Good Grief: Obama Administration Reconsiders Sherrod Firing

U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack speaks at a media conference at a command center near the Albert Pike recreation area near Caddo Gap, Arkansas June 12, 2010. Flash floods swept through the campground overnight Friday morning, with 17 confirmed dead and an unknown number missing, state officials said on Saturday. REUTERS/Mike Stone (UNITED STATES - Tags: ENVIRONMENT DISASTER)

I don’t believe for a minute that Sherrod’s firing wasn’t ordered directly by Barack Obama. There is no way that Ag Secretary Tom Vilsack handled this without first running it up to the President, and indeed yesterday Vilsack’s predecessor Ed Schafer said that during term in office it’s the sort of decision that absolutely would have been put in front of the President.

Obama made the call. He demanded Sherrod’s job. I’m convinced of that. And now, it looks like they may be backpedaling quickly:

WASHINGTON – Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said Wednesday he will reconsider the department’s decision to oust a black employee over racially tinged remarks after learning more about what she said.

Vilsack issued a short statement early Wednesday morning after Shirley Sherrod, who until Tuesday was the Agriculture Department’s director of rural development in Georgia, said she was pressured to resign because of her comments that she didn’t give a white farmer as much help as she could have 24 years ago.

Sherrod said her remarks, delivered in March at a local NAACP banquet in Georgia, were part of a larger story about learning from her mistakes and racial reconciliation, not racism, and they were taken out of context by a blogger who posted only part of her speech.

This is the part that had me chuckling:

“I am of course willing and will conduct a thorough review and consider additional facts to ensure to the American people we are providing services in a fair and equitable manner,” Vilsack said.

Nice of him to grant a thorough review…after the woman was fired and humiliated.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MikeAdamson MikeAdamson

    Knee jerk reaction is the newest pandemic. If political life could be played on the Xbox then I'd be tempted to hit the reset button. It doesn't seem to matter whether it's the left or the right, there is simply too much silliness these days.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

    Whether or not her story ended in a feel-good anecdote about racism and redemption, she made racist remarks. The whole "I took him to his own kind" crack is a great example. But this isn't about Ms. Sherrod or whether people were offended, I wasn't particularly offended. It is about pointing out that racism exists everywhere, even in the NAACP itself, and that before they go wagging their fingers at other groups maybe they should look within first.

    • TheTodd

      mikemc1970: What was her speech about?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

      Not all the details are out yet, but it appears her comments were part of a larger conversation, which when taken in context provides reasonable proof that her remarks were instructive of a larger point against her own racism. It is like a white teacher using the word Nig*er in class and is reported as being a racist and fired. Then examining the entire matter, the teacher was giving examples of words not to use, which are hurtful of others, narrow minded and unacceptable. It appears that was the context in this case, in effect, 'I acted in a racist manner and having my own racism exposed learned that it was about helping poor people and not about skin color.'

      Yes, I know if it were a white person they would have been lynched so turnabout is fair play, only it isn't. I recall Stephen Biko saying a corrupt policeman black or white is still a corrupt policeman and he did not want to exchange a white thug for a black thug. So, no matter if a white Republican might have been or might be treated unfairly in the future, a decent person will give people like Sherrod the benefit of the doubt.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/realitybasedbob realitybasedbob

        Sorry Old Pal, you are simply wrong about the video.
        Did you watch the whole thing?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

          That is your opinion – it is NOT objective fact. IJNBSTFS!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

        Enough details are out. She doesn't particularly matter in this context. This is about racism being alive and well in the NAACP. Whether or not it was an anecdotal story, she said it, and it is a racist remark regardless of the context.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

          A man says, I was a drug abuser and I hurt many people because of my drug abuse. So, that means they are forever a drug abuser in your eyes and unworthy of having it put in their past, forgotten and allowed to keep working?

          She admitted for a greater point of having a racist attitude at one point in her life, which was a wake-up call for her and changed her actions. That is repentance and redemption, something you obviously reject.

          Does racism exist in the NAACP? Sure! It exists everywhere, even in your heart.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

            Wow, did you major in missing the point? You're the only one judging her (innocent). Now apply some reading comprehension skills, reread my posts, and understand. IT ISN'T ABOUT HER. It's about racism being in the NAACP. You obviously get that point but must enjoy reading what you've typed too much to stop now.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            Whether or not it was an anecdotal story, she said it, and it is a racist remark regardless of the context.

