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Whew, sure glad Jane admits it was wrong to man an AA gun used to kill Americans.  Heck, no big deal, Jane, my dad had finished his 67 missions over NV and Hanoi in ‘68, at least you weren’t gunning for him.

“There are hundreds of American delegations that had met with the POWs,â€? REALLY!!  Well, that’s good to know, I’m sure it was a regular Hogan’s Heros type setting!  Tell it to the Stockdale, Stratton, Denton, Risner, McCain and other lesser known POWs.

I was there at Clark Air Base when these heros came home.  Since then, I’ve met over a half dozen of these “propangada” pawns that you won’t apologize to.  Fuck you, Jane..

(Sorry Rob, for the graphic language, one of the few issues that I can’t control myself on)

Once more, Rob mans the Keyboard Frontlines.

Hey, Jane Fonda acted on the courage of her convictions--agree or disagree with them.

Yet, we seem to have an awful lot of 20-something chickenhawks squawking about the necessity of a war based on lies.

It wasn’t just going over to hanoi and sitting in the gunmount or going on the radio. It was calling our POWs liars after they returned and spoke of their suffering at the hands of the damn VC. She called them LIARS and said the VC treated them better then they deserved.
Fuck you, jane you worthless piece of crap. I honestly hope you die a painful death and someone get’s it on film. It would be your best performance.
jadegoldwhatever, Real people acted on the courage of their convictions and this bitch sold them out. Been there, saw that! Ain’t no chickenhawk talking here, numbnuts!

maxxdog said, “jadegoldwhatever, Real people acted on the courage of their convictions and this bitch sold them out. Been there, saw that! Ain’t no chickenhawk talking here, numbnuts!”

Jadegold is our resident moron.  I swear he’s here simply to make the rest of us look brilliant in comparison.  Don’t let him bother you.  He’s just a hateful little troll.

Hey, Jane Fonda acted on the courage of her convictions–agree or disagree with them.

Yes Jadegold.  Too bad you lacked the courage of your own convictions or else we would have seen you positioned by Saddam Hussein’s regime as a humn shield in front of one of his munition dumps.

Or, wait...you only apply those sort of standards to the supporters of the war…

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Just one guy’s opinion:

In ‘67-’68 I served a tour in the Philippines (6 months of which was temporary duty in country).  In ‘69-70 I served a full tour in Vietnam.

Anyone who protested the war had a perfect right to do so and I have no heartburn with them.  Those who went to Canada rather than serve were granted amnesty and that’s as it should be.

What Jane Fonda did was nothing short of providing aid and comfort to the enemy and that crossed the line.  Had she stayed here and protested to her heart’s content I’d’ve had no problem with the courage of her convictions. But to visit Hanoi, be photographed first with POWs (them being shown off as ‘trophies’ then with live NVA armament, make radio broadcasts for Radio Hanoi, call POWs liars when they spoke of ill-treatment, and act as a willing surrogate for the North Vietnamese all went beyond the pale of protest.

She should rightly have been prosecuted but her public personna, the government’s unwillingness to further fan the fire, and the political tenor of the times kept that from happening.  If you weren’t around then it’s almost impossible to fully understand the fractious impact the war had.

I never had a problem with Jane’s protesting here at home, but even after all these years I can’t forgive her for going to North Vietnam.

Regards…

Shorter Chickenhawk SoA: Would you like that order super-sized?

C’mon guys, leave jadetroll alone. After all, he was a war veteran of....er...wait...thats right, HE DODGED THAT QUESTION. Yet he can sit there behind a computer and tell those that truly do have courage and join the fight that we are all cowards and chicken-hawks. Jade, what you fail to realize is the glaring fact that all of your pathetic name calling and flaming only make you look more like you really are: A sad old man who is ashamed of being a coward. Your incessant rants that are aimed at belittling other posters do nothing more than point out how sad and pathetic you are.

So, as I have said before, please feel free to run from the fight and hide like a little bitch. Don’t worry about feeling bad when you participate in your America hating, and please, don’t fret about the way you turn your back on those of us who have the guts to stand up and fight, because if you actually started developing values like honor and integrity, well, you wouldn’t be jadetroll, now would you?

You would actually be able to look in the mirror without shame. But I guess being a real man has no interest to you.

Son of America

P.S. Rob, keep up the good work

Shorter Chickenhawk SoA: Would you like that order super-sized?-jadetroll

Man,this is great! I don’t even have to type a comment, because you make my point for me. Jadetroll, you’re the best.

Cowardly Kerry and Canada Clinton would be proud. Keep up the good work, and remember,when the big kids scare you with their morals and integrity, you can always run to France, where surrender is the national pastime.

Son of America

Rob: You’re free to think as you wish; as always, though, you’re quite wrong a large percentage of the time.

I’m fairly confident SoA hasn’t served; there’s an outside chance he may be or was ROTC--but that’s the extent of it. I’ve spent my entire life around or in the military, so I’m pretty well-attuned to who is and who isn’t.  You can tell fairly quicklt who’s been, who hasn’t and who’s exaggerating to some degree.

