Boy Scouts considering end to ban on gays

DALLAS (Reuters) – Boy Scouts of America is considering ending a longstanding national ban on gay youth and adult members and leaving policies on sexual orientation to its local organizations, a spokesman said on Monday.

Lifting the ban would mark a dramatic reversal for the 103-year-old organization, which only last summer reaffirmed its policy amid heavy criticism from gay rights groups and some parents of scouts.

The organization’s national executive board is expected to discuss lifting the ban on gay members at its regularly scheduled board meeting next week in Texas.

“The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic or educational organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting to determine how to address this issue,” spokesman Deron Smith said in an email to Reuters.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Dirty Harry

    Another great institution succumbing to political correctness. Sad.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I’m happy they’re moving in this direction. Is about time. Their old policy was backward and ignorant.

      • HG

        Rob, are you saying you would enroll your own son knowing full well his scout leader and or assistants were homosexual? No pause whatsoever?

        • Guest

          It’d certainly be safer than leaving them alone with a Catholic Bishop.

          • HG

            I wouldn’t do that either.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            the problems in the Catholic church came about when the church relaxed their standards.

          • spud

            The problems in the catholic church came when they lied through there teeth and covered up what these bastards did. It’s one thing to believe you can keep gay’s out of the priest-hood it is entirely different standard allowing pedophiles to have there actions covered up.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            I disagree somewhat, but they would have been better to excise the problem rather than try to cure it.

            On the other hand the public schools seem to have gotten away with their coverups for now.

          • spud

            Cure pedophiles really it’s laughable when they mention curing homosexuality but cure pedophiles, wow. Whistler I am guessing you would like to change the words you are using because your a good person it’s not like your sbark who is an out-right idiot who gives bad name to the conservative brand. Catholics did this in our country and world-wide. The church hurt the catholic religion not the lay people practicing catholic teachings.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            I agree with you about curing pedophiles which is why I said what I said. (You should work on your reading comprehension) But thirty or forty years ago it seems that some in the Catholic church thought that was possible. They also thought it was better to keep things quiet which may have been mostly self serving but was also meant to avoid further harm to the victim.

          • slackwarerobert

            You can cure them by arming the children. I have never had a problem with dead pedophiles molesting anyone, or even poisoning the ground water.
            A seven year old with a 9mm is better armed than a pedophile with a hard gun.

          • slackwarerobert

            The cover up wasn’t as bad as the recomendations they send with them when they trransfer away from the latest little boy problem. They would send them off to run a different boys camp or some such. ala sandusky at penn state.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Absolutely.

          • HG

            Just out of curiosity, is that something your wife would agree with you on?

      • Bman

        Fair enough. Are you saying you would prevent your son to join the boy scouts because of their current policy being backwards and ignorant? Just curious.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Well, I don’t have any sons, but I wasn’t a big fan of boy scouts when I was a kid (for different reasons) and I’m not sure it’s really something I’d want my kid wasting his time with.

          • The Fighting Czech

            Before you call the Boy Scouts a waste of time, you better check out the list of Presidents, congressman, senators, Judges, and Very Successful business man that started out as Scouts. Maybe your attitude was one of the bigger problems when you were young.

          • slackwarerobert

            OMG, you just made the argument for totally disbanding them.

          • the Fighting Czech

            I know what your saying!!! putting politicians aside, there were a lot of famous business people, Astronauts, legendary Sports heros, I can only guess what kind of military heros, got their start in the Scouts. I wanted to joint them when I was a kid, . But there werent any scout troops, where I grew up in rural ND back when I was a kid….

      • Hal414

        And today, Rob has awarded himself the weekly “hall of shame” prize for advocating camping trips for little boys with mentally ill deviates.

        Rob, would you let your daughter go camping with Senator Menendez or your son with a NAMBLA member?

        • Onslaught1066

          I don’t know that E really digs the outdoors all that much.

    • Guest

      Yes, how sad that they will no longer ignorantly exclude perfectly worthy members of society for no reason but an irrational bias against who they love.

      • sbark

        Your missing the growing point of pediofilia in the push for gay marriage in your term “worthy members of society”…….
        but maybe its just irrational ignorance…….

        • Guest

          Thanks Shart for your totally uncited, baseless anti-gay post conflating homosexuality with what you’ve chosen to spell as ‘pediofillia’. In reality ” The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. ” http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/94/1/41.abstract Of course, that won’t stop people like Shart from living in voluntary irrational ignorance…

          • HG

            To reach a reasonable conclusion the numbers would have to be provided. How many molestations of boys are perpetrated by men? I’ve seen numbers as high as 86%. But there seems to be many numbers floating around. However, all the numbers are above 50%. Since homosexuals are only 2% of the population, the risk of molestation of boys is higher within the homosexual community than outside of it.

