Great Moments In Moral Equivalence

As a teenager reading Orwell for the first time, one of the most disturbing scenes in 1984 was when Winston Smith, finally broken, was able to see that 2+2=5. To think of a free-thinking individual debased to the point of conceding the truth of things that were self-evidently untrue was chilling to me.

The same chill ran down my spine when reading this account of a group of college students unable to see the self-evident evil in that infamous Time magazine cover photo of an Afghani woman who had her nose cut off (and subsequently restored by evil Jew doctors, no less).

Because, you know, it’s wrong to judge other cultures:

“The picture is horrific. Aisha’s beautiful eyes stare hauntingly back at you above the mangled hole that was once her nose. Some of my students could not even raise their eyes to look at it. I could see that many were experiencing deep emotions.

But I was not prepared for their reaction.

I had expected strong aversion; but that’s not what I got. Instead, they became confused. They seemed not to know what to think. They spoke timorously, afraid to make any moral judgment at all. They were unwilling to criticize any situation originating in a different culture.They said, “Well, we might not like it, but maybe over there it’s okay.” One student said, “I don’t feel anything at all; I see lots of this kind of stuff .”

Another said (with no consciousness of self-contradiction), “It’s just wrong to judge other cultures.”

“While we may hope some are capable of bridging the gap between principled morality and this ethically vacuous relativism, it is evident that a good many are not. For them, the overriding message is “never judge, never criticize, never take a position.”

“We’ve reached the limits of multiculturalism when a group of kids can stare a photo of a woman with her nose sliced off and reply blankly at the horror, ‘It’s just wrong to judge other cultures,'” writes Ed Driscoll.

Our nation was founded on self-evidence truths. Indeed, the founding battle cry of our republic begins with that very phrase. “We hold these truths to be self-evident,” etc, etc.

America was founded in an age of enlightenment, with our founders being people dedicated to discerning (not always perfectly, to be sure) certain universal truths. These days the search seems to be for relative truth. It’s not about what is always true, but what is true in the moment.

And from that stems a great deal of evil.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Jimmypop

    “It’s just wrong to judge other cultures.”
    when it comes to what they eat for breakfast or their favorite color, yes. when it comes to torture, no. where are these kids parents?

  • ellinas1

    “Our nation was founded on self-evidence truths.”

    Rob Port  •  December 3, 2011

    That above quote explains the slavery.

    • 2hotel9

      Wow, still defending Muslim terrorists and sh*tting all over America.

      • Neiman

        Ellinas, like his liberal, immoral sisters here at SAB engages in half-truths, having no regard for Truth at all. The truth is, there was at our founding as a nation, “all men are created equal,” an acknowledgement that slavery was wrong, at a time when the world did not condemn it. yet, like most social evils, change is slow, painfully slow,while at the same time led by Christians in Europe and here, there was always a fight against slavery. It took the shedding of blood to rid us of this scourge, but that was long, very long after we officially recognized it as being evil.

        Long before our founding as a nation, in a small area of our new land, some religious extremists, while having the right hearts desire to oppose evil, were led astray into excessive zeal with sad consequences, but very few actual deaths. Even as we were breaking out of the dark ages and away from some terrible religious zeal in Europe, there were notable failures, but they were the exception and not the rule.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Boy, this concept went right over your head didn’t it?

      Suggesting that Americans cannot aspire to certain universal truths because we haven’t always aspired to universal truths, or have been imperfect in doing so in the past, is exactly the sort of moral equivalence that I’m talking about.

      You’re saying that because Americans are imperfect we cannot then have the moral authority to criticize others.

      Utter nonsense.

      • ellinas1

        Boy, what I was trying to convey went right over your head, didn’t it?
        You may criticize whomever you want, and however you want.
        In this appalling case, I join you and others in heaping tons of criticism and scorn on the perpetrator(s).
        Just remember not to glorify our past, for it is blemished.
        Your pontificating, your speaking  and behaving in a pompous or dogmatic manner about our past is what killed the post/article.

  • ellinas1

    “America was founded in an age of enlightenment,..”Rob Port  •  December 3, 2011The above explains the witch trials and hangings of Salem and America in general.

    http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/witchtrial/na.html

    • 2hotel9

      And now posting porn links, too, What a c*nt you continue to be.

