitting your utter ignorance of religion in general, and Christianity in particular.

          • LDN

            really? well then enlighten me as to how i am wrong, just saying someone is wrong proves nothing.

          • robert108

            Here’s one: “…they promoted the (B)ible because everyone at that time were (C)hristian. and dependent on (G)od…”

            You don’t give context for your claims, but even if your generalization is limited to the 13 Colonies, it’s wrong. There were non-Christians here, even then. Second, Christians are not “dependent” on God, as you want everyone to be dependent on govt handouts; we have Faith in God, and understand that our human wisdom is inferior to God’s Word, but it’s not dependency, like a slave to a master, which is the preferred mode of the left wing. Like Karl wanted “the dictatorship of the proletariat” to force everyone into his “utopia”.
            The most significant thing here is that you don’t know how wrong you are, which means you are parroting the words of others, without doing any research of your own, the worst form of ignorance, arrogant ignorance.
            Oh, and “promoted” is wrong, as well. No one has to promote God, at least not the way islam “promotes” itself with “conversion by the sword”.

          • LDN

            dependent on god was a quote from another commenter, who said “our rights were dependent on god” not that people were.

          • $8194357

            God given liberties and freedoms you leftists replaced with soviet statist central planning tyrany.
            big difference, huh.

          • LDN

            soviet statist central planning tyrany?!?! wowsers, u must have a thesaurus. good for you. now instead of saying that one side of the government wants to destroy everything, why not trying thinking that we are all americans and almost every last one of us want whats best. and keep your inane crazy conspiracy theories to yourself.

          • $8194357

            So sensitive to critizism…
            Blame it on modern education…
            And how did that make you feel LDN?

          • LDN

            oh oww i’m so hurt by ur wrinkled old ass. and there was no critizism from the comment. merely a crazy statement.

          • robert108

            Thanks for admitting you have no factual counterargument, just lying smear personal attack.

          • robert108

            Because it’s not true. Democrats sold out to Marxism decades ago.

          • robert108

            Again, not what you said, so trying to blame someone else is bunk.

          • LDN

            and sure there may have been a few jews and of course native americans but christians were by far the vast majority.

          • robert108

            Not what you said, so trying to scramble to change your words now is just plain dishonest.

          • $8194357

            OWS’er robert..
            big 10X

          • $8194357

            ( just saying someone is wrong proves nothing)
            Thats what we been telling you revisionist history dip wads for along time, but ya just don’t get it…

          • LDN

            oh, i see. you just like to call others ignorant to cover up your own ignorance.

          • robert108

            No, I call you ignorant because you don’t know anything about the subject of this discussion.

          • $8194357

            Ignorant means not educated on the topic..
            Your both ignorant and indoctrinated stupid.

          • $8194357

            Revisionist B/S.
            UN’s Russian UNESCO program made sure
            that’s all ya indoctrinated useful idiots are taught
            in central plannings “Public education indoctrination centers”.

          • robert108

            This fool reminds me of a troll named Dino that infested this blog years ago. All babbling, lies and denial.

          • $8194357

            (All babbling, lies and denial.)
            They who know not the Truth are perishing.
            These folks accept the lies because they cut their baby teeth on nothing else but..

          • Neiman

            You are woefully ignorant of this subject, give up, seriously you are making a fool of yourself.

            I can copy/paste verses from the Qur’an and Hadith all day long that are about torture, rape, theft and murder to convert infidels to Islam. It is the most murderous religion one can imagine. Read their books, you simply do not know what you are talking about.

            No, the God of Islam and Christianity are alien to one another, Islam is not from Abraham’s other son. Allah is the mood god from the Kaaba, one of many pagan gods still housed in that black cube.

            Hindu’s have over a million gods.

            Seriously, give it up, you are looking really stupid about now.

          • LDN

            though don’t know what you are talking about, you all bore me, you are unable to build up your own argument without tearing down someone elses. i pity you all, not that you really deserve it. bye bye dipshits

          • Neiman

            I cannot tear down what you have not built, you have offered no rational arguments at all.

            You tried to appear wise and from the Constitution to religion you have failed in your endeavor and now you give up? Bye! Don’t let the door hit you in the . . . backside.

          • $8194357

            What argument have you been making?
            All you’ve done is call names and insult my momma..
            Another big word for ya.
            i can’t spell it but have fun with it.
            Your dick in my mothers mouth last night?
            Necrophillia…
            She’s been gone since 88…
            You must not like much meat on your bones huh…
            Asshat..

          • LDN

            you haven’t a clue, since i have posted several arguments on here, your immature ass just prefers the insults obviously.