          • slackwarerobert

            Besides which outside of the homosexual community it is called getting really lucky.

          • Guest

            Thanks for posting blind guesses at numbers that in any event no way support a conclusion that homosexual have a higher threat of molestation than heterosexual men, HorridGas!

          • HG

            Homosexuals do pose a higher threat to boys according to any numbers you find. We are talking about boys here — boyscouts.

            The numbers may vary but even the lowest number confirms this.
            I’d advise you to ignore the facts at your own sons peril but somehow, just listening to you on this site, something tells me that isn’t ever going to be your problem.

          • Guest

            Of course HorridGas couldn’t find any facts to support his claim that homosexuals are at increased rate to be child molesters but what’s even more amusing he doesn’t appear to understand his own. Just giving a percentage of male molesters and homosexuals doesn’t prove anything, HorridGas. For all we know, all those molesters are not homosexual and it would still be consistent with the numbers you posted. So to recap, I have a study finding “The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation” and HorridGas’s yet again pathetic argument is he doesn’t understand numbers. Thanks again for the laugh, HorridGas!

          • Numbers guy

            “To reach a reasonable conclusion the numbers would have to be provided.”

            Let’s give an example using your figures, under the assumption that molestations were perpetrated by both heterosexual and homosexual males.

            Out of a sample of 100 molested boys, 86% were molested by men. That gives 86 boys who were molested by men.

            Since homosexuals (assuming males) make up 2% of the population, that leaves 98% of straight people (assuming males).

            Using the above figures:

            Boys molested by gay males: approximately 2 out of 100 (86 * 0.02 = 1.72)

            Boys molested by straight males: approximately 84 out of 100 (86 * 0.98 = 84.28)

            Therefore, your statement “since homosexuals are only 2% of the population, the risk of molestation
            of boys is higher within the homosexual community than outside of it” is quite false.

          • HG

            Molestation of boys by males is homosexual molestation.

          • HG

            Pedophiles are usually attracted to a particular age range and/or sex of child. Research categorizes male pedophiles by whether they are attracted to only male children (homosexual pedophilia), female children (heterosexual pedophilia), or children from both sexes (bisexual pedophilia) (3, 6, 10, 29). The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%—4%) (5, 7, 10, 19, 29, 30). This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children (19). Individuals attracted to females usually prefer children between the ages of 8 and 10 years (3, 5, 31). Individuals attracted to males usually prefer slightly older boys between the ages of 10 and 13 years (3, 5). Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of 34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of 52 acts (15). Bisexual offenders have on average abused 27.3 children and committed more than 120 acts (15). A study by Abel et al. (32) of 377 nonincarcerated, non-incest-related pedophiles, whose legal situations had been resolved and who were surveyed using an anonymous self-report questionnaire, found that heterosexual pedophiles on average reported abusing 19.8 children and committing 23.2 acts, whereas homosexual pedophiles had abused 150.2 children and committed 281.7 acts. These studies confirm law enforcement reports about the serial nature of the crime, the large number of children abused by each pedophile, and the underreporting of assaults (1).

            http://focus.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=53036

          • Onslaught1066

            Oh look, I taught it a word.

            I’m so proud.

          • Guest

            Oh look, Shaton1066 thinks he has anything to teach besides how to unthinkingly argue something is an opinion if he doesn’t agree with it.

            He’s such a sh*thead.

          • Onslaught1066

            In your opinion.

            Have you a verifiable fact to share, or are you just crapping all over your keyboard again?

          • Guest

            Facts or posted all the time, the fact that Shaton1066 chooses to unthinkingly post his fact and opinion diatribe even if something simple arithmetic is posted is not my concern.

          • Onslaught1066

            Why yes, little Gusty, facts are posted all the time.

            It’s just so sad for you, lil feller, that none of them were posted by you.

            Run along home now and go bob for Tootsie Rolls™ in your sandbox of shame.

    • HG

      Sad indeed.

  • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

    If you don’t like an organization’s rules, don’t join that organization.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I agree. I think the Boy Scouts have every right to see whatever policies they want.

      I’m just expressing the opinion that they’ve made the right decision in changing this one.

      • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

        How many scout troops are sponsored by religious organizations? Mine was.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Why is that relevant?

          Gays can’t be religious?

          • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

            Many religions consider homosexuality sinful.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            There you go using the bible as a resource. Everyone knows that pop culture is more important than that.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Well, I guess that’s between the Boy Scouts and their religious sponsors then.

