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Wednesday, April 04, 2007


Guiliani:  Pro-Life People Must Pay for Abortion

This cuts it:

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told CNN Wednesday he supports public funding for some abortions, a position he advocated as mayor and one that will likely put the GOP presidential candidate at odds with social conservatives in his party.

“Ultimately, it’s a constitutional right, and therefore if it’s a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected,” Giuliani said in an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash in Florida’s capital city.

That’s the stupidest statement and the most offensive position possible.

It’s a stupid statement because just because someone may have a right to something doesn’t create an obligation for society to provide it.  We have a right to free speech, but there’s no obligation that society buy me airtime on national television.  I have a right to a gun, but nobody is obligated to purchase one for me.  I really wonder how bright a person is that makes such a statement.

It’s offensive because a large number of people consider abortion to be murder.  Guiliani wants to force those people to pay for an act that they abhor.

I’m pro-life but I’m also pro-federalism.  I’ll allow that the people of New York might disagree with my views on abortion.  I guess I’ll have to live with that.  But I sure don’t want President Guiliani to decide that I should have to pay for abortions in New York.

Is Guiliani ready to pay for my free speech?

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Hey, if people have to pay for things, that means Giuliani is partly on the hook for my next gun when I get my carry permit!  Woo hoo!

Robert Perry on April 4, 2007 at 03:18 pm

Partly?  I’d say all the way.  I suppose it’d make it easier for everyone if you just charged it to his credit card.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 03:29 pm
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Guiliani has always been a better fit for the Libertarian Party than the GOP; HOWEVER, this position would rule that out.  Even for pro-abort Libertarians are not for public funding.

Does he have a deal with Bloomberg’s Unity Party?

FreeRepublicans.com on April 4, 2007 at 03:35 pm

How do we get a new “Constitutional Right” without amending the Constitution?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on April 4, 2007 at 03:36 pm

How do we get a new “Constitutional Right” without amending the Constitution?

I think they “made it up.”


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 03:40 pm

The “right” to an abortion is based on the “right” to privacy, which doesn’t exist.
If you think it does, try invoking it April 17, when the government demands to know what your income was last year.
Good luck.


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Kevin on April 4, 2007 at 03:45 pm

It’s the Supreme Court rewriting the Constitution, without any approval from the voters. It’s govt by small minority=tyranny.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on April 4, 2007 at 03:50 pm

The “right” to an abortion is based on the “right” to privacy, which doesn’t exist.

I think you need those special spectacles that Benjamin Franklin invented in National Treasure to read that part.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 03:57 pm

Toot
What makes you think Fed money would pay for it? NY has enough taxes they can probably foot the bill themselves. Its a state issue and we all have freedom to exit… so if it bugs you maybe you should pack it in.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on April 4, 2007 at 03:58 pm

well he is running for president right?  A national office, right?  And he did say it was a constitutional right?  That’s the US Constitution, right?  Wouldn’t you think that if he thinks the US Constitution said that it was good for the people of New York got it paid for them then that would extend out to the rest of the US.

That wasn’t a very good counterpoint sparkles.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 04:09 pm

Toot
you’re out on a limb and I don’t buy it. while you may not be willfully misconstruing Rudy’s comments, he is never going to suggest that Texas pay for NY’s abortions while making a bid on the GOP candidacy for pres.


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-Francis Bacon

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 4, 2007 at 04:15 pm

he is never going to suggest that Texas pay for NY’s abortions while making a bid on the GOP candidacy for pres.

Of course not, he’ll wait until he’s in office to screw over the people of Texas. 

That’s why we have to be very careful before the election and before the primary.

I’m sure that Rudy’s handlers are appalled that he’d make this statement.  There’s goes months of positioning work.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 04:17 pm

Of course not

Well, if that’s not what he said, maybe I’d be best if you didn’t say that’s what he said. Don’t get me wrong, I hate Guliani - always have. He’s an elitist and his political positions are hard to differentiate from Hillary’s.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on April 4, 2007 at 04:24 pm

Geez sparkie you’re slow.  Are you really claiming that everyone in New York is in favor of paying for abortions?  If not then he’s doing what I said he is.

He just said that was his policy and he’s running for national office.

I don’t want to give him the power to do the same for the rest of the country.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 04:27 pm

Sparkie, I reread my posts and I don’t think I was very clear.

Guiliani said that he thinks it’s a constitutional right and therefore there must be public funding.

I don’t see a person with that view will not impose that on the US as a whole if he has that power.

Now he did say some nonsense about doing it state by state.  But that makes no sense considering it’s a in his opinion a Constitutional issue.

I think that state by state is a red herring suggested by his political handlers.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 04:49 pm
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Sparkie, you’ve got to ditch that avatar.  I was going to post some piece of erudition, but it ended up being about boobs.

jpe on April 4, 2007 at 04:50 pm

Toot.
Carry on. I love it when either of the two shyte parties running this country are in the midst on in-fighting. Personally I think ALL the candidates that have announced so far are all wankers. Looks like another Pres election in which I vote for Harry Browne again.


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-Francis Bacon

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 4, 2007 at 04:53 pm

JPE
That better?


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-Francis Bacon

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 4, 2007 at 04:56 pm

We seem to agree a bit on the current field.  I don’t like any of ‘em either.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 04:56 pm
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Whistler, I have to agree with you. Giuliani is trying desperately to stay centrist and not piss of feminists/pro-abortionists.  It’s one thing to grudgingly leave Roe V Wade well enough alone, it’s another to presume the people must pay for this elective surgery.
Giuliani is not the guy.  However, if he’s the best choice of 2.  I’d hold my nose and vote for him.

mickey on April 4, 2007 at 05:13 pm

Giuliani is not the guy.  However, if he’s the best choice of 2.  I’d hold my nose and vote for him.

That’s why we need better candidates today.


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The Whistler on April 4, 2007 at 05:15 pm

This concept of settled law fascinates me. The Supreme Court in this case established a right to abortion on the unconstitutional grounds of a right to privacy, then because the American people did not Amend the Constitution to deny these people a right to abortion and/or impeach the liberal justices involved, just by virtue of the fact a right to abortion has not been stopped by these methods, it automatically becomes settled case law. So, the Supremes can appeal to International law as have greater standing than our Constitution in this or that matter and unless we amend the constitution and/or impeach these super legislative justices, forevermore international law has power over the United States Constitution and we no longer live under a Constitution at all. Incredible logic!

Last, Rob is absolutely right that there is a big difference between saying you have a right to do something and then forcing the taxpayer to subsidize whatever you require or desire to exercise that right!


In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
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Neiman on April 4, 2007 at 05:16 pm

Whistler, I have to agree with you. Giuliani is trying desperately to stay centrist and not piss of feminists/pro-abortionists. 

It makes him a typical politician.


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