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Monday, July 30, 2007

Grand Forks Taxpayers Expected to Fork More Money Over

For the County Government’s mistakes:

The Grand Forks County Commission approved a plan Tuesday that would impose a levy of as much as 10 mills to pay the debt service on the new jail building.

The plan, presented by the commission’s bonding counsel, is the latest move required because of mistakes made a year ago in budgeting for the new jail, which is nearly full of inmates.

Gary Malm, commission chairman, emphasized that the five-member board hasn’t decided yet to levy that much but only to accept a plan that would allow such a levy. Not until all the budgets for the 2008 fiscal year are in and analyzed will the commission know how much it will need to pay down on the $1.3 million in debt service on the new $16 million jail building, Malm said.

A mill levied across the county this year raised $161,000, so 10 mills would raise $1.6 million, according to figures provided by Debbie Nelson, county auditor.

There are so many things going on here that it’s hard to keep them straight.

First of all the County Commission deserves much of the blame for this fiasco.  They didn’t ask the voters for their permission and they really weren’t interested in listening to any concerns.  In fact a news story I read/heard said they didn’t have to go to the public because this would be a profitable venture for the county.  In hindsight wouldn’t it have been best to listen and respond to the public concerns about how this fancy jail is going to make money?

I find it odd that they are picking this time to talk about raising taxes.  Earlier in the month the County had a vote for the taxpayers approve raising taxes to fund a new 911 center.  You don’t suppose that they held up news of this potential tax increase until after that vote.  (Fortunately the vote went down, for now.) I find that pretty insulting that they hold off on the bad news until after their special election that no one knew about and no one knew about where to vote.

I don’t know if there are any specific members of the County Commission are to blame.  Of course it’s hard to know since they act in virtual secrecy.  All in all I think it’s time for a whole new slate.

The obvious question is where should the money come from to pay for the County Commissions mistake?  In the last five years our property taxes that have gone to the county have increased probably 25-30%.  The people didn’t get any more services.  I propose that the NEW County Commission find new spending to cut and pay for it out of current revenue.  I think the county bureaucracy needs to know that they have to spend our money a whole lot more carefully.

Comments

so what exactly is a “mill,” in this context?  i don’t think i’ve ever seen the word used in that way before.


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Daniel on July 31, 2007 at 07:04 am

A mill is a tenth of one cent, a thousandth of a dollar.  Like a millimeter is a thousandth of a meter, and a mile(mille) is a thousand military steps.


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robert108 on July 31, 2007 at 07:15 am
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so what exactly is a “mill,” in this context?  i don’t think i’ve ever seen the word used in that way before.

Say for example you own a residential structure on a residential lot worth $100,000.  1 mill would equate to $4.50 in taxes per year.  If you had a commercial structure valued at the same $100,000 the mill would be worth $5 even.

It is my job to know this.

k_lunch on July 31, 2007 at 08:08 am

From Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: 3mill
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin mille thousand
: a money of account equal to 1/10 cent


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robert108 on July 31, 2007 at 01:23 pm
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Yes, Robert108, however since this levy in this context is to be applied in Grand Forks County, you must follow the North Dakota guidelines.  That is your True & Full Value X .5 = Assessed Value.  Assessed Value X .09 = Residential Taxable Value.  Assessed Value X .10 = Commercial/Ag Taxable Value.

Now that you’ve taken the value of the parcel to it’s respective Taxable Value, you take THAT number times your mill/1000.  I’m pretty sure that since the Merriam-Webster definition just gives a breakdown of the Latin root, it doesn’t explain anything to anyone.

k_lunch on July 31, 2007 at 01:43 pm

k: You have described a method of arriving at appraised value; the definition of a mill is one-tenth of a cent, like the dictionary said.


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robert108 on July 31, 2007 at 01:49 pm
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robert108, I was responding to the person who asked:

so what exactly is a “mill,” in this context?

1/10 of a cent is a mill in ANY context.  To go into a specific context, such as was asked, requires more information.  A mill as applies to Grand Forks county was as I defined.  I also feel it is part of my civic duty to define to taxpayers where the amount on their tax bills comes from.  When people see $1.6 million needs to be raised, they freak out on their sweet, adorable county employees.  This would not be a necessary occurance if they were properly educated.  Therefor if your house has a True & Full value of $100,000 you can expect a 10 mill increase to cost you $45.  That is a mill in this context.

k_lunch on July 31, 2007 at 01:57 pm
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k: You have described a method of arriving at appraised value; the definition of a mill is one-tenth of a cent, like the dictionary said.

Actually, I gave the definition of how to arrive at a taxable value, which is different than an appraised value.  In fact, an appraised value has nothing to do with mills whatsoever as it is normally arrived at by a fee appraiser for purposes of finance or insurance.

That aside, I described the taxable value, which is the only number upon which the mill is actually applied, thus an important part of the definition of the mill.

k_lunch on July 31, 2007 at 02:06 pm

I described the taxable value…

True, but still not the definition of a mill, which is one-tenth of a cent.


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robert108 on July 31, 2007 at 02:30 pm
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so what exactly is a “mill,” in this context?  i don’t think i’ve ever seen the word used in that way before.

Clearly “i don’t think i’ve ever seen the word used in that way before” implies that the person is familiar with the word.  That’s why they asked “so what exactly is a “mill,” in this context?”

Do you understand yet?

k_lunch on July 31, 2007 at 02:39 pm

1/10 of a cent is a mill in ANY context.

k_lunch on July 31, 2007 at 02:57 pm

Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

Doesn’t “ANY” context mean this context, as well?  I know you want to show off here, but the definition of a mill is one-tenth of a cent, no matter what the context might be.  Seems simple enough for a reasonable person to understand.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on July 31, 2007 at 05:25 pm

k-lunch: that was definitely some interesting information, but it was also overkill… i was just looking for r108’s answer.  the only “mills” i was familiar with beforehand were, say, windmills or watermills.  i had never seen that word used as a fiscal/economic term before.  although since he pulled at least part of that out of a dictionary, it means that i could have too, had i thought of it.  i thought maybe it was just some strange north dakotan term.


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Daniel on July 31, 2007 at 05:50 pm
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