Harry Reid: Iraq Worse Than Vietnam

Vietnam, without a doubt, is the darkest campaign for the American military. We invaded, escalated, lost tens of thousands of our troops and ultimately left that country with our tails between our legs as support for the war crumbled here at home. We can argue about whether or not the outcome would have been different had certain variables been changed, but as water under the bridge it was no victory for American foreign policy. It can be, and is by this observer, considered the worst American foreign policy flop of all time. It didn’t have to be, but the end result is what it is.
We lost some 58,000 American troops in Vietnam from 1959 to 1975, or an average of about 3,600 troops a year. A terrible price to pay for a military campaign in which we ultimately did not achieve our objectives.
Now given Vietnam’s status as an foreign policy flub, the left has been quick to compare Iraq to that earlier conflict. In the past those comparisons, by mainstream politicians at least, has been limited to statements about Iraq being “like” Vietnam. Or having Vietnam overtones.
But now, Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has broken new ground in the Iraq vs. Vietnam debate. He is actually saying that Iraq is worse than Vietnam.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — After months of heated rhetoric slamming President Bush’s Iraq policy, the Senate’s top Democrat moved into new terrain by declaring the Iraq war a worse blunder than Vietnam.
“This war is a serious situation. It involves the worst foreign policy mistake in the history of this country,” Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada, told CNN’s “Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer.”
“So we should take everything seriously. We find ourselves in a very deep hole and we need to find a way to dig out of it.”
Asked whether he considers it a worse blunder than Vietnam, Reid responded, “Yes.”

So far we’ve lost 3,136 troops in Iraq. The war is just one month shy of four years, so that’s about 784 troops a year. The total for casualties in Iraq since the war began nearly four years ago is roughly equal to just one year’s body count for Vietnam.
Yet to Reid, Iraq is the worse foreign policy blunder.
Can we set politics aside for a moment? Can we all just forget about how we feel about the decision to invade Iraq and about what’s going on there right now, take a step back, and admire Harry Reid’s comments in all their mind-blowing stupidity?
I mean, c’mon. Whatever side of the debate you’re on when it comes to the war, can we agree that saying it’s somehow worse than Vietnam is irresponsible political rhetoric from a blind partisan more worried about advancing his party’s agenda than advancing sound U.S. foreign policy?
When some right-wing politician tries to paint a cheery picture of Iraq, as though nothing were going wrong there, that politician deserves to be mocked and ridiculed. But on the flip side, when someone like Reid says something as stupid as that which he’s quoted saying above he also deserves to be mocked and ridiculed. Because what he said is dumb, and simply isn’t supported by fact.
Anyway, here’s some video of the comments quoted above as well as some other comments by Reid during an interview with Wolf Blitzer:


Reid responds to a question from Wolf about “dire predictions” from the recently-released National Intelligence Estimate as to what would happen if Democrats got their way America engaged in a rapid withdrawal from Iraq which would leave Iraqi security forces on their own before they were ready, something that would undoubtedly result in chaos and masses of civilian casualties. Reid responds by saying that the NIE report does predict that a rapid withdrawal “would cause problems,” but then states that no Democrat is calling for a “rapid withdrawal.” He must not have gotten the memo yet on Hillary’s 90 days plan yet, but whatever. What’s interesting is that he goes on to talk of Democrat plans calling for redeployment and training Iraqi security forces, counter-terrorism operations, etc. What’s dumb is that a big reason why we’re not able to do that force training and counter-terrorism now is that both the American and Iraqi security forces have about all they can handle fighting off the terror insurgency now. The whole point of the surge is to push back that insurgency for some breathing room so that the training, etc. can take place.
The paradox in the Democrat plans for Iraq, at least the version that’s coming from Reid’s mouth, is that somehow our troops are supposed to do the training of Iraqi security forces they’re having trouble with now with fewer troops. It’d be nice if some Democrat could explain how, exactly, we’re going to pull that off, but I suspect the truth is that our military isn’t expected to pull it off. They’re expected to fail so that Bush looks like an idiot and the Dems can score a political victory.

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  • http://Array Bat One

    I was slamming his obvious lack of Christianity.

    Puzzle,

    Your God-awful presumptuous condescension aside, you ought to at least answer the man’s question and explain how it is that he lacks Christianity in your view.