    • Hanni

      Thank God for all that democrat organizations that work for women’s rights in countries like Afghanistan.

      • $8194357

        Nice spin Hanni…How could this be spun to promote the illusions? Never allow anything to come between you and your “beloved party.” Nothing will ever be allowed to damge that “false moral highgtound” thought process just like Alinsky and the Communist knew it would..Party above truth or principles…You young folk show your “closed mindedness” every time but of course “in the name” (jnsert cause here)..

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          7point, are you denying reality that there are dozens of women’s rights organizations who work to help women in Afghanistan, most if not all of them Liberal organizations?

          I don’t quite understand how you can be so hypocritical here.

          http://feminist.org/afghan/taliban_women.asp

          • $8194357

            Is it hypocritical of me to tell you the cultural marxist left social justice folks of old took the credit for womens sufferage and abolition away from conservitves? Of course it is. You only know revisionist leftist history don’t you.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Conservatives never owned Women’s Lib.  Are you high?

          • Jamermorrow

            Damn middle eastern terrorists hurting women. We should bomb the entire Middle East into the stone age. Wait, women might die if we do that.

          • 2hotel9

            Keep defending Muslim terrorists, c*nt, it is what you do best.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Exactly, I bet Rob would be outraged if the teacher showed the mutilated bodies of the people we have maimed and killed in the ME with our bombing.  Rob would be screaming about liberal indoctrination.  In this case Rob just accepts what the teacher is doing because he believes it favors his point of view.

          • 2hotel9

            No they don’t, trannitized/game/Dr/bloggerman1000/joesixpack/willhunt/dms/anthill/reverendyo, they are abandoning women in Afghanistan. Just look at any news reports out of Afghanistan. Oh, yea, you refuse to accept reality, choosing instead to spew sh*t and lies. We get it.

          • Troy

            Hey! Love your vocabulary. You really show a sence of common decentcy in your writing.

      • ellinas1

        Yep.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        Judging from this womans mutilated face I’d say these Democrat organizations are about as incompetent in Afghanistan as they are here in the USA. All show and bravado but limited results

        • $8194357

          Here is an article showing the results of Obama backed “pro democracy” movements in the middle east..Funny how the Muslim brotherhoods jihadist organizations step in to “fill the void” after the “voting” is over..

          Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Ideology: “Jihad Is the Way” — Muslim Brotherhood goal: Islamic world domination
          For those of you who may be unfamiliar with the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and around the world, read this. Commit it to memory. You’ll need it. Muslim Brotherhood groups in the US (Hamas-linked CAIR, ISNA, MAS, MSA, etc.) are engaged in a propaganda war, intent on deceiving the American people about the true nature of the Muslim Brotherhood until it’s too late.The Obama administration has already met with the Brotherhood, after announcing plans for direct contacts.Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Ideology  PMW translation of”Jihad Is the Way” by former leader of Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt
          Central messages:1- Muslims are “masters of the world”2- Islamic nation’s “rightful position… the teachers of humanity” 3- “There is no other option but Jihad for Allah4- Fighting Israel is “Jihad against the criminal, thieving gangs of Zion” 5- Has the [Muslim] Brotherhood grown weary of the challenges, thrown down their guns and abandoned Jihad?!! No!” by Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik
          The Muslim Brotherhood took first place in Egypt’s first round of elections last week with 40% of the vote and the Salafist Islamists received 20%. In order to understand the implications, Palestinian Media Watch is redistributing our translation of the book Jihad Is the Way, written by Mustafa Mashhur, who was the official leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt 1996-2002. The book is the fifth volume of his work called The Laws of Da’wa (Islamic missionary activity).

