He Just Wanted To Be A Soldier

I’m not usually the most gracious of critics when it comes to Hollywood types – who often presume the mantle of a type of self-annoited unofficial royalty – or of genuine royalty, who can be the ultimate in pampered, spoiled, and out-of-touch-with-reality human beings.
But I have to step aside this time and give some respect where it is certainly due.
Britain’s Prince Harry paid the dues all young officers pay. And he wanted a role with his combat unit in Iraq. The media, of course, had a field day with this. The upshot of the media circus that followed was that there was no way to send him into combat with the soldiers he trained with without creating a deadly situation for himself – and them.
Every psycho that could be persuaded to strap a bomb to himself would have targeted him, every well trained terrorist unit would have done the same. He’d have been a great score for them, publicity-wise, a royal trophy, dead or alive, that they could have made much poltical hay of.
So….he didn’t get to deploy and do what he was trained to do.
But the British military had a little secret. For the past several weeks Prince Harry has been in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban with a front line unit. From all appearances he was doing quite well at it, too, and displayed the right attitude for it. A news photo shot of a ball hat he had on showed the logo on the back of the hat: We Do Bad Things To Bad People.
He’s been the guy who calls in airstrikes on enemy positions. No job for a weenie because it puts you right up front, close and personal with people who would dearly love to kill you because you are just absolutely ruining their day and their health records. He also went on foot patrol and engaged in combat.
And now he can’t do that anymore. Why? Because the media found out he was there.
We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world. And now the Brits have to pull him out because he has become what he so aptly describes as a “bullet magnet”. It doesn’t seem that he’s as worried about his own safety as much as for the safety of the soldiers around him. By default they share that danger. So he had to go.
Being a soldier, sailor, or marine is an honor. To be an officer or NCO and lead those people is an even greater honor. And to lead men in combat is the very epitome of the word. And that’s all this young officer wanted, to be able to lead men in combat. He could have found himself a very cushy job in some elite pretty regiment with ceremonial duties where the only blood that is drawn is the occasional paper cut, but that’s not what he desired.
He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now. And that’s a damn shame. He’s a Prince and can have just about anything he wants except this. It’s not something I would expect the pacifists or the leftists or the whiners to understand, but it was such a simple thing that he can’t have.
He just wanted to be a soldier.

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  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    realitydenyingboob seems to be under the misapprehension that I follow him about. Someone who cares might want to tell him about the e-mail notification features of threads one is commenting in.

    But hey, the other pigeon shits appreciate your helping soak up the fire of reason and facts poured onto the positions of sloth and ignorance.

  • Neiman

    And by the way, what IS the new meaning anyway?

    Limey = really swell shipman?

    I don’t know, I have been out for some time, but it is some variation of ‘you are a fucking sissy boy in a really ugly fucking uniform!’ It doesn’t matter, they don’t even try and define it, they don’t care, it is just to be rude!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Thank you for not following my comment by commenting about my comment.

  • carrick

    Hannitized, still stuck on stupid:

    The term Limey was originally meant to be an insult to a British person referencing thier cheapness, not because they want to prevent scurvy. How is preventing scurvy even an insult? You guys are seriously crazed.

    This based from some off-the-cuff remark somebody made on another thread.

    What a hoot.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Thank you for not reading that post Capt’n Jack.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Obviously, a head in the sand chawbacon such as you would certainly have no need to review the historical record.

    Oh, and thank you for not reading and responding to my previous comment.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I think any release at all creates the same security risks that blasting it on the internet does.

    After all a Muslim in Germany could easily spot that mention in the “obscure” publication and forward that information to the Taliban.

    Once it’s out it’s out.

  • Lestat

    The military, along with the CIC.

    Exactly, that is why the fourth estate has no legal obligation to protect state secrets. The whole purpose of a free press is to provide a check on governmental power.

    The obligation to keep secrets is with the government, not the press.

    Otherwise governments will excessively classify information. BTW the current administration has classified more information than any previous.

  • carrick

    Hannitized, I didn’t ignore your link, but it was little more than a person’s statement of their opinion.

    If you want something authoritative, try the dictionary. You won’t find your “definition” “thus essentially to call someone a ‘Limey’ is to insult them by implying they are a cheapskate or mostly concerned with profit (CASH).”

    Pparets: Matt Drudge’s actions in this matter are indefensible. Shame be on him and anyone else who did likewise.A person can only be “outed” once. That was done by the Australian magazine. End of story.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    andydakota,

    If you really hold that Matt Drudge is a “rightie” then there’s just not much point in either trying to reason with you, or hold an honest debate with you.

  • robert108

    But this thing with Prince Harry makes me wonder.

    Why? I see no connection with this story and our national security. I think it was bad judgment on Drudge’s part, but it’s not comparable to what the NYT has done in damaging US national security. My sympathies are with Prince Harry; if he wants to be a soldier, let him, and give him the same consideration you would any other soldier fighting for freedom.
    It’s still not a national security matter, though. That’s another dimension.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    The story was leaked by the royal family to get the prince out of harms way.

    That’s as good a theory as any I’ve heard.

    Drudge still sucks, though.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    2H9,

    It seems to this observer that Hannitzed‘s greatest enemy is his own lack of reading comprehension and a decidedly sub par education.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Our own pigeon shit Hannitized can (and does) write:

    Either way, the dude [Matt Drudge] was a slimy limey.

    Whereas Pilgrim does not.

    Which, when one takes a moment to consider, reflects well on Pilgrim and poorly on Hannitzed. Why? Because it’s not true. Drudge may (or may not) be slimy, but as an American Citizen, he is certainly no limey.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    And lacking the guts to accept the invitation to start his own reader blog and go on the record there as well. Then again, it would likely be about as frequently read and commented on as rdb’s six year old “news” stories.

  • robert108

    Who gets to decide what a military secret is?

    The military, along with the CIC.

    It was the UK who put everybody at increased risk, not the press.

    Agreed. The anger from most of the lefties here is BS.

  • Hannitized

    Would I have run the story, absolutely. It is news. The fact that the UK is putting the third in line to the throne in a war zone is news.

    Then you would be making a bad judgement call, by unnecessarily putting him in harms way so you can have your little story and rob him of his chances to fight in a normal way, with his mates.

    It’s sad you don’t put your heart and your mind before your twisted idea of what news is.

  • carrick

    Mindless hyperbole notwithstanding, Drudge may have done the young Prince a favor in highlighting a story that had already leaked

    Without knowing all of the facts, this is certainly a possibility. The British military could have easily have missed the original story, simply because they weren’t monitoring online information sources.

    It is stupid of course to assume that your enemy is not, especially with a high-value propaganda target like PH.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  • carrick

    Robert108:

    I doubt that Prince Harry’s presence on the battlefield was even classified material for British citizens.

    Not that this matters. There is no concept in secrecy as a “partially blown cover”. Once the information gets to the public domain in any form, it is considered blown.

    The distinction is that those with ill-intent are actively looking for the information. If Drudge could find it, they could too.

  • 2Hotel9

    Oops, that musta stung, and bet it leaves a mark, too.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Finally Proof admits that we are indeed down to one ally. You nailed that right.

    No, moron! I was trying to point out that you were still trying to get your story straight! (And inching closer!)
    You said earlier:

    support a guy who put our allies in danger.

    I said:

    Allies plural??

    I do admit that you are a moron. And I do admit that you used mindless hyperbole to accuse Drudge of “endangering our allies” (plural), when all he did was to repeat, confirm if you will, the presence of one soldier on the field of battle. That soldier was removed and you have not presented one iota of evidence that he or any of his fellows were ever in danger!

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    2H9,

    The world at his fingertips, restrained only by the reading comprehension of a 8th grader and the temperament of a two year old…

  • carrick

    Sorry, RBB. I like history. What can I say…

  • carrick

    Having given Hannitized plenty of rope to hang himself…

    From Introduction to Clinical Nutrition By Vishwanath M. Sardesai,

    In 1772, Captain James Cook was the first person to show that a long voyage could be undertaken without the crew developing scurvy, provided that the were supplied with fresh fruits and vegetables (including oranges and lemons) whenever they touched land. Since then, the British navy finally concluded that the results of Lind’s experiments were meaningful and in 1805 it adopted the use of lemon juince rations for all crews. At that times lemons were called limes, and the routine use of lime juice led to the term “limey” fto refer to a British seaman, a term now extended to all British.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    You say FICO

    I say FICA!

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Bradly,

    The clear consensus here is the Drudge should not have drawn attention to the otherwise obscure article, and that it was a serious lapse of professional judgment. When you write “I call treason, but who am I to do that?” you overlook some important issues.

    1. Prince Harry is a UK Citizen.
    2. Matt Drudge is an American Citizen
    3. UK Treason laws are applicable only to subjects of the United Kingdom
    4. Drudge’s deplorable actions do not rise to the level of Treason as defined in the U. S. Constitution, as the actions did not impact upon our Government.

    Leave the hyperbole on this particular issue to the pigeon shits, there being no shortage of them hereabouts.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Damn. Look at that boy dig. Did someone tell him there was a pony down there?

  • Hannitized

    Harry is a public figure and him being in a warzone is news.

    Its news after the fact, it’d irresponsible journalism if they talk about it while he is in battle, if it compromises his safety or the other troops. You don’t put your team in harms way unnecessarily.

    If he is captured it puts the UK in a compromising position.

    It shouldn’t, not any more than any other soldier. And now that it was reported, that chance is more likely, yes?

    If the UK wants to send him to war than that is their choice. If they can keep it secret, much the better. But the media has no business colluding with the government to keep secrets. It is not what they do.

    Should the media report on top-secret military operations in AF while they are happening, because it is leaked? Yes or no?

  • carrick

    Limes were used over lemons due to limes being more readily available from Britain’s own Caribbean colonies. The term is thought to have originated in the Caribbean in the 1880s.

    So the term originated in 1880s…. 10-15 years before the practice of carrying citrus fruit was instituted by the British navy. That’s really believable.

    LOL.

    Secondly, if as your other sources have suggested, the term limey originated in 1795, this would have occurred with the introduction of lemon juice to the British navy. The answer to this connundrum is, as I have documented, the two fruits were commonly described using the same name lime, so the etiology of the word actually traces back to the use of what we now call lemon juice to control scurvy.

    Thirdly, the replacement with limes was due to a protest by British lime growers (lemons grow better in subtropical regions like southern Florida) but limes grow best in the tropical islands controlled by Britain in the Caribbean). So it wasn’t over which cost more, it had more to do with domestic politics.

    We can assume for arguments sake that lemon juice was later replaced with lime juice, but that doesn’t explain why the term limey and limejuicer were already around. Was the term used disparagingly? Of course, but I doubt anybody except yourself and a few other quacks ever thought “The use of Lemons was preferred, limes were cheaper, thus the insult.”

    This is just plain old bunk.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    But the secret was revealed in two little-noticed articles in an Australian tabloid magazine

    Little noticed by whom? Are there no Muslim extremists in Australia? All it would take is one!
    Drudge repeated a story that was out there. The fact that he is not as far left of center as the MSM makes liberals jealous of his success.
    Maybe if there were only some kind of filter, or censor to keep details of Barry and Harry and things that are scary out of the news? Maybe Hannitized and his ilk would like that better?

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    2H9,

    What, chalk it up to his years of service in the Navy? Oh wait, he’s part of the pigeon shit platoon…

  • carrick

    I’ve come to the realization that Hannitized is deranged and needs help.

  • carrick

    And the Oxford American Dictionary is “my” dictionary. It’s the one on my computer, you childish little boy.

  • carrick

    This is not to defend Drudge here, I’ve already stated that I thought he was reckless to have run this story.

    The first person to publish the story is the one who blew its secrecy level. All it would have taken is one person with Taliban sympathies who is mining the data feed for stories about Harry to have determined where he was and what he was doing. Just because Hannitized didn’t learn about it until after Drudge doesn’t mean that people with evil intent wouldn’t have learned about it sooner.

    I’m frankly surprised they even tried this, given the probability he would become a target, and secondly would have kept him there for several weeks after his cover had been blown.

  • 2Hotel9

    PP, I could care less about Drudge, he is just another huckster hustling a buck.

    Those who pay attention to such news knew that Harry was deployed to Afghanistan for quite some time. A report that his tour was canceled do to specific threats was false, he did go. The Taleban damn well knew. The tribes of the Hindu Kush have long memories, hold a grudge, you might say. And the English figure prominently in many of them. 12yrold here is all bent out of shape over Drudge. You got to ask, why? Some kid from the Dakotas is this upset about something said about the Royal Family of England?

    Got to wonder, was 12yrold this pissed off about Geraldo breaching operational security on a live satellite feed while embedded with US troops in Iraq?

  • robert108

    If Drudge could find it, they could too.

    Absolutely. Unlike the NYT, which actively sought to reveal classified information to “get the President”(and endanger all of our military in the bargain, not just a few guys).

  • Lestat

    I might agree with your stance if the media weren’t so slanted, or if they were equally responsible about reporting both sides of the news, but they aren’t, and so they have become agents of those who seek to destroy our way of life. The only defense against that is to deny information to the enemy. Without a free country, the Constitution is merely an historical document. National Defense is primary. IMO, the media has created the need for secrecy, because they aren’t responsible in their duties.

    The Constitutional principle cannot be dependent on your perceived slant of the media. Either we have one or we don’t.

    Do you consider yourself a strict constructionist?

    If we were at total war instead of this limited war I might agree that constitutional protections need to be suspended. But we are not. The Union is not at risk. We should stand by our principles.

  • robert108

    The whole purpose of a free press is to provide a check on governmental power.

    That is not “the whole purpose of a free press”, especially when it comes to protecting the nation from its enemies. I guess you don’t know this, but there are many levels of classification. Some of them carry criminal penalties for any citizen to disclose. Just because the Bush administration has been soft on the NYT shouldn’t give you the idea that what they did was OK, or even legal.

    Otherwise governments will excessively classify information. Who makes the decision about what is “excessive”, a highly partisan media? BTW the current administration has classified more information than any previous. We are in a war with global terrorism, so there is worldwide information that needs to be classified, not just from one or two sources.

  • Lestat

    Free Press does not mean giving away military secrets, that is treason

    Who gets to decide what a military secret is?

    This certainly wasn’t one. Everybody who worked with him knew he was there. It was the UK who put everybody at increased risk, not the press.

  • Lestat

    Our protection, as Lincoln said, was the love of liberty by our people, who will allow such restrictions only as long as they see them necessary and no longer.

    The Civil War was a total war. Unless you know of a draft, a war bond program, a take over of our manufacturing plants by the military, than we are not at total war and should not be giving up our civil liberties.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    R108 supports Drudge who put our ally England in harm’s way. Righties lie, it’s all they have.

    When lefties do it, it’s just part of their delusional world view! But, at least we’re back down to only one ally now! :)

  • carrick

    In your mind..by that stupid article that couldnt spell correctly.

    Actually, I hand-typed that it, shit-for-brains.

    It’s from a scholarly source, which I’ll against the ruminations of somebody on the web that you found, then tried in your intellectually lying-sack-of-shit fashion to pawn to us as if it were authoritative.

    You aren’t proving anything here except what an abject anti-intellectual idiot you are.

    LMAO.

  • Lestat

    so why is Freedom of the Press the only one you would hold sacred and inviolable?

    When have I not stood up for the freedom of speech or religion?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive
    Drudge repeated a story that was out there.

    You are making a non-point

    Why doesn’t it surprise me that is there is subtlety and nuance in a point that Hannitzied would be totally blind to it?

