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Friday, February 29, 2008

He Just Wanted To Be A Soldier

I’m not usually the most gracious of critics when it comes to Hollywood types - who often presume the mantle of a type of self-annoited unofficial royalty - or of genuine royalty, who can be the ultimate in pampered, spoiled, and out-of-touch-with-reality human beings.

But I have to step aside this time and give some respect where it is certainly due.

Britain’s Prince Harry paid the dues all young officers pay. And he wanted a role with his combat unit in Iraq. The media, of course, had a field day with this. The upshot of the media circus that followed was that there was no way to send him into combat with the soldiers he trained with without creating a deadly situation for himself - and them.

Every psycho that could be persuaded to strap a bomb to himself would have targeted him, every well trained terrorist unit would have done the same. He’d have been a great score for them, publicity-wise, a royal trophy, dead or alive, that they could have made much poltical hay of.

So....he didn’t get to deploy and do what he was trained to do.

But the British military had a little secret. For the past several weeks Prince Harry has been in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban with a front line unit. From all appearances he was doing quite well at it, too, and displayed the right attitude for it. A news photo shot of a ball hat he had on showed the logo on the back of the hat: We Do Bad Things To Bad People.

He’s been the guy who calls in airstrikes on enemy positions. No job for a weenie because it puts you right up front, close and personal with people who would dearly love to kill you because you are just absolutely ruining their day and their health records. He also went on foot patrol and engaged in combat.

And now he can’t do that anymore. Why? Because the media found out he was there.

We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world. And now the Brits have to pull him out because he has become what he so aptly describes as a “bullet magnet”. It doesn’t seem that he’s as worried about his own safety as much as for the safety of the soldiers around him. By default they share that danger. So he had to go.

Being a soldier, sailor, or marine is an honor. To be an officer or NCO and lead those people is an even greater honor. And to lead men in combat is the very epitome of the word. And that’s all this young officer wanted, to be able to lead men in combat. He could have found himself a very cushy job in some elite pretty regiment with ceremonial duties where the only blood that is drawn is the occasional paper cut, but that’s not what he desired.

He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now. And that’s a damn shame. He’s a Prince and can have just about anything he wants except this. It’s not something I would expect the pacifists or the leftists or the whiners to understand, but it was such a simple thing that he can’t have.

He just wanted to be a soldier.

Comments

What a world we live in, when we have to assume that even the Taliban read Drudge.

Ken McCracken on February 29, 2008 at 06:03 pm

Matt should not have published this information.

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Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on February 29, 2008 at 06:23 pm

And now he can’t do that anymore. Why? Because the media found out he was there.

We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world. And now the Brits have to pull him out because he has become what he so aptly describes as a “bullet magnet”. It doesn’t seem that he’s as worried about his own safety as much as for the safety of the soldiers around him. By default they share that danger. So he had to go.

That’s shameful. Any British journalist who published it should be charged either with Treason or conspiracy to assassinate a member of the royal family.

And if Drudge had it, that means someone else did too.

Kenny on February 29, 2008 at 06:35 pm

GREAT post, Pilgrim. I loved it.  This would be fit to print in any paper in America.  I loved it!  And so, so true.

What a story this Prince Harry has now, I applaud his noble efforts.  I’ve never really liked Royalty, but this man has my admiration.


I think Rob hates me… I mean, just look at the pic he took of me!

Sphagnum on February 29, 2008 at 07:41 pm
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We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world. And now the Brits have to pull him out because he has become what he so aptly describes as a “bullet magnet”.

The media?  YOUR media...after all Bat claimed him this morning.

He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now.

Yes, your media, not the lefts.

It’s not something I would expect the pacifists or the leftists or the whiners to understand, but it was such a simple thing that he can’t have.

Well, too bad it was the right who blew it....isnt it?

Hannitized on February 29, 2008 at 07:50 pm

Yes, your media, not the lefts.

Yeah!?!

It’s not like this NYTimes would ever compromise the security of the United States and put all of its’ troops in harms way by printing a story.

H, review your facts. Here’s what Bat said:

Personally, I find Drudge to be the digital cross between USAToday and the National Enquirer

Not much of an endorsement.

Now crawl back in your rat hole, with your quiver.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on February 29, 2008 at 08:20 pm
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Harry did not run to Canada. He serve his country. Many young Americans refuse to serve their country because they want the good life, by that time, it will be too late, for an another 9-11 is coming with the our enemies choosing the time and place.... News outlets (Drudge Report) made their money on news and human life has no meaning as long their is a profit. (Capt USAF Ret)

Lulu on February 29, 2008 at 08:33 pm

The British and European press were aware of Harry’s deployment, they protected the Prince and his comrades by not publishing.

WOOF on February 29, 2008 at 08:56 pm

The best was the story about three months ago in the UK about how Harry was advised to avoid going out partying while his boys were in theater as it would make him look really callous!  No wonder the Brits had Hitler so screwed up on Normandy, they are masters (Moneypenny, get Bond in here)!  In case you didn’t think that stuff still happened with culprits like the NYTimes around. 

