Heidi Heitkamp: Defiant Democrat?

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It seems Senator Heidi Heitkamp’s top agenda item for her time in Washington DC so far is to try and manufacture a political mythology around herself. Case in point, this profile of Heitkamp the “defiant Democrat.”

That’s an important thing for Heitkamp. She needs her red-state constituency to perceive her as something different than what her national party represents. Why doesn’t Heitkamp just leave her party if she doesn’t believe what it stands for?

Please, don’t ask inconvenient questions.

Anyway, as evidence of Heitkamp’s “defiance” her position on gun rights is cited:

On the topic of gun control, Heitkamp does not hesitate when asked if she’ll support an assault weapons ban; her answer is a definitive no.

“There’s literally hundreds of thousands of guns already out there,” says Heitkamp. “This isn’t a solution to the problem, that’s my first thing. And I think if you read the case, the Second Amendment case, you got some serious Second Amendment challenges in all of this, and my personal perspective is that you are ignoring what could actually work to prevent this from happening because you are following an agenda that you already had before this ever happened, instead of taking a look at this circumstance, these situations and how do we prevent this violence.”

A definitive no? Maybe in this interview which is supposed to be about Heitkamp’s defiance, but let’s remember that Heitkamp has in other interviews said that we have to “put everything on the table” for addressing gun violence.

Heitkamp at one point called President Obama’s gun control proposals (which weren’t even public yet at that point, if you needed evidence for the fact that Heitkamp was merely posturing) “extreme,” but when an anti-gun group called her out on the issue she caved.

“Defiant,” indeed.

Heitkamp is going to be a “defiant Democrat” in the same way that Senator Kent Conrad, her mentor remember, was a “budget hawk.” Which is to say that she’ll work very, very hard to create a cloud of perception for the media to buy into which she’ll use to obscure the way she governs.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Roy_Bean

    Defiant? Does that mean she won’t be shooting skeet with Barry O, or shooting dogs with Dead Head Ed?

  • opinion8ed

    Since she is an attorney and believes in the Constitution what has she said about the Illegal appointments that Obama (her hero) made to the NLRB and Richard Cordray. Has she lost her voice? What about the 200 and something illegal decisions they have made? Lets all write to her office and ask her to step up and get her colleagues to pressure the President to remove them and cancel all the prejudiced propaganda that they handed out to Union…. What’s that? she took money from those Unions to get elected…..crickets

  • two_amber_lamps

    Defiantly doing Prince Harry’s bidding!

    • SusanBeehler

      This will really bug you! I agree with Heidi, I believe a gun ban is not the answer I don’t think the “assault weapon” are necessary for our second amendment right either but everyone on this blog only seems to talk about a ban rather than find some common ground, I really believe we can do better, it is finding what the “better” is.

      • opinion8ed

        The Gun Ban is a puppet show…

        • SusanBeehler

          Sure does sell alot of guns. Best marketing gimmick ever and any congress person having stock or investment in the gun market, just yell “ban” and the money will start rolling in. Also keeps law enforcement departments busy with concealed weapon permits.

          • Captornado

            I’m pretty sick and tired of hearing supposedly ‘liberty minded’ people talking about compromising when it comes to the Constitution. It’s not called the BILL OF NEEDS.

          • SusanBeehler

            I am pretty sick and tired of hearing supposedly “patriots” people talking about taking up arms against our country. It is not the land of free when those who interpet what it means to be an America as one willing to destroy it with their “unregulated” “militia”

          • retirenowconrad

            Our founders are rolling over in their graves.

          • SusanBeehler

            I do not live my live based on what “our” founders think, they owned slaves!!!! They were not as “enlightened” as what you or others think. You have placed them on a pedestal and look to them to lead rather than do what is best for our people NOW. They built a foundation and foundations can get cracks in them. When we are unwilling to repair or recognize the cracks the foundation will crumble.

          • Slickwilly

            Foundations can always be lifted with a little mud jacking.

          • SusanBeehler

            We are not talking lifting we are talking filling the crack

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            And, I would say, the sooner the better.