    Personally, I’d love to hear you try and explain not just what you perceive the Christian faith to entail, but how it is that a liberal like you, fairly dripping in tolerance, inclusiveness, and diversity, feels so compelled to attack others over their religious beliefs.

  • Puzzlefeet

    No, nice try tho lik, I was slamming his obvious lack of Christianity. Nice try tho.

  • docdave

    Neiman, your rhetoric is not Christ-like and dripping with hatred and Christ would never talk in such terms.

    Looks like your pen has overriden her brain again, pz. Name one thing that Neiman wrote that is dripping with hatred . Can’t do it can you? And your appeal to Jesus Christ to justify your hateful comment illustrates how shallow and thougthless it was.

  • http://www.legalcpu.com/ slatch

    I think G. Bush didi a mistake to invade Iraq. War should be the last option not first. It not only creats bad impression for Americans in the world but also creat so many economic and social problems for the whole world.

  • Puzzlefeet

    Neiman, your rhetoric is not Christ-like and dripping with hatred and Christ would never talk in such terms. That is the point I was making with your unchristian remarks.

    B1 now do you get it.

  • HG

    To charge someone with hate requires one to know the motives or heart’s attitude in the accused’s comments or actions; and involves judging others, which Christ clearly prohibits.

    Neiman, Please explain. Christians cannot judge others, or do you mean other’s motives — as the context of your comment suggests?

  • ran

    pessimist?..cept when he’s buying land in Neveda..

  • Neiman

    HG: We are commanded not to judge the eternal fate of another human being; that is, whether or not they are saved. I felt that was the implication of Puzzlefeet’s accusation against me. My comments according to him were unChristian and therefore I felt he was saying my claims to being a Christian were false or questionable.

    Further, to judge someones motives is to judge their heart, which none of us can really know, only the person and God know for sure. yet, we can surely look at what they say and do and make a reasonable judgment about what they appear to be saying or feeling and not violate God’s Word.

    It’s late and so this example may need a little tweaking when I am more alert; but let us say a person claims to support a woman’s choice about whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. While it may not be clearly stated by them, is it reasonable to conclude they support the termination of the life of that innocent fetus as well? Since the inevitable outcome of choosing to terminate the pregnancy will be the death of the fetus, then the person supporting choice by extension approves of abortion itself. It is then false to say ‘I support a woman’s right to choose and not abortion,’ for in many cases that ‘choice’ will involve abortion and the person suporting choice knows that fact to be true. That is judging a person’s words or actions and making reasonable conclusions thereby. However, to say the woman getting the abortion is a hell bound murderer and sinner and the person supporting her choice is a hell bound accomplice to murder is not approved by the Lord. We are to love both the woman and those supporting her choice and pray for their soul and leave all judging of the soul to God alone.

    A little long, but I hope I am being clear!

  • Neiman

    Puzzlefeet: I am always amazed that people little acquainted with Christ decide what He would say and not say and what Christians should say or not say. I would remind you of two things about God: 1. Christ was not shy about calling religious minded people snakes or whitewashed tombs, which was hardly complimentary; yet no man can ever honestly charge God with hatred, His voluntary death for even His enemies gives lie to that charge. 2. God is Love, but He is also a God of Justice and He will, during the Great Tribulation and on Judgment Day, pour out His wrath on a world that chose a thief and murderer and killed His Son. (Yes, Zsa Zsa – the foregoing was preachy, which I know you hate)

    To charge someone with hate requires one to know the motives or heart’s attitude in the accused’s comments or actions; and involves judging others, which Christ clearly prohibits.

    I stated truthfully my opinions on the actions of the Democrats and a few Republicans in Congress in turning their backs on our troops in Iraq, just as they did to my generation in Vietnam. I lamented their cowardice and lust for power at the expense of the lives of our soldiers and the people of Iraq. There was not one word expressing hatred in my comments.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Neiman, your rhetoric is not Christ-like and dripping with hatred and Christ would never talk in such terms.

    Saying that Neiman was “dripping with hatred” in his comment says a bit more about you than it does Neiman. “Hatred” does not mean disagreement with Puzzlefeet.

  • Puzzlefeet

    Neiman, I see you Christian brotherhood is hard at work today.