            Whether or not her story ended in a feel-good anecdote about racism and redemption, she made racist remarks.

            Sure sounds like you have made it all about her to me! Your trying to add condemnation of the NAACP to your charges does not erase the fact you have made her remarks the issue.

            Unlike the few hate filled conservatives here, I am about giving her the benefit of the doubt based on the facts as I know them at this point in time. That does not make her innocent of making the remarks and/or of having those racist feelings at the time; unless that is, as has been reported elsewhere, her remarks were in the context of how she was wrong when the incident occurred to not want to help them just because the people were poor and needed help and not making those decisions based on the color of their skin.

            If that was not the context, then we still have to add to our analysis of the issue how many years ago she made those remarks, then we must, if we are fair at all, add into the equation that even the farmer and his family gave her credit for saving their farm and that the wife of the farmer considers her a friend. If those facts are upheld, she still deserves the benefit of the doubt. How the fact she said it before an NAACP audience reflects upon them is a whole different issue IMO.

            If you do not like how I view this incident, no one is forcing you to agree with me. You are free to react however you want, your feelings are not my responsibility. From what I have heard so far, the facts seem to come down in her favor in this case.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

            “Sure sounds like you have made it all about her to me!“

            No that's just the way you've spun it. Use some Ritalin or whatever else you need and try to stay focused here, it's about the NAACP. She's not the story, she's just the vessel the story has arrived in.

            “I am about giving her the benefit of the doubt based on the facts as I know them at this point in time.“

            I will give her the same benefit of a doubt any white person making similar remarks would receive from the NAACP.

            “If you do not like how I view this incident, no one is forcing you to agree with me.“

            I don't give a crap how you view this or anything else, but please feel free to continue to pontificate over things I still haven't written.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            I offered you two of your personal attacks on her that you posted to prove that I did not spin it at all.

            Breitbart as in my comments below, describes his point as being a counter attack against the racist charges regarding the Tea Party.

            A decent person does not say 'I'll behave decently after my enemies behave decently first. We should do the right and decent thing all the time, no matter how our enemies act or whether anyone sees us or not. Being fair and decent is not conditional, we either are or we are not. We all fail in this area and I am speaking to myself as well.

            Pontificate: Means to say something in a dogmatic way and since I said you are free to reject my views and hold your own, means I was not being dogmatic. Sorry, pick a different word.

            Your nasty drug comments only demonstrate the weakness of your character at this moment in time and the weakness of your views on this issue, IMO.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

            “I offered you two of your personal attacks on her that you posted to prove that I did not spin it at all.”

            Those weren't attacks Einstein those were facts, she said them, They're on tape, I didn't really judge her because I wasn't offended by them.

            “Breitbart as in my comments below, describes his point as being a counter attack against the racist charges regarding the Tea Party.”

            And that counter attack was against the NAACP. NOT Ms. Sherrod. See you're still not paying attention.

            “A decent person does not say 'I'll behave decently after my enemies behave decently first. We should do the right and decent thing all the time, no matter how our enemies act or whether anyone sees us or not. Being fair and decent is not conditional, we either are or we are not. We all fail in this area and I am speaking to myself as well.”

            I will treat people no differently, than they treat me, that's fair enough. If you enjoy being someones bitch, that's your lookout.

            “Pontificate: Means to say something in a dogmatic way and since I said you are free to reject my views and hold your own, means I was not being dogmatic. Sorry, pick a different word.”

            Pontificate – Pompously dogmatic or self-important; pretentious.

            Fits you to a tee, so the words stands.

            “Your nasty drug comments only demonstrate the weakness of your character at this moment in time and the weakness of your views on this issue, IMO.”

            Actually it was crack at your inability to focus on what other people have to say, but instead try to force your own screwed up interpretations of them on to others. Again you're unable to grasp the subtleties. Pathetic.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            This is why the GOP/Conservatism will fail and fail and fail and fail over time – the hatred of conservatives for fellow conservatives. It is a viewpoint of either agree with me 100% or I will treat you like a hated liberal and do all I can to divide the party/movement. Here at SAB conservatives hate fellow conservatives and launch childish attacks at their failure/refusal to think like them.