          In the book Jihad Is the Way the fundamental concepts of the Muslim Brotherhood ideology are explained, including, the Muslim Brotherhood’s goal of establishing an Islamic state, world domination under Islam, the public and personal religious duty of military Jihad, and the necessity of timing the ultimate Jihad properly. The book warns Muslims not to rush to Jihad until Jihad is prepared and timed fully for maximum benefit. The current period is seen by the Muslim Brotherhood as one of obligatory preparation for that coming Jihad. Click to view full translation in PDFPMW has selected the following quotes from Jihad is the way to illustrate central ideas of Muslim Brotherhood ideology. PMW’s translation of the book follows below. Muslim Brotherhood goal: Islamic world domination – “…the Islamic Ummah [nation]… can regain its power and be liberated and assume its rightful position which was intended by Allah, as the most exalted nation among men, as the teachers of humanity…”
          – “…know your status, and believe firmly that you are the masters of the world, even if your enemies desire your degradation…”
          – “It should be known that Jihad and preparation towards Jihad are not only for the purpose of fending-off assaults and attacks of Allah’s enemies from Muslims, but are also for the purpose of realizing the great task of establishing an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world…”
          – “…Jihad for Allah is not limited to the specific region of the Islamic countries, since the Muslim homeland is one and is not divided, and the banner of Jihad has already been raised in some of its parts, and it shall continue to be raised, with the help of Allah, until every inch of the land of Islam will be liberated, the State of Islam will be established,…”Means: Jihad – a mandatory religious duty -“Then comes the power of arms and weapons,… and this is the role of Jihad.” – “Jihad is a religious public duty… incumbent upon the Islamic nation, and is a personal duty to fend off the infidels’ attack on the nation

      • Troy

        Hanni, even in our own country, equal rights for women was never ratified into our constitution by the states.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          True, but I never suggested equal rights should be ratified into a constitution.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Care to describe what you mean about that?

    • JayTeaNH

      I wonder if Ellinas is aware that the Salem Witch trials took place about 80 years before the American Revolution…

      Who am I kidding? When was the last time Ellinas was aware of anything?

      J.

      • ellinas1

        Ellinas is very aware of the dates involved.
        Is JayTeaNH aware that at least one last trial took place in 1878?  Daniel Spofford,was tried in Salem MA, and the trial is known as the Ipswich Witchcraft Case.

        • JayTeaNH

          Did Ellinas actually look up the details of the Ipswich case? It was the early days of Christian Science, one early adherent filed the charge against Spofford for “maliciously hypnotizing” her, and the case was tossed out of court. Spofford never actually showed up to court; his attorney filed for a dismissal on the day he was supposed to testify, and the judge dismissed it.

          Weak, weak sauce. Apart from the 1760 case involving Indians in New Mexico, the last case in your link that shows an actual conviction is 1705. And, in case you aren’t aware, that’s about 70 years before the American Revolution.

          J.

          • ellinas1

            Is it your contention,the facts not withstanding, that in the span of two generations America entered what Mr. Port calls the age of enlightenment?

          • JayTeaNH

            No, it is my contention that it is rather silly to blame “America” for sins committed nigh on to a century before it existed as a nation. We were quite happy (well, relatively happy) colonies of England at that time.

            J.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Indeed, and going beyond that, saying Americans can’t aspire to certain universal truths because America as a society has been less than perfect in pursuing those truths in the past is exactly the sort of evil of moral equivalence that we’re talking about.

          • ellinas1

            I never said that you cannot aspire to certain universal truths.
            You may criticize whomever you want, and however you want.
            In this appalling case, I join you and others in heaping tons of criticism and scorn on the perpetrator(s).
            Just remember not to glorify our past, for it is blemished.
            Your pontificating, your speaking  and behaving in a pompous and dogmatic manner about our past is what killed the post/article.

          • Onslaught1066

            “Just remember not to glorify your past, for it is blemished.”

            Say that’s right, you greeks used to punk little boys… like about 5 minutes ago… in your basement.

          • ellinas1

            Walnuts sell for about $2.49 a pound.
            Wing nuts are a dime a dozen

          • Onslaught1066

            In other words, Yes Onslaught, you are correct.

            Thanks, that means a lot, coming from you.

            Say, have I wished you’d DIAF yet this year.

          • ellinas1

            Aww! aren’t you sweet!
            DIAPOS

          • ellinas1

            And don’t you think it is rather silly to condemn a whole nation/religion for the sins of a few idiots?
            I do.

          • Onslaught1066

            Oh, you libturds, you can’t go 2 minutes without lying, can you?

          • ellinas1

            Oh, you cons, you can’t go 1.5 minutes without lying, can you?

          • Onslaught1066

            Error 501 Not Supported

          • ellinas1

            Sure it is supported.