          • Slickwilly

            When you lift, the crack seals on its own. Sinking causes cracks. Our foundation has settled a bit. I think we need to support our foundation more.

          • retirenowconrad

            You live your live?

            The founders put together a document that could be changed to “repair cracks.” The created an exact process for making changes.

            What is being proposed is to circumvent the constitution. You need to understand that if the process is not followed now, it will not be followed when a right you hold dearly is being taken away.

            How many slaves did John Adams own? What does that have to do with a militia? Focus my dear.

          • SusanBeehler

            “Proposed” is the key word and your interpretation is yet to be tested. What does slaves have to do with this? If you are all in to the “inalienable” you should know, they didn’t follow what they wrote, because they were too $$$$$blind to the fact slaves were humans. Kind of like Hilter not recgonizing Jews as people, they were “vermin”

          • retirenowconrad

            Susan,
            What does slave ownership have to do with militia? I’ll answer, nothing.
            Were slaves humans? Hilter didn’t like Jews? Really, I didn’t know that.
            Did you know the evil American government shot monkeys into space? Did you know the price of gold is over $1600 per once?
            Focus my dear.

          • WOOF

            Militias kept slaves in line. Not necessary to the security of a free country , not necessary to the security of a free nation, necessary to the security of a free STATE.

          • retirenowconrad

            Yes, militias were maintained to keep the states free. Our country was created as a group of states.
            I doubt the New York militia was used to keep slaves in line, but nice try relating the two items.

          • Hal414

            Woof must be trying to impress Susan Babbling.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            O my God! Do you think so? Woof must be one hell of a lonesome guy.

          • WOOF

            There were slave revolts in NY in the 1700’s.

            New York militia probably mostly killed Indians.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            They were most certainly not blind to it, fool. It was a serious issue at the time. The issue was, ultimately, considered secondary to the issue of uniting the colonies. Several of the Founding Fathers abhorred slavery. Where did you go to school?

          • Hal414

            “they owned slaves!!!!”

            But you are quite silent on Sen. Menendez (Democrat-NJ) who sexually assaulted child slaves. Why is that?

          • SusanBeehler

            Because I don’t live in New Jersey and I am not following New Jersey news. Slaves came up because our founding fathers were into that.

          • Hal414

            OK, I get it. You think it’s ok if a US Senator sexually abuses a child slave as long as they don’t live in the state where you reside. I’ll bet, more often than not, your Senator Heitkamp will vote with the child slave pervert. You are pitiful.

          • SusanBeehler

            You are sick, I just said I did know about it, now some how YOU want to impose I condone sick acts and so will ever other Senator if this is what happened. That is like saying because I live in North Dakota and you do too, I condone how you act. Get a grip, you are grasping at air. You could be a pervert for all I know about you.

          • Hal414

            I am throwing the BS flag on you not knowing about it. Rob has a current posting about it on SAB.

            I suppose Heitkamp doesn’t know about it either, she has been silent on the Senator Menendez (Democrat-NJ) child slave sex scandal.

          • SusanBeehler

            So, I don’t read everything posted on sayanything blog and I don’t watch alot of television and I don’t read everything in the newspaper. So what does this have to do with the discussion on guns. It is bad what do you want me to do about it?

          • camsaure

            A litle bit selectivie huh? how convenient.

          • SusanBeehler

            Time management

          • Onslaught1066

            No time for the truth, huh? How convenient.

          • SusanBeehler

            Prioritized, New Jersey is not high on my list and still isn’t. Reality

          • Onslaught1066

            No time for the truth, huh? How convenient.

          • Hal513

            Slaves “came up” because they were being sold by their own people.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            “Slaves came up because our founding fathers were into that.”

            How profoundly stupid.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            What does owning slaves have to do with it? First of all, you should acquaint yourself with the slave issue as it was considered by the Founding Fathers. You might be surprised. Secondly—O Enlightened One—Aristotle, a.o., owned slaves; in fact, he wrote an extensive essay justifying slavery. His impact on science and philosophy was enormous. Hell! All of Greek culture was built on the backs of slaves. But, O well, Sue Beehler, whose vast intellect encompasses the heights and depths of the Universe, can whimsically dismiss the thoughts of anyone whom she thinks has done something naughty or just plain disagreeable. How full of sh*t are you? Have you read the Founding Fathers? When your ideas reach one-tenth the level of clarity and perspicacity of those people you will possess an intellect ten times what you have now.