Oh, and didn’t Harry’s hat have the Stars and Stripes on the front, it looked like it!
DKK

LifeTrek on February 29, 2008 at 09:05 pm

Sorry, sannitized, the Tabloids beat you to it. They had articles about both young Royals pushing to serve after school, about 2 years ago. And I predicted Harry would serve as a FIST, that being the AIS training he excelled at. Personally, I think they should allow the young troop to pursue his chosen career. He can raise a Regiment of Gurkas by unfurling the Windsor family guidon.  And we know how much that scares you. Gurks are already kicking the shit out of your heroes. Just imagine what they would do with a unifying leader! Your buttbuddies would be fucked. Even more so than they already are!

Your world really sucks. And that is funny!


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on February 29, 2008 at 09:13 pm
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"He has balls.”

“I like balls.”

("Team America: World Police”, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, 2004)

OregonGuy on February 29, 2008 at 09:21 pm
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Hey Peabrain, a little light on the condemnation of Drudge for publishing that Harry was on the front lines in Afghanistan endangering him and the other soldiers. 

I wrote on this earlier today and you all went ballistic, yet Peabrain posts and nary a negative word about Drudge.  If this had been the NYtimes, you’d be all over it like white on rice.

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are, decrying the MSM at every turn and nary a word condemning Drudge.

What a bunch of hypocrites and you, peabrain, are a little late to the party. Beat ya to it!

andydakota on February 29, 2008 at 09:29 pm

Pil, I think we have a 12 year old in the mix.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on February 29, 2008 at 09:32 pm

Damn.

That title gets me where I live.  When that is your driving ambition, no amount of logic will assuage the deep feelings of guilt for *not being* a soldier.

At least Harry had his moment in the sun and did serve in combat.  Better yet, barring any last-minute accidents, he will live to revel in that time.

Drudge!

What the HELL were you thinkin’ boy?

SMACK!

(walks off grumbling)


...for great justice

Move_Zig on February 29, 2008 at 09:46 pm

Matt should not have published this information.

I totally agree.

Ken McCracken on February 29, 2008 at 09:53 pm
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2hotel9 dhimmie pissant writes:

I just trawled Drudge, 4 days worth, and found nothing even vaguely capable of endangering troops anywhere. Perhaps pissant dhimmi Democrat could link it.

got it now, pissant?  What no condemnation of Drudge, you hypocrite?

andydakota on February 29, 2008 at 10:09 pm
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What a bunch of hypocrites you all are, decrying the MSM at every turn and nary a word condemning Drudge.

Bingo!

Hannitized on February 29, 2008 at 10:28 pm
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It’s not like this NYTimes would ever compromise the security of the United States and put all of its’ troops in harms way

You mean endangering the troops by saying “bring it on” when referring to attack out troops?  That kind of endangering?

The Conservatives are the kings of hypocritical statements and go nowhere arguments.  You think you can debate us?  Bring it on.

H, review your facts. Here’s what Bat said:

Not much of an endorsement.

Oh lord, Sally tries to make an argument.  Now I know why you guys complain about public education.

Sally, the sentence you quoted only refers to a comparison, not an endorsement.  You wanna know what an endorsement looks like?  Here ya go!

It was suggested earlier this morning, with some snide contempt, that Matt Drudge, he of the world famous Drudge Report, was “one of yours.” That is, a supposedly loathsome conservative.  On behalf of those of us on/in the Right, I accept.

(snip)

Like Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge is one of a kind… a unique figure who stands gleefully astride an audience he created.  An audience without peer on the Left.

He accepts!!  See that?  And Drudge doesn’t have a peer on the left.  Good, he’s all yours.  Now own his error. 

What was that about a rat hole?

Hannitized on February 29, 2008 at 10:37 pm

got it now, pissant?  What no condemnation of Drudge, you hypocrite?

Pilgrim condemned Drudge. Rodney and others said he did wrong. I’m of the opinion that anyone who ran with this should be publically shamed.

Considering this article is about blaming our media LED BY DRUDGE for removing the Prince from combat, your point falls on deaf ears.

No one is that terrible at reading comprehension, so you’re just a dishonest little twit.

Bingo!

You too, H.

Kenny on February 29, 2008 at 10:39 pm

H,

Surf’s up.

I had read once what salt water does to the brain, but was unaware that there were any living examples. That you are even able to type in your vegatative state is outstanding.

But I should make you aware of some potentially dangerous long term effects.  The last stage of which is fatal.

Excess sodium will slow the reaction times of topoisomerase, an enzyme used in the transformation of DNA from its’ normally supercoiled state to that of the relaxed state, where it undergoes transcription.

This is necessary for any of your cells, especially developing neurons to remain viable. Progression of this acute inclusion leads to the inability to communicate and distorted logic.

It might be a good idea, since you enjoy riding the waves, to get in as much of this activity as soon as you can.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on February 29, 2008 at 11:22 pm
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Pilgrim condemned Drudge.

Really?  Show me the quote!!  If its there, I missed it.  But I am looking for the clarification.  Just show me Kenny.

And now he can’t do that anymore. Why? Because the media found out he was there.

NO!  Drudge found out, because of Drudge....say it Pilgrim.  Don’t blame the media once information is out by the offender, it is no longer secret.

You guys are shameless.

Hannitized on February 29, 2008 at 11:34 pm
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I had read once what salt water does to the brain, but was unaware that there were any living examples. That you are even able to type in your vegatative state is outstanding.