    What part of “All it would take is one!” didn’t you understand. (Operators are standing by with dictionaries!) :)

  • robert108

    I love the smell of mindless leftie personal attack in the morning…it smells like victory.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I see still no condemnation from Pilgrim, Whistler, R108 or Proof. You have now become terrorist sympathizers since you and Drudge are fine with putting our allies in harm’s way

    Terrorist sympathizers??? Bravo, andy! That has to be the biggest, most convoluted piece of horse hockey I’ve seen in many years!
    But, considering the horse’s rear that is andydakota, that makes a certain amount of sense!

  • robert108

    All most people have ever been asked to do is go shopping.

    You recite the predictable Marxist/Leninist description of our free enterprise system and our free society. In your mind, we would all be better being under “the dictatorship of the proletariat”, I presume.

  • carrick

    Robert108:

    It’s not an insult; you just made that up.

    Actually it illustrates the problems with non-authoritative sources. And with poor manners, because H is looking like toast at this point from my seat.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    SUMMARY,

    SayAnythingDexter holds that Drudge should NOT have drawn attention to the article in an obscure Australian woman’s magazine which mentions the presence of the UK’s Prince Harry with his unit in Afghanistan, and that it was a serious lapse of professional judgment on his part.

    SayAnythingSinister holds that Drudge is somehow a creature of the right (news to all of us) and thus demonstrates the hypocrisy of the right (despite clear approbrium from SayAnythingDexter).

    Another bad case of Identity Politics and mind numbing spin by SayAnythingSinister.

  • Hannitized

    It is an editorial decision. I don’t think they should be barred from it.

    It is the government’s responsibility to keep it secret, not the press’.

    Yes, an editorial decision. And if they made the decision to not report it, you can’t call it censorship or collusion. It’s merely responsible reporting and it was an irresponsible story to report. And it was unnecessary to report it at this time ( i think).

  • Hannitized

    Again, you guys think you so smart because you know half an answer but you dont know WHY it is an insult aside from the fact that they ate limes.

    Why is it an insult? Because they were being cheap, they were more preoccupied with MONEY.

    Dipshits.

    You just cant handle that I always have a deeper understanding than you do. Typical righties.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071011014553AABOB7o

    Limey is an old American and Canadian slang nickname for the British, originally referring to British sailors. The term is believed to derive from lime-juicer, referring to the Royal Navy and Merchant Navy practice of supplying lime juice to British sailors to prevent scurvy in the 19th century. The term is derogatory in the sense that the British would be allegedly more preoccupied with the savings of limes over lemons which were traditionally used to prevent scurvy. The term is thought to have originated in the Caribbean in the 1880s. A false etymology is that it is a derivative of “Corr-blimey” (“God blind me!”).

  • Hannitized

    It’s not an insult; you just made that up.

    Um, do i need to explain what “derisive” means to you as well????

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=limey&searchmode=none

    1888, Australian, New Zealand, and South African slang for “English immigrant;” U.S. use is attested from 1918, originally “British sailor, British warship,” short for lime-juicer (1857), in derisive reference to the British Navy’s policy (begun 1795) of issuing lime juice on ships to prevent scurvy among sailors. In Amer.Eng., extended to “any Englishman” by 1925.

    Actually it illustrates the problems with non-authoritative sources. And with poor manners, because H is looking like toast at this point from my seat.Limey

    Etymology.com is a non-authoritative source? You are not winning this argument in the least.

    Limey is an old American and Canadian slang nickname for the British, originally referring to British sailors. The term is believed to derive from lime-juicer, referring to the Royal Navy and Merchant Navy practice of supplying lime juice to British sailors to prevent scurvy. The benefits of citrus juice were well known at the time thanks to the acute observations of surgeon James Lind who noticed that the cabbage eating Dutch had fewer problems with scurvy. Limes were used over lemons due to limes being more readily available from Britain’s own Caribbean colonies. The term is thought to have originated in the Caribbean in the 1880s. A false etymology is that it is a derivative of “Corr-blimey” (“God blind me!”).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British

  • Hannitized

    realitydenyingboob seems to be under the misapprehension that I follow him about. Someone who cares might want to tell him about the e-mail notification features of threads one is commenting in.

    Beyond comical. Why even bother to pretend that you weren’t talking to him? How silly.

  • carrick

    English sailors used to cary limes on board to help prevent scurry, hence the denotation “limey”.

  • 2Hotel9

    Naw. It is simply the fact you are a liar.

  • carrick

    Speaking of gibbering idiots:

    Yes, instead of lemons you idiot. Thats why they get the signifier you complete moron.

    That territory has already been covered and the village idiot named Hannitized still won’t admit that he’s wrong:

    In the 18th century, lemons were commonly called limes. Actually I was aware of this from my wife, who is plant grower.

    Of course, the modern lemon is a recent hybrid. The lemons that were first brought over were not considered edible and were used primarily for ornamental purposes until relatively recent hybrids appeared.

    In the same way that British Soldiers were called Limeys by the way, the ships were referred to as “limejuicers”.

    But the fruit could have been either lemons or limes, at the time the name referred to both fruit, as I’ve already established above.

    Hannitized is just too big of a baby to admit he’s wrong, or this thread would be dead already.

  • Hannitized

    And lacking the guts to accept the invitation to start his own reader blog and go on the record there as well. Then again, it would likely be about as frequently read and commented on as rdb’s six year old “news” stories.

    It’s not that I don’t have the gut’s Rodney, it’s really a matter of time. I have the time to quickly peruse through the posts and make comments. But I hardly have time enough to do that in addition to creating a post. But, I am considering it. I’ll do it and I appreciate Robs genuine offer, I just won’t be able to create many posts, I guess.

    It’s a bit over the top to make a personal attack out of my reaction Rodney. Dont’cha think?

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    realitydenyingboob,

    You mean you posted another six year old news story? Glad I quit reading you awhile ago, who needs recycled “news”?

  • carrick

    Further, if you read the articles all of them say the story went unnoticed until Drudge ran with it. So there is really no escaping that it was drudges fault that the mass media dispersed the information.

    I could care less. Look, Drudge shouldn’t have ran that story, regardless of how many other news organizations (up to six now?) had already run it. It was reckless and wrong for him to do it, just as it was wrong for them to report it initially.

    Satisfied?

    As far as I can see you’re trying to buffalo him for an overall pattern in the press because of your errant notion that he is a conservative.

    Your whole argument is just silly.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Damn.

    That title gets me where I live. When that is your driving ambition, no amount of logic will assuage the deep feelings of guilt for *not being* a soldier.

    At least Harry had his moment in the sun and did serve in combat. Better yet, barring any last-minute accidents, he will live to revel in that time.

    Drudge!

    What the HELL were you thinkin’ boy?

    SMACK!

    (walks off grumbling)

  • http://oregonguythinks.blogspot.com/ OregonGuy

    “He has balls.”

    “I like balls.”

    (“Team America: World Police”, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, 2004)

  • Lestat

    No one here has defended Drudge. We’ve all made it pretty clear what he did was dispicible.

    I have. Drudge did nothing wrong. He had a story and went with it. It was already in the press, just not widely dessiminated, so there can be no claim of secrecy.

    He did the job of the fourth estate. Keeping government secrets is not the media’s job.

    BTW, I think the Drudge Report is largely a partisan hit blog. I have no respect for him, but in this he did nothing wrong.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    The story was leaked by the royal family to get the prince out of harms way.

    Now, no one can say he didn’t serve.

  • carrick

    I’m afraid I’m more along the lines of 2Hotel9. Watching this poorly behaved child make a fool out of himself has been extremely entertaining.

    I don’t pity the fool though, because he deserves himself.

  • robert108

    I have just stuck up for Drudge.

    Drudge is no conservative, but I suppose in your value system, anyone who isn’t a far-left revolutionary is “conservative”. Again, your bias is evident.

    The government is breaking the laws in secret, so we don’t know exactly what the impact is.

    And yet, the NYT could(and would) reveal it if it were happening, so you are simply wrong there.
    It is you lefties who want totalitarian rule: Dem President, Dem Congress, Dem SCOTUS and the Dem MSM in charge of propaganda. If you really favored freedom of the press and speech, you would be railing against the partisanship of the MSM, and reviling the so-called “Fairness Doctrine”, but you aren’t. Instead, you want our national security to be compromised. You lefties are so transparent.

  • Hannitized

    Yeah Hannitized . . .

    a picture of a BIG LEMON.

    LOL…..that was good.

  • Bat One

    I’ll be only too willing to condemn Matt Drudge for printing this and putting not just Harry, but all his “mates” at risk by making his identity and whereabouts public. And I’m the one who posted the article this morning about Drudge being “the single most powerful journalist in the world today.” And that according to UK paper!

    Now then, which of our self-righteous liberals is going to come forward and condemn the New York Times? H… Andy… which of you has the courage of the convictions you insist on in others to be morally and rationally consistent?

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    The New York Times would print troop ship timetables if they had them.

    Pinch Sulzberger would probably print the secret identities of CIA agents doing dangerous work, if someone gave that info to him.

    Now, unfortunately, I have to wonder if Drudge wouldn’t do the same thing.

  • robert108

    Sally: Maybe he’s suffering from cerebral hemorrhoids.

  • Hannitized

    As an aside, I disagree with those who have identified The Drudge Report as a right wing media outlet. It is close to being balanced which might look right wing compared to some others.

    Whatever, I am not interested in debating that. BAT claimed him as a right winger and I asked him to condemn him. He did. Good enough for me.

    And your comparison was weak. You can blame the Democrats because you want to, but I am not interested in blaming the Media because Drudge ran with it.

    In the same way I dont blame the Media for the McCain story, I dont blame them for this story. It was the NYTs fault and its Drudges.

    You still dont get it. ITS NOT THE MEDIAS FAULT. ITS DRUDGES. He was the spoiler….

  • carrick

    LOL. Figured it out. Hannitized had my entry mistaken for Robert108′s who obviously did use Merriam-Webster.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I thought the rhetorical conflagration was a nice touch. Drudge repeats a story about the identity of one soldier in theater, and in what passes for a mind of andydakota, it comes out:

    support a guy who put our allies in danger.

    Allies plural?? As in Great Britain and…??? Apparently, young Prince Harry is a more fearsome warrior than we’d first suspected!

    Mindless hyperbole notwithstanding, Drudge may have done the young Prince a favor in highlighting a story that had already leaked! (Much like andydakota’s Depends! ) :)

  • carrick

    Here’s a second source. I always like two sources. This is from Jan Reimer, a chemical physicist.

    With Cook’s successful legacy one would expect that British navy expeditions from that point on would be scurvy free. Not so. In the early 1800′s, tinned food was invented. They also switched from lemons,which they erroneously call limes, to bottled lemon juice, a process which destroyed the vitamin C.

    I believe that the other sources are correct that the British Navy later switched to limes, and for the reasons I’ve given. I’ve not found anything I would consider a primary source for that one, though.

  • carrick

    As to the question, it presumes that there is anything necessarily insulting in calling somebody a limey, any more than it would be insulting to call their ship a
    limejuicer.

    Hey boy wonder, why would I refer Drudge as a British guy or a sailor anyway?

    I give. Because you’re just stupid? Drudge is neither a sailor nor British.

  • Andrew

    It’s possible I could have meant Craniocephalic (sounds like Craniocephalus) but the symptoms and treatment look more like craniosynostosis.

    Well craniocephalic is just an anatomical term, not a medical condition. Craniosynotosis makes more sense since that leads to the deformity craniostenosis.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    What a world we live in, when we have to assume that even the Taliban read Drudge.

  • Hannitized

    S,

    What ever it is you think you said, you missed the point. I suggest you re-read my comments and identify the correct target.

  • Hannitized

    I had read once what salt water does to the brain, but was unaware that there were any living examples. That you are even able to type in your vegatative state is outstanding.

    Hmm? What to do here? I have a problem attacking you evenhandedly Sally, because you are of course a woman. I refrain from the word lady, because your manners speak quite to the contrary.

    I encourage you to make an argument in instead of ad hominem. I realize, of course, that will be a challenge for you. But nevertheless, you will score no points with me by behaving in this manner.

    I liked it when you talked science, it was kind of hot. You can keep talking to me like that. Please.

  • carrick

    Hannitized:

    You were incorrect…an obscure magazine then the story was picked up in a German newspaper then Drudge.

    I see the pattern. You want us to blame Drudge, who is an independent, for repeating a story that somebody else printed.

    All on the premise that Drudge is a conservative, which he is not.

    You’re such an infant.

  • carrick

    H, fair enough.

  • Lestat

    On what Constitutional basis?

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Simply put, the government can’t make laws that restrict what the press can report.

  • Hannitized

    Pilgrim condemned Drudge.

    Really? Show me the quote!! If its there, I missed it. But I am looking for the clarification. Just show me Kenny.

    And now he can’t do that anymore. Why? Because the media found out he was there.

    NO! Drudge found out, because of Drudge….say it Pilgrim. Don’t blame the media once information is out by the offender, it is no longer secret.

    You guys are shameless.

  • andydakota

    Waiting….. waiting…… condemnation, anyone??? anyone????

  • Hannitized

    It is also how the media works best. Once the media decides to start protecting governments than they cease their role as a watchdog and we are all worse off.

    It’s not the medias job to report on an individuals whereabouts in war when who is risking his life.

    This has nothing to do with protecting governments Lestat. The media has an obligation to report what is important and they should make judgement calls, they did the right thing by sitting on it and protecting Harry.

  • Hannitized

    Your simply being a lying little schmuck by pretending that Pilgrim is condemning everyone except the Only Person He Actually Named. And we both know it.

    Give me a break. He didnt say anything negative about Drudge and you know it. Instead, you argue that he mentions Drudge, in passing while he condemns the media.

    That is just boring and juvenile. Again, every article on this subject blames who? The media? NO. Drudge.

    He didnt give Drudge the condemnation he deserved and you know it. Partisan puke.

  • Lestat

    Its news after the fact, it’d irresponsible journalism if they talk about it while he is in battle, if it compromises his safety or the other troops. You don’t put your team in harms way unnecessarily.

    It is the government’s responsibility to protect their soldiers, not the medias.

    If he is captured it puts the UK in a compromising position.

    It shouldn’t, not any more than any other soldier. And now that it was reported, that chance is more likely, yes?

    Maybe his capture shouldn’t effect the UK more than any other soldier, but that is not reality. He is third in line to the ceremonial throne of England. Their real power is limited, bt their symboism is undeniable.

  • Hannitized

    Excuse me..again, I meant Pilgrims stupid distortions. I get so used to Rob distorting, contorting and lying that I forget which hack I am talking about.

  • Hannitized

    Excuse me, I meant Robs stupid distortions. I get so used to Rob distorting, contorting and lying that I forget which hack I am talking about. Heh.

  • Hannitized

    or 2. He is blaming everyone who ran the story INCLUDING Drudge (who was the only person named, no AP, no New York Times, just Drudge).

    Arent you bored running with that dog Kenny? That dog don’t hun’t son.

    Nobody is blaming the “Media” except Pilgrim. Every freakin article blames DRUDGE. Get it…..NOW…..K E N N Y ?

    No, you don’t because defending your boy is the only thing you care about.

    Additionally there is no condemnation of Drudge, only the “media”. Further, stating a fact about Drudge’s involvement, serious involvement isn’t a criticism.

    You just don’t understand how words work together.

    Pilgrim is letting Drudge go without saying one disparaging thing. Not one. Pathetic.

  • 2Hotel9

    sannitized? You lied! What is up with that? You LIED. Over and over. You. Lied. Liar, liar, anus on fire. Just another lying assed, America hater. Come on! Spin us some more lies, liar.