          • SusanBeehler

            “whose vast intellect encompasses the heights and depths of the Universe, can whimsically dismiss the thoughts of anyone whom she thinks has done something naughty or just plain disagreeable.” Isn’t this what people do, the bloggers on this blog surely do by categorizing right, left, good, bad, liberal, conservative, bad, good.

            Slave owner, no slaves, bad, good is my sorting of their thinking just like you have yours.

            For me it shows the level of their thinking, we all make choices, some of them choose to own slaves. I do not worship the founders as you do, so for me it does not matter if they set on a ivory pedestal or were just a human who choose not to question and went along with the thinking of the day, “slaves were subhuman”. As far as I am concern a child can discern “slavery” is not right/good. They obviously did not have the innocence of a child, so maybe they did not have the wisdom to know what is best for us today. So maybe, just maybe not “everything” was the best they wrote in our constitution. I don’t worship the constitution either. It is my personal “beliefs” and I am entitled to them, I am bias against slave owners and the mentality that allowed it. Intellect is not everything in making a decision or choice, humans are not just their “intelligence” Thank God for that!

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            You understand nothing at all, do you? I have rarely seen such psychological inflation as you possess this side of a florid psychosis. You consider yourself an advanced “enlightened” being, which you disprove a dozen or so times a day on this blog. Time for some self-assessment before your pets start biting you to see if you pop.

            Children are quite used to having slaves—they’re called “mothers.”

          • SusanBeehler

            “Children are quite used to having slaves—they’re called “mothers.” maybe in your home, in our home we have no slaves. Your prickiness is showing.

          • Onslaught1066

            So your children learned to fend for themselves in a household governed by a mental retard, huh? How convenient.

          • SusanBeehler

            So you were raised only by a mother in your home which you refer to as a “mental retard,” huh? My home is not “governed”. It has nothing to do with “government”

          • Onslaught1066

            Your children were allowed to act and do as they please with no set ground rules?

            Yes, you qualify as a mental retard and as such should be locked up and deprived of liberty.

          • Lianne

            This actually pains me to do this, but I have to defend her or at least disagree with you and at the same time, go off the main topic of discussion. Many mothers do everything for their kids, that is true, and in a sense, are slaves to their children. There are some mothers who teach their children from a very early age how to household chores. Those chores change as the child matures. It teaches responsibility and self-reliance, both of which are severely lacking today.
            Back to Heidi, I heard her interview. She sounded more Conservative than Republican. We will have to watch her every action, however, because we know that actions speak louder than words.

          • Onslaught1066

            You conflate hanniturdlet here with actual human beings to your detriment.

          • Lianne

            You gave me a belly laugh, thank you!

          • Onslaught1066

            De nada.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            In what substantial way is it different in your marvelous home—at least re children up to about two years old?

            The Left and Democrats at the national level have institutionalized slavery once again, and one of those areas of attention is the child-parent relationship. It is increasing specified by law what sort of family environment the child is to be brought up in. It is increasingly specified how a child is to be treated, the child’s “welfare” increasingly being backed up by law, and the length of parental legal obligations extended. In addition, social pressures and parental guilt often expand and extend the parental slavery well past infancy. The Left understands and nurtures slavery. The practice has been sublimated into regulatory and economic servitude seasoned with low-cost trinkets to keep the slaves down. The new methods are fruitful and powerful; indeed, general slavery is being extended into the indefinite future by these means. I guess you know which side your bread is buttered on—you support the politics through which you will revenge yourself on your children by turning them into slaves later on.

            The New Slavery beats hell out of the old brutal and obvious practices. Yes, we are indeed far more enlightened and advanced in the practice of evil.

            Your c*******s is showing.