  • HG

    Well, I wouldn’t allow my son to join if they make this change. Not as much about the risk as about the type of role model.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Right. You wouldn’t want your son to get the idea that people ought to be free to love who they want. Acceptance, understanding…you don’t want these things.

      That’s sad.

      • HG

        I wouldn’t want my son at risk or to get the idea that of what a man should be based on a homosexual role model. People are free to love who or whatever they want. My son already knows that. We also know from nature and religion that homosexuality isn’t normal. So no, I have no intention of accepting homosexuality. My gay relative knows all that about me and yet I still love him and am deeply concerned for his well-being. I get the impression he feels the same way.

        With all due respect Rob, I think you’re recklessly naïve on this issue. If or when you have a son, you’ll change your tune, or you may be putting your son at risk.

      • Bman

        Would you let an unchaperoned 35 year old man go camping for the weekend with your 14 year old daughter and her girl friends? No? Why not? Do you hate heterosexuals? Do you assume that all heterosexuals are child predators? What kind of a bigot are you?

        Nah, nobody says that. Everybody understands that you don’t send teenage girls off alone for overnight activities alone and unchaperoned with adult men. It just isn’t done.

        Of course if you make similar comments about your 14 year old son on a camping trip with 35 year old, openly gay man, you will be called a bigot, homophobe, etc.

        • HG

          Exactly right.

  • opinion8ed

    We are talking probably less than 5% of the population and how many know they are actually gay when they join the scouts, since you are in grade school when you join. I wonder how many actually want to be scouts or just make a point?

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      I don’t mind the gay members, but why attract pederasts to be scout leaders.

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        So, by allowing gay scout leaders, the boy scouts are inviting in pederasts?

        That’s ridiculous. The boy scouts can both allow gay scout leaders and continue to implement appropriate screening processes to keep out predators.

        • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

          I disagree. There is no perfect system, but what the scouts was attempting to do was an important step. Look at what relaxing the standards did to the Catholic Church.

        • hevve

          Hey i guess that means it should be ok for me to be a girl scout leader? Think the parents of those girls are going to be comfortable with a man going on field trips with them and all that entails? Fair is fair right?

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            Don’t try to use reason.

      • HG

        I agree. We all grew up around an effeminate boy or two. That’s no concern at all. However, homosexual scout leaders, that’s a real problem. One that screening alone can’t protect our sons from.

  • sbark

    Its about removing the institution called Boy Scouts from American society…….just as the push for Gay Marriage will essentially remove or obliterate the sanctity of Marriage in society.
    Was reading a article, on how if gay marriage is govt affirmed by the western nations, it will ignite a new era of slave trade as the demand for children in those “unions” explodes. The author details how that slave trade is going on right now in small amounts to gay couples, but the govt action of appoval will have it explode.

    • camsaure

      Exactly, they are just more leftists Hell bent on destroying anything good in society. They want to control and define the language and have no interest in any values, morals and character. They just want and cause destruction.

  • sbark

    Were soon going to have to place restrictions on Assault Gays……based on number of rounds it can carry, if they are running on semi-auto or continuous full auto, does it have a forward placed pistola’ grip, going to need gay free zones with securtiy

    • slackwarerobert

      Or ban them if they have two features of a gay d*ck. Remember only the military needs gay d*cks.

  • splined

    Overnight camping trips with no other adults present – one more nightmare parents do not need.

    • HG

      One more nightmare boys don’t need.

  • spud

    This move is being made I believe because of the money the organization is losing in lost sponsorship. Money always talks. It is the right move time to get in the real world. It is up to citizens whether they want their children to be a part of the boy scouts or not.

  • spud

    People the catholic church not only covered up the actions of these pedophile priests they allowed them to continue harming their parishioners. What kind of standard is that!!!!!!!!!!

    • HG

      No standard at all.

  • The Fighting Czech

    The Nobel prize organization has went from a once Highly respected organization, which awarded deserving recipients the exposure to the world of their accomplishments To an organization highly influenced by Pop Culture heros, and Political correctness. It has manifested itself into a joke. I have no doubt we will soon be finding Nobel prize medals at garage sales, and pawn shops….

    The Republican party is in the process of selling its principles for cash, they are in the process of become a joke that shouldnt be taken seriously.

    the Boy Scouts of American now have to make the same choice these others have made… will they stand by their principles? or will they sell them to the highest bidder?

    Time will tell us that answer.

  • slackwarerobert

    Are they rewriting the oath as well? You can’t be clean if you pack fudge.

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