  • robert108

    …CIA agents doing dangerous work…

    Not Beltway desk jockeys. Big difference.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Hey Capt’n Jack, that’s that alliteration that’s always around, astounding in its assholiness.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Of course, Hannitized has a history of objecting to information being exposed to the light of day.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Nutters crack me up.

  • 2Hotel9

    You called Matt Drudge a Limey, he is an American, from Tacoma Park, MD, not an Englishman. You screwed up. You got your ass handed to you. And it will continue. Why? Your too stupid to figure out you are wrong.

    According to the 1900 edition of Encyclopedia Brittanica, the term dates back to the period just prior to the War of 1812. It was a pejorative used by American merchant seamen who were impressed into service aboard Royal Navy ships, and its use was punishable by lashing and reduction of their daily rations. No were does it mention “being cheap” as a secondary definition.

    Add to that the small fact that Drudge owns multiple, expensive homes and cars, and donates substantial sums of money to various charities, and you are doubly wrong.

    Oh, and had you scrolled farther down in the maplethread you originally used to justify your stupidity you would have seen that several people set him straight as to the actual definition and usage of the term “Limey”. Wrong at every single turn.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    I see no evidence that Drudge has, in any way, compromised US national security.

    No me neither Robert, and I hope he has the good judgement not to.

    But this thing with Prince Harry makes me wonder.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    realitydenyingboob plays true to form. Now “nice.”

  • robert108

    Now, unfortunately, I have to wonder if Drudge wouldn’t do the same thing.

    I see no evidence that Drudge has, in any way, compromised US national security.

  • 2Hotel9

    “And that clarification on his condemnation would be where, Kenny?
    andydakota on March 2, 2008 at 05:14 am”

    In the original post, 12yrold.

    A note, PH was given the nickname”Bullet Magnet” shortly after they began operations. If no one knew a Royal was there, why would he be drawing more fire than anyone else?

    And as for Super Journalist(what a fucking joke) Matt Drudge, a bit of a let down from the MoD,”But details of his time in combat were published in Australian magazine New Idea and picked up by the US-based website the Drudge Report after 10 weeks on the front line.” Oops! Who leaked what when? Seems a few leftards owe Pilgrim a massive apology. Don’t hold your breath, Pil.

    For the disingenuous leftards, a direct quotation of the headline,” Australian magazine broke Prince Harry story

    By Nick Squires in Sydney
    Last Updated: 2:18am GMT 01/03/2008

    Australians angrily condemned the decision of a weekly women’s magazine to break the news blackout on Prince Harry’s deployment to Afghanistan.” And the link to the full article. Of particular note is the date that New Idea ran their article, January 7. Drudge ran it on Feb 28. See how that works? Hello? Leftarded morons? Got a clue yet?

  • Lestat

    Tell it to the NYT, leftie!

    Thanks for adding something to the conversation. Go spew your hate on some other thread.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I am simply saying NYT, WAPO and everyone else wouldn’t have got this slight. Cmon Kenny….we can meet in the middle here.

    Personally, I feel that Pilgrim was relatively light on everyone. The condemnation was more on the leftists, but I certainly don’t think it fair to say he gave Drudge a pass.

    I think wherever Drudge got the story (because all Drudge does is trawl the biggest newspapers and link to their stories…and it’s probably an English paper), the author and editor and owner (everyone who authorized the story) should be charged with treason or sedition or conspiring against the crown. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, Drudge did no crime, so he can’t be tried, and, since most of the people offended don’t go to his site, a “boycott” doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot (and since I don’t go to the site, I don’t know what, if any, advertisers he has).If it was American soldiers, I’d be OK with charging Drudge AND EVERYONE ELSE who ran it with treason. Simply pointing out that someone else ran the story first doesn’t excuse you from breaking the law too.

    Maybe next time you’ll be a tad more fair not only with me, but with the other people here too? (Even if Pilgrim wasn’t “sufficiently harsh” on Drudge, that’s not the same thing as him getting a pass.” Sometimes, H, you come across as a fair, honest person who just has a different opinion. Others you seem like someone with an axe to grind against all us “evil right wingers”, and are just looking for a reason, no matter how slim to impugn us. I’d prefer to have you in column A, bud. Even if I could understand you taking issue with the original article under your reasoning, once Pilgrim issued a clarification, you should’ve given him the benefit of the doubt. When you didn’t you crossed into Column B.

  • Hannitized

    I see the pattern. You want us to blame Drudge, who is an independent, for repeating a story that somebody else printed.

    Carrick,

    In addition to the great points made by both pparets and Nieman, Pilgrim didn’t seem mention this, and he certainly didnt clarify afterwards that he was aware. So the criticism still stands.

    Further, if you read the articles all of them say the story went unnoticed until Drudge ran with it. So there is really no escaping that it was drudges fault that the mass media dispersed the information.

  • Hannitized

    Sorry Lestat, I just was surprised that you aren’t rooting for Henry. Hes fighting the guys who are our enemies. He’s trying to do the right thing.

    No man should rob another of that chance.

    I would have liked to see you have a principle worth having. I don’t see any logical or honorable reason for you to hold that position.

  • Hannitized

    Wrong. I just don’t like arguing in pointless circles with obtuse fools.

    That’s a load of crap. You just can’t bring yourself to say anything disparaging about Drudge. You can’t criticize him in the way you would WAPO, NYT..er..anyone you think is the MSM.

    We get it Pilgrim. You aren’t getting away with crap…trust me.

    Calm down, dude. You’ll wet your pampers. There there….shhhhhhhh. It’s all right.

    MMMM……what was that you were saying about adults? Give me a break. Youre a chump.

    Even people on YOUR side know it. You can ignore me and you can ignore reality, it’s what you do best. But you can’t ignore history and history has spoken.

  • Lestat

    Lestat, one think you seem to overlook is the greater good.

    No I think you do. A free press is more important tha n a Prince staying in combat two more weeks.

  • Hannitized

    Now then, which of our self-righteous liberals is going to come forward and condemn the New York Times? H… Andy… which of you has the courage of the convictions you insist on in others to be morally and rationally consistent?

    Why would I defend the NYT? I don’t even read it. Of course I condemn ANY paper, article, blog, news report, pundit or reporter who makes stories based on second hand information, with no proof.

    Absolutely I condemn that. My integirty isn’t in question here. I rarely, if ever watch CBS, ABC or NBC. I watch FoxNews and PBS.

    She’s way, way out of your league.

    I doubt that. If she was that smart she would have gone with a cranial skull deformity that can sometimes impede speech. Perhaps cranial cephalus, instead of something that speaks to nonsense.

  • Hannitized

    Hey Dipshit,

    So limey mens sailor and that’s it? Further, why did you ignore my link? Is it because you don’t like the answer? Yes.

    Fact of the matter is Robert, I proved that a accurate definition exists. You can’t deal with it, and any additional information you provide means nothing.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    At the very least I think it makes sense to have an avatar?

    Yeah Hannitized . . .

    a picture of a BIG LEMON.

  • http://crusader-rabbit.blogspot.com/ kg

    I believe it was an Australian women’s magazine, “New Idea” which broke the story first.
    They now claim they had no idea his presence in Afghanistan was a secret.

  • robert108

    I’m just amazed, once again, at the leftie hypocrisy here. When the NYT was revealing US secrets, the leftie meme was “the peoples’ right to know”, but now that someone you incorrectly define as conservative(or in your stupidity, “a rightie”) honors the peoples’ right to know about a foreign soldier, you explode in self-righteous anger. Too funny.

  • robert108

    The funny part is that it’s the Master Baiter who is the stalker on this blog.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    I could care less.

    So C, you care?

  • carrick

    So what was that theory about limeys again, Hannitized?

    Did you have a point about the dictinary entry?

    Was I supposed to use Merriam Webster or OAD? It’s on my Mac, and it doesn’t give me any identifying information. From memory, I thought it was OAD.

    Beyond that, do you have any point at all, other than you can’t behave?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    andydakota and mindless hyperbole

  • Hannitized

    ssuming it can be established that stuff really was lime juice they were distributing.. I still consider it speculative that limey = tightwad (for example). That still sounds like a big stretch.

    Thank you. I can meet in the middle here Carrick.

    I only wanted to prove that it is reasonable for people to have the interpretation I do.

    Its absolutely reasonable for people to have the interpretation you do. But I was the one who was attacked, wasnt I?

    Now you can go back to acting like a little child. It’s what you do best.

    Hardly, look at how this conversation started. By Rodney being a dick. I was merely commenting on Drudge, and he deserved it.

  • pparets

    Hannitized: Give me a break! You have submitted many comments here that were longer and took more time than a post! And [gulp] one out of every 10 was actualy pretty good! Register. Sign Up. Get Busy.

    Remember, it was me who suggested you do that, some months ago.

    Hell, you may as well get membership benefits while getting your butt kicked 25 times a night! :)

  • andydakota

    Hotel baby, just can’t bring yourself to condemn Drudge, can ya? What a hypocrite, you and all the other righties here. This is just hilarious the usuals here are hopelessly silent on their condemnation of Drudge like hotel, Rodney “he shouldn’t have published it” Graves, Robert 108, Neiman, Batone, Likwidshoe and last but not least, Peabrain. Hello, anyone out there?

  • robert108

    It’s sad you don’t put your heart and your mind before your twisted idea of what news is.

    Tell it to the NYT, leftie!

  • Joseph

    Great tribute Pilgrim. Thank you.

    The prince comes form good stock. There is a good military tradition in the royal family. But I always think of the Lady that informed him he was going. The Queen. She is quite a lady. During the worst of WWII when Germany was bombing the hell out of London she would not leave. Instead she was everywhere showing she cared. Winston Churchhill was vital, but the future Queen proved to be the heart and soul of the United Kingdom.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Pinch Sulzberger would probably print the secret identities of CIA agents doing dangerous work, if someone gave that info to him.

    No that would be Richard Lee Armitage, Bob Novak and the office of the Vice President.

    Bruster Jennings anyone?

  • carrick

    Anything but that argument again!!!

    You’re right Hannitzed… The word origin does appear to be the 1880s, so your theory is in play, assuming it can be established that stuff really was lime juice they were distributing.. I still consider it speculative that limey = tightwad (for example). That still sounds like a big stretch.

    Now you can go back to acting like a little child. It’s what you do best.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Amazing the issues/baggage some folks bring with them.

  • 2Hotel9

    sannitized spins more gooder than a blender!

  • andydakota

    So, I see still no condemnation from Pilgrim, Whistler, R108 or Proof. You have now become terrorist sympathizers since you and Drudge are fine with putting our allies in harm’s way. Such hypocrisy from you righties!

  • Hannitized

    Again,

    I am just going to keep hammering you dipshits every-time you open your ignorant mouths.

    Limey

    Limey is an old American and Canadian slang nickname for the British, originally referring to British sailors. The term is believed to derive from lime-juicer, referring to the Royal Navy and Merchant Navy practice of supplying lime juice to British sailors to prevent scurvy. The benefits of citrus juice were well known at the time thanks to the acute observations of surgeon James Lind who noticed that the cabbage eating Dutch had fewer problems with scurvy. Limes were used over lemons due to limes being more readily available from Britain’s own Caribbean colonies. The term is thought to have originated in the Caribbean in the 1880s. A false etymology is that it is a derivative of “Corr-blimey” (“God blind me!”).

    My argument:

    Limeys over lemons? CHECK!

    Limeys derisive? CHECK!

    Limes were used and were different from Lemons? CHECK!

    The only thing you can’t piece together is WHY IS IT DERISIVE? ANSWER: see above you complete morons!

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    So, I see still no condemnation from Pilgrim, Whistler, R108 or Proof. You have now become terrorist sympathizers since you and Drudge are fine with putting our allies in harm’s way. Such hypocrisy from you righties!

    Andy, we don’t make you apologize for Pol Pot, Maozedong or Stalin, do we?

    These guys are not obligated to condemn anyone.

  • Pilgrim

    Hotel,

    Nope. It’s gonna be sunny and in the low 70′s here today, low fifties tonight.

    It’ll be a campfire and adult beverages on the agenda this evening. No snow. Don’t you wish you were here????

  • andydakota

    Where, Hotel? Please quote the exact section of his post wherein Peabrain specifically condemns Drudge? It’s not there, but you and the other rightie Drudge apologists will continue to support a guy who put our allies in danger. You are what you decry on the left.

  • Hannitized

    A surprise birthday party is news too, but you dont spoil it by reporting it prior to it the surprise being complete.

    Only a floppy penis would do something like that, thus, Drudge is a quite the rooster.

    Apparently, so are you. Sad.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Arent you bored running with that dog Kenny? That dog don’t hun’t son.
    Nobody is blaming the “Media” except Pilgrim. Every freakin article blames DRUDGE. Get it…..NOW…..K E N N Y ?

    I AM bored with repeating the painfully obvious. The dog doesn’t have to hunt. It’s already brought it dinner weeks ago.

    Twist and twist again Hannity. I’m still right.

    No, you don’t because defending your boy is the only thing you care about.

    If you’ll remember, I was on your side about that Obama/Weathermen thing. And when Bat One and the rest were talking about “bankrupt lefties”, I was defending you. And you’re certainly not “my boy”. I call them as I see them.

    Additionally there is no condemnation of Drudge, only the “media”. Further, stating a fact about Drudge’s involvement, serious involvement isn’t a criticism.

    Drudge is the LEADER of the story. So if the story shouldn’t have been run, and the EEEEVVVVIIIIIL media was wrong to run it, then so was Drudge. Pointing out that Drudge led the media in this story, then condemning the media…IS condemning Drudge.

    You know what kills me about this is your BLATANT dishonesty. “The media, led, surprisingly, by Drudge“. Any criticism of the “media” HAS to include their “leader” Drudge. Hell, you’re not even using logic here. You’re just saying whatever the hell you want.

  • carrick

    Hannitized can’t read or reason. Try this H and get back to us:

    You were incorrect…an obscure magazine then the story was picked up in a German newspaper then Drudge.

  • Hannitized

    What’s funny is that in defense of Pilgrim, you end up disagreeing with him.

    Pilgrims argument is that its terrible that the meanie media ruined Harry’s chances to fight. Neglecting to give Drudge the fair share of blame, he still points the finger at the media, even thought everyone knows it was really Drudge to make this world wide news.

    So when you say it’s fair game, you are disagreeing with Pilgrims criticism of the “media”.

    Some of you are making some incredible logical back-flips in the process.

  • Lestat

    Should the media report on top-secret military operations in AF while they are happening, because it is leaked? Yes or no?

    It is an editorial decision. I don’t think they should be barred from it.

    It is the government’s responsibility to keep it secret, not the press’.

  • 2Hotel9

    12yrold, exactly what is your problem with Drudge? You have made clear in the past that you hate the military and all in it. You have made clear in the past that you hate America and support Muslim terrorists. You obviously don’t give a shit about Prince Harry, and your inability to comprehend what you read is self-evident.

    So whats your boggle? Matt bang your mother and then refuse to pay her? Did he run over your puppy? Come on, tell us your tale of woe. We won’t laugh to much.

  • andydakota

    Finally Proof admits that we are indeed down to one ally. You nailed that right.

  • Hannitized

    There was absolutely no condemnation by Peabrain in his post. The point of his post was about the Prince and how Peabrain doesn’t have much use for famous people but the Prince gets some kudos for going to Afghanistan.

    The outing of the prince by Drudge was limited to a mention in two sentences of the entire post. No one can really believe on this blog that if the NY times or the WAPO had done this that you righties here would be anything but apoplectic about the MSM.

    Exactly.