Further, I never tar-and-feather anyone whose opinion disagrees with mine if they approach the issue truthfully and respectfully.  If they want to call me a traitor or a bitch or an America-hater--I’m not going to turn the other cheek.

Nor do I bash those who haven’t served if they can tell me why they require others to serve in their place.  If you truly believe this war was a necessity, you’ve got to step up and be willing to walk it like you talk it.

Jadegold, I’m curious.  How is it that you can bash those who do not/have not served in the military yet when confronted by someone who did serve (or is serving) differs from your own political outlook you immediate seek to tar-and-feather them?  Can’t you at least respect the soldiers that have served?

I get the feeling that a)you’ve never been near the military (or failed miserably at it) else you’d show more respect to fellow soldiers regardless of opinions and b)are incapable of granting any sort of respect to anyone who disagrees with you.

What a sad and bitter person you must be.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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You set a bet at an outrageous amount of money knowing that the person you were wagering with didn’t have that kind of money and was too honest to take the bet knowing that he couldn’t pay.

As far as I’m concerned, your service has been questioned.  Its put up or shut up time.  Prove it or live with the fact that it will be questioned.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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I know, Carrick.  I’ve often wanted to ban Jadegold.  Often, in fact, I’ve wanted to reach through the computer monitor and strangle him.  He’s insulting, yet I can’t help but feel that his dishonesty and blind partisanship do far more to discredit his line of thinking than anything I’ve ever written.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Rob says:

But your silly attempts to spin every issue under the sun into your favor makes me laugh, so its all good I suppose. We all have our delusions.

Hm… I don’t know Rob.  I guess it livens up the dialogue to have somebody play the Mattel version of Troll[tm].  Sometimes, however, it distracts entirely from any meaningful discussion of the posts…

It wasn’t an outrageous amount of money, Rob.  It was $10K.  I settled on that amount because it was doable for JFH, yet it would sting a bit for him to lose it.  Remember, I suggested putting the money in your hands and letting you decide.

And let’s face it--I could only pull this off once, so why not make it worth my while?

I settled on that amount because it was doable for JFH

Isn’t JFH the best judge of that?  Believe me, had he been able to afford to swing that bet he would have done it, given his feelings about you.

But you spin the issue once again.  If you want to lay claim to military service and the respect that goes with it kindly back up your claims.  Or shut up about them.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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I’ve often wanted to ban Jadegold.

Your blog, your rules.  You get to apply them however selectively as you wish.

He’s insulting, yet I can’t help but feel that his dishonesty and blind partisanship

I’ve never claimed to be non-partisan; in fact, I ‘ll gladly cop to being very partisan.

No, Rob, your problem isn’t that I’m insulting--I will treat people, regardless of their POV, as they treat me.  If they wish to lob pejoratives at me, they will see their fire returned.  No, your problem is that I’m correct and I back up what I say.

You demonize those you disagree with.  You get offended when others question your service but you freely question the service of those based on nothing other than the fact that you disagree with their politics.

You are a small and petty person, probably the most disrespectful and intellectually dishonest people I’ve come across.

But your silly attempts to spin every issue under the sun into your favor makes me laugh, so its all good I suppose.  We all have our delusions.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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You get offended when others question your service but you freely question the service of those based on nothing other than the fact that you disagree with their politics.

Offended? No. Remember I was the one willing to stand behind what I said to the tune of $10K.  I also was willing to put the wager amount into your hands for adjudication of the bet.

Rob:  You are right that JadeGold is a better spokesperson against the platform she espouses to defend than you could ever be.  Maybe, you could institute a partial ban?  Like have a category “Adult conversation” so occasionally meaningful dialogue could be carried out.  (The attempt to carry out a meaningful discussion on SS is a good example.)

I like your blog precisely because your posts are “grown up” .  It is sad to see your hard work get diminished by JGs childishly incessant need to be in the middle of the party.

Cheers.

JadeGold says:

No, Rob, your problem isn’t that I’m insulting

So… You’ve been banned from so many other blogs, not because of your churlishness, but rather because of your higher intellect?!

Damn you’re funny!!!!  Stop it, girl, you’re killing me.

Isn’t JFH the best judge of that? Believe me, had he been able to afford to swing that bet he would have done it, given his feelings about you.

Indeed, JFH is the best judge. But I also happen to know JFH and, yes, he could swing it without missing the mortgage payment.

If you want to lay claim to military service and the respect that goes with it kindly back up your claims.

Wrong. Do I care what you believe? Not particularly.  But if you wish to call me a liar--why don’t you make the wager JFH wouldn’t?  After all, I’m probably lying, right?  So, there’s no risk for you.

Fine with me, Rob.  If you’re going to be wrong most of the time, you might as well aspire to shoot for always wrong.

your problem is that I’m correct and I back up what I say.

Like I said, we all have our delusions.  It is my site, and my rules, and I let you comment here because you are much more efficient at discrediting your own line of thinking than I could ever be.

