Government Pay and Benefits Advantage Over Private Workers Widens

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Something you expect to hear from National Review, not USA Today.

The pay gap between government workers and lower-compensated private employees is growing as public employees enjoy sizable benefit growth even in a distressed economy, federal figures show.
Public employees earned benefits worth an average of $13.38 an hour in December 2008, the latest available data, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) says. Private-sector workers got $7.98 an hour.
Overall, total compensation for state and local workers was $39.25 an hour — $11.90 more than in private business. In 2007, the gap in wages and benefits was $11.31.
The gap has been expanding because of the increasing value of public employee benefits. Last year, government benefits rose three times more than those in the private sector: up 69 cents an hour for civil servants, 23 cents for private workers.

What really gets me is that the private sector is so much more productive than the public sector. Not only do government workers do less than their private counterparts they often what they are doing is ineffectual or counterproductive.
This is for state and local employees. Federal employees are as much if not more overpaid.
The politicians have figured out that the slackers on the government payroll and the government dole are reliable voters for politicians that vote to waste more of our money.

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  • http://Array Uncle Joe

    The Soviet Union spent so many years fighting the wasteful United States that they had no chance to prosper. The radical nations of capitalism and greed worked tirelessly day and night in fear of the communist revolt. Fear that others might one day be equal to them ruining their egotist views of humanity. Your righty deception using pictures of the dead men and women who fought for egalitarian Utopia is foolish. You will be smacked with the truth repeatedly. The need to feed the greed of capitalism has resulted in many more deaths then any communist revolt.

    So just where are your statistics to back up the argument that “The need to feed the greed of capitalism has resulted in many more deaths then any communist revolt.”? Chairman Mao alone killed at least 70 million of his own people. Incidentally, those skulls belong to those executed in the communist hellhole that Pol Pot made of Cambodia. And if the Soviet Union was so superior, why did its economic system fail in the Cold War while the one of the United States did not? And you still haven’t answered my questions about which side built the Berlin Wall to keep people from escaping to the West. And why aren’t masses emigrating to North Korea, instead of trying to flee it?

    Incidentally, this is a satellite photo of the two Koreas at night. The shiny spots are massive concentrations of light from cities.

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    And if you love communism so much, why aren’t you living in Cuba or North Korea?

  • 2Hotel9

    res, you got caught spewing more lies, then you spin&twirl;, as usual.

  • Tober801

    Tober: Thanks for the 1820s Marxism, but it’s been thoroughly disproven by the slaughter of over 100 million in the 20th Century alone. Good luck with your worthless bullshit. I prefer my freedom and free people making free choices to your murderous totalitarianism.

    As long as those values match your own you closet totalitarian. You advocate freedom but then hand your life over for serfdom to you capitalist lords and leaders. A handful of men with all the wealth in their hands making the decisions on who gets to eat today and who gets paid tomorrow who works when what and where all the while screaming against the workers ability to unionize and fight for fair wages. You advocate freedom as long as it isn’t freedom to smoke or drink or act as you wish because that would interfere with your views.
    You fail to remember the banana republics set up so your capitalist ways could be fueled and your mouths could be given the fruity delicious flavors. Your greedy theory of capitalism has been disproven by depression after depression

    When you wingnuts babble falsities I will smack you with the truth.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Whistler I am not real comfortable with that statement because you pigeon holed every government workers and some government jobs are necessary, ICE, Border Patrol, Customs, Secret Service, FBI, the US Military etc.

    I definitely agree those are necessary functions.

    On the other hand due to bureaucratic rules and the like I think those agencies (even the military) are far less efficient than they could be. That is not meant as a slam to the average Joe there who’s doing the job they gave him.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    And remind me how parasites who take large amounts of my money from me and then give a tiny piece of it back years later help my society run smoothly again please.

    Another selfish stem whose parents and grandparents benefited greatly from SS and Medicare bitching about being part of a society.

    Why do you people find it so objectionable to pay to live in a civilized society? Do you ever stop bitching about paying your bills?

    PS. Religion has killed countless more people that communism despite the claims of 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 killed by communists that you people are always fabricating. Capitalists killed their share too.

  • Tober801

    Robert108 your righty deception is filled with lies and ignorance. The rich elite simply use you as a puppet to voice their fear of the proletariat. The rich CEO’s and greedy business men are the true parasites stopping the people from reaching the egalitarian utopia they envision simply to satiate their capitalist love of the dollar.

  • Uncle Joe

    Just what we need, higher salaries for useless, parasitic bureaucrats during an economic crisis. What good do they do for we the people again?

  • robert108

    It’s time for the achievers to stop paying the bills for greedy govt and its parasites.

  • robert108

    They keep your society operating smoothly so you don’t bitch and whine.

    You have it backwards, dumb little dinostem; the achievers fund the society that pay the govt parasites.

    Tober: Thanks for the 1820s Marxism, but it’s been thoroughly disproven by the slaughter of over 100 million in the 20th Century alone. Good luck with your worthless bullshit. I prefer my freedom and free people making free choices to your murderous totalitarianism.

  • Rezistik

    “Tober801″ = Rezistik?

