Government Health Care Means The Government Putting A Price Tag On What Your Life Is Worth

Don’t believe it? They’re already doing it in Great Britain, where they use metric called QALY (quality-adjusted life year) to determine whether or not a particular treatment is used to extend a patient’s life. Meaning that in Britain’s health care system, the government is literally involved with calculating how much your life is worth.

The Brits have had to constantly grapple with this distaste. On several occasions, the institute has had to reverse, modify or reconsider rejections under political or professional pressure. Last year it convened a citizens’ council to ponder rules for relaxing its 30,000-pound standard — with a majority of the council favoring loosening the rules when the treatment is “lifesaving,” the patients are children, the illness is severe or rare, or no alternative therapies exist.
Another issue is the lack of any empirical basis for the 30,000-pound standard. No one seems to know how it was determined. That’s important, because U.S. health economists tend to use a similar $50,000 cut-off for cost-effectiveness.
Why $50,000? Scott Grosse, a health economist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, speculated in a 2008 study that it might be based on the “convenience of a round number” rather than on “theoretical or empirical justification,” which he says doesn’t exist.

I’ll grant that America’s way of doing health care – which allows you to get all the treatment you can afford to pay for – isn’t perfect. But at least its better than the determination for how much health care you’re worth being taken completely out of your hands and instead decided by government bureaucrats who, frankly, probably have more incentive to meet their bottom line than to keep you alive.

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  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    As if people have a choice now. What an idiot that woman is.

    I have no insurance now. But if I need medical care, no one denies me. I just have to pay something upfront. And if the costs are too much, I can make payments, like when I get my car fixed.

    The difference between having insurance…and having care is a massive one.

  • conundrum

    The insurance company and the gov’t both limit the care you get. The only ones that will get everything they want will pay for all procedures for themselves. It boils down which one will have the least costly bureaucracy. I wouldn’t put my money on the gov’t.
    Your insurance company nor the gov’t will let you have the new experimental drug/procedure which has already been used in Europe. Those with the bucks go ahead and fly over. The biggest argument I see here is the conservatives not wanting to pay for anyones health and the liberals saying everyone deserves basic health care.
    No matter what some of your tax dollars will go to health care of those not able to afford health insurance because of age, handicap, the physically and mentally challenged.
    Your health insurance will also go up to cover the costs the hospitals incur from treating those that can’t pay. You are living a dream if you don’t believe that.
    Those that can afford it will always get better health care. The general public will not be able to afford the best. Deal with it.

  • robert108

    I’ll say one can similarly opt out of the government run health care, by not seeking health care at all.

    You lie again! The govt steals our money to pay for their totalitarian schemes, so you can’t “opt out”. You pay for it, whether you use it or not, unlike private insurance. It’s simple logic, but way over your head, LGF.
    Leave me out of your sick homo fantasies, please!

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    and if you get really sick or hurt, the state will wind up paying for your care, so you’re already using gov’t as your insurer of last resort.
    There’s bankruptcy and there’s India

    No. If I get sick or hurt I will pay for myself. Like everyone else with a modicum of self responsibility. I am no one’s responsibility but my own.

  • Eneils Bailey

    Yeah, there will be plenty of cost and availability of services problems with this new Socialized Medicine.
    I think we should run some bureaucrats through the system before we crank this up for the average citizen.
    How about we start with Hillary Clinton, heard she bummed up a front paw and Sonia Sotomeyer, she cracked up a hind leg. They were injured while they were out chasing cars on Pennsylvania Avenue.

  • ellinas

    WOOF! Some idiot says you are lying on this issue, because, he says, nobody is forced to buy private insurance.
    As if people have a choice now. What an idiot that woman is.

    I’ll say one can similarly opt out of the government run health care, by not seeking health care at all. A person can just sit in their home and die of their illness, if it is a serious illness.

  • robert108

    As Mark Steyn pointed out on the radio this morning, when govt runs healthcare, the only place they can “cut costs” is on services to patients. In a govt system, all costs but those of patient services are regulated by law, and can’t be reduced without legislation, whereas they can just extend waiting times or prohibit certain drugs or reduce treatments to certain groups of people by bureaucratic fiat.
    When we lose all semblance of a free market in healthcare, we all lose.

  • djer

    Insurance companies are already doing this, that’s why they have actuaries on the payroll.