Do I care what you believe? Not particularly. But if you wish to call me a liar–why don’t you make the wager JFH wouldn’t? After all, I’m probably lying, right? So, there’s no risk for you.

Nice try, but if you want me to believe your claims you’ll back them up without any nonsense about a bet.  If you don’t want me to believe them, I won’t.

Your choice entirely.  Until the time you prove your claims I’ll run with the idea that you’re lying.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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"I’m fairly confident SoA hasn’t served; there’s an outside chance he may be or was ROTC–but that’s the extent of it. I’ve spent my entire life around or in the military, so I’m pretty well-attuned to who is and who isn’t. You can tell fairly quicklt who’s been, who hasn’t and who’s exaggerating to some degree."-jadetroll

Man,jadetroll, you never cease to amaze me. You say you have spent your entire life around the military, yet you suddenly disappear when someone asks you where you served. You say you are attuned to the actions of someone who is and isn’t. Do you remember why I started blogging here Jadetroll? NO? let me refresh your memory. You and GTL were attacking members of this blog for their support of our troops and the war. When your pathetic opinion about Iraq was shot to shit, you decided to start saying something to the effect of “if you believe in the war so much, why dont you go and fight?” Being the kind of person that would rather lurk and read posts than comment, I found myself getting angry. However, it wasn’t until you proceeded to denounce our soldiers that I commented.

You say that you have spent your whole life around the military. How then can you seriously talk shit on the same people you claim to be a part of? Do you really think that your pathetic attempts at discrediting my military involvment will actually cover up your lies? If you do, then you really are as stupid as you sound. The funny thing about this whole situation is that I NEVER wanted validation from you Jadetroll. I serve my country because I was meant to, not so I could come on sites like this and brag. As for you saying you are attuned to who is and is not a soldier, a real military man is a man of honor. Your repeated deceptive tactics and outright lies have proven to me and those in my unit that have seen the bullshit you spew that, if you were at sometime in the military, you are the textbook defination of why they created the dishonorable discharge.
So,go on with your ignorant rants about how our president is losing the war.(HAHAAHA) Like Rob said, you discredit yourself through your arguing skills more than I ever could.

So please, don’t ever change jadetroll. Keep up the baiting tactics. Just know that, when I go to sleep at night, I can feel good in the knowledge that I am a man of honor.But I guess you wouldn’t know anything about that.

Son of America

P.S.damn Rob, you sure do make a lowly blogger proud. Its guys like you that make what I do everyday worthwhile.Keep fighting the good fight and never back down.

son of america says, “Do you remember why I started blogging here Jadetroll? NO? let me refresh your memory. You and GTL were attacking members of this blog for their support of our troops and the war.”

For what it’s worth SoA, I hope you stick around and continue to comment here.

Thanks likwid, I definitely will. How could I turn down the opportunity to read awesome posts while being able to take out my rage on degenerate women like jadetroll?

BTW, I think your avid defense of those of us in the military is just as patriotic as being on the front lines. You don’t have to shoot a gun to defend your country, and you and Rob are definitely doing that. Maybe someday jadetroll and don “i surrender” myers will understand

On second thought, maybe not

Son of America

[...] Its something, I guess. Too bad its thirty years and two wars too late. And too bad its insufficient.Jane Fonda regrets her visit to a North Vietnamese gun site in 1972, the actress and fitness guru said in an interview with CBS television show “60 Minutes” to be aired Sunday.The actress defended her trip to Vietnam in 1972, which won her the nickname “Hanoi Jane.” But she said her visit to a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun site used to shoot down U.S. pilots was a “betrayal” of the U.S. military.“The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda’s daughter … sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal,” she said, calling the act, “The largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine.”But she said she did not regret visiting Hanoi, or being photographed with American prisoners of war there. I am a scholar of the Viet Nam war. I find this very hard to swallow.Jane is not sorry for anything except a bad choice of photo opportunity.In all seriousness, this seems insulting to those who fought bravely in Viet Nam, whether the United States was right or wrong to engage in action in that country, or whether detente was an effective policy. There is a significant difference between objecting to a country’s choice of action on foreign policy and taking out her hatred for this particular war on the men who fought it.What Jane Fonda did was nothing short of treason.Upon their return from duty, they were called liars, they were spit on, and then they were falsely accused of heinous acts in this woman’s prime cause, the Winter Soldier hearings.Hanoi Jane Fonda spoke on VC radio and encouraged the enemy through promotion. She used her money and influence at colleges and universities to gather support to advocate communism and encourage rebellion and anarchy against the United States Government. She personally sought out returning American soldiers from Vietnam to solicit them to publicly speak out against American atrocities against Vietnamese women and children during her broadcasts. North Vietnamese officials based in Canada allegedly coordinated her broadcasts.This apology hardly makes up for the lives that were lost because of her careless idealism.Maybe its time she visited The Wall.And while we’re on the subject, maybe its time for another Viet Nam relic to sign form SF-180 and release his war records.(Hat tip, Say Anything) [...]