Robert108, that’s all good, but there wern’t any horses in North America to domesticate until the Spaniards brought them over. Also you have to have roads before wheels make sense. I also understand that wheeled carts were very quickly adopted in South America, at least in those areas with good road systems (mostly Chile).

The Incas did make items out of copper and bronze including both armor and weapons (advanced warfare being one test of an advanced civilization of course). Here’s a mace head: http://www.precolumbianweapons.com/images/inca.h95.jpg“> Maces were invented to pierce through armor more effectively, so this is evidence of a bit of an “arms race” between the Incas and their enemies (whom they had pretty much vanquished by the time the Spaniards showed up).

I wasn’t aware that the discussion was limited to North American aborigines. Anyway to restrict oneself to “stone aged” cultures, you would have to also limit the discussion to not include North American tribes like the Navajos and other Southwestern nations, that also worked with metals, including silver, copper and gold.

ellinas: I am sure there are a few books and movies, but none of them have the notoriety of the stories about South Africa. Strange, as these other regimes were far more brutal, murderous and evil, but they didn’t have white people to play the devil did they?

I have studied Aparthied and have friends, black and white in South Africa and they all testify to much black violence against blacks and whites, and while I will not minimize the evils done under Aparthied, surely you will not say they equalled the 15 million deaths in the Congo, or 20,00 murders a year in Nigeria and on and on, would you? These and many other African nations in the past century have made Aparthied look like day camp in the Hamptons.

Many Indians knew how to work metal before the white man came. “Stone age” refers to technology level, not whether equestrian transportation was available or not. Since there were no horses indigenous to the Americas, the fact that white men brought them isn’t exactly apropos to anything.

. Savage brutality by Stone Age savages.

Stone age? Even the ones that worked with metal?

they all left and joined up with your team, right?

No. Those that wanted to join the Republican Party had to renounce their racist Dem ways. The Dem Party is the historical home of racism. Without the race card, and the 90% black voter “plantation”, they would be permanently out of power in this country. Since blacks are becoming upwardly mobile, the Dems are now wanting to suck up the invaders as voters, thus their support of blanket amnesty.

BTW, the connection between horses and the level of technology is that horse-drawn vehicles tend to benefit greatly from iron-bound wheels.
Even when they got horses from the Spaniards, the North American Indians still dragged their horse drawn conveyances behind them, because they lacked the wheel, much less the ability to make iron bound one for heavy hauling.

ellinas, the fact is, most people claiming racism are extremely racist themselves.
Racism includes ALL colors and don’t you be forgetting that.
Just because you are ignorant of the fact doesn’t make it any less of one

Kevin… not only the first but I’d say he’s pushing it on the second, third and fifth too
#1 You shall have no other gods before me. ["Obama has deep faith in Lord Hanuman and that is why we are presenting an idol of Hanuman to him,"]
#2 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything. [ Obama the messiah: "We're going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."
#3 You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God in vain [Obama's mentor and spiritual advisor G-damns America.]
#5 Honor your father and your mother [threw his ailing grandmother who raised him under the bus]

The guy is seriously beginning to give me the creeps
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFeMAzWyHQg

…. and BTW, why isn’t presenting him with a Monkey God seen as being racist? Ooooh.. I know why not. ‘Cause you have to be white in order to be called racist, huh?

I merely spoke of who suffered the most under racism.
ellinas on June 25, 2008 at 04:45 pm

No, you merely spoke of those who complain the loudest and most
Anna on June 25, 2008 at 04:58 pm

And by God they have every right to complain the loudest and most. Look at our history. It is filled with painfull memories.
You not remembering does not make it go away, nor does it soothe the wounds.

Neiman. I have not experienced any “virulent anti-white racism of Obama and most so-called African-Americans today”. When I do, I will gladly discuss it with you.
I, an immigrant to the US, even though white, did experience racism and discrimination at the hands of “WASP’S” or simply whites if you prefer. The “so-called African-Americans” as you call them were much more accepting and friendly than the WASP’S.
Now if you wish to discuss my experiences I shall indulge you.
As far as the “decades old, institutional racism of the Democrat Party?” I will simply say this: They are all WASP’S. Or from my point of view Americans.

e moron: “right to complain”? “painfull(sp) memories”?
“soothe the wounds”? Are you trying to be SA’s Dr Phil?
Typical leftie emotionalism.

I merely spoke of who suffered the most under racism.

No, you merely spoke of those who complain the loudest and most

RebTex Forgive me for not including the Native Americans. You are absolutely correct. They were almost wiped out of the map by the God fearing Christians.
However I was answering Anna.

You also say: “I know it doesn’t fit your little tantrum, but it’s the fact.”

No tantrum here. Facts are facts. I fully acknowlege the inhumanities suffered by the Native Americans.
Therefore you don’t know if it fit’s my “little and/or big tantrum.

Robert KKK Byrd

The Sioux and the Blackfeet would kill each other on sight.
robert108 on June 25, 2008 at 05:41 pm

Bob, didn’t you know they had issues to settle?
Just like George and Saddam.

Nothing of importance coming out of your mouth.

I had very little to work with.

These and many other African nations in the past century have made Aparthied look like day camp in the Hamptons.

Neiman. I have been is South Africa many times. I have witnessed apartheid at it’s ugliest.
Man’s inhumanity to man.
You also say:” why is it that we almost never read the books, hear the stories told or the movies made about the Aparthied, rapes, starvation, torture and murder in many African countries over the past couple of centuries by fellow Africans”

Plenty of books and movies out there. Seek and ye shall find.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1960697/posts
“…While Archie’s registration is never divulged, … deduction would make a very strong case he was a Democrat…… White male, living in New York City at a time when 70% of the town was registered Democrat, doing manual labor, afraid of economic competition from any minority, living a lower middle class existence. If Archie wasn’t a Democrat, nobody was.
…”

The stonework of the Incas was truly amazing, but the discussion was about the North American Indians, specifically the ones who lived in what is now the US.
The only “metalwork” by the Incas about which I know was in gold, which is quite easy to work. Show me their iron and copper weapons, machines and utensils.