          • ellinas1

            Who is blaming America?
            I was chastising Mr Port.
            In this appalling case, I join you and others in heaping tons of criticism and scorn on the perpetrator(s).
            Just remember not to glorify our past, for it is blemished.
            His pontificating, his speaking  and behaving in a pompous and dogmatic
            manner about our past is what killed the post/article.

          • Onslaught1066

            “Just remember not to glorify your past, for it is blemished.”

            Say that’s right, you greeks used to punk little boys… like about 5 minutes ago… in your basement.

          • ellinas1

            Is this the best you can do?
            Pathetic.

          • Onslaught1066

            I’ve told Boob and I’m telling you, you don’t have to sign your work… we know it’s you.

            Plus you don’t have to get all mad just because History is on my side.

          • ellinas1

            Still mumbling.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

    I asked the question a couple months back,Whatever Happened to Multiculturalism?
    I guess it’s alive and well in Ontario.

    http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2011/09/whatever-happened-to-multiculturalism.html

  • 2hotel9

    Muslims are, this very day, practicing slavery throughout the ME, Africa and Asia, and ec*nt defends it by sh*tting on America. Typical for Democrats, and these brain dead college idiots. Defend terrorists, sh*t on America.

  • Neiman

    1. Where have you been, relative morality and situational ethics is AMERICA, it has been for decades. It is a liberal construct to counter the Christian faith and its core moral values.  It is a liberal, false interpretation of “judge not lest ye be judged.”

    2. Guess what, Port is also a relative moralist, he supports deviant homosexuality as being a choice, no more moral or immoral than any other sexual choice and he condemns Christians that have always taught against that gross sexual immorality and against the sole Author of all moral Truth, being Almighty God.

    3. Our Founding Fathers were very strong moralists and that morality was clearly, absolutely no doubt about it, based on Judeo-Christian morality.

    4. The harm to this young lady, with admittedly beautiful, haunting eyes was grossly immoral NOT because Port says it is or anyone else thinks it is, it is immoral because the Paragon of all morality, Jesus, could never been viewed as approving of such conduct towards another human being.

    • Cherz1967

      What is the difference between homosexuality and deviant homosexuality?

      • Neiman

        None, it is all deviant (to deviate from the natural course) and perverted (to consciously change the natural course of things).

    • Troy

      I always find it interesting how your God that created All Things, hates so many of the things that he actually created. So much for being a perfect God.

      • Neiman

        Things are not always as they seem, if you understood what life was all about, from God’s perspective, it all makes perfect sense. I cannot in such a small space hope to educate you, but God is Love, it is His very Nature and real Love, Divine Love, insists upon sharing; that is, by its nature it demands worthy objects upon which it may lavish its Love and generosity; and thus God created all things that, He might have a people for Himself that would love Him. In order for Him to have a people that loved Him willingly, they must have a freewill, they cannot be created to have to love Him, as that would not be true love. God knew the outcome of it all before He created this world, He had to hate sin, which is rebellion against His Will, because He knew that there was only two choices, those that loved Him would be granted life with Him forever and those that rebelled could not be with Him, because they rejected His Love.

        Sure enough Eve sinned and enticed Adam and thus because that sin nature in them, then, as an act of rebellion, it would be passed on to their children and all flesh that came from them, so the world was condemned. God knew it would happen, He planned on it happening, not caused it, but knowing it was inevitable, He made it part of His plan. So, since all flesh, through Adam and Eve were condemned by sin and He hated that sin, He sent Christ to suffer our penalty for us to answer His Perfect Justice, which punishing was everlasting separation from God (death) and to qualify, Christ had to take on the flesh of a man. Thus through Him, He paid the due penalty for every sin of every human being that had or would ever live and all men/women were then Divinely Pardoned for their sins.

        The problem is, “a pardon is not a pardon,” it has no value, “unless it is accepted.” Most people have not and will not accept that Pardon, thus if they are condemned, they are self condemned as they are all pardoned, but only if they accept that pardon by faith. So, God hates sin in every form because, while He had to allow it so men would have freewill, it separates (death) so many souls from Him forever. So that is why He hates sin, because He loves every human being and He knows sin separates them from His Love. God Loves with a perfect Love and has a great hatred of sin, because it separates souls from Him.