  • Neiman

    SmellyPuzzleFeet: What basis do you use to claim I am lacking Christ in any of the statements I made under this thread? I am quite curious!

  • LoadTheMule

    What Harry Reid knows about the lessons from Vietnam, much less the situation in Iraq, you can put in your ear and have room left for a Q-tip. I never thought I’d see a politican who’d make Tom Foley look charismatic, but I was wrong.

    Regards…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    slatch said, r v forgetting the principles of humanity.

    What are the principles?

  • http://www.legalcpu.com/ slatch

    religion*

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    He has to be one of the least inspiring senate leaders in some time. Man If I was having trouble sleeping I would just need to put a tape of him in my VCR and I would be out like a light

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Puzzlefeet said, No, nice try tho lik, I was slamming his obvious lack of Christianity. Nice try tho.

    “Nice try tho”? It wasn’t a game. I wasn’t trying anything.

    Why did you bring up religion to begin with? Where was “his obvious lack of Christianity”? You were really reaching with that statement.

  • Andrew Bryant

    Did you catch the part when Harry Reid said he was a pessimist? He claims, that way he’s never disappointed.

    Gee, what great leadership skills. I bet he could inspire men. Not.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Neiman, I see you Christian brotherhood is hard at work today.

    Slamming Christianity yet again, Puzzlefeet?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I think G. Bush didi a mistake to invade Iraq. War should be the last option not first.

    You think it was the first option?

    Are you just spamming for your website?

  • Neiman

    1. I cannot help but think of Sam Johnson, my brother and so many people that went to Vietnam and risked their lives because they loved their country. They were stabbed in the back mostly by cowardly, power hungry Democrats, they were brought home in dishonor and hundreds of thousands of people in Vietnam were tortured, maimed and killed is acts of revenge by the North Vietnamese. It was not a failure of our troops, our defeat was caused by members of Congress unwilling to stand by their word and our soldiers all in their lust for power.

    2. I see a horrible rerun of Vietnam being produced and directed by cowardly, power hungry Democrats just like Vietnam; and, just like Vietnam our troops are being dishonored and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s will be murdered by the Shiites of Iraq and Iran, with the able assistance of Al Queda.

    Dirty Harry Reid, Prime Minister Pelosi, Lord Haha Murtha, the rest of the Democratic Party and a handful of traitorous Republicans make me ashamed to be an American.

  • http://www.legalcpu.com/ slatch

    likwidshoe, my purpose is not to hurt anyone. It was just my point of view. I think, we should view this world in a broader aspect, away from the thinking of nationalism. You know, Jesus was not for a nation but for the whole world.His teaching is the principles of life. try to forget bad experiences, If someone did wrong, this does not mean that you did wrong more than him to revenge. You should try to convert his bad thinking to positive thinking. God do not make any discrimination between human beings. Everyone has red blood, two eyes,ears, nose senses. I mean This is us who make discriminations. If you born in America you are americam and if you born in Africa you are African. but there is same oxygen in America and America to breath. It is just our thinking which creats discrimination. So my point is that all humans are equal and we should think for each other above the level of nationalism at the level of humanity. If someone is wrong we should argue to tell him the right path rather than use force.
    You may differ from my point but hope u don’t mind.

  • http://www.legalcpu.com/ slatch

    Nice said ” What are the principles? “

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Is something wrong slatch? Did you stumble and fall down in your attempted response? I ask again: what are the “principles of humanity”? What does that even mean?

  • http://www.legalcpu.com/ slatch

    It’s wrong to see everything with the galsses of relirion. r v forgetting the principles of humanity.

  • http://www.legalcpu.com/ slatch

    One point i wana include as i describe the difference of nationality in the same way we shouldn’t weight everything in a religious scale. if you are christian it is not nessary that everyone should be christian let everybody live with his own thinking.whenever, a nation or family lose it’s will of compromising, nothing remain except disaster. World history proved this many time. So think positive, live hapily with others without thinking of any discrimination, don’t think he or she is black or white, jew, christian or muslim, rich or poor, tall or short.
    Just think for a while this is only humans to whome you can communucate. you can’t communicate or share ur pains with animals,trees,birds etc. If a gap develop between humans and noone share his feelings with others what will happen? So, I again say being a human we should live and compromise eash other. If you got my point, it’s good, if not then i think it should be your first attempt of compromising.take care

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