Hmm?  What to do here?  I have a problem attacking you evenhandedly Sally, because you are of course a woman.  I refrain from the word lady, because your manners speak quite to the contrary.

I encourage you to make an argument in instead of ad hominem. I realize, of course, that will be a challenge for you.  But nevertheless, you will score no points with me by behaving in this manner.

I liked it when you talked science, it was kind of hot.  You can keep talking to me like that.  Please.

Hannitized on February 29, 2008 at 11:39 pm

I’ll be only too willing to condemn Matt Drudge for printing this and putting not just Harry, but all his “mates” at risk by making his identity and whereabouts public.  And I’m the one who posted the article this morning about Drudge being “the single most powerful journalist in the world today.” And that according to UK paper!

Now then, which of our self-righteous liberals is going to come forward and condemn the New York Times?  H… Andy… which of you has the courage of the convictions you insist on in others to be morally and rationally consistent?


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 29, 2008 at 11:41 pm

I encourage you to make an argument in instead of ad hominem. I realize, of course, that will be a challenge for you.  But nevertheless, you will score no points with me by behaving in this manner.

H,

Give it up, kid!  She’s way, way out of your league.  Take your magazine subscriptions, or whatever it is your trying to sell, and move on before you get laughed off the front porch.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 29, 2008 at 11:45 pm

H,

I realize you are far too busy collecting plastic bags in order to organize you shopping cart, but take a moment and look at Bats’ blog.

He said one thing in there to placate the less fortunate, and another in a comment below (for all to see) which denounced Drudge.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on March 1, 2008 at 12:16 am
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Now then, which of our self-righteous liberals is going to come forward and condemn the New York Times?  H… Andy… which of you has the courage of the convictions you insist on in others to be morally and rationally consistent?

Why would I defend the NYT?  I don’t even read it.  Of course I condemn ANY paper, article, blog, news report, pundit or reporter who makes stories based on second hand information, with no proof. 

Absolutely I condemn that.  My integirty isn’t in question here.  I rarely, if ever watch CBS, ABC or NBC.  I watch FoxNews and PBS.

She’s way, way out of your league. 

I doubt that.  If she was that smart she would have gone with a cranial skull deformity that can sometimes impede speech.  Perhaps cranial cephalus, instead of something that speaks to nonsense.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 12:17 am

Just to clarify, Drudge (clearly in order to get page hits and bragging rights) found out about this story and couldn’t wait to get it online for the world.

However the information was already out there.  An obscure Australian fashion magazine printed the information last month but and it was picked up in a German news story after that.  Drudge ran it this week.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8393413?nclick_check=1

It is a shame his mission was ended early and it is commendable that the press held it as long as they did, but it was already out there before Drudge, he just pimped the story out (can I still say that without getting in trouble or is it only when it is about Chelsea that it is bad?).
DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 12:21 am
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S,

What ever it is you think you said, you missed the point.  I suggest you re-read my comments and identify the correct target.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 12:27 am

Cranial cephalus???

Well, you sure got me there.

Are you sure you don’t cranial syphilis? I should not be personal, but you need to have that checked.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on March 1, 2008 at 12:29 am
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It is a shame his mission was ended early and it is commendable that the press held it as long as they did, but it was already out there before Drudge, he just pimped the story out

Well that makes sense.  Noboby knew of the story until Drudge reported it and spread the news, but since another obscure magazine reported on it months ago, he is removed from any violation of disclosure. 

Shameless.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 12:32 am

Sally: Maybe he’s suffering from cerebral hemorrhoids.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on March 1, 2008 at 12:32 am
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Hardening of the temporal bone of the skull (thickening of the temporal bone).  It puts pressure on the Brochas Aphasia (near temporal lobe).  The temporal bone can be removed in young infants, filed down and reattached.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 12:38 am

Really?  Show me the quote!!  If its there, I missed it.  But I am looking for the clarification.  Just show me Kenny.

Yea, you’re looking? Really? Cause it wasn’t hard to find. But hey, I’m a nice guy. So here it is:

We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world.
...
He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now. And that’s a damn shame. He’s a Prince and can have just about anything he wants except this. It’s not something I would expect the pacifists or the leftists or the whiners to understand, but it was such a simple thing that he can’t have.

The ENTIRE article was about the media’s responsibility in having to remove the Prince. And due to the Media (led by Drudge no less) the prince is disgraced.

Either you didn’t read the article or you’re shamlessly lying.

Kenny on March 1, 2008 at 12:39 am

Hannitized said:

NO!  Drudge found out, because of Drudge....say it Pilgrim.  Don’t blame the media once information is out by the offender, it is no longer secret.

Pilgrim was correct, I pointed that out to you by showing you the info was out there then Drudge, who is part of the media by the way, pimped out the story.

You were incorrect...an obscure magazine then the story was picked up in a German newspaper then Drudge.

Also, you do know that The Drudge Report actually leans left don’t you?
As noted in The NY Sun:

A study of press bias by a professor of political science at the University of California-Los Angeles, Tim Groseclose, listed the Drudge Report as one of the most liberal sites on the Web (*) because it consistently posts articles from left-of-center sources.

* UCLA Press says it it is slightly left of center:

Another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom was that the Drudge Report was slightly left of center.

DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 01:05 am
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Ha.  Kenny, you are classic.

Yes, we all saw that.  That was are complaint.  Did you seriously think you made a good argument?  Kenny....please.

Dude, Pilgrim is condemning the media, not Drudge, he didnt say a damn thing about Drudge, only the “media”.

I mean, Drudge came out with it and the rest followed....so who should take the most blame?  Drudge of course, because if he hadn’t come out with it, neither would the “media”.  Did Pilgrim say that?  No.

You miss the importance of the fact that Pilgrim is shielding Drudge from the significance of his responsibility in the matter. 

When the NYT released its story about McCain, did the “media” take the blame?  No.  Did the “media” report the story as well?  Yes.

You won’t admit these facts, because you are not being intellectually honest.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 01:07 am

Hannitized can’t read or reason.  Try this H and get back to us:

You were incorrect...an obscure magazine then the story was picked up in a German newspaper then Drudge.

Carrick on March 1, 2008 at 01:16 am
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An Australian women’s magazine reported on Harry’s deployment last month, but that report received little attention. When the news was posted on the Drudge Report Web site on Thursday, the dam burst.

Again, it was LED BY DRUDGE. Not the “media”.

Further, Pilgrim didnt know of this when he wrote his post.  So the criticism of Pilgrim remains in tact, regardless of your little spin.

Several organizations—including The Associated Press—agreed to keep the news under wraps to protect the prince and his fellow soldiers until the informal embargo was broken Thursday by the Drudge Report Web site.

Thats what Pilgrim new and that’s what he ignored.

I can read, you can’t be honest.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 01:27 am

First, what Pilgrim said was:

The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world.

read the original post again.

Second:
Drudge is a part of the media.

Finally:
Based on your comment:

Again, it was LED BY DRUDGE. Not the “media”.

is what Pilgrim said and it shows that you really CAN’T read or at least comprehend.  Also, if you aren’t able to understand what others write you aren’t really qualified to judge others who can as dishonest.
DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 01:41 am
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You guys always do that stupid crap.

Give me one article that says the “media” released this info!  One.

Did anyone one of you phonies blame the media led by the NYT when the McCain story came out?  Yes or no?  NO!

Give it up.  You are only fooling yourself.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 01:55 am

Give me one article that says the “media” released this info!  One.

Okay, and it isn’t just an article, it is a quote from the MOD:

The ministry asked the media not to speculate on Harry’s location—or how and when he would return—until he was back in Britain.

The ministry deplored the leak by “elements of the foreign media.”(emphasis added)

“However, this was a circumstance that we have always been aware of and one for which we have had contingency plans in place,” the statement said.

You also said:

You guys always do that stupid crap.

and if you mean, read and comprehend, then yep!
DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 02:04 am
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Did you guys blame the Media, led by the NYT when classified information about the troops was released?  No.

The entire issue is that Pilgrim did not say one negative thing about Drudge, like he would the NYT.  This is total biased nonsense.

He stated a fact that Drudge was the punk to release the info, but didnt condemn him. 

Pathetic.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 02:06 am
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Perhaps cranial cephalus, instead of something that speaks to nonsense.

Actually, as someone in a medical profession, I think you may be full of nonsense. I think you must mean something else. As we all know, cranial means skull. Cephalus is Greek for “head”. “Skull head” doesn’t make too much sense. As for your description:

Hardening of the temporal bone of the skull (thickening of the temporal bone).  It puts pressure on the Brochas Aphasia (near temporal lobe).  The temporal bone can be removed in young infants, filed down and reattached.

Could you provide a link? I’m not trying to be a dick, but I’ve never heard that term before. Also, with your description, “Broca’s [sic] Aphasia” is a condition, not an area of the brain. Pressure or damage to Broca’s Area causes Broca’s Apahsia. And also, Broca’s Area isn’t near the temporal lobe, it’s part of it. Also, a hardening or thickening of bone is usually referred to as osteosclerosis.

Andrew on March 1, 2008 at 02:08 am

Yes, we all saw that.  That was are complaint.  Did you seriously think you made a good argument?  Kenny....please.
Dude, Pilgrim is condemning the media, not Drudge, he didnt say a damn thing about Drudge, only the “media”.

He said the media, led (surprisingly) by Drudge.
Sorry, chuckles. He mentioned Drudge by name as leading what he has condemned as a bad story, that had negative consequences for our dear Prince. Any other interpretation is bull.

When the NYT released its story about McCain, did the “media” take the blame?  No.  Did the “media” report the story as well?  Yes.

You won’t admit these facts, because you are not being intellectually honest.

I’m always intellectually honest. Pilgrim condemned those who released this, and named Drudge by name. You’re being dense for claiming otherwise.

You guys always do that stupid crap.

Give me one article that says the “media” released this info!  One.

Drudge doesn’t run original stories. He simply links to other stories. Quote any exception or simply admit that (again) you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Did anyone one of you phonies blame the media led by the NYT when the McCain story came out?  Yes or no?  NO!

It was on Say Anything for Days when that happened. Of course they condemned him. Don’t be stupid.