        Billy Graham tells a story of when he was stopped in a small town when he was a young minister, for speeding. Not being a local resident he was taken to the Justice of the Peace, a barber. As he walked into the barber shop the JP was excited, telling him how much he and his wife loved Billy.  Billy could see that the ticket would be torn up. But, the JP then said Billy was guilty, there was no getting around that fact and that he must pay the penalty for that crime, no matter who he was or what good he had done. Just then the JP reached into his own pocket and paid the fine for Billy. The people there hated speeding because it could destroy lives, so they made a law, the law was broken, the penalty had to be paid, there was no way out. But, the penalty was paid by another, just as Jesus stepped forward and paid for those sins that God hated so much, His Perfect Justice could not be frustrated, we sinned, we must die; but, He through His Son died for us, and God was free to Love us, to be reconciled, but “a pardon is not a pardon, unless it is accepted.”

        • Troy

          That was a great serman. So if your God is Love, why has he ordered the killing of so many innocents occording to the bible?

          • Neiman

            He has never ordered the killing of a single innocent human being. It is your ‘feeling” that people are innocent, but there is no one good, no not one, all have sinned and fallen short of the perfect glory of God; and absolute, sinless perfection is the Divine standard. We are all born in sin, with the sin nature of Adam, so not one soul is innocent before God.

            If you are sailing in a race to Hawaii and you get within a hundred yards and sink, you do not win the prize, you failed to get to the end of the race. The only way to earn Heaven is to be perfect, the slightest sin, wherein we are all stained, is to fail – period, end of subject.

            God provided use with a Champion that was/is absolutely Perfect and He died in our place and by faith we can be clothed with His Perfection, it is being born again of His Perfect Spirit. He is innocent for us, but outside of Him, we are guilty and death (everlasting separation fro God) is the penalty.

            So, you do err!

          • Troy

            How is giving the order to kill the first born in every family INCLUDING new born babies considered that of a God of love?  Are you saying that new borns are not innocent simply because they came from parents that sinned?

          • Troy

            How can you buy that crap! Or believe in a God that says that a new born is inherently evil because of Adams sin.

          • Troy

            How about the ones that were born and died before your belief of Jesus comming and dying? Did they just go to hell for their sins? I guess you would just say that it sucks to be them for not having been around long enough for Jesus.
            God must of not loved them enough, eh?
            Why did’t he send Jesus right away after Adam sinned? He must of had to think about it for awhile before he came up with the idea.

          • Neiman

            To your reply below, as the boxes collapse making further replies impossible:

            If you had a fatal illness that was hereditary and you passed it on to your children, grandchildren and on and on, whose fault would that be? Yours perhaps? No matter the fault, the fatal illness remains in your children and will kill each person in their time. Sin is a fatal illness of the soul, hereditary, passed from Adam to every descendent, we are born in sin, a most damning spiritual fault.

            Yet, it need not prove fatal, there is a cure, accept the cure (Jesus) by faith and like the children of Israel covered under the blood upon the lintels and posts of their house, your child will be protected from everlasting death, if you reject His cure, you have killed your own child, by refusing a Divine remedy.

            In Love,God offered every man a way our for himself and his family, you cannot blame Him if your refuse His free gift.

          • Neiman

            Again, I had to reply here because of these lousy collapsing windows, to your comments – “How can you buy that crap! Or believe in a God that says that a new born is inherently evil because of Adams sin.”

            I explained elsewhere, I believe it because I believe in God, that He is trustworthy and I know that I cannot say to the potter, I don’t like the way your made this pot, who am I to say He is wrong.

            Everyone from the womb on are born in sin, but God has offered a sure, eternal cure by His Love, in Christ Jesus. If you refuse that cure and thereby deny it to your child, is it the fault of the one offering the cure free of charge, or yours?

          • Neiman

            Your comments: “ow about the ones that were born and died before your belief of Jesus
            coming and dying? Did they just go to hell for their sins? I guess you
            would just say that it sucks to be them for not having been around long
            enough for Jesus.
            God must of not loved them enough, eh?
            Why
            did’t he send Jesus right away after Adam sinned? He must of had to
            think about it for awhile before he came up with the idea.”

            His plan and timing are perfect, but you cannot accept it because it would require you to submit to God by faith and be born again of His Spirit, and you rebel against Him and His Word.

