Harry Reid Calls General Pace, General Petraeus “Incompetent”

Wow…

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, “incompetent” during an interview Tuesday with a group of liberal bloggers, a comment that was never reported.
Reid made similar disparaging remarks about Army Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said several sources familiar with the interview.
This is but the latest example of how Reid, under pressure from liberal activists to do more to stop the war, is going on the attack against President Bush and his military leaders in anticipation of a September showdown to end U.S. involvement in Iraq, according to Democratic senators and aides.

Reid may now think Gen. Petraeus is incompetent, but he and the rest of his Democrats certainly didn’t think so when they voted unanimously to appoint General Petraeus (even after he spent most of the hearing talking about his intent to implement the President’s “surge” strategy that the Dems have now branded a failure before it’s even been entirely implemented) to run the war in Iraq on January 27th of this year. Less than six months ago.
Reid has spent a lot of time this year talking about the need for a “strategy for success” in Iraq. One wonders if that “strategy” of Reid’s includes voting to nominate Generals to win the war in Iraq then bad mouthing them behind their back and calling their plans a failure even before those plans have been fully implemented?
Because, to me, that’s not so much a “strategy for success” as it’s a “strategy to make America lose this war because that’s what works best for Democrats politically.”


Update: Think the media’s not biased? Try this comment from Hot Air on for size:

How … odd that this rather provocative comment from the Senate majority leader about the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the top military commander in Iraq went completely unreported until Politico got to it two days later.

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  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    General Patton would have probably agreed with Harry Reid.

    -Ronald Walter

    General Patton probably would have slapped Ronald Walter like that shell-shocked soldier that got him in so much trouble. However, this time, it would be justifiable!

  • Ronald Walter

    General Patton would have probably agreed with Harry Reid.

    General Patton would not have dinked around over there in Iraq. He would have gotten the job done and straightened out the mess in a New York nanosecond.

    Either fight the war and get it over with. There is too much dinking around with the mess that it is.

    Enough of the hand wringing and useless talk.

    Support the troops, bring them home. They’ll never get the job done the way it is going.

  • http://www.fileitunder.com/ Hoodlumman

    What a stupid analogy, Ronald.

    Patton didn’t have all of this convoluted ROE crap and a hostile media to deal with. He didn’t have to worry about civilian casualty blowback and he wasn’t fighting a guerrilla war.

    The more realistic analogy would be that Harry Reid would probably call Patton and Eisenhower incompetent if it was politically expedient to do so.

  • Bat One

    …has no source or attempt to confirm with Reid.

    GASP!!! Stop the presses! A Washington, DC source has requested anonymity.

    Funny, WOOF, I didn’t hear you and your liberal fellow travelers complaining when the State Department and CIA were leaking like a pasta sieve trying to undermine the president’s policies. Nor do I recall any protest from you when the NYT repeatedly published highly classified codeword intelligence gathering information in direct violation of federal law, again based on anonymous sources. Pretty selective with that indignation over unattributed news “tips” aren’t you?

    Can you say the word “hypocrite?” I just knew that you could.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    woof,

    Perhaps you were un-aware of this, as you seem un-aware of so many things, but the officers of the Armed Forces serve at the PLEASURE of the President of the United States. The Senate advises and consents to the appointment of those officers, and of those principal officials of the Executive Branch, but may only remove such officers by impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors. The President may fire any and all such should their performance fail to please him (which is why the firing of the U. S Attorneys is a non-scandal).

    In this case the President has chosen not to nominate General Pace (the first Marine Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) for a second term as CJCS. Reportedly, this was not a reflection of the President’s view of that officer’s competence and performance, but a calculation as to the political cost of confirmation hearings before a Senate which continues to try to declare defeat. Said prospect did not please the President, and in consequence, the President did not choose to allow General Pace to continue to serve.

    I think that choice stinks, but it is the Presdient’s choice to make.

    As regards Nancy Reid’s opinions of the competence of military officers, I’d sooner seek the medical advice of my HOA’s gardening staff.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Sgt. Balla wrote:

    But my point is that Woof and Reid alike have made comments on things which they are imminently NOT quailfied to comment on.

    From what I have seen neither of the folks you name has ever let a paucity of information deter them from forming and sharing an opinion. I further suspect that if they limited themselves to subjects on which they were actually reasonably well informed, we would hear from them not at all…

  • Bat One

    Iran has threatened to attack the US/Israel alliance anywhere in the world. Oil would climb to 250 dollars a barrel. Then the ‘Good Murkans’ will really whine and cry in their beer.

    Ronald Walter,

    You talk about the US being directly threatened, and all you expect of the American people is that they would cry in their beer?!

    Your are an imbecile, Sir, with exactly the same hopelessly pessimistic, partisan approach to this country and its citizens that made Jimmy Carter such an overwhelming favorite in the 1980 election… and since. That good men have died to save your sorry ass and your freedom to malign this country and its people is a tragedy of truly cosmic proportion.