    Looks to be that way…

    Don’t think so. Rez is somewhat rational. This tober is a loon.

    Check my IP likwid?

    Was me. Not my actual thoughts. Parody of a person exactly the opposite of R108. Half the time I honestly can’t tell if R108 is a parody of a conservative or the real deal and I decided to spoof him as a late April fools joke. Would have kept it going longer if likwid wouldn’t have figured it out.

    As far as this thread and post goes.

    The discrepancy might be do to general sampling errors, my guess is the public employment rate is very small in comparison to the private rate. If there are less public jobs then these jobs might receive higher on average pay, especially since many jobs involve having college degrees etc. While the private sector involves low pay service jobs such as working at McDonald’s and therefore the statistics are kind of meaningless. I don’t have any facts to back it up(and if you have some please show them) but my guess is McDonald’s has more employees working directly and indirectly for them then all of the federal government. All for lower wages.

  • jimmypop

    The Soviet Union spent so many years fighting the wasteful United States that they had no chance to prosper. The radical nations of capitalism and greed worked tirelessly day and night in fear of the communist revolt. Fear that others might one day be equal to them ruining their egotist views of humanity. Your righty deception using pictures of the dead men and women who fought for egalitarian Utopia is foolish. You will be smacked with the truth repeatedly. The need to feed the greed of capitalism has resulted in many more deaths then any communist revolt.

    the only one in the USSR that feared revolt was the dooood that killed 20M plus of his own people to keep the failed political system going.

    as for this evil ‘greed’…. i think its time to post phil donahues interview again…..

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    “Tober801″ = Rezistik?

    Looks to be that way…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    What really gets me is that the private sector is so much more productive than the public sector.

    Unsupported assertion. Totally unfounded. And, not true.

    Instead of questioning why so many in the private sector are getting screwed, the Whistler-stem wants to see everyone getting screwed. Pathetic but indicative of the type of people cons are. Bitter, resentful, destructive.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    What really gets me is that the private sector is so much more productive than the public sector. Not only do government workers do less than their private counterparts they often what they are doing is ineffectual or counterproductive.

    Whistler I am not real comfortable with that statement because you pigeon holed every government workers and some government jobs are necessary, ICE, Border Patrol, Customs, Secret Service, FBI, the US Military etc.

  • sayanything-5371

    Holy shit. You are moonbat crazy.

    When the worker rises they will all get theirs! The Clintons are closet capitalists using their failed Keynesian philosophies to destroy the worth of the proletariat. When their millions are worth nothing in the Utopian world of the proletariat they will see their lives of cheating and lying have failed them. Yet the workers and their children will rejoice at the world that allows them such joy. All will have fruity delicious bananas!

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    On the other hand due to bureaucratic rules and the like I think those agencies (even the military) are far less efficient than they could be. That is not meant as a slam to the average Joe there who’s doing the job they gave him

    It is because of employee Unions and cronieism.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Why do so many of the building directories in government buildings have so many people with the same last name?

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Why do they still feel the need for labor goonions?

  • Tober801

    Funny how Kool-Ade drinkers like Toober don’t mind how Democrat elites like Daschle, Raines, The Clinton’s, Terry McAuliffe, Soros, Gorelik…..make millions and millions from their political influence.

    But if a businessman earns money through honest effort then they are the enemy.

    When the worker rises they will all get theirs! The Clintons are closet capitalists using their failed Keynesian philosophies to destroy the worth of the proletariat. When their millions are worth nothing in the Utopian world of the proletariat they will see their lives of cheating and lying have failed them. Yet the workers and their children will rejoice at the world that allows them such joy. All will have fruity delicious bananas!

  • Uncle Joe

    They keep your society operating smoothly so you don’t bitch and whine.

    And remind me how parasites who take large amounts of my money from me and then give a tiny piece of it back years later help my society run smoothly again please.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Funny how Kool-Ade drinkers like Toober don’t mind how Democrat elites like Daschle, Raines, The Clinton’s, Terry McAuliffe, Soros, Gorelik…..make millions and millions from their political influence.

    But if a businessman earns money through honest effort then they are the enemy.

  • Tober801

    Wow, that coincidentally sounds exactly like what happens under communism. But if you don’t like it, by all means go and live in North Korea or Cuba. I assure you, you won’t be missed.

    Now then, remind me which side in the Cold War built the Berlin Wall to keep citizens from escaping to the other side? Which side featured such wonderful things as gulags and the KGB? Which side purged some 100 million+ “enemies of the people”? Which Korea do people desperately try to flee from? Which system in the Cold War collapsed completely due to economic failure? And which side featured lovely displays like this:

    The Soviet Union spent so many years fighting the wasteful United States that they had no chance to prosper. The radical nations of capitalism and greed worked tirelessly day and night in fear of the communist revolt. Fear that others might one day be equal to them ruining their egotist views of humanity. Your righty deception using pictures of the dead men and women who fought for egalitarian Utopia is foolish. You will be smacked with the truth repeatedly. The need to feed the greed of capitalism has resulted in many more deaths then any communist revolt.

  • sayanything-5371

    “Tober801″ = Rezistik?