Kenny on March 1, 2008 at 02:26 am
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Life,

From your own link:

British officials had hoped to keep Prince Harry’s deployment secret until he had safely returned, but they released video of him serving in Helmand Province after a leak appeared on the U.S. Web site the Drudge Report.

Did it ever occur to you that when the British use the words the elements of the foreign media they were referring to the American Drudge Report and possibly the Aussie gal?

What were talking about here is who burst this thing wide open, who is responsible.  Clearly Drudge.  There is no escaping this.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 02:26 am

Did you guys blame the Media, led by the NYT when classified information about the troops was released?  No.
The entire issue is that Pilgrim did not say one negative thing about Drudge, like he would the NYT.  This is total biased nonsense.
He stated a fact that Drudge was the punk to release the info, but didnt condemn him. 
Pathetic.

He condemned the media, LED BY DRUDGE.

You’re such a dishonest little twat. You’re being so intentionally stupid. ANY condemnation of the media here includes Drudge as Pilgrim said he’s the guy who led this mess. You could take one of two positions here and be honest:

1. Pilgrim is condemning nobody.

2. Pilgrim is condemning everyone who ran this story.

Your simply being a lying little schmuck by pretending that Pilgrim is condemning everyone except the Only Person He Actually Named. And we both know it.

Kenny on March 1, 2008 at 02:32 am

The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report
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but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now. And that’s a damn shame.

Drudge was included in the media.  That is clarified by his being listed specifically.  Just as you might say,

the Democrats, led by the Daily Kos...but thanks to the Democrats

clearly including Kos in with the Democrats.

The point your trying to make is not valid and you would see that if you just stood back and dropped the emotional reaction.

As an aside, I disagree with those who have identified The Drudge Report as a right wing media outlet.  It is close to being balanced which might look right wing compared to some others.
DKK
DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 02:34 am

Did it ever occur to you that when the British use the words the elements of the foreign media they were referring to the American Drudge Report and possibly the Aussie gal?

DUH, BINGO, EXACTLY, and that is what you asked for!  Are you even aware of what your debating?  Your running in circles.

You had asked:

Give me one article that says the “media” released this info!  One.

I gave you one.
DKK
LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 02:38 am
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He mentioned Drudge by name as leading what he has condemned as a bad story,

Sorry sweepants.  He didnt condemn drudge, he blamed it on the media and gave Drudge a pass, and said nothing negative about Drudge.

He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now.

See that, ooh, the bad bad media, not Drudge, the media.  Is the media separate from Drudge?  In his mind yes, because he separated them....the Media, led by Drudge.  Drudge Led the foul and the media followed, but did he say anything negative about Drudge, NO.  He only stated the fact that Drudge did it.

That is not condemning Drudge.  You are not thinking clearly.  Stating a fact is not a condemnation.  Are you serious?

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 02:47 am
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I’m always intellectually honest. Pilgrim condemned those who released this, and named Drudge by name. You’re being dense for claiming otherwise.

Sorry dipshit. Stating a fact is not a condemnation.  How can you be so stupid. 

He said nothing negative about Drudge.  Show me one quote where he says something negative about drudge.  One thing.

Drudge doesn’t run original stories. He simply links to other stories. Quote any exception or simply admit that (again) you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Don’t be an idiot.  Every article on this subject puts the responsiblity squarely on Drudges shoulders.

Your such a dishonest turd.  You and Robert...two peas in a pod.

It was on Say Anything for Days when that happened. Of course they condemned him. Don’t be stupid.

What?  Youre delirious. Who is him?

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 02:52 am
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He condemned the media, LED BY DRUDGE.

NO.  He stated the fact.  Let me show you in a way that your biased mind can process.

We were led into war by Bush and the congress followed.  Too bad for those poor iraqis.

The Iraqis had jobs and lived peacefully, but now, thanks to the congress, those Iraqis are dead and without jobs.

You see the slight there, you dishonest sack of bird poop?

Who led the war?  Bush, who did I blame and put the responsibility with?  The congress.

You’re such a dishonest little twat. You’re being so intentionally stupid. ANY condemnation of the media here includes Drudge as Pilgrim said he’s the guy who led this mess. You could take one of two positions here and be honest:

Oh bullshit.  This mess is squarely on Drudges shoulders and hes passing the buck.  Lame, dishonest and childish.

There is not one story that puts the main responsibility anywhere but Drudge.  Deal with it.  Robs stupid distortions dont change the reality of the rest of the world, as much as you wish and need to believe in order to have some footing on this debate.

Lame.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 03:01 am
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Excuse me, I meant Robs stupid distortions.  I get so used to Rob distorting, contorting and lying that I forget which hack I am talking about.  Heh.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 03:03 am
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Excuse me..again, I meant Pilgrims stupid distortions.  I get so used to Rob distorting, contorting and lying that I forget which hack I am talking about.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 03:04 am
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Your simply being a lying little schmuck by pretending that Pilgrim is condemning everyone except the Only Person He Actually Named. And we both know it.

Give me a break.  He didnt say anything negative about Drudge and you know it.  Instead, you argue that he mentions Drudge, in passing while he condemns the media.

That is just boring and juvenile.  Again, every article on this subject blames who?  The media?  NO.  Drudge.

He didnt give Drudge the condemnation he deserved and you know it.  Partisan puke.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 03:07 am
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DUH, BINGO, EXACTLY, and that is what you asked for!  Are you even aware of what your debating?  Your running in circles.