They didn’t even have the wheel.
robert108 on June 28, 2008 at 06:05 pm

No horse, no wheel.
They had make up though.

That is no reason for God fearing Christians like yourself to ethnicaly cleanse them.

You lie again, e moron; it was the various tribes who were trying to ethnically cleanse each other.

Carrick: They were Stone Age when the white men first came to North America. They didn’t even have horses until the Spanish brought them.

No horse, no wheel.

Wrong again; wheelbarrows, carts, baby carriages and bicycles, along with a whole lot of other conveyances, don’t require horses.

Since there were no horses indigenous to the Americas, the fact that white men brought them isn’t exactly apropos to anything.

As you have already admitted, it goes to level of technology, which was my point. They didn’t even have the wheel.

The Church Obama attended without complaint for decades is part of the Black Liberation Movement, which is racist at its heart and represents, IMO, a threat to our nation. We know that under Wright and others anti-white racism was preached there, Obama knew about it and accepted it without any protest until his run for the White House. His accusations against the Right of running, in the upcoming campaign, a racist campaign is itself a racist statement. It is Obama that has raised the race issue in this campaign, not McCain or the GOP.

While it was not as virulent as during Slavery and Jim Crow, the Irish, Italians, Chinese, Japanese and other groups suffered racial discrimination in America at times in our history. But, by God’s Grace, Racism has, except for some extremists, pretty much died out in this country and if so-called African-Americans want to brood about the past and deny themselves and their families the opportunities available to all Americans, that is their choice.

Recently, I was studying Aparthied in South Africa and it occurred to me that as bad as that was and as much as I admire the South African blacks for their charitable rule after that form of economic and social injustice was rooted out; why is it that we almost never read the books, hear the stories told or the movies made about the Aparthied, rapes, starvation, torture and murder in many African countries over the past couple of centuries by fellow Africans, which states were much more violent and bloody than South Africa ever was at its worst? Why? Why is it that despite the change in this country to move away from past racial injustice, we rarely read of, hear about or see movies about black racism in this country against white people? Racism is only worthy of note if it is whites against blacks or other people of color. That is subtle racism, but as destructive to this nation as our slave owning and Jim Crow past.

The Democrats have enslaved tens of millions of blacks and other people to the pernicious and fatal effects of the welfare state. It is the Democrats that have told people of color they are incapable of succeeding without special laws to reward them for substandard performance.

As to the idiotic comment “You of course mean before they all left and joined up with your team, right? Dixiecrats as I recall.” That is ignorant in the extreme, it was the Republican Party under Republican Abraham Lincoln that put forward the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves, it was the Republicans that made all the Civil Rights legislation under LBJ possible, while rbb’s Dixiecrats voted against those laws. It is the Republicans that have told people of color they are as good as anyone else, have given them the tools for success and then stepped aside to enable these people to succeed on their own and innumerable African-American CEO’s and multi-millionaires testify to the wisdom of that policy.

But, it is easier to wallow in racism and blame whitey for all the faults throughout world history and pretend that it was not African slave traders than made slavery possible; and it is so easy to ignore the fact that whites, especially white Christians led the fight against slavery and Jim Crow. No, it is easier to feel sorry for ourselves and blame our laziness, ignorance and poor choices in life on that devil Whitey! Much easier than making right choices, working hard and succeeding by our own efforts.

You know what Bob? Not my fault that there was no Geneva convention at the time. Not my fault, that God fearing Christians were trying to erase off the face of the earth the “savages” as you call them.
Not my fault you watched too many R. Reagan movies.
And so what if they were “Stone Age savages”.
That is no reason for God fearing Christians like yourself to ethnicaly cleanse them.

Archie: I told them how many people like me believe in President Nixon. God believes in him, too.
Michael: You said that on television? "God believes in Nixon?"
Archie: Certainly. Billy Graham plays golf with him, don't he?
Michael: What does that mean?
Archie: That means God believes in Nixon.

ellinas,
Your “facts” were faulty.
I merely called you on it.
Now that we agree that the blacks weren’t the only ones biased against, and by extension that racism takes on many colors, we have no issue.

That’s all 57 states for you Obama fans!

…. and BTW, why isn’t presenting him with a Monkey God seen as being racist? Ooooh.. I know why not. ‘Cause you have to be white in order to be called racist, huh?
Anna on June 25, 2008 at 11:47 am

While you may be correct, let us not forget who suffered under racism in our country. And because of the racism exibited at one time (and propably today)by the white Americans some people are sensitive to that, your derision and denial notwithstanding.

BTW….Where do they have the black Reservations?
RebTex on June 25, 2008 at 05:58 pm

New Orleans, and some other cities.

Mr. linkin’ without thinkin’ seems to imply that one endorsement white washes (?)this: “The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia… [and] in every state in the nation.”-Robert KKK Byrd

Ethnic cleansing is an issue to be dealt with whether you like it or not.

e moron: I’m the one that brought it up in connection with the reality behind the myths you propagated about the American Indians. You are the one who tried to whitewash it as “issues”. Ethnic cleansing is evil, not some sort of psychobabble “issue”. You just don’t get it, but then that’s how it is with you, on every subject so far.

Ethnic cleansing is an issue to be dealt with whether you like it or not.

Looks like Barry O doesn’t believe in the ten commandments…

Bwahahahahaha! Oh no!
GET YOUR ARMOR AND YOUR PIKES MEN, ITS OFF TO JERUSALEM FOR US!