          • $8194357

            anal oriented aren’t you…
            My wrinkled old ass…
            Immature ass….ect..ect..ect..
            Don’t be to hard on your self…
            Freud liked his momma “way” to much as well
            and decided all sexual depravity must be accepted as normal
            for you on the left and anyone else willing to bite down on his spin….

          • LDN

            unfortunately for you and your dumb comment, freud was debunked by psychological community. so we can add him to the list of idiots and nutjobs you listen to.

          • $8194357

            You are the one making sick statements about my momma, loser.

          • LDN

            just following your lead. you know, the being an asshole to others who have differing opinions and beliefs.

          • robert108

            You try to blame us for your obscene comments?

          • $8194357

            You did it first is not only false, but a very poor
            argument for you to make…

          • robert108

            You’re the one dealing in Freudian insults, liar.

          • robert108

            An argument is a clear statement for a position, supported by factual and logical statements. You have yet to get close to such a thing.

          • LDN

            my condolences on your mother, maybe i’ll swing over and piss on her grave. lying sack of sh*t

          • LDN

            yep, that was fun. i should act like the rest of you more often. course then i’d be a waste of space loser like yourselves, but it is fun treating others like sh*t, like you’ve all done.

          • $8194357

            Leftist have that problem huh..
            Telling em the truth winds ya all up way tight..
            Point right and scream…
            Now look what you made me do…
            Simpleton..

          • robert108

            “Blame others for what you do.” – Karl Marx

          • $8194357

            Satan did it to Adam and Eve.”its all God’s fault”
            Satan gave it to the prophet (taqiyya)
            Then he gave it to Karl like you noted above.
            Then Alinsky gave it to the “new left democrats”
            Billary and Barry been studing on it for decades.
            The DNC took it as gospel and…
            Here we are….
            root systems folks..
            root systems…
            Where do you all get your ideological make up from?
            The Gospel?
            Or satan?

          • $8194357

            Classy…
            Just your idiological make up comin out your pie hole.
            Sqawt and have at it pussy…
            She’s long gone from there..

  • http://www.facebook.com/cliftonn2 Clifton Nelson

    This interview reminds me of a Scott Hennen show,one sided as hel…..ask the tough questions,but ask them of both candidates….Scott’s show was always 2 against one…..surprised this is happening on a channel 4 or 11 show,used to watch them both when I lived in the N.E. corner of our great state.l

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    Does Heidi think North Dakotans are that stupid? She is Barack Obama with orange hair – if you were to compare voting records. You’re not conservative Heidi and you’re not winning.

    • Conservative Soccer Mom

      Right on @Goon! “When I brush my teeth, I don’t see a skinny African-American looking back at me in the mirror” – no, Heidi, that’s because he is standing right behind you, along with Harry Reid. Heidi is just the third part of that most unholy trinity, and we are not stupid enough to buy what she’s trying to sell! (Goes for Gulleson trying to pass herself off as “conservative” too!)

  • LDN

    i’m not here to try and change anyones mind, unlike all of you have been. because unlike all of you, i have the intelligence to know that your minds are made up, most of you made you minds up before a nominee was even selected because you blindly vote of the party and not the actual politician. i am just here to have fun and piss all you closed minded idiots off. i know i’m doing very well.

  • LDN

    you all bore me, you are unable to build up your own argument without tearing down someone elses. i pity you all, not that you really deserve it. bye bye dipshits

    • $8194357

      Don’t let the blog door hit your backside on the way out now ,HEAR?

      • LDN

        like my dick hit ur mom in the face last night, oooohhhhhh but seriously folks… i just love watching you all pretend to be intelligent, its sure funny to watch.

        • $8194357

          Necrophillia….
          I bet ya support anal relations and
          significant others huh.
          SICK LITTLE PUKE.
          You go on now and pretend to be intelligent on huff and puff or move on dot org now HEAR?

          Say hello to rbb before ya leave…
          He likes your kind…

          • LDN

            i hear, but i don’t take orders from rotten old pieces of sh*t like yourself.

          • robert108

            Pure Freudian projection.

        • robert108

          When cornered, the lying left wing propagandist resorts to babbling sodomite filth.

    • robert108

      It is you who can not make any argument; all you do is shout left wing slogans and trash everyone else.

  • Harold

    My only question to Hiedi would be if democrats don’t represent what you believe then why are you a democrat?

  • LDN

    well, Neiman, Robert and old washed up 7point with a couple big words, i tire of your gross closed-mindedness and your apparent rudeness. i actually have a life to live. and the door will be taken off the hinges when i exit. so long BIGOTS AND LOSERS

    • $8194357

      You were tired yesterday and still came back for round two..
      A gluton for punishment or what?

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