  • Bat One

    Whatever Reid said about General Pace, it was Bush who fired the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Which is his prerogative since he is the Commander-in-Chief. Just as it was his constitutional prerogative as the nation’s chief executive to fire those US Attorneys, right?

  • http://www.vote-smart.org/ Mike

    Harry Reid’s voting record on Military Issues can be found at: Harry Reid’s Voting Record

    Harry Reid’s history of speeches on Military General Issues can be found at: Harry Reid’s Record of Speeches

    Harry Reid’s ratings from special interest groups on Military Issues can be found at: Harry Reid’s Interest Group Ratings

    For more information on Harry Reid’s position on Military Issues please visit Project Vote Smart or call our hotline at 1-888-VOTE-SMART.

  • Bat One

    Nor is there usually such a disclaimer when the press reports that their source is “a high government official.”

    If you have something more than wishful thinking to offer that Reid didn’t say this of Generals Pace and Petraeus let us all know, WOOF. After all, if sourcing is so important all fo a sudden, why not share your “source” with the rest of us?

  • http://www.fileitunder.com/ Hoodlumman

    Reid has to be one of the most inept leaders the senate has ever had.

    Inept, yes. And popular to the tune of 19% approval rating.

    Nice work, Harry!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    General Patton would have probably agreed with Harry Reid.

    ROTFLMAO!

    What a stupid analogy, Ronald.

    Note, too, that RW has to use dead people ( people unable to protest the use of their good names) to bolster his moronic assertions! What, Ronald? Couldn’t find another living human being other than Harry Reid to agree with you?
    Caligula, Jack the Ripper and the Marquis de Sade are all proud of you!

  • Bat One

    What’s amazing is that anyone with any sense at all would pay attention to Reid’s pronouncements on military matters or the competence of the flag officers that he, Reid, has voted to confirm.

    After all, the closest Harry Reid has ever come to military service was a part time gig as a Capital Hill security guard while he was attending law school some 40 years ago.

    Of course, Reid has made it something of a habit to criticize others without having the faintest idea what he’s talking about… only to have to excuse his own stupidity later.

  • Sgt Sam Balla

    Here’s what is really bothersome about these statements, from the perspective of a person who has ACTUALLY served in the military and ACTUALLY been to war in Iraq: the business of warmaking is vastly complex undertaking. Marines have been studying it and innovating on it for over 230 years. Gen Pace certainly has had s***loads of experience, training and education on the subject. He’s been a Marine for over 30 years. Reid is a non-veteran of any military anything. Him commenting on the professional abilities of Gen Pace is like asking a man which feminine wash is best. Somehow, i have the feeling that he has an opinion on that one as well.
    As for the Gen Patton comment by that “really smart guy”, Gen Patton was a). not a man to get involved in any politics, and b). not the man calling the shots in Europe. Eisenhower called the shots and Gen Patton followed the orders, free having the be responsible for the repercussions of doing his job the best he knew how. For an Army general, Gen Patton was a fantastic historical figure and i’ve been a big fan of his since i was a kid, so i’m not knocking him for what he accomplished. But my point is that Woof and Reid alike have made comments on things which they are imminently NOT quailfied to comment on.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Funny, WOOF, I didn’t hear you and your liberal fellow travelers complaining when the State Department and CIA were leaking like a pasta sieve trying to undermine the president’s policies. Nor do I recall any protest from you when the NYT repeatedly published highly classified codeword intelligence gathering information in direct violation of federal law, again based on anonymous sources. Pretty selective with that indignation over unattributed news “tips” aren’t you?

    Can you say the word “hypocrite?” I just knew that you could.

    It’s amazing how the left can shape things to meet their needs and discard them when it shoots holes in their lies/theories.

    Reid is a piece of shit, I am sick of his bumbling and fumbling. Reid has to be one of the most inept leaders the senate has ever had.

  • carrick

    RW:

    General Patton would have probably agreed with Harry Reid.

    Patton no doubt would have punched Reid’s lights out.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Harry is a good illustration of “death warmed over.”

  • Bat One

    ZZ,

    That smell is actually sulphur residue, the result of Reid’s persistent attempts to shoot himself in the foot before removing said foot from his own mouth. Nasty habit.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    I bet Harry Reids breath smells so bad!

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Perhaps you were un-aware of this, as you seem un-aware of so many things, but the officers of the Armed Forces serve at the PLEASURE of the President of the United States. The Senate advises and consents to the appointment of those officers, and of those principal officials of the Executive Branch, but may only remove such officers by impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors. The President may fire any and all such should their performance fail to please him (which is why the firing of the U. S Attorneys is a non-scandal).