    Andy gets it, ppares gets it, BAT1 gets it, Fox News gets it, NYT gets it, Asia online gets it, Telegraph gets it, WAPO gets it, timesonline gets it, CBS gets it, ABC gets it, CBS gets it, Memorandum.com gets it, lamplighternews gets it, as does virtually every media publication or article on the subject.

    But Pilgrim the adult that he is offers nothing criticizing Drudge. He merely states a fact about drudge’s involvement and pretends its a criticism. Lame and transparent.

    He then hides him behind the “media” and still never says a thing critical of Drudge, the man who is known world-wide as THE GUY responsible for this leak being exposed on a national level.

    British Royal Prince Harry has been fighting in Afghanistan since late December — and has been directly involved in gun battle, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

    New Idea revealed that Prince Henry was serving in Afghanistan in an article … Until the U.S. Drudge Report blog picked it up. “Once Drudge had it

    But the secret was revealed in two little-noticed articles in an Australian tabloid magazine, and then blasted into the global media spotlight Thursday by the Drudge Report Web site.

    But the arrangement broke down today after news was leaked out on the US website the Drudge Report.

    One Australian news magazine, New Idea, reported Harry’s deployment a month ago, but it was not until it was carried yesterday on the Drudge Report, a major American website, that the news embargo was lifted.

    See a pattern here Pilgrim??

  • laydownSally

    H,

    I realize you are far too busy collecting plastic bags in order to organize you shopping cart, but take a moment and look at Bats’ blog.

    He said one thing in there to placate the less fortunate, and another in a comment below (for all to see) which denounced Drudge.

  • carrick

    LOL, I meant scurvy.

    Somedays I crack me up.

  • dirl126

    Generalization’s won’t save you here andydakota.
    Because that is not true

  • Lestat

    Yes, an editorial decision. And if they made the decision to not report it, you can’t call it censorship or collusion.

    If they weren’t instructed or pressured to not report the story than it is not censorship.

    If they got together to decide not to report, than that is collusion by definition.

    Would I have run the story, absolutely. It is news. The fact that the UK is putting the third in line to the throne in a war zone is news.

  • 2Hotel9

    Hey! Pil, we got 12 inches of snow over night. Don’t you wish you was here?!?!?

  • Lestat

    I’m just amazed, once again, at the leftie hypocrisy here. When the NYT was revealing US secrets, the leftie meme was “the peoples’ right to know”, but now that someone you incorrectly define as conservative(or in your stupidity, “a rightie”) honors the peoples’ right to know about a foreign soldier, you explode in self-righteous anger. Too funny.

    I’m still standing up for the people’s right to know.

  • pparets

    Carrick, Pilgrim, et al: What Drudge did was – and is – simply wrong and morally indefensible.

    And the argument that, “Its Ok because everyone else was doing it”, sounds distressingly liberal in its tone.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Hannitized: Deadhorsebeaters.com has seen your résumé and boy are they impressed!

    Give it a rest!

  • pparets

    Hannitized: I think it was Henry Clay who once said, “It is difficult under the best of circumstances to concede a contest of wits when outwitted, but it is loathsome to do so in the presence of a vindictive opponent.”

    My recommendation? Don’t hold your breath…

  • http://crusader-rabbit.blogspot.com/ kg
  • atease

    I all honesty, I would congratulate Drudge for perhaps saving his life by making this widely known. I would also say Drudge knew of Harry’s deployment and kept the secret himself until the cat was out of the bag.

    atease

  • Hannitized

    The piece wasn’t meant as an exclusive criticism of Drudge, a point you’re missing.

    Really?

    Pilgrims argument is that its terrible that the meanie media ruined Harry’s chances to fight. Neglecting to give Drudge the fair share of blame, he still points the finger at the media, even thought everyone knows it was really Drudge to make this world wide news.

    Your point was clear as mud, as usual. Even still, we managed to see the crap for what it was. Partisan stink.

    You are about as sharp as a Duroflame.

  • pparets

    AndyDakota: Actually, I agree with you 100%! Drudge’s decision to blow Prince Harry’s cover was – and is – morally indefensible.

    And I am astonished that some conservatives on SAB would stoop to the lowest typically liberal defense of Matt Drudge’s behavior: “Well, everyone else was doing it.”

  • Lestat

    Then you would be making a bad judgement call, by unnecessarily putting him in harms way so you can have your little story and rob him of his chances to fight in a normal way, with his mates.

    There are ways to do it responsibly. You contact the government to let them know you are running the story and they make the decision on how to handle it. By the time the story runs they can decide whether to remove the threat.

    And robbing him of his chances to fight in a normal way. It must suck to be a prince.

  • laydownSally

    Cranial cephalus???

    Well, you sure got me there.

    Are you sure you don’t cranial syphilis? I should not be personal, but you need to have that checked.

  • Hannitized

    I AM bored with repeating the painfully obvious. The dog doesn’t have to hunt. It’s already brought it dinner weeks ago.

    Twist and twist again Hannity. I’m still right.

    UUrrgh. Ok, cool. Agree to disagree.

    If you’ll remember, I was on your side about that Obama/Weathermen thing.

    Oooh…really? Well, my apologies. I dont remember. I recall you pretty much challenge me on quite a bit, and thats fine. But I am just sayin….i don’t think Pilgrim gave Drudge what he deserved.

    Even your guy said he was “kinda” criticizing him but was pretty much condemning the “media”. This point you overlook, it seems.

    No other article talks about the responsibility of a leak, a substantial leak, being anyone but Drudges.

    So if the story shouldn’t have been run, and the EEEEVVVVIIIIIL media was wrong to run it, then so was Drudge.

    But thats just it. The media shouldnt be the focus. How can you sit here and say that anyone but Pilgrim sees it that way? You try to call me out on honesty? Cmon Kenny.

    Pointing out that Drudge led the media in this story, then condemning the media…IS condemning Drudge.

    No, pointing out that Drudge lead the media was a fact, not a condemnation. It’s a slight, as I said earlier, thats why your guy said “kinda”, not absolutely.

    I would have been perfectly fine with this article if Pilgrim simply gave Drudge what he deserved. Bat, PP and a lot of others outright gave him more criticism than Pilgrim, but whatever.

    I am simply saying NYT, WAPO and everyone else wouldn’t have got this slight. Cmon Kenny….we can meet in the middle here.

  • andydakota

    Peabrain writes, “Election 08, we are so screwed!” You are so right! You have no credibility to talk about the MSM when you can’t even deal with what you have written.

    Off for a fun day in the sun with 80 degree temps.

  • robert108

    You are what you decry on the left.

    Another leftie lie. There is no comparison between Drudge linking to an Australian website that revealed the presence of Prince Harry on the battlefield and the NYT endangering US national security by publishing classified material.
    I doubt that Prince Harry’s presence on the battlefield was even classified material for British citizens.
    Your pathetic attempts at such and equivalence illustrates your lack of intelligence and tendency toward blind partisan anger.

  • andydakota

    Again, Peabrain, where in the post is your condemnaton? Actual language you used, please?

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Hannitized and Andy,

    You’re trying to be dishonest little asshats in claiming that “Pilgrim is blaming the media! But exhonerating Drudge!” This is wrong on it’s face because Drudge is the only one named.

    So, again you’re two choices are:

    1. He’s not actually blaming anyone, but think’s it’s sad that dear Prince’s cover got blown.

    or 2. He is blaming everyone who ran the story INCLUDING Drudge (who was the only person named, no AP, no New York Times, just Drudge).

    Furthermore:
    No one here has defended Drudge. We’ve all made it pretty clear what he did was dispicible. That we feel OK with blaming the people who ran the story FIRST (since Drudge just links to other stories), doesn’t mitigate Drudge’s behavior in any way. It just means other people did bad too. Capeche?

    His comments were not in any way shape or form hard to understand. You are deliberately twisting his words to ignore the clear meaning. And when you’re called on it, you have the balls to call us dishonest. (And on that note, no one must blame Al Sharpton since he only LED the riots.) You’re a petty little demagogue.

  • Pilgrim

    Hotel,

    Sled? SLED ?

    Yeeks.

  • Pilgrim

    By the way, Hannitized, it’s obvious that your purpose in being the most vocal critic of the piece isn’t to make a practical, rational point – it’s to tear me down personally.

    So, go ahead, peewee. Have at it. Just wanted to let you know that I’ve noticed, and I suspect most of the other commenters here have as well.

    Again, yawn.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The media has an obligation to report what is important

    Decided by whom? Aside from the utter arrogance of it, it sounds like a call for censorship to me!

  • Hannitized

    Actually, as someone in a medical profession, I think you may be full of nonsense. I think you must mean something else. As we all know, cranial means skull. Cephalus is Greek for “head”. “Skull head” doesn’t make too much sense. As for your description:

    It’s possible I could have meant Craniocephalic (sounds like Craniocephalus) but the symptoms and treatment look more like craniosynostosis.

    Treatment

    Surgery is typically used to separate the fused sutures of the skull as well as to reshape the skull. To treat the cosmetic troubles, a combination of orthodontic and orthognathic surgery can be used to relieve some of the midface deficiency.

    Typical surgery begins with a zigzag incision from ear to ear across the top of the head. The scar left by this type of incision makes the hair look more natural than that left by a straight incision would. Leroy clips are typically used to curtail bleeding, as cauterization would not result in an aesthetically pleasing result upon healing. Once the scalp is peeled back, pilot holes are drilled through the skull. These pilot holes are then connected, separating the skull into several pieces. Once reshaped, these pieces are placed back on the head (typically in an altered configuration) and held together by a combination of dissolving sutures, plates, and screws. These plates and screws are typically composed of a copolymer comprised of polyglycolic and polylactic acid and will break down into water and carbon dioxide within a year. Demineralized bone matrix or bone morphogenetic proteins are often used to fill gaps left by the expanded skull, encouraging the body to grow new bone in a process called intramembranous ossification. Once the hemostatic scalp clips are removed, sutures are again used to close the incision.

  • Neiman

    Carrick, Pilgrim, et al: What Drudge did was – and is – simply wrong and morally indefensible.

    And the argument that, “Its Ok because everyone else was doing it”, sounds distressingly liberal in its tone.

    But, Pparets, it is different if the guy doing this is a conservative darling, right? Seriously, you are right Drudge is a crud, despite his being prasied here by others. This was simply wrong! Period!

    I don’t know this fellow personally, I am sure he is a prince of a guy; but he appears by the support of those serving with him to crave being treated just like a regular guy and to be given a chance to do his duty. So, to that degree my hat is off to him! It is encouraging that despite more advantages in this life that 99.99999999% of the population, this young man seeks manhood and personal honor above privilege.

  • http://www.kayloo.com/ Bradley

    The man just wanted to fight for his country, he had train for it so why not? Why should we let a social status effect that. The media should of kept this a secret, not only to protect the prince, but to protect the soldiers around him. I call treason, but who am I to do that?

  • robert108

    Lestat: As far as I can see, you are only an advocate for freedom of the press and freedom of speech for a partisan media that spreads leftie propaganda. I have yet to see you stick up for any conservative’s rights in that area.

  • Hannitized

    Life,

    From your own link:

    British officials had hoped to keep Prince Harry’s deployment secret until he had safely returned, but they released video of him serving in Helmand Province after a leak appeared on the U.S. Web site the Drudge Report.

    Did it ever occur to you that when the British use the words the elements of the foreign media they were referring to the American Drudge Report and possibly the Aussie gal?

    What were talking about here is who burst this thing wide open, who is responsible. Clearly Drudge. There is no escaping this.

  • Hannitized

    It is a shame his mission was ended early and it is commendable that the press held it as long as they did, but it was already out there before Drudge, he just pimped the story out

    Well that makes sense. Noboby knew of the story until Drudge reported it and spread the news, but since another obscure magazine reported on it months ago, he is removed from any violation of disclosure.

    Shameless.

  • Bat One

    I encourage you to make an argument in instead of ad hominem. I realize, of course, that will be a challenge for you. But nevertheless, you will score no points with me by behaving in this manner.

    H,

    Give it up, kid! She’s way, way out of your league. Take your magazine subscriptions, or whatever it is your trying to sell, and move on before you get laughed off the front porch.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Really? Show me the quote!! If its there, I missed it. But I am looking for the clarification. Just show me Kenny.

    Yea, you’re looking? Really? Cause it wasn’t hard to find. But hey, I’m a nice guy. So here it is:

    We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world.

    He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now. And that’s a damn shame. He’s a Prince and can have just about anything he wants except this. It’s not something I would expect the pacifists or the leftists or the whiners to understand, but it was such a simple thing that he can’t have.

    The ENTIRE article was about the media’s responsibility in having to remove the Prince. And due to the Media (led by Drudge no less) the prince is disgraced.

    Either you didn’t read the article or you’re shamlessly lying.

  • Neiman

    1888, Australian, New Zealand, and South African slang for “English immigrant;” U.S. use is attested from 1918, originally “British sailor, British warship,” short for lime-juicer (1857), in derisive reference to the British Navy’s policy (begun 1795) of issuing lime juice on ships to prevent scurvy among sailors. In Amer.Eng., extended to “any Englishman” by 1925.

    Wrong moosebreath! No matter the origin of the term or any such term, over time the original meaning is lost and the words become part of our slang, absent much meaning beyond verbally putting down members the other service as was suggested. I’ll bet 99.999% of the people using these terms today don’t even know what they mean anymore.

  • robert108

    Excuse me! That should have been: “…socialite Beltway deskjockeys.” My bad.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Convo with a rational person, with no horse in the race:

    WolvenBear: may i ask your opinion?
    CIAJrod: about what
    WolvenBear: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/he_just_wanted_to_be_a_soldier/
    WolvenBear: who if anyone, is this guy condemning?
    WolvenBear: who wrote the article
    CIAJrod: he’s criticizing the media
    WolvenBear: alright
    CIAJrod: for not letting him do his thing
    WolvenBear: would you say he lumps drudge in with the media?
    CIAJrod: sounds like it
    CIAJrod: but he’s surprised they were part of it
    WolvenBear: yea
    WolvenBear: but, hes saying drudge is part of the media?
    CIAJrod: kinda
    ….
    CIAJrod: but yeah, he’s saying they were a news outlet that also leaked that he was in afghanistan
    WolvenBear: this dudes saying Pil condemned “the media” but is giving Drudge a pass
    CIAJrod: “The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world.”
    CIAJrod: sounds like he’s condemning it
    WolvenBear: k thanks

    This is what conclusion rational people come to after reading it.

  • Hannitized

    A person can only be “outed” once. That was done by the Australian magazine. End of story.

    Except the Australian said they didnt know it was a secret. Do you know what Drudges position was?

    Again, EVERY article states that it wasnt until Drudge reported it, that others ran with it.

    You can hide from that reality if you want, but nobody is buying it.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    No that would be Richard Lee Armitage, Bob Novak…..

    Doing dangerous work? Making yourself look stupid with that comparison.

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    The UK Telegraph gets it:
    Matt Drudge: world’s most powerful journalist
    Reuters, Zogby, and most American get it:
    Nearly 70 percent of Americans believe traditional journalism is out of touch, and nearly half are turning to the Internet to get their news, according to a new survey.
    DKK

  • 2Hotel9

    Once again sannitized made an entire thread revolve around its crying. And 12yearold, still waiting for that quote that clearly illustrates an open breach of security.

    Many people were aware of Harry being deployed. Those who pay attention already knew that William was not going to any combat zone, he being the actual successor to Elizabeth. Charles is a non-starter, contaminated, and will never succeed to the Throne. Harry has chosen a career path in the military, and indications are that he will continue on. William is currently in primary pilot course, and will be going through the Staff Officer course.

