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Sunday, March 16, 2008

Great Britain Officials Would Like To Keep DNA Database Of School-Aged Pre-Criminals

Get ‘em while they’re young.

Primary school children should be eligible for the DNA database if they exhibit behaviour indicating they may become criminals in later life, according to Britain’s most senior police forensics expert.

Gary Pugh, director of forensic sciences at Scotland Yard and the new DNA spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said a debate was needed on how far Britain should go in identifying potential offenders, given that some experts believe it is possible to identify future offending traits in children as young as five.

‘If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large,’ said Pugh. ‘You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won’t. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society.’

So much for “innocent until proven guilty.”

Is this not in keeping with liberal thinking, though?  According to liberalism we are the victims of our circumstances - whether they be something like growing up poor and black or possessing what experts deem as a genetic makeup conducive to criminal behavior - and cannot move past those circumstances without government intervention.  Affirmative action.  Welfare.  Pre-crime departments.

It all fits.  We are not individuals, we are all members of our respective cultural (or genetic!) groups and are to be treated accordingly. 

The collective trumps the individual.

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If you are in favor of giving the right of the government to drug test, why are you opposed to this?

Lestat on March 16, 2008 at 01:29 pm

The difference here is that the drug testing that Rob agreed with was only performed on an individual if they applied for a job.  This is not any different from what a majority of employers already do to keep a safe and productive work environment for its employees.

This story is completely different.  Can the children chose not to be part of the database like the adult can by not applying for the job.  The obvious answer is no.



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dougee on March 16, 2008 at 01:55 pm

Poor communities are a statistically high source of crime. Would the British (or American) liberals support forcing poor people to register in a DNA database?


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Hairy Polemic on March 16, 2008 at 01:58 pm

Hairy, I think we all know the answer to that question!



A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

dougee on March 16, 2008 at 02:12 pm
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If you are in favor of giving the right of the government to drug test, why are you opposed to this?

Because this isn’t optional.  I think the government, both as an employer and as a distributor of our tax dollars in the form of entitlements, should be able to drug test in employment/entitlement situations because those situations are optional.

Certainly the government should be able to screen job applicants to weed out people whose substance abuse problems may impact their job performance.  And if someone applying for welfare because they cannot support themselves and/or their families shouldn’t get money if they have enough money for drugs.

You’re comparing apples to skyscrapers here.

Poor communities are a statistically high source of crime. Would the British (or American) liberals support forcing poor people to register in a DNA database?

You hit the nail on the head.  I have a hard time believing that genetics play a greater role in motivating crime than things like economic situation, parenting, etc.


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