Oh I get it now.  So when I asked you to give me an article that stated the release was the medias fault, not Drudges, you give me an article that refers to Drudge as an element of the media, NOT THE ACTUAL MEDIA as in CBS, NBC, NYT or ABC, and I am supposed to be convinced of something.  Got it.

(koo-koo)

Sorry dude, but you cant link to a quote that blames Drudge and then expect it to stick to someone else.  That is just....well....S T U P I D.

The article you leaked put the responsibility squarely on Drudge.  Don’t you get tired of hearing that?  Yet you never disprove that.  Do ya?

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 03:13 am
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As an aside, I disagree with those who have identified The Drudge Report as a right wing media outlet.  It is close to being balanced which might look right wing compared to some others.

Whatever, I am not interested in debating that.  BAT claimed him as a right winger and I asked him to condemn him.  He did.  Good enough for me.

And your comparison was weak.  You can blame the Democrats because you want to, but I am not interested in blaming the Media because Drudge ran with it.

In the same way I dont blame the Media for the McCain story, I dont blame them for this story.  It was the NYTs fault and its Drudges.

You still dont get it.  ITS NOT THE MEDIAS FAULT.  ITS DRUDGES.  He was the spoiler....

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 03:17 am

You really believe

We were led into war by Bush and the congress followed.

is the same sentence structure as

The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report

Really?  Really?
The term, “the media” is not analogous to, “the congress,” but would be to, “the government,” or even, “the nation.” The media is the largest, all inclusive group of the communications industry and perhaps that is where your misunderstanding is.

In addition you have changed the sentence structure.  Using your very example if it had said, “the story was leaked by The Drudge Report and the media followed,” as your sentence was structured you might have a point, but he didn’t as such there is a different meaning.  You are reading it as a separation - as you proved by your example rather then as an inclusion and that just is NOT correct.
DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 03:21 am

Oh I get it now.  So when I asked you to give me an article that stated the release was the medias fault, not Drudges, you give me an article that refers to Drudge as an element of the media, NOT THE ACTUAL MEDIA as in CBS, NBC, NYT or ABC, and I am supposed to be convinced of something.  Got it.

Oh, now you decide this is your argument? I clearly said Drudge is a part of the media 5 posts ago.  Typically the media is understood to be all inclusive or as defined, ”the communications industry” As a blog reader you really don’t consider Drudge as part of the media?  He is rated compared to other media outlets, cited as a source in reporting, and rated for fairness compared to other media outlets (a copy of one such study I provided above).  But you now qualify your understanding as being what is typically referred to as the MSM.

Keep in mind, based on the article of mine you are quoting—Your the only one who doesn’t get it, the Brits get it, Fox News gets it, Pilgrim gets it, Kenny gets it, Carrick gets it, Robert gets it, Sally gets it. 

Okay, so be it.  Sorry your limited understanding of the internet, new media, and media in general has led us to this entire debate.
DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 03:37 am
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Actually, as someone in a medical profession, I think you may be full of nonsense. I think you must mean something else. As we all know, cranial means skull. Cephalus is Greek for “head”. “Skull head” doesn’t make too much sense. As for your description:

It’s possible I could have meant Craniocephalic (sounds like Craniocephalus) but the symptoms and treatment look more like craniosynostosis.

Treatment

Surgery is typically used to separate the fused sutures of the skull as well as to reshape the skull. To treat the cosmetic troubles, a combination of orthodontic and orthognathic surgery can be used to relieve some of the midface deficiency.

Typical surgery begins with a zigzag incision from ear to ear across the top of the head. The scar left by this type of incision makes the hair look more natural than that left by a straight incision would. Leroy clips are typically used to curtail bleeding, as cauterization would not result in an aesthetically pleasing result upon healing. Once the scalp is peeled back, pilot holes are drilled through the skull. These pilot holes are then connected, separating the skull into several pieces. Once reshaped, these pieces are placed back on the head (typically in an altered configuration) and held together by a combination of dissolving sutures, plates, and screws. These plates and screws are typically composed of a copolymer comprised of polyglycolic and polylactic acid and will break down into water and carbon dioxide within a year. Demineralized bone matrix or bone morphogenetic proteins are often used to fill gaps left by the expanded skull, encouraging the body to grow new bone in a process called intramembranous ossification. Once the hemostatic scalp clips are removed, sutures are again used to close the incision.

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 03:51 am

The UK Telegraph gets it:
Matt Drudge: world’s most powerful journalist
Reuters, Zogby, and most American get it:
Nearly 70 percent of Americans believe traditional journalism is out of touch, and nearly half are turning to the Internet to get their news, according to a new survey.
DKK

LifeTrek on March 1, 2008 at 04:01 am
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There was absolutely no condemnation by Peabrain in his post. The point of his post was about the Prince and how Peabrain doesn’t have much use for famous people but the Prince gets some kudos for going to Afghanistan.

The outing of the prince by Drudge was limited to a mention in two sentences of the entire post.  No one can really believe on this blog that if the NY times or the WAPO had done this that you righties here would be anything but apoplectic about the MSM.  My mere mention of this on another thread was attacked by Peabrain and others.