    And do you honestly believe tangos in that region did NOT know a Royal was there? Quite the bait, what? Drip a few sweet nothings in the right ears, intimate how Allah would give especial honor to any who killed one of the hated House of Windsor. Then sit back and kill them as they come slinking along. Callous? Ruthless? Bet your ass. The English have shown themselves masters at being both, and exploiting their enemies hatred of them.

    Harry is back in England, him and William are probably discussing, in detail, his misadventures in the field. While Chuck sits by, whey faced and trembly as is usual for him. And Harry will do some face time, go on a Royal bender, find some lovely English Rose to make the 2 backed beast with, and one dark and foggy night in the spring, a lean, thumpingly hungover tommy, carrying too much gear than is really convenient, will trudge aboard one of the weekly milkrun birds headed east. Or southeast. Somethings getting ready to pop in Africa. And a good FIST is always welcome.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    If I had the story first, I’d sit on it. (I’d also would like to think that I’d notify the government that I was sitting on it as if I know it others probably do.)

    Once it’s out there, it’s fair game.

  • 2Hotel9

    Thats all coming soon enough for us. Global Warming, don’t ya know!

    After boy is done bowling we are going to go shoot. Supposed to be a nice afternoon, get the sled out and run into some trees.

    I just had an AFP article pop up, here is a bit 12yrold will doubtless screech about,”A number of British newspapers quoted foreign-based Islamists as agreeing that Harry’s role could incense radicals, but mainstream Muslim opinion in Britain has been largely supportive.”

    Note that “mainstream Muslim” is buried in the last line of the piece. Sweet, huh!

  • Lestat

    Sorry Lestat, I just was surprised that you aren’t rooting for Henry. Hes fighting the guys who are our enemies. He’s trying to do the right thing.

    I respect him for it. But being a prince comes with certain obligations and responsibilities. One of those is that you can’t be an average soldier.

    I would have liked to see you have a principle worth having.

    Free societies have free presses.

  • Neiman

    Joseph: I have posted a follow-up to Pilgrim’s great thread, which will give you even a greater appreciation of Prince Harry: “A Man Of Honor – A True Soldier,” check it out!

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Yes, we all saw that. That was are complaint. Did you seriously think you made a good argument? Kenny….please.
    Dude, Pilgrim is condemning the media, not Drudge, he didnt say a damn thing about Drudge, only the “media”.

    He said the media, led (surprisingly) by Drudge.
    Sorry, chuckles. He mentioned Drudge by name as leading what he has condemned as a bad story, that had negative consequences for our dear Prince. Any other interpretation is bull.

    When the NYT released its story about McCain, did the “media” take the blame? No. Did the “media” report the story as well? Yes.

    You won’t admit these facts, because you are not being intellectually honest.

    I’m always intellectually honest. Pilgrim condemned those who released this, and named Drudge by name. You’re being dense for claiming otherwise.

    You guys always do that stupid crap.

    Give me one article that says the “media” released this info! One.

    Drudge doesn’t run original stories. He simply links to other stories. Quote any exception or simply admit that (again) you have no clue what you’re talking about.

    Did anyone one of you phonies blame the media led by the NYT when the McCain story came out? Yes or no? NO!

    It was on Say Anything for Days when that happened. Of course they condemned him. Don’t be stupid.

  • Hannitized

    Rob,

    I suppose it’s much safer (and easier) to be the commenter and not the author of a particular post. But I suspect I would just be asking for constant derision.

    I appreciate the offer. But, do you really want “me” putting my opinions up in black and white?

    At the very least I think it makes sense to have an avatar?

  • Pilgrim

    I’m not sure why I’m even addressing the children in the room, Hannitized and andydakota, but I’ll do my best to explain to them that my condemnation of Drudge is there for anyone with basic reading and comprehension skills to see.

    Here’s a small point the kids are missing: Drudge may have broken the story but worldwide media pounced on it as sson as they possibly could. So – my condemnation isn’t just limited to Drudge. There is far and enough to go around to the rest of an industry that has traded news for gossip.

    Got that, kiddies? Now, scamper along and hijack another thread with your childish mewlings. Let the adults talk. Go on. Shoo.

  • Hannitized

    Ha. Kenny, you are classic.

    Yes, we all saw that. That was are complaint. Did you seriously think you made a good argument? Kenny….please.

    Dude, Pilgrim is condemning the media, not Drudge, he didnt say a damn thing about Drudge, only the “media”.

    I mean, Drudge came out with it and the rest followed….so who should take the most blame? Drudge of course, because if he hadn’t come out with it, neither would the “media”. Did Pilgrim say that? No.

    You miss the importance of the fact that Pilgrim is shielding Drudge from the significance of his responsibility in the matter.

    When the NYT released its story about McCain, did the “media” take the blame? No. Did the “media” report the story as well? Yes.

    You won’t admit these facts, because you are not being intellectually honest.

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report

    but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now. And that’s a damn shame.

    Drudge was included in the media. That is clarified by his being listed specifically. Just as you might say,

    the Democrats, led by the Daily Kos…but thanks to the Democrats

    clearly including Kos in with the Democrats.

    The point your trying to make is not valid and you would see that if you just stood back and dropped the emotional reaction.

    As an aside, I disagree with those who have identified The Drudge Report as a right wing media outlet. It is close to being balanced which might look right wing compared to some others.
    DKK
    DKK

  • 2Hotel9

    r108, I knew PH was deploying to Afghanistan last November.It was rather openly known. Can’t remember exactly what the post was, I posted in the thread about it. Might have been one of the threads about Petraeus and the success of the surge. Not sure.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Uh-oh someone just saddled up the horse again.

  • andydakota

    There was absolutely no condemnation by Peabrain in his post. The point of his post was about the Prince and how Peabrain doesn’t have much use for famous people but the Prince gets some kudos for going to Afghanistan.

    The outing of the prince by Drudge was limited to a mention in two sentences of the entire post. No one can really believe on this blog that if the NY times or the WAPO had done this that you righties here would be anything but apoplectic about the MSM. My mere mention of this on another thread was attacked by Peabrain and others.

    So what does Peabrain go an do after I wrote about Drudge first outing the Prince on another thread? He writes about what a Prince the Prince is. But runs away from condeming Drudge and makes a lame attempt to lump Drudge in with the MSM. And the rest of you jump on board. Some of you limpwristedly feign outrage but it is not with the same gusto with which you would have gone after the MSM.

    Why won’t you all just come out and condemn Drudge for what he did? It was Drudge, Drudge, Drudge. Really, it is that simple, he did it and you want to lump him into the media to protect your rightie news guy.

  • Neiman

    Pparets: You could not be more right if you tried. Absolutely right is about the best!

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    You really believe

    We were led into war by Bush and the congress followed.

    is the same sentence structure as

    The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report

    Really? Really?
    The term, “the media” is not analogous to, “the congress,” but would be to, “the government,” or even, “the nation.” The media is the largest, all inclusive group of the communications industry and perhaps that is where your misunderstanding is.

    In addition you have changed the sentence structure. Using your very example if it had said, “the story was leaked by The Drudge Report and the media followed,” as your sentence was structured you might have a point, but he didn’t as such there is a different meaning. You are reading it as a separation – as you proved by your example rather then as an inclusion and that just is NOT correct.
    DKK

  • 2Hotel9

    We told you that to begin with, stupid fuck. And no one is arguing, we are laughing at your stupid ass.

  • 2Hotel9

    Matt Drudge didn’t out anyone. New Idea did. Get over it.

  • laydownSally

    Yes, your media, not the lefts.

    Yeah!?!

    It’s not like this NYTimes would ever compromise the security of the United States and put all of its’ troops in harms way by printing a story.

    H, review your facts. Here’s what Bat said:

    Personally, I find Drudge to be the digital cross between USAToday and the National Enquirer

    Not much of an endorsement.

    Now crawl back in your rat hole, with your quiver.

  • 2Hotel9

    And I still hold it was a mistake to pull him from the AO. He appears quite able and brave enough to “take the heat”, and willing. This effeminate squeamishness is rather unbecoming.

  • Hannitized

    Rodney and Carrick are just too big of a baby to admit they are wrong, or this thread would be dead already.

    Watching these poorly behaved children make a fool out of themselves has been extremely entertaining.

    I don’t pity the fool though, because he deserves himself.

  • robert108

    Two: As far as the leftie agenda goes on this thread, it seems pretty obvious that they are accusing conservatives of having a double standard, because we don’t condemn what Drudge did the way we condemned the NYT for endangering our national security. It doesn’t make any sense, but what else is new for the lefties, eh? Much ado about nothing.

  • Andrew

    Perhaps cranial cephalus, instead of something that speaks to nonsense.

    Actually, as someone in a medical profession, I think you may be full of nonsense. I think you must mean something else. As we all know, cranial means skull. Cephalus is Greek for “head”. “Skull head” doesn’t make too much sense. As for your description:

    Hardening of the temporal bone of the skull (thickening of the temporal bone). It puts pressure on the Brochas Aphasia (near temporal lobe). The temporal bone can be removed in young infants, filed down and reattached.

    Could you provide a link? I’m not trying to be a dick, but I’ve never heard that term before. Also, with your description, “Broca’s [sic] Aphasia” is a condition, not an area of the brain. Pressure or damage to Broca’s Area causes Broca’s Apahsia. And also, Broca’s Area isn’t near the temporal lobe, it’s part of it. Also, a hardening or thickening of bone is usually referred to as osteosclerosis.

  • 2Hotel9

    And for the sake of clarity, in order to see what, exactly, was said at Drudge, I had to go to Briebart, then to a Drudge piece, then to his Homepage, then through his archives. I don’t have Drudge on any of my RSS news feeds. Just like I don’t have MSNBC or CBS or ABC. They are all fishwrap.

  • Hannitized

    And so you demonstrated how an adult would respond???

    I used their own words….and you were too ignorant to catch it, in your crazy defense of them.

  • Hannitized

    He condemned the media, LED BY DRUDGE.

    NO. He stated the fact. Let me show you in a way that your biased mind can process.

    We were led into war by Bush and the congress followed. Too bad for those poor iraqis.

    The Iraqis had jobs and lived peacefully, but now, thanks to the congress, those Iraqis are dead and without jobs.

    You see the slight there, you dishonest sack of bird poop?

    Who led the war? Bush, who did I blame and put the responsibility with? The congress.

    You’re such a dishonest little twat. You’re being so intentionally stupid. ANY condemnation of the media here includes Drudge as Pilgrim said he’s the guy who led this mess. You could take one of two positions here and be honest:

    Oh bullshit. This mess is squarely on Drudges shoulders and hes passing the buck. Lame, dishonest and childish.

    There is not one story that puts the main responsibility anywhere but Drudge. Deal with it. Robs stupid distortions dont change the reality of the rest of the world, as much as you wish and need to believe in order to have some footing on this debate.

    Lame.

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    The best was the story about three months ago in the UK about how Harry was advised to avoid going out partying while his boys were in theater as it would make him look really callous! No wonder the Brits had Hitler so screwed up on Normandy, they are masters (Moneypenny, get Bond in here)! In case you didn’t think that stuff still happened with culprits like the NYTimes around.

    Oh, and didn’t Harry’s hat have the Stars and Stripes on the front, it looked like it!
    DKK

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    Give me one article that says the “media” released this info! One.

    Okay, and it isn’t just an article, it is a quote from the MOD:

    The ministry asked the media not to speculate on Harry’s location — or how and when he would return — until he was back in Britain.

    The ministry deplored the leak by “elements of the foreign media.”(emphasis added)

    “However, this was a circumstance that we have always been aware of and one for which we have had contingency plans in place,” the statement said.

    You also said:

    You guys always do that stupid crap.

    and if you mean, read and comprehend, then yep!
    DKK

  • Lestat

    I have yet to see you stick up for any conservative’s rights in that area.

    I have just stuck up for Drudge.

    I would also ask you please, what civil liberties have we surrendered that has caused any harm to the people of America? How have these laws placed you or your family in any imminent danger?

    We have given up the fourth and the eigth and you are trying to give up the first by saying the press has to be a bunch of cheerleaders.

    The government is breaking the laws in secret, so we don’t know exactly what the impact is. By allowing these violations by the executive branch it creates a “unitary executive” or in more normal speech, a king.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    got it now, pissant? What no condemnation of Drudge, you hypocrite?

    Pilgrim condemned Drudge. Rodney and others said he did wrong. I’m of the opinion that anyone who ran with this should be publically shamed.

    Considering this article is about blaming our media LED BY DRUDGE for removing the Prince from combat, your point falls on deaf ears.

    No one is that terrible at reading comprehension, so you’re just a dishonest little twit.

    Bingo!

    You too, H.

  • Hannitized

    I meant it was derisive, NOT good natured (lying sack-o-turd), not hazing (spinmiester)…they used the word to insult them because they didn’t care enough about their seamen to spend the money to protect them. PERIOD.

    Neeeexxxxxt?

  • Hannitized

    They were stopping outbreaks of illness, and that made them cheap. OK.

    Yes, because the british were the ONLY ONES USING LIMES.

    The use of limes by the British Royal Navy to prevent scurvy gave rise to the name “limey” for an English immigrant in the former British colonies (particularly America, New Zealand and South Africa). The use of this word has been extended to include all British people in American slang. [8]

    The use of Lemons was preferred, limes were cheaper, thus the insult.

    In Cook’s time it was impractical to preserve citrus fruit for long sea voyages. More important was Cook’s regime of shipboard cleanliness, enforced by strict discipline, as well as frequent replenishing of fresh food.[6] The first major long distance expedition that experienced virtually no scurvy was that of Alessandro Malaspina, 1789-1794. Malaspina’s medical officer, Pedro González, was convinced that fresh oranges and lemons were essential for preventing scurvy.

  • andydakota

    Hey Peabrain, a little light on the condemnation of Drudge for publishing that Harry was on the front lines in Afghanistan endangering him and the other soldiers.

    I wrote on this earlier today and you all went ballistic, yet Peabrain posts and nary a negative word about Drudge. If this had been the NYtimes, you’d be all over it like white on rice.

    What a bunch of hypocrites you all are, decrying the MSM at every turn and nary a word condemning Drudge.

    What a bunch of hypocrites and you, peabrain, are a little late to the party. Beat ya to it!

  • Hannitized

    Did you guys blame the Media, led by the NYT when classified information about the troops was released? No.

    The entire issue is that Pilgrim did not say one negative thing about Drudge, like he would the NYT. This is total biased nonsense.

    He stated a fact that Drudge was the punk to release the info, but didnt condemn him.

    Pathetic.

  • Neiman

    Oh, he who should be sterilized – in the military no one gives a shit about your freaking definitions. Hell they’ll make up words to just insult each other, it is part of being a soldier!

  • Pilgrim

    Even still, none of this gives Pilgrim a pass.

    Inspiring non-argument. The piece wasn’t meant as an exclusive criticism of Drudge, a point you’re missing.

    The intellectual stimulation you bring to the discussion is less than impressive.

    Yawn….zzzzzzzzz….snort…….zzzzzzzz

  • Hannitized

    Wrong moosebreath! No matter the origin of the term or any such term, over time the original meaning is lost and the words become part of our slang

    Hahaha! Look, now Nieman chiimes in to contribute his .0002 cents.

    No thanks Nieman, we don’t need any more spin here. And by the way, what IS the new meaning anyway?

    Limey = really swell shipman?

    Hahahaha.

  • Hannitized

    You guys always do that stupid crap.

    Give me one article that says the “media” released this info! One.