    Insurance companies decide what procedures we can get and how we get them. They decide whether they will cover us if we get sick. They deny treatment or coverage and make people wait for decision on whether they can get a prescribed treatment. They do everything you don’t want the government doing yet you don’t cry about what the insurance companies do to limit the ability of the insured to get covered.

    A public option is badly needed.

  • Socks

    It is amazing how many people would be willing to put their lives in the hands of the government, especially considering how the government manages to screw up most of the stuff they try to do.

  • conundrum

    Ah the invincible age. You must also be single. Insurance is base on fear and you are at the age where you fear little. Or If married like several people at work where they aren’t covered but the spouse and child are.

  • conundrum

    Kenny, I take it you have a good disability insurance?

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Ah the invincible age. You must also be single. Insurance is base on fear and you are at the age where you fear little. Or If married like several people at work where they aren’t covered but the spouse and child are.

    No, I’m at the age where insurance does me no good, because it is a drain out of my pocket, and nothing that I’d have to have done at this point would be covered. I have had three minor surgeries in the past 2 years, all paid out of pocket. While insurance might’ve taken the costs down a little, I’d have paid more long term than I’d have saved at any of the surgeries.

    It’s a cost benefit anaylsis. If I get hurt at either of my jobs, I will be covered by the companies’ accident insurance. Outside of work, my chances of getting hurt are negligible.

  • robert108

    Woof: What makes you a liar on this issue is that nobody is forced to buy private insurance; it is a mutually-beneficial transaction, unlike the kind of govt mandating you lefties like to impose on everybody.

  • Kay
  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    LGF.
    Leave me out of your sick homo fantasies, please!

    Lying smear.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    My dad is a disabled vet and he gets great care from the government.

    Your dad is in the minority. The VA is the worst form of health care in the country.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Kenny, I take it you have a good disability insurance?

    I have no insurance of any kind. Like all 26 year olds who aren’t sickly, I understand that I am low risk and shouldn’t waste my money.

  • Buzz

    Private insurance companies have a bottom line.
    It’s big and fat.
    Would they throw you under the bus in your time of need?

    They know what you say is the truth, they are just too bullheaded to admit it. Private insurance fucks their clients all the time. My dad is a disabled vet and he gets great care from the government.

  • Socks

    Under government healthcare, some people would cost more than others. Healthcare would be paid through taxes, and so, when people who are not healthy because of choices that they made (not because they caught a sickness, or because they broke their arm, but because they smoke, take drugs, drink, are fat because of overeating, or any combination of all four), raise the costs of the system, everyone, including the people who lead reasonably healthy lifestyles will have to pay for it through raised taxes. Much better the free market system, where I don’t have to pay for insurance if I don’t want to.

  • FedUp

    Two things…
    1. Just how many illegal aliens are not covered that we would have to cover or conversely, how many illegals are we paying for now that we’d realize savings???

    2. Any health plan concocted by our clueless idiots in CONgress should be MANDATORY (no exceptions) for ALL elected officials from the small unit of government all the way to the president as well as every Union. If it’s not good enough for any of those people, then it isn’t good enough for the people for whom they serve.

    Then, let’s sit back and see some real dialog! I’m sick of government telling us what we can and cannot do. Regualte Cheerios… GIVE.ME.A.BREAK!!!

  • WOOFX

    and if you get really sick or hurt, the state will wind up paying for your care, so you’re already using gov’t as your insurer of last resort.
    There’s bankruptcy and there’s India

    Heart surgery can cost as much as £30,000 in the UK and up to $60,000 in the USA, depending on the nature of the operation. In India’s best hospitals however, it could cost between $3,000 and $10,000 for the same surgery.

  • WOOFX

    Private insurance companies have a bottom line.
    It’s big and fat.
    Would they throw you under the bus in your time of need?

    If you get sick , will that become a pre-existing condition if you have to change insurers? See even people with insurance can not necessarily afford to see a doctor.

    WellPoint Inc., UnitedHealth Group and Assurant Inc. canceled the coverage of more than 20,000 people, allowing the companies to avoid paying more than $300 million in medical claims over a five-year period.

    It also found that policyholders with breast cancer, lymphoma and more than 1,000 other conditions were targeted for rescission and that employees were praised in performance reviews for terminating the policies of customers with expensive illnesses.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-rescind17-2009jun17,0,3508020,full.story

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