So what does Peabrain go an do after I wrote about Drudge first outing the Prince on another thread? He writes about what a Prince the Prince is. But runs away from condeming Drudge and makes a lame attempt to lump Drudge in with the MSM.  And the rest of you jump on board.  Some of you limpwristedly feign outrage but it is not with the same gusto with which you would have gone after the MSM.

Why won’t you all just come out and condemn Drudge for what he did? It was Drudge, Drudge, Drudge.  Really, it is that simple, he did it and you want to lump him into the media to protect your rightie news guy.

andydakota on March 1, 2008 at 06:10 am

AndyDakota:  Actually, I agree with you 100%! Drudge’s decision to blow Prince Harry’s cover was - and is - morally indefensible.

And I am astonished that some conservatives on SAB would stoop to the lowest typically liberal defense of Matt Drudge’s behavior: “Well, everyone else was doing it.”


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on March 1, 2008 at 06:25 am

Once again sannitized made an entire thread revolve around its crying. And 12yearold, still waiting for that quote that clearly illustrates an open breach of security.

Many people were aware of Harry being deployed. Those who pay attention already knew that William was not going to any combat zone, he being the actual successor to Elizabeth. Charles is a non-starter, contaminated, and will never succeed to the Throne. Harry has chosen a career path in the military, and indications are that he will continue on. William is currently in primary pilot course, and will be going through the Staff Officer course.

And do you honestly believe tangos in that region did NOT know a Royal was there? Quite the bait, what? Drip a few sweet nothings in the right ears, intimate how Allah would give especial honor to any who killed one of the hated House of Windsor. Then sit back and kill them as they come slinking along. Callous? Ruthless? Bet your ass. The English have shown themselves masters at being both, and exploiting their enemies hatred of them.

Harry is back in England, him and William are probably discussing, in detail, his misadventures in the field. While Chuck sits by, whey faced and trembly as is usual for him. And Harry will do some face time, go on a Royal bender, find some lovely English Rose to make the 2 backed beast with, and one dark and foggy night in the spring, a lean, thumpingly hungover tommy, carrying too much gear than is really convenient, will trudge aboard one of the weekly milkrun birds headed east. Or southeast. Somethings getting ready to pop in Africa. And a good FIST is always welcome.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 1, 2008 at 06:43 am
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Hotel baby, just can’t bring yourself to condemn Drudge, can ya?  What a hypocrite, you and all the other righties here.  This is just hilarious the usuals here are hopelessly silent on their condemnation of Drudge like hotel, Rodney “he shouldn’t have published it” Graves, Robert 108, Neiman, Batone, Likwidshoe and last but not least, Peabrain.  Hello, anyone out there?

andydakota on March 1, 2008 at 06:53 am

I’m not sure why I’m even addressing the children in the room, Hannitized and andydakota, but I’ll do my best to explain to them that my condemnation of Drudge is there for anyone with basic reading and comprehension skills to see.

Here’s a small point the kids are missing: Drudge may have broken the story but worldwide media pounced on it as sson as they possibly could. So - my condemnation isn’t just limited to Drudge. There is far and enough to go around to the rest of an industry that has traded news for gossip.

Got that, kiddies? Now, scamper along and hijack another thread with your childish mewlings. Let the adults talk. Go on. Shoo.


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Pilgrim on March 1, 2008 at 07:00 am

PP, I could care less about Drudge, he is just another huckster hustling a buck.

Those who pay attention to such news knew that Harry was deployed to Afghanistan for quite some time. A report that his tour was canceled do to specific threats was false, he did go. The Taleban damn well knew. The tribes of the Hindu Kush have long memories, hold a grudge, you might say. And the English figure prominently in many of them. 12yrold here is all bent out of shape over Drudge. You got to ask, why? Some kid from the Dakotas is this upset about something said about the Royal Family of England?

Got to wonder, was 12yrold this pissed off about Geraldo breaching operational security on a live satellite feed while embedded with US troops in Iraq?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 1, 2008 at 07:07 am
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Again, Peabrain, where in the post is your condemnaton?  Actual language you used, please?

andydakota on March 1, 2008 at 07:08 am

Hey! Pil, we got 12 inches of snow over night. Don’t you wish you was here?!?!?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 1, 2008 at 07:09 am

Hotel,

Nope. It’s gonna be sunny and in the low 70’s here today, low fifties tonight.

It’ll be a campfire and adult beverages on the agenda this evening. No snow. Don’t you wish you were here????


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Pilgrim on March 1, 2008 at 07:12 am

And for the sake of clarity, in order to see what, exactly, was said at Drudge, I had to go to Briebart, then to a Drudge piece, then to his Homepage, then through his archives. I don’t have Drudge on any of my RSS news feeds. Just like I don’t have MSNBC or CBS or ABC. They are all fishwrap.


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2Hotel9 on March 1, 2008 at 07:19 am
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Waiting..... waiting...... condemnation, anyone??? anyone????

andydakota on March 1, 2008 at 07:23 am

Thats all coming soon enough for us. Global Warming, don’t ya know!

After boy is done bowling we are going to go shoot. Supposed to be a nice afternoon, get the sled out and run into some trees.