    Did anyone one of you phonies blame the media led by the NYT when the McCain story came out? Yes or no? NO!

    Give it up. You are only fooling yourself.

  • Hannitized

    That territory has already been covered

    In your mind..by that stupid article that couldnt spell correctly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon

    Lemons entered Europe (near southern Italy) as early as 200 A.D. during the time of Ancient Rome. However, they were not widely cultivated. The first real lemon cultivation in Europe began Genoa in the middle of the fifteenth century.[2] It was later introduced to the Americas in 1493 when Christopher Columbus brought lemon seeds to Hispaniola along his voyages. Spanish conquest throughout the New World helped spread lemon seeds. It was mainly used as ornament and medicine.[2] In 1700s and late 1800s, lemons were increasingly planted in Florida and California when lemons began to be used in cooking and flavoring.[3]

    In 1747, James Lind’s experiments on seamen suffering from scurvy involved adding Vitamin C to their diets through lemon juice. [4]

    The name lemon was originated from Arabic līmūn لیمون and Persian limun through Old Italian and

  • robert108

    Calling a British sailor a “limey” is just good natured hazing, like Marines calling sailors “swabbies” and sailors calling Marines “jarheads”. You started out wrong, and have continued in the same direction.
    We schooled you.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Did you guys blame the Media, led by the NYT when classified information about the troops was released? No.
    The entire issue is that Pilgrim did not say one negative thing about Drudge, like he would the NYT. This is total biased nonsense.
    He stated a fact that Drudge was the punk to release the info, but didnt condemn him.
    Pathetic.

    He condemned the media, LED BY DRUDGE.

    You’re such a dishonest little twat. You’re being so intentionally stupid. ANY condemnation of the media here includes Drudge as Pilgrim said he’s the guy who led this mess. You could take one of two positions here and be honest:

    1. Pilgrim is condemning nobody.

    2. Pilgrim is condemning everyone who ran this story.

    Your simply being a lying little schmuck by pretending that Pilgrim is condemning everyone except the Only Person He Actually Named. And we both know it.

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    Hannitized said:

    NO! Drudge found out, because of Drudge….say it Pilgrim. Don’t blame the media once information is out by the offender, it is no longer secret.

    Pilgrim was correct, I pointed that out to you by showing you the info was out there then Drudge, who is part of the media by the way, pimped out the story.

    You were incorrect…an obscure magazine then the story was picked up in a German newspaper then Drudge.

    Also, you do know that The Drudge Report actually leans left don’t you?
    As noted in The NY Sun:

    A study of press bias by a professor of political science at the University of California-Los Angeles, Tim Groseclose, listed the Drudge Report as one of the most liberal sites on the Web (*) because it consistently posts articles from left-of-center sources.

    * UCLA Press says it it is slightly left of center:

    Another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom was that the Drudge Report was slightly left of center.

    DKK

  • 2Hotel9

    Consensus! Yep, sannitized, that worked so well with the climate. How about that expanding Antarctic ice? Crazy, ain’t!

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    Did it ever occur to you that when the British use the words the elements of the foreign media they were referring to the American Drudge Report and possibly the Aussie gal?

    DUH, BINGO, EXACTLY, and that is what you asked for! Are you even aware of what your debating? Your running in circles.

    You had asked:

    Give me one article that says the “media” released this info! One.

    I gave you one.
    DKK

  • Hannitized

    What a bunch of hypocrites you all are, decrying the MSM at every turn and nary a word condemning Drudge.

    Bingo!

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    Oh I get it now. So when I asked you to give me an article that stated the release was the medias fault, not Drudges, you give me an article that refers to Drudge as an element of the media, NOT THE ACTUAL MEDIA as in CBS, NBC, NYT or ABC, and I am supposed to be convinced of something. Got it.

    Oh, now you decide this is your argument? I clearly said Drudge is a part of the media 5 posts ago. Typically the media is understood to be all inclusive or as defined, “the communications industry” As a blog reader you really don’t consider Drudge as part of the media? He is rated compared to other media outlets, cited as a source in reporting, and rated for fairness compared to other media outlets (a copy of one such study I provided above). But you now qualify your understanding as being what is typically referred to as the MSM.

    Keep in mind, based on the article of mine you are quoting — Your the only one who doesn’t get it, the Brits get it, Fox News gets it, Pilgrim gets it, Kenny gets it, Carrick gets it, Robert gets it, Sally gets it.

    Okay, so be it. Sorry your limited understanding of the internet, new media, and media in general has led us to this entire debate.
    DKK

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    Matt should not have published this information.

    I totally agree.

  • andydakota

    2hotel9 dhimmie pissant writes:

    I just trawled Drudge, 4 days worth, and found nothing even vaguely capable of endangering troops anywhere. Perhaps pissant dhimmi Democrat could link it.

    got it now, pissant? What no condemnation of Drudge, you hypocrite?

  • 2Hotel9

    Pil, I think we have a 12 year old in the mix.

  • Hannitized

    It’s not like this NYTimes would ever compromise the security of the United States and put all of its’ troops in harms way

    You mean endangering the troops by saying “bring it on” when referring to attack out troops? That kind of endangering?

    The Conservatives are the kings of hypocritical statements and go nowhere arguments. You think you can debate us? Bring it on.

    H, review your facts. Here’s what Bat said:

    Not much of an endorsement.

    Oh lord, Sally tries to make an argument. Now I know why you guys complain about public education.

    Sally, the sentence you quoted only refers to a comparison, not an endorsement. You wanna know what an endorsement looks like? Here ya go!

    It was suggested earlier this morning, with some snide contempt, that Matt Drudge, he of the world famous Drudge Report, was “one of yours.” That is, a supposedly loathsome conservative. On behalf of those of us on/in the Right, I accept.

    (snip)

    Like Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge is one of a kind… a unique figure who stands gleefully astride an audience he created. An audience without peer on the Left.

    He accepts!! See that? And Drudge doesn’t have a peer on the left. Good, he’s all yours. Now own his error.

    What was that about a rat hole?

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    First, what Pilgrim said was:

    The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world.

    read the original post again.

    Second:
    Drudge is a part of the media.

    Finally:
    Based on your comment:

    Again, it was LED BY DRUDGE. Not the “media”.

    is what Pilgrim said and it shows that you really CAN’T read or at least comprehend. Also, if you aren’t able to understand what others write you aren’t really qualified to judge others who can as dishonest.
    DKK

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Robert and 2H9,

    I think we need to have Rob or Lik post a spittle and phlegm warning on this thread… Oh, and a motion sickness warning (due to spin) as well!

  • Hannitized

    He mentioned Drudge by name as leading what he has condemned as a bad story,

    Sorry sweepants. He didnt condemn drudge, he blamed it on the media and gave Drudge a pass, and said nothing negative about Drudge.

    He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now.

    See that, ooh, the bad bad media, not Drudge, the media. Is the media separate from Drudge? In his mind yes, because he separated them….the Media, led by Drudge. Drudge Led the foul and the media followed, but did he say anything negative about Drudge, NO. He only stated the fact that Drudge did it.

    That is not condemning Drudge. You are not thinking clearly. Stating a fact is not a condemnation. Are you serious?

  • robert108

    Nice comment. BTW, you probably don’t know that the word “nice” used to be an insult as well.

    nice Listen to the pronunciation of nice
    Pronunciation:
    \ˈnīs\
    Function:
    adjective
    Inflected Form(s):
    nic·er; nic·est
    Etymology:
    Middle English, foolish, wanton, from Anglo-French, silly, simple, from Latin nescius ignorant, from nescire not to know — more at nescience
    Date:
    14th century

    1obsolete a: wanton, dissolute b: coy, reticent
    2 a: showing fastidious or finicky tastes : particular b: exacting in requirements or standards : punctilious
    3: possessing, marked by, or demanding great or excessive precision and delicacy 4obsolete : trivial
    5 a: pleasing, agreeable
    b: well-executed c: appropriate, fitting
    6 a: socially acceptable : well-bred b: virtuous, respectable
    7: polite, kind

    When I say “nice” comment, I mean it in the original Latin sense of the word.

    Yes, instead of lemons…

    Wrong again. Limes are smaller than lemons, and more of them could fit in the confined space of a ship. Nowhere but in your imagination does it mean what you claimed it meant. You’re just wrong; “nice”, but wrong.

  • http://vdvfamily.com/ Sphagnum

    GREAT post, Pilgrim. I loved it. This would be fit to print in any paper in America. I loved it! And so, so true.

    What a story this Prince Harry has now, I applaud his noble efforts. I’ve never really liked Royalty, but this man has my admiration.

  • Hannitized

    Hardening of the temporal bone of the skull (thickening of the temporal bone). It puts pressure on the Brochas Aphasia (near temporal lobe). The temporal bone can be removed in young infants, filed down and reattached.

  • robert108

    Lestat: The real problem here, and you will undoubtedly deny it, is that the “press” isn’t free anymore; it’s completely in the hands of one particular political ideology, and of the political Party that shares the ideology. Their advocacy of “the peoples’ right to know” is very selective, in that we are apparently not given the right to know everything about the war against terrorism, just the part that is unfavorable to the President who is their political rival. Ever since the big media lied to the American people about the Tet Offensive to manipulate the attitude toward the Vietnam War(against communism), they have shirked their duty to defend our country from its enemies(also in the Constitution), and have become enemy agents.
    I might agree with your stance if the media weren’t so slanted, or if they were equally responsible about reporting both sides of the news, but they aren’t, and so they have become agents of those who seek to destroy our way of life. The only defense against that is to deny information to the enemy. Without a free country, the Constitution is merely an historical document. National Defense is primary. IMO, the media has created the need for secrecy, because they aren’t responsible in their duties.

  • carrick

    Hannitized:

    The use of Lemons was preferred, limes were cheaper, thus the insult.

    Just debunked that.

  • Hannitized

    Thanks for proving that it wasn’t an insult the way you claimed it was; Drudge isn’t English.

    No, it wasnt an insult in the way you understand it. That is the point.

    Just as a TidalWave isn’t a Tsunami. But people have inaccurately used the word so many times it became the norm.

    The term Limey was originally meant to be an insult to a British person referencing thier cheapness, not because they want to prevent scurvy. How is preventing scurvy even an insult? You guys are seriously crazed.

    Further, many people in GB still use it to mean a cheap person..TODAY. You don’t know this because you probably dont know that many people from GB.

    You’re just wrong, and not man enough to admit it. Pathetic.

    Hey boy wonder, why would I refer Drudge as a British guy or a sailor anyway?

    Did you seriously think I had no idea that limey has multiple interpretations?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=limey

    There are quite a few different interpretations. What matters is not the common ones, but the origins.

  • Hannitized

    By the way, Hannitized, it’s obvious that your purpose in being the most vocal critic of the piece isn’t to make a practical, rational point – it’s to tear me down personally.

    Phsaw. I haven’t begun to tear you down, pissant. You wan’t to see a personal attack?

    I clearly stated that you are sheltering Drudge behind the Media. Drudge is a piece of trash to capitalize on the news. He deserves some scathing remarks, that I just threw in his direction.

    I am clearly more focused on getting you hypocrites to show some balls (principles). You don’t have em kid. You think you are something but your just a partisan crap sandwich.

    I have gone around and round with Bat, many a time. Youre not 1/4 the man or challenge he is. We don’t go around as much because we both have principles, you don’t. You don’t have the courage of conviction. Weak.

  • Hannitized

    It doesn’t look that close to my entry:

    Sorry, got the dipshits confused as you respond to my comment to robert…you dope. Why did you do that?

    See comment:

    robert108 on March 3, 2008 at 02:27 pm

    So if the dictionary is the gospel, you ignorant child, where is it in the dictionary? Why is there no evidence of this sailor/british person mention in the definition?

    You idiot.

    Admit it, you are selectively speaking to what works for you at the moment, and not looking at the proper context.

    Why is a Limey a British person in the dictionary???? Because it became acceptable as the use of the word limey became common.

    Why were Brits called Limeys, and not all sailors. Just answer that ya dip shit.

  • robert108

    Thanks for proving that it wasn’t an insult the way you claimed it was; Drudge isn’t English.
    It isn’t a serious insult today, at any rate. You’re just wrong, and not man enough to admit it. Pathetic.
    Drudge didn’t endanger anyone’s national security, so you’re wrong to make any comparison to the NYT actually endangering US national security, either. Had Drudge actually endangered national security, conservatives would have criticized him for that, just like we criticize you lefties for pandering and aiding the terrorists. You’re just wrong all around, as usual.

  • Neiman

    Deadhorsebeaters.com has seen your résumé and boy are they impressed!

    That is my crown Prince of Puns, that is really funny!

  • Hannitized

    Free societies have free presses.

    Lestat, one think you seem to overlook is the greater good. You yourself said that running with this story requires a judgement call. I agreed.

    Now, with that in mind, what is the judgement call to make? Allowing Prince Henry’s to fight the true bad guys undercover and serve as a patriot and living by his own honorable standards as a man or giving up the story, putting him and others in harms way and making a media circus to sell some papers.

    Its an easy decision to me. There is no greater good served by the release.

    If you compare this to torturing soldiers, or breaking American civil rights to fight an enemy is a little different, wouldn’t you agree.

    The John McCain story shouldn’t have ran, this shouldn’t of ran. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

    Pilgrim and I actually agree somewhat, I put most of the blame on Drudge and would give him a good lambasting, whereas pillgraham focuses on the media instead, hiding his guy behind those who weren’t as responsible.

  • Hannitized

    So the term originated in 1880s…. 10-15 years before the practice of carrying citrus fruit was instituted by the British navy. That’s really believable.

    Um, the policy of issuing lemon juice for scurvy began in 1795. The term originated in different places at different times. Much LATER than 1795.

    Are you fudging numbers now to slime your way out of this?

    1888, Australian, New Zealand, and South African slang for “English immigrant;” U.S. use is attested from 1918, originally “British sailor, British warship,” short for lime-juicer (1857), in derisive reference to the British Navy’s policy (begun 1795) of issuing lime juice on ships to prevent scurvy among sailors. In Amer.Eng., extended to “any Englishman” by 1925.

    Got it now? The term came up in 1888 in Aust. 1857 Lime Juicer, what are you referring to?

    Secondly, if as your other sources have suggested, the term limey originated in 1795, this would have occurred with the introduction of lemon juice to the British navy. The answer to this connundrum is, as I have documented,

    Where? The policy originated in 1795. The rest of your argument falls on its face there.

    Simple.

  • 2Hotel9

    Inner tubes are fun, too.

    Here is more,”Prince Harry made the front-page of al-Quds al-Arabi, a pan-Arab newspaper published in London which is usually very critical of Anglo-American foreign policy. But the newspaper’s chief editor spoke highly of the young British royal. “It’s an extremely significant, important story for us. He’s the grandson of the Queen on the frontline,” said Abdelbari Atwan.

    “He is giving a good example to his own people. He’s endangering his life and he’s not scared to fight for his country,” Mr Atwan said, addding that the newspaper had contrasted “the brother of the future British king fighting without publicity” to “Arab royal families who prefer to stay in their palaces and enjoy the oil wealth of their countries”. Lotsa folks chiming in.

    And more blogy goodness!”I don’t think that they would have dared to put him in real danger there but now he’s been shown firing a machine gun at Muslims …he becomes a big target. Harry likes to go to clubs and pubs — does that make them targets?”

    12yrold will be hailing this as the “real” story. Watch and see.

  • Hannitized

    I’m always intellectually honest. Pilgrim condemned those who released this, and named Drudge by name. You’re being dense for claiming otherwise.

    Sorry dipshit. Stating a fact is not a condemnation. How can you be so stupid.