    Don’t think so. Rez is somewhat rational. This tober is a loon.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    What good do they do for we the people again?

    They keep your society operating smoothly so you don’t bitch and whine.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Do you ever stop bitching about paying your bills?

    Actually we’re in favor of us paying our own bills. We just want freeloaders like you to pay your own bills as well.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Dino2 projects, Instead of questioning why so many in the private sector are getting screwed, the Whistler-stem wants to see everyone getting screwed. Pathetic but indicative of the type of people cons are. Bitter, resentful, destructive.

    Nothing but projection from the guy who hates America:

    No, seriously, I HATE this country and think it should disappear. No more united states. It’s the cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s like a cancer.

    Just split it up and let it lose its power. Done. Finished.

    DINO on January 13, 2009

    Another selfish stem whose parents and grandparents benefited greatly from SS and Medicare bitching about being part of a society.

    As if people had a choice. Your kind took away freedom of choice. As if getting back much less than the private sector would have delivered can be considered “benefited”.

    …despite the claims of 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 killed by communists that you people are always fabricating.

    More projection as that is your lie.

    Tober801 – The rich elite simply use you as a puppet to voice their fear of the proletariat. The rich CEO’s and greedy business men are the true parasites stopping the people from reaching the egalitarian utopia they envision simply to satiate their capitalist love of the dollar.

    That’s gobbledygook. It means nothing.

    Capitalism is nothing more than economic freedom. It is true egalitarianism.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    “Tober801″ = Rezistik?

    = Idiot.

  • http://wizbangblog.com/ Jay Tea

    Relax, goon, most of those you cite are exempt — whistler clearly stated that it’s places where government workers have a private-sector equivalent. Those don’t have those.

    On the other hand, look at a few examples where there is a direct comparison available — VA hospitals, airport security, the post office vs. FedEx, etc. Whistler’s point is quite valid.

    J.

  • Uncle Joe

    As long as those values match your own you closet totalitarian. You advocate freedom but then hand your life over for serfdom to you capitalist lords and leaders. A handful of men with all the wealth in their hands making the decisions on who gets to eat today and who gets paid tomorrow who works when what and where all the while screaming against the workers ability to unionize and fight for fair wages. You advocate freedom as long as it isn’t freedom to smoke or drink or act as you wish because that would interfere with your views.
    You fail to remember the banana republics set up so your capitalist ways could be fueled and your mouths could be given the fruity delicious flavors. Your greedy theory of capitalism has been disproven by depression after depression

    When you wingnuts babble falsities I will smack you with the truth.

    Wow, that coincidentally sounds exactly like what happens under communism. But if you don’t like it, by all means go and live in North Korea or Cuba. I assure you, you won’t be missed.

    Now then, remind me which side in the Cold War built the Berlin Wall to keep citizens from escaping to the other side? Which side featured such wonderful things as gulags and the KGB? Which side purged some 100 million+ “enemies of the people”? Which Korea do people desperately try to flee from? Which system in the Cold War collapsed completely due to economic failure? And which side featured lovely displays like this:

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  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Expect the libtards to say this shows we aren’t tough enough on the private sector to demand higher wages and benefits when even a six year old knows that the private sector which actually produces things and contributes to society is the one footing the bill for the government sector, hence if we got rid of the government sector, the private sector would actually have more money to give employees.

    They’ll go on about executives but the fact is that add up all pay over 75K and divide it evenly and you get squat per hour added to everyone else’s pay, and you eliminate any ambition to lead and spearhead the company’s success.

    On the other hand, we spend on welfare every single year enough to give ever man, woman, infant, etc. who qualifies for welfare regardless of whether they currently collect, $20K+/yr. each. Since we know that a mother with two kids doesn’t collect a total of anything anywhere near half $60K, one should wonder where the rest of that money goes.

    It goes to the real welfare program shitting up this nation: government jobs. More than half of the money goes to functionaries, supervisors, administrators, etc. instead of staying in the private sector where it could have been used to give good paying jobs to those who instead are on welfare. Like I said, it’s like fixing a six inch pipe in your bathroom by adding twenty miles of pipe and hose through your house and what comes out the other end is less than half the flow that went in.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    What really gets me is that the private sector is so much more productive than the public sector.

    Dino:

    Unsupported assertion. Totally unfounded. And, not true.

    Really? When was the last time the public sector made one of those condoms you wrap on your shriveled insignificant excuse for manhood? When was the last time the public sector made one of your favorite buttplugs? Name one government agency that produces anything you use in your everyday life.

    Your pants around your ankles or the stained four day underwear in them? The six day old socks on your stinking feet? The moth eaten threadbare loafers over them? The linoleum of your government project housing? The mouthwash you use to cover the smell of semen on your breath or the adult diapers to back-up your overused hind end?

    Not a single thing in your life every day is produced by the government. Not one. The government doesn’t make the food you buy with foodstamps, the cement in the concrete of the cracked sidewalks near your dumpy little enclave, not the buses you ride around town because you can’t hold a job and pay for a car. Not the pavement under the buses’ wheels, not a thing.

    You’re disproved before you even open your mouth and you crow like you’re winning great arguments of philosophy with giants of academe. You are truly deranged.

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