          • SusanBeehler

            I am sorry you had a liberal slave owner for a mother. Your mental illness is showing if you believe parenting is “evil”.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            You are the first person in my experience who could write (sort of) without being able to read.

          • SusanBeehler

            I read it and I do not agree with your opinion, Your view seems “warped” I think it is reflective of one of these or all

            1. you are mentally ill
            2. old like our “founders”
            3. your distorted view of the world has narrowed your mind

            In other words I don’t buy into your description of parenting, it is extremely strange. The parenting we use in our home nurtures love, choice, and guidance from both my husband and I.

          • Onslaught1066

            You just said you didn’t govern your household, which is it liar?

          • SusanBeehler

            Define “govern”

          • Onslaught1066

            Read a dictionary.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            You are the first person in my experience who could write (sort of) without being able to read.

          • Guest Observer

            Next thing you will tell us is you embrace the hammer and sickle.

          • America

            ALL obama supporters embrace the hammer and sickle. Look at the flag they’re waving in front of the White House in celebration of his victory of his first election in 2008

          • SusanBeehler

            I am not a Obama supporter

          • America

            If you voted for ANYONE other than Romney, your vote went to obama.

          • camsaure

            You could just as well be if you were a bit more honest

          • SusanBeehler

            Nope don’t. But I would use a hammer as a weapon

          • Captornado

            Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

          • SusanBeehler

            No liberty has been given up. People who can not discuss safety without thinking they are losing their liberty might just be able to be classified under “mentally ill” and than we can discus what to do with the “mentally ill” and then lock up them up and then will have no liberty, because someone decided they did not deserve liberty. Think of what your actions/words are and what the effect could be. Don’t use an “assault rife” when you could use your words to save “liberty”.

      • two_amber_lamps

        A semi-auto gun is a semi-auto gun, wood stock or painted black Comrade “Test Administrator” (whatever that is).

        • SusanBeehler

          “assault weapon”

          • two_amber_lamps

            What is an assault rifle?

          • SusanBeehler

            Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

            Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.

            Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following:IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

            Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

          • two_amber_lamps

            No SuzyB…. I don’t need you to regurgitate a list of all the guns this list outright bans. WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF AN “ASSAULT RIFLE?”

            Just as you xenophobically claim outsiders shouldn’t be able to weigh in on ND policy, YOU shouldn’t weigh in on topics you don’t understand.

          • SusanBeehler
          • two_amber_lamps

            Do you have your own words? Stop hiding behind cut and paste and links and tell us what you know about “assault rifles.” What are the distinguishing characteristics of these weapons you so vehemently wish to ban?

          • SusanBeehler

            Yup, it is got this long thing with a trigger thing, that fires a projectile thingy out a long thingy, that has access to more of those projectile thingy inserted into the stock thingy and a thingy to protect from being burned by the firing of the projectile thingy, they could be black , could be grey, could be brown, could be long or not so long and they go by alot of cool names like bushmaster, zoombie blaster, made by colt, made remmington and other companies can shoot those projectile thingys out a rectanglish thingy that feeds a bunch more projectily thingees into the firing barrel and can shoot out like 10 -20 rounds in a 10-15 seconds and then you are dead.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yup

            Excellent. So since you don’t care to elucidate you apparently don’t have the slightest clue. Thank you for:

            A. Proving my point that you bloviate on topics based in ignorance

            B. Proving you’re a hypocrite for holding others to standards you don’t keep for yourself.

            http://www.the-nri.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/apu-nahasapeemapetilon-simpsons.jpg

          • SusanBeehler

            Do you really think no matter what I would write in my own “words” would be to your liking? You would have dissected it like a frog in a science classroom.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Poor SuzyB! Thank you for:

            A. Proving my point that you bloviate on topics based in ignorance

            B. Proving you’re a hypocrite for holding others to standards you don’t keep for yourself.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Congrats! By far the clearest, most knowledgeable comment you have made to this point. See! You can do it!

          • two_amber_lamps

            This flag has a high capacity magazine, a pistol grip and a collapsible stock, therefore under Comrade Feinstain’s silly definition it fits the definition of an assault weapon.

            http://scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/assault-flag.jpg?w=500

  • Stuart

    Heidi is for Heidi’s next re-election plan. She will play the game and be like Teflon .
    Maybe she will vote like Barry did..present!

