Rob says:

But your silly attempts to spin every issue under the sun into your favor makes me laugh, so its all good I suppose. We all have our delusions.

Hm… I don’t know Rob. I guess it livens up the dialogue to have somebody play the Mattel version of Troll[tm]. Sometimes, however, it distracts entirely from any meaningful discussion of the posts…

son of america says, “Do you remember why I started blogging here Jadetroll? NO? let me refresh your memory. You and GTL were attacking members of this blog for their support of our troops and the war.”

For what it’s worth SoA, I hope you stick around and continue to comment here.

&heellip; Its something, I guess. Too bad its thirty years and two wars too late. And too bad its insufficient.Jane Fonda regrets her visit to a North Vietnamese gun site in 1972, the actress and fitness guru said in an interview with CBS television show “60 Minutes” to be aired Sunday.The actress defended her trip to Vietnam in 1972, which won her the nickname “Hanoi Jane.” But she said her visit to a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun site used to shoot down U.S. pilots was a “betrayal” of the U.S. military.”The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda’s daughter … sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal,” she said, calling the act, “The largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine.”But she said she did not regret visiting Hanoi, or being photographed with American prisoners of war there. I am a scholar of the Viet Nam war. I find this very hard to swallow.Jane is not sorry for anything except a bad choice of photo opportunity.In all seriousness, this seems insulting to those who fought bravely in Viet Nam, whether the United States was right or wrong to engage in action in that country, or whether detente was an effective policy. There is a significant difference between objecting to a country’s choice of action on foreign policy and taking out her hatred for this particular war on the men who fought it.What Jane Fonda did was nothing short of treason.Upon their return from duty, they were called liars, they were spit on, and then they were falsely accused of heinous acts in this woman’s prime cause, the Winter Soldier hearings.Hanoi Jane Fonda spoke on VC radio and encouraged the enemy through promotion. She used her money and influence at colleges and universities to gather support to advocate communism and encourage rebellion and anarchy against the United States Government. She personally sought out returning American soldiers from Vietnam to solicit them to publicly speak out against American atrocities against Vietnamese women and children during her broadcasts. North Vietnamese officials based in Canada allegedly coordinated her broadcasts.This apology hardly makes up for the lives that were lost because of her careless idealism.Maybe its time she visited The Wall.And while we’re on the subject, maybe its time for another Viet Nam relic to sign form SF-180 and release his war records.(Hat tip, Say Anything) &heellip;

It wasn’t an outrageous amount of money, Rob. It was $10K. I settled on that amount because it was doable for JFH, yet it would sting a bit for him to lose it. Remember, I suggested putting the money in your hands and letting you decide.

And let’s face it–I could only pull this off once, so why not make it worth my while?

JadeGold says:

No, Rob, your problem isn’t that I’m insulting

So… You’ve been banned from so many other blogs, not because of your churlishness, but rather because of your higher intellect?!

Damn you’re funny!!!! Stop it, girl, you’re killing me.

Rob: You are right that JadeGold is a better spokesperson against the platform she espouses to defend than you could ever be. Maybe, you could institute a partial ban? Like have a category “Adult conversation” so occasionally meaningful dialogue could be carried out. (The attempt to carry out a meaningful discussion on SS is a good example.)

I like your blog precisely because your posts are “grown up” . It is sad to see your hard work get diminished by JGs childishly incessant need to be in the middle of the party.

Cheers.

Rob: You’re free to think as you wish; as always, though, you’re quite wrong a large percentage of the time.

I’m fairly confident SoA hasn’t served; there’s an outside chance he may be or was ROTC–but that’s the extent of it. I’ve spent my entire life around or in the military, so I’m pretty well-attuned to who is and who isn’t. You can tell fairly quicklt who’s been, who hasn’t and who’s exaggerating to some degree.

Further, I never tar-and-feather anyone whose opinion disagrees with mine if they approach the issue truthfully and respectfully. If they want to call me a traitor or a bitch or an America-hater–I’m not going to turn the other cheek.

Nor do I bash those who haven’t served if they can tell me why they require others to serve in their place. If you truly believe this war was a necessity, you’ve got to step up and be willing to walk it like you talk it.

C’mon guys, leave jadetroll alone. After all, he was a war veteran of….er…wait…thats right, HE DODGED THAT QUESTION. Yet he can sit there behind a computer and tell those that truly do have courage and join the fight that we are all cowards and chicken-hawks. Jade, what you fail to realize is the glaring fact that all of your pathetic name calling and flaming only make you look more like you really are: A sad old man who is ashamed of being a coward. Your incessant rants that are aimed at belittling other posters do nothing more than point out how sad and pathetic you are.

So, as I have said before, please feel free to run from the fight and hide like a little bitch. Don’t worry about feeling bad when you participate in your America hating, and please, don’t fret about the way you turn your back on those of us who have the guts to stand up and fight, because if you actually started developing values like honor and integrity, well, you wouldn’t be jadetroll, now would you?

You would actually be able to look in the mirror without shame. But I guess being a real man has no interest to you.

Son of America

P.S. Rob, keep up the good work

It wasn’t just going over to hanoi and sitting in the gunmount or going on the radio. It was calling our POWs liars after they returned and spoke of their suffering at the hands of the damn VC. She called them LIARS and said the VC treated them better then they deserved.
Fuck you, jane you worthless piece of crap. I honestly hope you die a painful death and someone get’s it on film. It would be your best performance.
jadegoldwhatever, Real people acted on the courage of their convictions and this bitch sold them out. Been there, saw that! Ain’t no chickenhawk talking here, numbnuts!

Once more, Rob mans the Keyboard Frontlines.

Hey, Jane Fonda acted on the courage of her convictions–agree or disagree with them.

Yet, we seem to have an awful lot of 20-something chickenhawks squawking about the necessity of a war based on lies.

I’ve often wanted to ban Jadegold.

Your blog, your rules. You get to apply them however selectively as you wish.

He’s insulting, yet I can’t help but feel that his dishonesty and blind partisanship

I’ve never claimed to be non-partisan; in fact, I ‘ll gladly cop to being very partisan.

No, Rob, your problem isn’t that I’m insulting–I will treat people, regardless of their POV, as they treat me. If they wish to lob pejoratives at me, they will see their fire returned. No, your problem is that I’m correct and I back up what I say.

You set a bet at an outrageous amount of money knowing that the person you were wagering with didn’t have that kind of money and was too honest to take the bet knowing that he couldn’t pay.

As far as I’m concerned, your service has been questioned. Its put up or shut up time. Prove it or live with the fact that it will be questioned.

You demonize those you disagree with. You get offended when others question your service but you freely question the service of those based on nothing other than the fact that you disagree with their politics.

You are a small and petty person, probably the most disrespectful and intellectually dishonest people I’ve come across.

But your silly attempts to spin every issue under the sun into your favor makes me laugh, so its all good I suppose. We all have our delusions.

Jadegold, I’m curious. How is it that you can bash those who do not/have not served in the military yet when confronted by someone who did serve (or is serving) differs from your own political outlook you immediate seek to tar-and-feather them? Can’t you at least respect the soldiers that have served?

I get the feeling that a)you’ve never been near the military (or failed miserably at it) else you’d show more respect to fellow soldiers regardless of opinions and b)are incapable of granting any sort of respect to anyone who disagrees with you.

What a sad and bitter person you must be.