I just had an AFP article pop up, here is a bit 12yrold will doubtless screech about,"A number of British newspapers quoted foreign-based Islamists as agreeing that Harry’s role could incense radicals, but mainstream Muslim opinion in Britain has been largely supportive.”

Note that “mainstream Muslim” is buried in the last line of the piece. Sweet, huh!


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2Hotel9 on March 1, 2008 at 07:27 am

Hotel,

Sled? SLED ?

Yeeks.


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Pilgrim on March 1, 2008 at 07:31 am
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Peabrain writes, “Election 08, we are so screwed!” You are so right!  You have no credibility to talk about the MSM when you can’t even deal with what you have written.

Off for a fun day in the sun with 80 degree temps.

andydakota on March 1, 2008 at 07:39 am

Inner tubes are fun, too.

Here is more,"Prince Harry made the front-page of al-Quds al-Arabi, a pan-Arab newspaper published in London which is usually very critical of Anglo-American foreign policy. But the newspaper’s chief editor spoke highly of the young British royal. “It’s an extremely significant, important story for us. He’s the grandson of the Queen on the frontline,” said Abdelbari Atwan.

“He is giving a good example to his own people. He’s endangering his life and he’s not scared to fight for his country,” Mr Atwan said, addding that the newspaper had contrasted “the brother of the future British king fighting without publicity” to “Arab royal families who prefer to stay in their palaces and enjoy the oil wealth of their countries”. Lotsa folks chiming in.

And more blogy goodness!"I don’t think that they would have dared to put him in real danger there but now he’s been shown firing a machine gun at Muslims ...he becomes a big target. Harry likes to go to clubs and pubs — does that make them targets?”

12yrold will be hailing this as the “real” story. Watch and see.


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2Hotel9 on March 1, 2008 at 07:56 am

I all honesty, I would congratulate Drudge for perhaps saving his life by making this widely known.  I would also say Drudge knew of Harry’s deployment and kept the secret himself until the cat was out of the bag.

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atease on March 1, 2008 at 08:21 am
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There was absolutely no condemnation by Peabrain in his post. The point of his post was about the Prince and how Peabrain doesn’t have much use for famous people but the Prince gets some kudos for going to Afghanistan.

The outing of the prince by Drudge was limited to a mention in two sentences of the entire post.  No one can really believe on this blog that if the NY times or the WAPO had done this that you righties here would be anything but apoplectic about the MSM.

Exactly.

Andy gets it, ppares gets it, BAT1 gets it, Fox News gets it, NYT gets it, Asia online gets it, Telegraph gets it, WAPO gets it, timesonline gets it, CBS gets it, ABC gets it, CBS gets it, Memorandum.com gets it, lamplighternews gets it, as does virtually every media publication or article on the subject.

But Pilgrim the adult that he is offers nothing criticizing Drudge.  He merely states a fact about drudge’s involvement and pretends its a criticism.  Lame and transparent.

He then hides him behind the “media” and still never says a thing critical of Drudge, the man who is known world-wide as THE GUY responsible for this leak being exposed on a national level.

British Royal Prince Harry has been fighting in Afghanistan since late December — and has been directly involved in gun battle, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

New Idea revealed that Prince Henry was serving in Afghanistan in an article ... Until the U.S. Drudge Report blog picked it up. “Once Drudge had it

But the secret was revealed in two little-noticed articles in an Australian tabloid magazine, and then blasted into the global media spotlight Thursday by the Drudge Report Web site.

But the arrangement broke down today after news was leaked out on the US website the Drudge Report.

One Australian news magazine, New Idea, reported Harry’s deployment a month ago, but it was not until it was carried yesterday on the Drudge Report, a major American website, that the news embargo was lifted.

See a pattern here Pilgrim??

Hannitized on March 1, 2008 at 09:23 am

Hannitized: I think it was Henry Clay who once said, “It is difficult under the best of circumstances to concede a contest of wits when outwitted, but it is loathsome to do so in the presence of a vindictive opponent.”

My recommendation? Don’t hold your breath…


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on March 1, 2008 at 09:43 am

Hannitized:

You were incorrect...an obscure magazine then the story was picked up in a German newspaper then Drudge.

I see the pattern. You want us to blame Drudge, who is an independent, for repeating a story that somebody else printed.

All on the premise that Drudge is a conservative, which he is not.

You’re such an infant.

Carrick on March 1, 2008 at 09:57 am

I think any release at all creates the same security risks that blasting it on the internet does.

After all a Muslim in Germany could easily spot that mention in the “obscure” publication and forward that information to the Taliban.

Once it’s out it’s out.


The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.


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The Whistler on March 1, 2008 at 10:08 am

Carrick, Pilgrim, et al: What Drudge did was - and is - simply wrong and morally indefensible.

And the argument that, “Its Ok because everyone else was doing it”, sounds distressingly liberal in its tone.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on March 1, 2008 at 10:15 am

Carrick, Pilgrim, et al: What Drudge did was - and is - simply wrong and morally indefensible.

And the argument that, “Its Ok because everyone else was doing it”, sounds distressingly liberal in its tone.

But, Pparets, it is different if the guy doing this is a conservative darling, right? Seriously, you are right Drudge is a crud, despite his being prasied here by others. This was simply wrong! Period!

I don’t know this fellow personally, I