  • Stuart

    To Susan, what is your idea of an Assault weapon? A semi-automatic or an automatic? 10 round Magazine or more? That’s if you agree with Heidi, we would need to know your definition on the weapon. If abortion is Civil the the public aught to know if you think it is civil also. As well as Heidi’s definition.

  • Stuart

    Just received a form letter from Heidi. It reads; I appreciate hearing your opposition to further gun control measures. Like you I support the Second Amendment rights of North Dakotans and share your support for ensuring that honest and law abiding Americans have access to guns for SELF-PROTECTION,hunting, and sport.

    I believe that gun violence in America MUST be dealt with in a multifaceted way.While every option must be considered,there is no single answer.The discussion must examine metal health services and school security measures. We MUST also build a community system that makes parents,family members,and schools and health care professionals also to report persons who may present a serious risk to our schools and communities

    Again, thanks again for contacting me. I will keep your thoughts in mind as relevant legislation comes before the Senate.

    Now it’s up to us to watch her voting record. Which should be posted on this site as well as Rep. Kramer and Senator Hoeven voting records !

    • opinion8ed

      Rob does not play favorites he will let you know how they voted

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    Heidi is going to get her self all spun up twisting her self in knots doing this fan dance that she will have to do for the next 6 years. Just come out and speak the truth Heidi, you’re a big time liberal and you endorse Obama’s agenda.

  • sbark

    I’m thinking pre-orchestrated and staged……..

  • Waski_the_Squirrel

    As they say, “actions speak louder than words.”

    I don’t care what Heitkamp says. I care what she does.

  • Stuart

    I believe that a true assault weapons can not be purchased with out a special permit issued by the ATF, and a thorough back ground check has been accomplished. Assault weapon meaning a full automatic. The rifle tha Ms. Lanza purchased was for hunting big game from what I’ve read. It was legal.

    We must not assume Ms Lanza did not do everything in her power to stop her son. She was shot in the face three times. We will never know if she struggled with her son or kept he guns locked up and he found the key.

    The son was sick and she was in the process of getting him more help by with drawing Adam from this school.

    It’s funny how shoddy the reporting was on this incident.

    Remember Congress shall make no Law that doesn’t effect them also. They are not special or have extra rights. Mayor Bloomberg showed his pompous attitude when he told a reporter he’d get back to the reporter concerning the question if Bloombergs guns and his body guards guns would be illegal or eliminated. The Nloombergs thugs followed (stalked) the reporter wanting the reporters name and address. Sound like the mob?
    Or Chicago thuggery? Sure seems to appear that way, and this is scary to say the least.
    Congress shall make no law!

    • SusanBeehler

      It sounds like we live in a society where “we trust no one”. Nancy Lanza,she was a “prepper” she may have preached “fear” ‘fear” and more “fear”. How might I come to this conclusion, by the result. If you talk about the end of the world, the “fiscal” cliff, the “black” boogeyman, taking up arms against your nation in front of your children, than put them in front of television or other media to see more scary stuff and isolate them from others, their minds can become “fearful”, anxiety is a symptom of “fear” real or imagined and if a child lives in this fear they can become paranoid, they can get a distorted perception of reality. Because they are “ill” from being “fear filled” they can act on a “reality” only they perceive. She bought those weapons to defend against the tyranny of government, We do not know what she told or taught her son in her “home” school. We do know the Sandy Hook school is run by our government. Was he mad at his mom for pulling him out of school? Was he mad at the “government school” because he could not “fit in”? Was he fighting a tyrannical government he felt controlled by and didn’t want to live in “fear” any longer? We will never know. For whatever reason he acted and if his mom had not been a “prepper” she may have never had the guns and if the guns were not purchased by his mom, he would not have been able to obtain them as easily. Moral of the story for a gun owner, if you value your 2nd amendment; keep YOUR gun secured and never ever share it. YOUR Gun, YOUR responsibility.

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