            Everyone that has died in their sins had a choice, if they sought God with their whole hearts, He revealed Himself to them. But, like today most people did not seek God and His Salvation and they led their children and others into hell with themselves.

            It is not up to me, thank God, to tell God what He should have done, what His timing and methods should be, but if you want the answers, ask God and He will lead you to them and that does not require blind faith, but He will offer you many proofs that your rational mind can appreciate. If you choose to make your own judgments without seeking the counsel of God, expect to fail in your understandings.

          • Troy

            Wrong Answer!! But it’s always the same one that christians like to give when they stop using Logic or Rational thinking.

            “His plan and timing are perfect, but you cannot accept it because it would require you to submit to God by faith and be born again of His Spirit.”

            I have asked some extremely important questions, and yet you have given your self over to Jesus and havent bothered to asked God for the answers to these questions your self?

            ” Everyone that has died in their sins had a choice.”

            New Borns were NOT given a choice! According to you, Thier parents made it for them by thier own choice not to be saved. I guess your God gave man the power to stand in judgement over the salvation over the innocent.

            Shame on you for not using what was given to you, a Brain to Reason with!

            If you want a Real education on Chistianity, watch the beginning of the first movie on http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com. Take notes as you are watching this movie, and then do some of your OWN RESEARCH. The things that you will learn On Your Own will blow your mind.
            Be carefull, no where in this movie does it say that you cannot practice your religion or that you can not have some sort of faith (the belief in something that you cannot explain). But what it is telling you, is that you should Use Your Brain !

            I am not trying to say that you are stupid. I have apreciated our conversation other wise I wouldn’t have spent the time being engaged in it. What I am trying to say is “Don’t be so blind, ASK the Important questions, and make Sure you find the logical answers that you can then pass onto others.  

          • Neiman

            Quite condescending response (your reply below). I have studied the Bible for nearly six decades and have published works on the subject. So, I have far from ignored the facts, like C.S. Lewis and Mortimer Adler, both former atheists and highly respected intellects, for me the evidence, rationally examined was overwhelming in support of the Bible and the Christian faith. You might try “Mere Christianity,” by C.S.Lewis as a staring place.

            As I said, if you have a fatal, hereditary disease, you refuse the cure and pass it on to your children, I would submit that YOU are responsible for their fate not the person offering you a cure. Likewise, knowing you have a fatal spiritual disease (original sin) and that there is a free, sure cure in Christ Jesus and you refuse that cure and pass that original sin on to your children, I would submit it is you and not God that is responsible.

            You want to blame your everlasting fate on God and use every excuse to blame Him for yours and the world’s condition, but you have a free will, I have explained why in some detail, and you have chosen everlasting punishing for yourself and any children you might have and you lack the personal responsibility to assume the blame for your decisions.

          • Demosthenes

            C.S. Lewis was a fiction writer, correct?
            Adler was a teacher and a writer, correct?

            Where do I see any scientific background on these “Great Intellects”?

            I can write stories and speculate all day but it doesn’t make me a “Great Intellect”. I am sure you will agree.

            Their rationals are just as delusional as yours not to mention you have zero empirical data and absolute no data at all if you take your silly story book out of this mix. Which has been written/re-written how many years after said event happened?

            Your rational ends the moment you write down anything as fact from the bible but again, is this all figuratively or literally? I never can quite determine when it’s true or not just implied.

          • Neiman

            I was communicating with Troy, mostly a very civil conversation, while you are a very angry Christ hater and not worth my time.

            I have answers for your every question and clear refutations of your every false statement, but only a fool has said in their heart there is no God and why would I engage in further conversation with a fool?

  • $8194357

    Kind of like that old line “For Hitler, it was ok to do what Hitler did.”
    This is what modern leftist indocrination of Marxist ideolgy andt pshyco babble has given us in modern acadamia. Moral relitivism? or like the Bible says “When good becomes evil and evil good?”
    As Neiman stated above:

    1. Where have you been, relative morality and situational ethics is AMERICA, it has been for decades. It is a liberal construct to counter the Christian faith and its core moral values. It is a liberal, false interpretation of “judge not lest ye be judged.”

    • Demosthenes

      I am fairly sure that American’s who are religious and believe in the Christian God are no more or less American then those who do not believe such things.

      I am also sure that moral and ethics were not derived from the current version of the Bible and especially for the Founding Fathers.