    Why is it that the left has trouble with this concept.
    Seems when Clinton was in office he could fire who ever he wanted and the lefties could care less. Someday about 10 years from now when there is another dnc president I can’t wait till the right can cherry pick and bash a democratic president. Pay back is a bitch…

  • Neiman

    Ronald Walter: You have no understanding about Islam whatsoever, especially militant Islam or you could never make such an asinine statement about diplomacy. Yes they will negotiate, but Mohammed instructed Islam that agreements, even sacred contracts mean nothing, they are only a means to an end. What end? To allow them to gain ground through idiot, appeasement minded Democrats and liberals elsewhere, then break the agreement and attack again.

    This is a war for control of the entire world in the name of Allah and the people involved are madmen. You don’t negotiate with madmen.

  • Ronald Walter

    General Patton treated enemies like enemies, man.

    Eisenhower and Patton attacked WWI and Spanish-American War veterans under the orders of General MacArthur, orders not condoned by Herbert Hoover, when they routed the Bonus Army during the summer of 1932.

    Congress and Herbert Hoover never forgave MacArthur for his disobedience to President Hoover. The damage was done. Hoover never recovered. MacArthur was an instant has been.

    The Great Depression was a direct result of such brazen incompetence.

    The US might see the same consequences in the 21st century. Such buffoons some of the military commanders become. George Bush is to blame along with all of the other chickenhocks, aka neonincompoops. The chickens have yet come home to roost with the war in Iraq. When they do, you will know.

    Iran has threatened to attack the US/Israel alliance anywhere in the world. Oil would climb to 250 dollars a barrel. Then the ‘Good Murkans’ will really whine and cry in their beer.

    Buy energy stocks.

  • Sgt Sam Balla

    That is exactly right. Extremist Islamic “fighters” take drugs to keep themselves from a). backing down at the moment of truth and b). being able to be taken out by one bullet. They bury themselves in bunkers which they have no hope of getting out of just to take an American or two with before they’re killed. Suicide bombers. Look no further than Palestine to determine the lengths that an extremist group will go to achieve its desires. They attack their own people with viciousness. They cut off heads. They torture. They shoot people who are tied up. There is only one way to negotiate with people like that: not at all. They must be eliminated. Ronald, please read some books.

  • http://www.fileitunder.com/ Hoodlumman

    Ronald, do you want to sit here and type to us that Al Qaeda Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah, Iran, Syria, The Taliban, et al are the type of governments and people that can be negotiated with?

  • Ronald Walter

    If Iran attacks US interests anywhere in the world, the US military will respond in kind. Bombs away, dude.

    The markets will reel and roil. Instant crash. Life as you know it will never be the same.

    Diplomacy is the answer, man.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Ronald, please read some books.

    …or newspapers, magazines, fortune cookies

  • Neiman

    Sgt Sam Balla: There are several regular contributors to this blog that are veterans, myself included, plus I have a grandson heading back to Iraq and a Nephew there now; and I for one agree with you. Patton was a great combat general, but lousy at politics. Eisenhower came close to firing Patton but recognized his military genius. MacArthur like Patton was a crappy politician, but a great combat general. We would not have won WW-II without MacArthur, Patton and other brilliant combat generals, and their massive egos served them well in combat.

    Ronald Walter: 1. Yes Bush has made mistakes, but so did every other wartime President and most conservatives and Republicans, because unlike the Democrats we don’t blindly follow our leaders, have criticized Bush’ mistakes. 2. Further, you like most Democrats appear to be hoping for an American defeat in Iraq and the war on terror. 3. We were attacked and Saddam was an instrument to destabylize the Middle East and he violated 17 U.N. resolutions, so he had to take action. Unfortunately, Iraq was a no-win situation not on the battlefield, but because the Democrats worked overtime to give aid and comfort to the enemy and they have lusted after a major defeat of a President not of their party and they don’t care if it hurts America as long as they can hold onto power in Congress. 4. So don’t give us any crap about what may happen, if we are defeated the Democrats and the MSM caused our defeat and the high gas prices and a failed economy at home is the price the socialist Democrat Party is willing to pay for power.

  • WOOFX

    Bush throwing Pace overboard for political reasons?

    not a reflection of the President’s view of that officer’s competence and performance, but a calculation as to the political cost of confirmation hearings

    Normally a man in the General’s position would be allowed to resign.

    It was

    General Peter Pace, declined Monday to endorse the conclusions of U.S. military officers in Baghdad, who told reporters on Sunday that the Iranian government is providing high-powered roadside bombs to insurgents

    Talkin the Wrong Talk

  • WOOFX

    Whatever Reid said about General Pace,
    it was Bush who fired the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

  • WOOFX

    Note there is no claim of anyone requesting anonymity.

  • WOOFX

    How … odd that this rather provocative comment

    has no source or attempt to confirm with Reid.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I’m actually more concerned about what Reid said about Gen. Petraeus, an active General Reid voted for and is trying to win the war in Iraq.

    That’s pathetic. Talk about knifes in the back.

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