    He said nothing negative about Drudge. Show me one quote where he says something negative about drudge. One thing.

    Drudge doesn’t run original stories. He simply links to other stories. Quote any exception or simply admit that (again) you have no clue what you’re talking about.

    Don’t be an idiot. Every article on this subject puts the responsiblity squarely on Drudges shoulders.

    Your such a dishonest turd. You and Robert…two peas in a pod.

    It was on Say Anything for Days when that happened. Of course they condemned him. Don’t be stupid.

    What? Youre delirious. Who is him?

  • Hannitized

    I first learned about the practice of using limes to prevent scurvy on British ships when I was in grade school.

    Brilliant. Exactly when in the conversation did I say they werent. You are seriously an idiot.

    It is common knowledge among the educated.
    The British were the first to use limes as an intentional cure for scurvy on long sea voyages.

    Yes, instead of lemons you idiot. Thats why they get the signifier you complete moron.

    Just like we call Southern Hurricanes “Hemmis” and so on….i mean, there is no logic in your argument. You know this, dont you?

  • robert108

    How have these laws placed you or your family in any imminent danger?

    That’s the “money question”, of course, Neiman.

    Lestat: Your definition of total war is incomplete. The truth is, they are waging total war against us, but we have yet to respond at the proper level, which doesn’t deprive us of the right to do so at any time.
    Tell me again about the constitutionality of sharia law; I missed your reply to that question.

  • robert108

    Wrong again, H. The term “limey” comes from when the British Navy started using limes on long sea voyages to prevent scurvy. Thus, “limey”, which originally meant a British sailor, has become a generic term for an Englishman. Sorry you don’t know that.
    Again and again, you prove that you are not only arrogant, but ignorant as well. Not an admirable combination.

  • robert108

    It’s difficult to discuss anything with an ignorant person, especially one so arrogant in his ignorance. I first learned about the practice of using limes to prevent scurvy on British ships when I was in grade school. It is common knowledge among the educated.
    The British were the first to use limes as an intentional cure for scurvy on long sea voyages. Nothing complicated, really. You just got it wrong, and aren’t man enough or intelligent enough to admit your mistake, as is usual for you.
    You made a fool of yourself by trying to insult one of your betters with an ersatz insult, one you just made up. Pathetic.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    And now he can’t do that anymore. Why? Because the media found out he was there.

    We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world. And now the Brits have to pull him out because he has become what he so aptly describes as a “bullet magnet”. It doesn’t seem that he’s as worried about his own safety as much as for the safety of the soldiers around him. By default they share that danger. So he had to go.

    That’s shameful. Any British journalist who published it should be charged either with Treason or conspiracy to assassinate a member of the royal family.

    And if Drudge had it, that means someone else did too.

  • 2Hotel9

    12yrold, you are attempting to tell us that the other 30 countries committed to the Coalition are irrelevant? I’m sure they will appreciate the fact you are a leftarded moron and ignore you, just like Drudge and your mother do.

    lestupid, you still have not provided any proof that any American citizen is being stripped of their Constitutional Rights by the current Admin. Hell, you never gave us that list of American citizens being persecuted under any provision of the Patriot Act. Well? We are waiting. Prove your lying assed bullshit.

  • 2Hotel9

    This is the bestest hissy fit sannitized has thrown yet! Keep it coming, I need the laughs.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Rodney and Carrick are just too big of a baby to admit they are wrong,

    And so you demonstrated how an adult would respond???

  • robert108

    I meant it was derisive…

    We know what you meant; you’re just wrong. You started off wrong, and have continued in the same direction, despite being thoroughly schooled in the truth.

  • Lestat

    That is not “the whole purpose of a free press”, especially when it comes to protecting the nation from its enemies. I guess you don’t know this, but there are many levels of classification. Some of them carry criminal penalties for any citizen to disclose. Just because the Bush administration has been soft on the NYT shouldn’t give you the idea that what they did was OK, or even legal.

    Actually I had a TS/SCI clearance. I am aware of the statutes. I think they are unconstitutional. I think the government agrees with me. It was not out of the goodness of their heart that they were soft on the NYT. It was because they knew they would lose the battle.

  • andydakota

    Drudge is a rightie just like R108. R108 supports Drudge who put our ally England in harm’s way. Righties lie, it’s all they have.

  • 2Hotel9

    Sorry, sannitized, the Tabloids beat you to it. They had articles about both young Royals pushing to serve after school, about 2 years ago. And I predicted Harry would serve as a FIST, that being the AIS training he excelled at. Personally, I think they should allow the young troop to pursue his chosen career. He can raise a Regiment of Gurkas by unfurling the Windsor family guidon. And we know how much that scares you. Gurks are already kicking the shit out of your heroes. Just imagine what they would do with a unifying leader! Your buttbuddies would be fucked. Even more so than they already are!

    Your world really sucks. And that is funny!

  • Hannitized

    Riddle us this, ratman, why were the Spaniards called Dagoes?

    Who the fuck cares? The argument is about the use of the word LIMEY.

    I used the insult correctly and your dipshit Rodney put his foot in his mouth. Because he has a uneducated understanding of the insult.

  • Hannitized

    We all know the story by now. The media, surprisingly led by the Drudge Report, found out he was in Afghanistan and blasted the news all over the world. And now the Brits have to pull him out because he has become what he so aptly describes as a “bullet magnet”.

    The media? YOUR media…after all Bat claimed him this morning.

    He got what he wanted for a while, but thanks to our media, to whom a scoop is the most important thing, a story better than a secret, he can’t do it now.

    Yes, your media, not the lefts.

    It’s not something I would expect the pacifists or the leftists or the whiners to understand, but it was such a simple thing that he can’t have.

    Well, too bad it was the right who blew it….isnt it?

  • robert108

    I’m still standing up for the people’s right to
    know.

    At least you’re not being a hypocrite on this one, Lestat. Accusing me of hatred for pointing out (not)Hannitized’s hypocrisy was a bit off, though.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    OK

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    You crack me up most of all r-Gumby.

    Uber Nutter.

  • 2Hotel9

    “See a pattern here Pilgrim??” Yes, we see a pattern. You and the 12yrold can’t read, sannitized.

    Anyone who pays attention to the news knew that PH was deployed to Afghanistan. If you did not know you ain’t paying attention to the news. No surprise from the leftards screeching about Drudge.

    PP, once again you come down on the side of silencing citizens. You and Juan McC ought to be so happy together. As long as you swallow.

  • Neiman

    When have I not stood up for the freedom of speech or religion?

    I am not suggesting you haven’t, I am sorry for the wrong impression, my question was more rhetorical in nature, why does the Freedom of the Press generally seem more sacred than the rest and free from being infringed.

  • Hannitized

    An Australian women’s magazine reported on Harry’s deployment last month, but that report received little attention. When the news was posted on the Drudge Report Web site on Thursday, the dam burst.

    Again, it was LED BY DRUDGE. Not the “media”.

    Further, Pilgrim didnt know of this when he wrote his post. So the criticism of Pilgrim remains in tact, regardless of your little spin.

    Several organizations–including The Associated Press–agreed to keep the news under wraps to protect the prince and his fellow soldiers until the informal embargo was broken Thursday by the Drudge Report Web site.

    Thats what Pilgrim new and that’s what he ignored.

    I can read, you can’t be honest.

  • Hannitized

    Jeezuz. You guys are so frickin idiotic.

    So if they are called limeys because they ate lime to prevent scurvy instead of lemons. WHY IS THAT A FUCKING INSULT YOU TWITS????

    You guys are just too stupid for words. You know HALF the answer, you dopes.

    Essentially this is correct that limes were used to prevent scurvy on some british ships.

    The reason it is considered a slur is that originally lemons were used on
    long voyages to prevent scurvy, but some ship owners thought that this was
    too expensive and so substituted CHEAPER limes which basically worked though perhaps not as effectively.

    So someone ‘ I think possibly of French origin’, wishing to slight or
    disparage the British called them ‘LIMEYS’, as a mild insult implying that
    the British were more concerned with profit that the well-being and health
    of the seamen.

    thus essentially to call someone a ‘Limey’ is to insult them by implying
    they are a cheapskate or mostly concerned with profit (CASH).

  • robert108

    Did you seriously think I had no idea that limey has multiple interpretations?

    Not in this country. “Nice” comment.

  • http://rotstar.blogspot.com/ LifeTrek

    Just to clarify, Drudge (clearly in order to get page hits and bragging rights) found out about this story and couldn’t wait to get it online for the world.

    However the information was already out there. An obscure Australian fashion magazine printed the information last month but and it was picked up in a German news story after that. Drudge ran it this week.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8393413?nclick_check=1

    It is a shame his mission was ended early and it is commendable that the press held it as long as they did, but it was already out there before Drudge, he just pimped the story out (can I still say that without getting in trouble or is it only when it is about Chelsea that it is bad?).
    DKK

  • Hannitized

    Hahaha. Yeah, nobody called Limes, limes back then. Thats why it was such a unique thing to call Brits limeys, because everybody called lemons…limes.

    Yeah, that’s the ticket.

  • 2Hotel9

    And to elucidate and expound, British, and later American, sailors called Spaniards dagoes, not because of a mispronunciation of the name Diego, but because of the habit of heaving their ships to at night. Morgan and Drake used that to great advantage many times.

  • robert108

    RG: As is usual with that troll, much ado about nothing.

  • Hannitized

    You guys are going nowhere. Why is eating LIMES an insult? Anyone have any damned idea?

    I do! You don’t! Get the picture???

    History

    Scurvy was probably first observed as a disease by Hippocrates.[4] In the 13th century the Crusaders suffered from scurvy frequently, and it has inflicted terrible losses on both besieged and besieger in times of war. Scurvy was one of the limiting factors of marine travel, often killing large numbers of the passengers and crew on long-distance voyages. It even played a significant role in World War I.

    The British civilian medical profession of 1614 knew that it was the acidic principle of citrus fruit which was lacking, although they considered any acid as acceptable when ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) was unavailable. In 1614 John Woodall (Surgeon General of the East India Company) published his book “The Surgion’s Mate” as a handbook for apprentice surgeons aboard the company’s ships. In it he described scurvy as resulting from a dietary deficiency. His recommendation for its cure was fresh food or, if not available, oranges, lemons, limes and tamarinds, or as a last resort, Oil of Vitriol (sulfuric acid).[5]

    In 1734, the Leiden-based physician Johann Bachstrom published a book on scurvy in which he stated that “scurvy is solely owing to a total abstinence from fresh vegetable food, and greens; which is alone the primary cause of the disease.” and urged the use of fresh fruit and vegetables as a cure. However, it was not until 1747 that James Lind formally proved that scurvy could be treated and prevented by supplementing the diet with citrus fruit such as lemons and lime. James Cook succeeded in circumnavigating the world (1768-71) in HM Bark Endeavour without losing a single man to scurvy, his suggested methods, including a diet of sauerkraut and wort of malt, were of limited value. Sauerkraut was the only vegetable food that retained a reasonable amount of ascorbic acid in a pickled state. In Cook’s time it was impractical to preserve citrus fruit for long sea voyages. More important was Cook’s regime of shipboard cleanliness, enforced by strict discipline, as well as frequent replenishing of fresh food.[6] The first major long distance expedition that experienced virtually no scurvy was that of Alessandro Malaspina, 1789-1794. Malaspina’s medical officer, Pedro González, was convinced that fresh oranges and lemons were essential for preventing scurvy. Only one outbreak occurred, during a 56-day trip across the open sea. Five sailors came down with symptoms, one seriously. After three days at Guam all five were healthy again. Spain’s large empire and many ports of call made it easier to acquire fresh fruit.[7] Despite advances, British sailors throughout the American Revolutionary period continued to suffer from scurvy, particularly in the Channel Fleet. The eradication of scurvy from the Royal Navy was finally due to the chairman of the Navy’s Sick and Hurt Board, Gilbert Blane, who finally put Bachstrom and Lind’s long-ignored prescription of fresh lemons to use during the Napoleonic Wars. Other navies soon adopted this successful solution.[5]

    The plant known as “scurvy grass” acquired its name from the observation that it cured scurvy, but this was of no great help to those who spent months at sea. During sea voyages, it was discovered that sauerkraut was of extremely limited use in preventing scurvy.[citation needed] In the Royal Navy’s Arctic expeditions in the 19th century it was widely believed that scurvy was prevented by good hygiene on board ship, regular exercise, and maintaining the morale of the crew, rather than by a diet of fresh food, so that Navy expeditions continued to be plagued by scurvy even while fresh meat was well-known as a practical antiscorbutic among civilian whalers and explorers in the Arctic. At the time Robert Falcon Scott made his two expeditions to the Antarctic in the early 20th century, the prevailing medical theory was that scurvy was caused by “tainted” canned food.

    The use of limes by the British Royal Navy to prevent scurvy gave rise to the name “limey” for an English immigrant in the former British colonies (particularly America, New Zealand and South Africa). The use of this word has been extended to include all British people in American slang. [8]

    In 1927, Hungarian biochemist Szent-Györgyi (who won the 1937 Nobel Prize for Medicine) isolated the compound “hexuronic acid” while working with antioxidant compounds in the adrenal cortex. [9] It was not until 1932 that the connection between vitamin C and scurvy was established by American researcher Charles Glen King of the University of Pittsburgh. [10]

  • Hannitized

    The Vitamin C Story

    “On 20th May, 1747, I took twelve patients in the scurvy … Their cases were as similar as I could have them,” begins Dr. Lind’s report. His conclusions showed “that the most sudden, and visible good effects were perceived from the use of the oranges and lemons; of those who had taken them being at the end of the six days fit for duty.”

    Did the medical world of his day rejoice? No. Rather, the idea that diet causes scurvy was scorned and repudiated. Did not the crews of some ships drink lemon juice and still have scurvy? Unfortunately, this was true, but they had boiled the lemon juice, destroying what we now know as vitamin C.

    Finally, some forty–seven years later, the British Admiralty allowed Lind to repeat his experiment. A whole fleet of ships was supplied with enough raw lemon juice for a twenty–three–week voyage. The results were so spectacular that a year later, in 1795, lemon juice ( later replaced by lime juice ) was made part of the regulation diet of British seamen. Scurvy was no longer “master of the waves,” and even today British sailors are nicknamed “limeys”!

    http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/howfindv.htm

    There!

    Where are your argument now?

  • laydownSally

    H,

    Surf’s up.

    I had read once what salt water does to the brain, but was unaware that there were any living examples. That you are even able to type in your vegatative state is outstanding.

    But I should make you aware of some potentially dangerous long term effects. The last stage of which is fatal.

    Excess sodium will slow the reaction times of topoisomerase, an enzyme used in the transformation of DNA from its’ normally supercoiled state to that of the relaxed state, where it undergoes transcription.

    This is necessary for any of your cells, especially developing neurons to remain viable. Progression of this acute inclusion leads to the inability to communicate and distorted logic.

    It might be a good idea, since you enjoy riding the waves, to get in as much of this activity as soon as you can.

  • robert108

    Oh, I forgot:

    er·satz Listen to the pronunciation of ersatz Listen to the pronunciation of ersatz
    Pronunciation:
    \ˈer-ˌsäts, -ˌzäts, er-ˈ; ˈər-ˌsats\
    Function:
    adjective
    Etymology:
    German ersatz-, from Ersatz, noun, substitute
    Date:
    1875

    : being a usually artificial and inferior substitute or imitation < ersatz intellectuals>

  • Hannitized

    If you want something authoritative, try the dictionary. You won’t find your “definition”

    Really? Really? Then where does it say what you just quoted:

    English sailors used to cary limes on board to help prevent scurry, hence the denotation “limey”.