      • $8194357

        And were did you see me questioning or saying they were less American? You suffer that great disease of the left called putting your own leftist spin to someone elses words or ideas… what liberals “read into things” could be put in “volumes”. Ethics and morals are not the same animal. Only Christ’s morality applies to Christians as our works are as dirty rags to His divine Holiness and as Hitler had “ethics” of his own just as the facist liberals have their own.. Citizenship, you brought into the discussion with the “perpetual victomhood” mentality or superority in your own mind that leads you to jump to these types of conclusions that athiests in a conservitives eyes “must be” considered inferior, not me lefty…

  • awfulorv

    Then there’s the morality of being horrified at the suggestion that a sexual deviant, guilty of  savagely raping many young girls , be castrated before he is turned loose on society. That should be a given but, alas, is not.

    • VocalYokel

      Anyone guilty “of savagely raping many” (or even one) “young girls” should be hung and shot full of holes.

  • Thresherman

    “one of the most disturbing scenes in 1984 was when Winston Smith, finally broken, was able to see that 2+2=5. ”

    The challange we have today is convincing liberals, not that 2+2=5, but rather that 2+2=4.

  • Jamermorrow

    In America no violence happens towards women. Any culture that has a case of violence towards women should be bombed. Women or kids that die in the bombing are collateral damage and that is what they get for violence against women. 

    • 2hotel9

      Really? Then why do you leftarded c*nts spend all your time defending men who attack women and children?  Why do you keep defending Muslim terrorists when they rape, sodomize and murder Muslim women and children? Do you get your sexual thrills from looking at pics and video of them doing it? Is that your thing, c*nt?

    • Demosthenes

      Your and idiot and am glad the only thing you can really do is spout crap like this in the comments sections of a blog.

  • Jamermorrow

    Three years ago, I am walking into a bar and their is a big group of people in a circle. Two guys are punching a girl beating the shit out of her. Everybody is just watching. How long this was going on for who knows? This was in the good ole United States. One guy did say he called the police (yay). My muscle head friends and I  rolled the two guys and held them for the police. My point being that even though people knew it was wrong nobody stopped it. Not all Americans are women beaters just like not all Muslims are women beaters. After spending time in the Middle East I can guarantee plenty of ME men would be outraged by what happened to this women. It is not typical of the entire culture just like not every American man is okay with beating up women.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Avoiding responsibility especially at the personal level is what liberals are all about. Just look at our absentee POTUS and his style of leadership ( or lack of to be more exact). For them it’s all about not taking an independent stand. It’s all about the collective mindset, like ants or lemming.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BOSSOM3GWZFBSXKISN2OLTBT6A Matthew

    The first question is an easy question.  It is wrong to cut a little girls nose off or anybody;s nose off as a punishment.

    The second question is much more difficult.  What do we as Americans do about it?  I think this is the real question these college students are struggling with.  They think if we call this wrong than it demands some action from us and they are not sure what it is. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BOSSOM3GWZFBSXKISN2OLTBT6A Matthew

    BTW, this is Vlad.  The system would no longer let me post as a guest so I had to use my yahoo account.

    I think the name of the site needs to be changed. 

    Say Anything, as long as you register who you are.

    • Camsaure

      What are you afraid of? If you believe in it use your name.  If it is what you believe, you should be able to state it. That is in a free country, not a so called PC country. You guys don’t have a clue what free really is, do you? Careful what you wish for. It may not be as utopian as you wish for or think may be possible.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Or it could be that you just don’t know how to work the system.  Nothing has changed, and it’s working fine for other people.

  • wj

    At the risk of sounding like Neiman, I have to wonder how Rob cannot see the obvious link between atheism and the “moral equivalence” he decries.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      The problem isn’t with me, but rather with your definition of atheism.  You seem to think that being an atheist means the same thing as having more morals.

      Which is about the same as saying that just because someone is Christian that they do have morals.

    • Demosthenes

      I wonder if wj has an ounce of brain matter inside his head.

      Oh wait, your being serious. You want to play the pointing game with being Christian and having morals? And with Atheists?

      Why not pick a equivalent opponent at least you might have chance not to mention just because someone claims or is titled by a belief does not negate the fact that such an immoral person can be an asshat without or with their beliefs.

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