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Monday, December 03, 2007

Governor Hoeven: It’s Too Early To Talk About Tax Relief

That’s usually the excuse we hear from politicians who don’t want to talk about a particular subject at all.  I have a feeling this news release was prompted by my post the other day where I contacted Hoeven’s campaign and asked them about the Governor’s stance on the tax cut initiated measure.

BISMARCK, ND (2007-12-03) Governor John Hoeven (R-ND) says he has plans in the works to continue to provide tax relief.

Hoeven says it will be based on how well North Dakota’s economy does over the next 19 months.

The group “Americans for Prosperity is collecting signatures on an initiated measure to cut personal income tax in half—and reduce corporate income taxes by 25 percent. The leader—Duane Sand—says the state could have a billion dollars in surplus by 2009. But Hoeven says it’s too early to make that kind of prediction.

“We’re four months into this biennium,”’ said Hoeven. “I’d encourage a little thoughtfulness in terms of how we approach this, and recognize that we need to continue to grow, and build the revenue. We will make good decisions about tax relief, funding our priorities and making sure there’s money in the bank for the future. That’s what we’ll do.”

With the state having spent its entire budget surplus last year, increasing government spending some 24%, and with the state set again to have a budget surplus in the hundreds of millions (if not billions) one wonders why the government feels we need to continue to “build the revenue.”

The state has enough revenue.  When will the taxpayers get a break?

What’s more, saying that we can’t talk about tax cuts now because we’re only a few months into the biennium is a little bogus given that AFP’s effort is an initiated measure.  In order to get the measure on the ballot we (full disclosure: I’m on the measure’s sponsoring committee) have to be collecting signatures now.  That’s just the way it works.

And I’d note that if Hoeven, or even a significant number of his Republican colleagues in the legislature, were at all credible on the tax issue this initiated measure wouldn’t need to happen.  We’d have gotten significant tax relief in the last legislative session.  As it stands now, when the Governor promises tax relief, why should anyone believe him?

Thoughts by the Whistler

If Governor Hoeven were worried about having ‘money in the bank’ then why is he taking money out of the Permanent Oil Tax Trust Fund. 

The Governor’s rhetoric does not match his actions.  He’s a spender through and through.

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He’s pandering to the out-of-state labor union bosses and their lazy, greedy members again. The taxpayers be damned!

Kevin on December 3, 2007 at 09:36 am
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Kevin,

Your message is so consistent, wanna run for governor?

FreeRepublicans.com on December 3, 2007 at 10:23 am

No, thanks; I value my anonymity.

Kevin on December 3, 2007 at 10:35 am
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We are 4 months into a 24 month biennium.  I think that it is reasonable to wait a little while before coming forward with a major tax relief measure.  Don’t you think it would be smart to see if the revenues continue to grow at the current level?

And to say that the Governor isn’t credible an tax relief is ridiculous.  He accomplished more tax relief than any governor in the history of the state has.

I know that you don’t like the property tax cuts, but I pay five time in property taxes what I do in state income taxes.  I certainly worry a lot more about my property taxes than anything else.

Duane on December 3, 2007 at 12:32 pm

And to say that the Governor isn’t credible an tax relief is ridiculous.  He accomplished more tax relief than any governor in the history of the state has.

Really? Then why I am I paying 42% of what I pay in federal income taxes to the state in income taxes.
If I still had kids under 17, I would be paying almost 90% more!
This all happen because of Hoeven’s slight-of-hand income tax decoupling scheme which he now won’t take responsibility for.

Kevin on December 3, 2007 at 01:31 pm

He accomplished more tax relief than any governor in the history of the state has.

That’s because up until recent history we were a low tax state.  Now we’re a big spending (but low services somehow) state.

The only meaniful tax relief we’ve ever had was the tax referrals in the late 80’s or early 90’s.

So you don’t get any credit for that one Duane.

Besides the whole point of the Hoeven scheme was to allow the locals to spend more.  Somehow I don’t think I’m benefiting from that.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on December 3, 2007 at 01:53 pm
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I’d be hesitant to introduce a tax relief plan now too. A lot can happen between now and the next session, including drought, oil bust, natural disasters or whatever else might affect the economy. Or, maybe our economy will continue to grow more, in which case, there would be possibilities of a better plan that gives back more money than what we could plan for now. Why is it so bad to wait and see what the future has in store for us? Introducing a plan now isn’t going to get it here any faster is it?

Brenda on December 4, 2007 at 09:26 am
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A lot can happen between now and the next session, including drought, oil bust, natural disasters or whatever else might affect the economy.

Which is why we have the “rain day” fund, isn’t it?  what good is keeping hundreds of millions of dollars in there if it isn’t going to act as a safeguard to that sort of thing?

And what of the billions sealed away in the state’s other special funds?

Even if a disaster happens, our state has more money than it needs to operate.  These implications to the contrary are just scare tactics.


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Rob on December 4, 2007 at 09:48 am

What about my personal “rainy day fund?” It’s hard to fund with so much going into the greedy pockets of state bureaucrats and their lazy cronies!

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It’s pretty frustrating that the only suggestion people opposed to cutting taxes can come up for in response to a downturn in tax revenues is...raising taxes again.

As though there were absolutely no wasteful spending in the entire state budget that could be cut back.


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Rob on December 4, 2007 at 10:15 am

A lot can happen between now and the next session, including drought, oil bust,

So it must make you really mad that governor Hoeven’s been raiding the Permanent Oil Tax Trust Fund?

And why is it that it’s safe to spend another $450 million dollars but not safe to give meaniful tax relief to the taxpayers?  Is it that government employees are more special than regular folks?

By the way Brenda is there a reason why you and Duane are posting from the same IP?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on December 4, 2007 at 10:26 am
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The only reason why the IP thing matters is because we have problems with sock puppets around here at times.  People who change their commenting name to make it appear as though there are more people here parroting their thoughts than there really are.

If you guys live together or work together it’s no big deal.


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Rob on December 4, 2007 at 10:33 am

Right two different people is good.  One different people is bad.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on December 4, 2007 at 10:57 am

Or, maybe our economy will continue to grow more…

That’s the secret to the govt getting more money from us: pursue policies that don’t obstruct economic growth.  Everybody wins.


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robert108 on December 4, 2007 at 11:13 am

One thing, a growing economy does not require the government to spend more money.  (Certainly they’ll resist spending less if the economy contracts.)

Government needs to do the essentials right and stay out of everything else.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on December 4, 2007 at 11:15 am

"One different people is bad.” That is the line of the day.LOL


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2Hotel9 on December 4, 2007 at 11:33 am
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One thing that would really help North Dakota’s economy keep growing is some tax relief.


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