    Funny….i didnt see that in your dictionary definition. Hypocrite!

  • robert108

    I think they are unconstitutional.

    On what Constitutional basis?

    I disagree that the battle would have been lost; The President is too much of a panderer to engage in the fight. I guess he “shot his wad” with the tax rate reductions and fighting the war on terrorism, and had nothing left when it came to going after the traitorous NYT. Our loss.

  • Neiman

    Ummm…..we DO have a free press, as stated earlier, its called a JUDGEMENT CALL. You yourself admitted it was one.

    There are reasonable limits on all things in this life. Free Spech does not include yelling fire in a crowded theater. Free Press does not mean giving away military secrets, that is treason; and while lawful, it should not include exposing any soldier, for any cause to an unreasonable risk of death beyond that of his/her comrades. For this reason the strongest criticism of anyone involved in this affair is more than justified.

  • Hannitized

    It’s from a scholarly source, which I’ll against the ruminations of somebody on the web that you found, then tried in your intellectually lying-sack-of-shit fashion to pawn to us as if it were authoritative.

    Authoritative my arse. They called them limeys because Lemons offered more vitamin C and were much more difficult to find. Limes were used by the British at times, later, because of its cost.

    This is why it is derisive to call them limeys. As opposed to people who are simply using limes to cure scurvy, which makes no logical sense at all.

    You are being a retarded ape.

  • Hannitized

    “Nice” comment. Even your link says “limey” originated with the practice of preventing scurvy on long sea voyages.

    I see dum’ass is still trying to argue points that no-one is debating. The question is, genius, why is it derisive. Nobody is arguing that it didnt originate from its use. Why is it derisive? See above nit-wit.

  • robert108

    Lestat: I’ll give you this: as a clever leftie, you seek to use the Constitution of the United States against the United States. May you and your comrades fail in the attempt.

  • pparets

    andyDakota, proof, Hannitized: The absolutely most disingenuous, hypocritical defense for wrong-doing in the world is this: “Well, everyone else was doing it.”

    Outing a soldier in combat is wrong; horribly wrong.

    Matt Drudge’s actions in this matter are indefensible. Shame be on him and anyone else who did likewise.

  • 2Hotel9

    And sannitized is throwing another hissy fit. Yet again.

  • Hannitized

    No I think you do. A free press is more important tha n a Prince staying in combat two more weeks.

    Ummm…..we DO have a free press, as stated earlier, its called a JUDGEMENT CALL. You yourself admitted it was one.

    You are spinnin now Lestat.

  • Hannitized

    Calling a British sailor a “limey” is just good natured hazing, like Marines calling sailors “swabbies” and sailors calling Marines “jarheads”. You started out wrong, and have continued in the same direction.
    We schooled you.

    Hahaha….look at you guys squirm now. You always get that much flak when your over the target.

    1888, Australian, New Zealand, and South African slang for “English immigrant;” U.S. use is attested from 1918, originally “British sailor, British warship,” short for lime-juicer (1857), in derisive reference to the British Navy’s policy (begun 1795) of issuing lime juice on ships to prevent scurvy among sailors. In Amer.Eng., extended to “any Englishman” by 1925.

    You see that R o b b y? Derisive, good natured (lying sack-o-turd), not hazing (spinmiester)…they used the word to insult them because they didn’t care enough about their seamen to spend the money to protect them. PERIOD.

    You lost this argument man….get over it.

  • Hannitized

    Damn. Look at that boy dig. Did someone tell him there was a pony down there?

    Yeah, because I don’t let gang bangs win, there needs to be substance. That is the point for debating on a right-wing site vs. left. Because you guys go to any length to win small points without using substance.

    The truth of the matter is all of you putting your heads together cant change history or reality.

    Limes are the smallest members of the true citrus family and native to Southeast Asia or India. It is difficult to determine when the lime was first taken into cultivation as surviving documents do not distinguish it from other citrus fruits. An Indian medical work c. 100 CE refers to both the lemon and the lime as ‘jambira’, and later Arabic works seem to have used two words when referring to both. For the western world, the lime was first mentioned by Sir Thomas Herbert in 1677 when he referenced a site near the coast of Mozambique.

    Attempts to grow limes in Mediterranean countries were not successful because they were not hardy enough; but they do very well in Egypt, where they are more plentiful than lemons. Although limes will ripen to an orange colour if left on the tree, they are always picked “green”, possibly to distinguish them from the lemon. Limes are also widely grown in the West Indies, where the British Navy came to gather supplies to supplement their sailors’ rations to help prevent scurvy. “Limehouse”, in London’s docks, takes its name from the warehouses where the fruit was stored after arriving from the West Indies. India has also been known to produce a small sweet lime with a greenish-yellow rind and a non-acidic juice. It has a thin, fairly smooth green skin and a highly aromatic acidy flesh. Unlike lemons, limes will grow in tropical regions and are an essential ingredient in South-East Asian, Mexican, Latin American, and Caribbean cooking.

    limun succari (Egypt) (Citrus limettioides) is extensively grown in its native India, as well as throughout the Mediterranean. It may be a hybrid of four separate species, including the lemon and Key lime and/or citron. It has somewhat of a lower sugar content than the acid limes, but qualifies as sweet because it is almost completely devoid of acidity. It is used principally as a rootstock. It has a yellow rind with a distinctive and aromatic oil, pale yellow flesh, and a few, if any, seeds. Although it is succulent and juicy, its low acid count makes it an acquired taste. A Tahiti lime may have 6% citric acid count, and oranges 1%, but the Indian sweet lime often has less than 0.1%. This flat taste is popular in the Middle East and India, but is not in the West.

  • http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/ Consul-At-Arms
  • Neiman

    If we were at total war instead of this limited war I might agree that constitutional protections need to be suspended. But we are not. The Union is not at risk. We should stand by our principles.

    Forgive me Lestat, but I think this “The Constitutional principle cannot be dependent on your perceived slant of the media.,” statement would not be your position were the press slanted to the Right.

    We were attacked and 3000 people killed by Islamic terrorists, we know Bin Laden has ordered more strikes on our homeland, we know we have Islamic terrorists inside our borders, we know Islam has the desire, the means and the weapons to kill more Americans; and if we do not keep our own people alive in the face of this threat, what good is liberty to dead people? Our protection, as Lincoln said, was the love of liberty by our people, who will allow such restrictions only as long as they see them necessary and no longer.

  • Hannitized

    This argument is weak: The media led by Drudge suggests that Pilgrim thinks Drudge is part of the media when he criticized the media.

    Peter Piper led rats, doesnt make Peter Piper a rat. What you have to establish is that Pilgrim thinks hes part of the media. That was never established in this article.

    It is perfectly honest to say that Pilgrim shielded Drudge behind the media. There is no spin or cross to bear to make that argument. Only intelligence and ability to delineate words from meanings.

    Care to respond Kenny?

  • Hannitized

    What part of “All it would take is one!” didn’t you understand.

    Um, the reality part Proofypants. Did ya notice the articles that state the media sat on it until DRUDGE ran with the story? Try reading one Proof, you might learn something. I encourage you to read, it might help with your reading comprehension.

    No, you wont read or comprehend what the articles say because that little bit of reality is just too fatty for you to chew on, ya?

  • Hannitized

    Exactly, that is why the fourth estate has no legal obligation to protect state secrets. The whole purpose of a free press is to provide a check on governmental power.

    No response to the judgement call? Nothing about arguing we have a free press Lestat?

    I gotcha on that one and you changed the debate. Again, this was all about a judgement call. I am not making this a top secret matter. I am simply stating that the FREE PRESS didnt have to run with this.

    Drudge decided too because he lacked honor or he had poor judgement. Either way, the dude was a slimy limey.

    I can say it, Pilgrim cant.

  • Lestat

    It’s not the medias job to report on an individuals whereabouts in war when who is risking his life.

    Harry is a public figure and him being in a warzone is news. If he is captured it puts the UK in a compromising position.

    If the UK wants to send him to war than that is their choice. If they can keep it secret, much the better. But the media has no business colluding with the government to keep secrets. It is not what they do.

  • andydakota

    And that clarification on his condemnation would be where, Kenny?

  • Neiman

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    The Congress and SCOTUS, outside the Amendment process have already seriously amended and thus limited at least two of these basic rights (Speech and Religion); so why is Freedom of the Press the only one you would hold sacred and inviolable? That is my assumption on your part, of course.

    Otherwise, I must agree with Robert 108 in his 2:0 PM comments above.

  • robert108

    “The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses”

    - Vladimir Lenin

  • Hannitized

    Which, when one takes a moment to consider, reflects well on Pilgrim and poorly on Hannitzed. Why? Because it’s not true. Drudge may (or may not) be slimy, but as an American Citizen, he is certainly no limey.

    Once again, Rodney attempts to school my by pretending he knows what he is talking about, when he doesn’t. I used the word in its correct context. Something I am certain you had no knowledge of.

    thus essentially to call someone a ‘Limey’ is to insult them by implying
    they are a cheapskate or mostly concerned with profit (CASH).

    http://www.coolname.com/pipermail/maplepost-mirror/2004-January/019031.html

  • Lestat

    our “total war” argument is bunk, because this is total war, despite your predictable denial of that fact. Do you regard the imposition of sharia law to be “constitutional”?

    Total war actually has a definition. It is when a country mobilizes all available resources against an enemy. Do you really pretend that we are there. All most people have ever been asked to do is go shopping.

  • Lestat

    Media is a business. You get a story and you run with it. If the story is out, it is out. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle.

    It is also how the media works best. Once the media decides to start protecting governments than they cease their role as a watchdog and we are all worse off.

  • Bat One

    Exactly, that is why the fourth estate has no legal obligation to protect state secrets. The whole purpose of a free press is to provide a check on governmental power.

    Not exactly at all.

    Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 798:

    Disclosure of classified information

    (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information–

    (1) concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or
    (2) concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or
    (3) concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or
    (4) obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes–

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

    Emphasis added… not to be foolishly mistaken for endorsement or promotion!

  • Bat One

    Drudge still sucks, though.

    And he was still wrong to publish the story about Harry… no matter who “leaked” it to him, or why.

  • robert108

    Lestat: I have to agree with Neiman that you would not be championing “freedom of the press” if our media were biased to conservatism, or even unbiased. As a leftie, you realize that the big media runs the political agenda in this country, and it’s in your leftie corner. Of course, you support “a free press” when it’s promoting your agenda, at the expense of our freedom to resist communism.

  • Hannitized

    DUH, BINGO, EXACTLY, and that is what you asked for! Are you even aware of what your debating? Your running in circles.

    Oh I get it now. So when I asked you to give me an article that stated the release was the medias fault, not Drudges, you give me an article that refers to Drudge as an element of the media, NOT THE ACTUAL MEDIA as in CBS, NBC, NYT or ABC, and I am supposed to be convinced of something. Got it.

    (koo-koo)

    Sorry dude, but you cant link to a quote that blames Drudge and then expect it to stick to someone else. That is just….well….S T U P I D.

    The article you leaked put the responsibility squarely on Drudge. Don’t you get tired of hearing that? Yet you never disprove that. Do ya?

  • Neiman

    Lestat:

    we are not at total war and should not be giving up our civil liberties.

    Once again, forgive my bluntness, but it is exactly because far too many people do not recognize that we are involved in a global war, a total war against Islam that we are in great danger. I would also ask you please, what civil liberties have we surrendered that has caused any harm to the people of America? How have these laws placed you or your family in any imminent danger?

  • 2Hotel9

    Riddle us this, ratman, why were the Spaniards called Dagoes?

  • robert108

    The Constitutional principle cannot be dependent on your perceived slant of the media.

    I thought you would deny the obvious bias of our media; otherwise you would have to admit that an agendized press isn’t protected by the Constitution. If it is inimical to the principles of the Constitution, and seeks to destroy the nation founded upon it, that agendized press must be sanctioned, at the very least.
    Your “total war” argument is bunk, because this is total war, despite your predictable denial of that fact. Do you regard the imposition of sharia law to be “constitutional”?

  • Hannitized

    Drudge repeated a story that was out there.

    And it was ignored, until HE ran with it.

    Even still, none of this gives Pilgrim a pass. Pilgrims post states nothing of this article, that everyone ignored.

    You are making a non-point Proof.

  • Hannitized

    This based from some off-the-cuff remark somebody made on another thread.

    I provided more than one link with the same statement.

    The problem is that you aren’t getting it. And you STILL are ignoring why is curing scurvy something bad, that results in derision???

    Just answer the question dope.

  • robert108

    Why is eating LIMES an insult?

    It’s not an insult; you just made that up.

  • robert108

    In any case, no one claims that revealing the Prince’s presence in Afghanistan in any way endangered Britain’s national security, whereas the NYT has done major damage to our national security. Much ado about nothing, IMO.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Matt should not have published this information.

    .

  • Pilgrim

    You don’t have the courage of conviction. Weak

    Wrong. I just don’t like arguing in pointless circles with obtuse fools.

    Calm down, dude. You’ll wet your pampers. There there….shhhhhhhh. It’s all right.

  • 2Hotel9

    Actually, it was used in a derogatory manner by American seamen and Marines as early as the War of 1812.

  • robert108

    “Nice” comment. Even your link says “limey” originated with the practice of preventing scurvy on long sea voyages. If you don’t know what “originated” means, look it up. You’re just wrong, and no amount of blather and bluster will change that.
    Your continued ignorance has become boring.

  • Lulu

    Harry did not run to Canada. He serve his country. Many young Americans refuse to serve their country because they want the good life, by that time, it will be too late, for an another 9-11 is coming with the our enemies choosing the time and place…. News outlets (Drudge Report) made their money on news and human life has no meaning as long their is a profit. (Capt USAF Ret)

  • Hannitized

    I said YOUR dictionary definition….you dishonest dipshit.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary

  • 2Hotel9

    “I used the insult correctly and your dipshit Rodney put his foot in his
    mouth. Because he has a uneducated understanding of the insult.” You used it wrong, dipshit. Drudge is from Tacoma Park MD, not England. Give it another go. google is not your enemy.

  • 2Hotel9

    They were stopping outbreaks of illness, and that made them cheap. OK.

  • WOOFX

    President Bush was stunned when he heard Prince Harry was in Afghanistan on the front line.
    “His dad couldn’t get him out of it? ”

  • WOOFX

    The British and European press were aware of Harry’s deployment, they protected the Prince and his comrades by not publishing.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Is it strange that one of the things I love best about blogging is following endless comments-section debates about obscure bits of trivia like this?

    I mean, I thought the FICO/FICA fiasco was unique in its length and level of hostility…but this limey debate is giving it a run for the money.

    By the way, Hannitized, if you’re gonna stick around and give us all hell you may as well get registered and get an avatar. Maybe a reader blog too.

    I mean, why not?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I appreciate the offer. But, do you really want “me” putting my opinions up in black and white?

    Why not? All opinions are welcome here.

    But yeah, get an avatar. Much easier to tell everyone apart.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Drudge is a rightie just like R108. R108 supports Drudge who put our ally England in harm’s way.

    I’m not sure how much to the right Drudge is. If he’s to the right at all, he’s a Pat Buchanan style conservative.

    But even so, just because Drudge thinks something doesn’t mean R108 thinks it. I mean, I disagree with Joe Lieberman on just about every issue…but he’s right about the war.

    People who aren’t blinded by partisanship are capable of making these distinctions.

  • WOOFX

    President Bush was stunned when he heard Prince Harry was in Afghanistan on the front line.

    “His dad couldn’t get him out of it? ”

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