            You don't want the GOP/Conservatism to win when you and your fellow travelers do all you can to build barriers and division. The GOP/Conservatism is dead, conservatives killed it to massage their own massive ego; and in their heartless approach to every issue under the sun, they are being eaten alive by their own..

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/realitybasedbob realitybasedbob

            Yes.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            You are so thoroughly indecent and loathsome that even your "ye" is offensive to me.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, thank you for admitting that you are filled with hate.

            (I'll let poof correct your spelling)

          • Neiman

            They are typing errors – not spelling errors! I am not very good at the keyboard and in a rush forget to use the spell check at times.

            I never admitted any such thing liar!

            Thanks for admitting that you reject Christ, because Christ and the Father HATE all sin and you reject all hate so you reject God Who hates evil.

            You are too much a simpleton to get this, but there is a very big difference between hating the words and beliefs of a person and hating them. I may hate some things my late son was engaged in in his early life, but I loved and love him unconditionally. Even had he not begun to change his life before his untimely death, I absolutely loved and accepted him and still do. Thus, it is not only possible but advisable to hate all evil passionately, to despise the words and beliefs of a person and yet still love their eternal souls completely, with a whole heart. But, this will escape your understanding, you are simply not capable of understanding this because you are, by your own admission outside of Christ.

            Please stop lying, even though it does please your father!

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, be sure to let poof know that was just an error.
            Now, please continue with your hate filled rant.

            (I especially enjoyed the gop hate of gop bits. Do you have anything more on that?)

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            If you're looking for your relevance, boob, I think you left it in your other purse!

          • Kenny

            If someone is wrong, they are wrong. It is not hateful of us to point out they are wrong, no matter how it offends them. Even mocking correction is not necessarily hateful.

            This idea that conservatives owe it to each other to never correct each other is asinine and bizarrely out of touch with Christian values. It is far more childish to demand that you be hands off because "we're on the same team" or to bemoan non-existent hateful attacks on you.

            Grow up Neiman, stop playing victim, and stop complaining that someone did far less to you than you did to someone else. There is nothing on this page that compares to "Eat Sh*t and Die" directed at you…especially not some lame comment to take ritalin. There's that whole passage about beams and splinters in eyes…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            You have a right to your opinion, your many insults notwithstanding. I do not expect nor even desire you to ever agree with me as touching any subject under the sun. You are free to think or do whatever you choose.

            Yet, I have never read a single word here by any conservative that contains the most microscopic amount of compassion for anyone and if a conservative disagrees with a conservative, they are viciously attacked and ALWAYS in most hateful terms. But, I don't have to prove my point, whatever happens this election cycle after that the GOP/Conservatism will continue to lose power and influence in America, because quite frankly no conservative likes any other conservative in the slightest, what is supremely important is the self-massaging of egos, the desire to prove they are superior to everyone else and to hell with the party or conservative ideals if they interfere with savaging each other.

            A house divided against itself, as the GOP and Conservatives are hatefully divided against each other, cannot, it will not stand. You and I are bitter enemies, if you vote for candidate-A, I will vote for candidate-B and vice versa, just to spite on another. We are typical of the GOP.Conservative movement, we will always divide the party because we cannot stand one another at all.

            As to my comments, I have never pretended to be a saint and I all too often engage in intemperate language and attack those that attack me. Not very Christian, but quite human I am afraid. But, I certainly do not need advice on how to be a Christian from people that I don't believe are Christian at all.

            Now attack me back as is your wont!

          • Kenny

            You told someone to Eat Sh*t and Die. And you routinely call people who disagree with you rapists, pedophiles, homosexuals, and more. So spare me the self righteousness. You have no place to lecture myself or most others.

            NO ONE was hateful to you. Telling you to take ritalin and pay attention is so mild it barely registers as an insult.

            If you would vote for candidate B just because I vote for candidate A, then you are a fool. I give you no consideration when I vote, and wouldn't change my vote just because we happened to agree. If this is truly how you operate, that you would vote differently than me out of spite, then you are not even remotely Christian. I suppose that's the difference Neiman. I have no respect for you, because you are not a principled or consistent person, but I hold no ill will for you. I will defend you when you are unfairly maligned, despite your nasty record of slander against me, and I will tell you you are wrong when you are wrong. Just as I have done for RBB in the past.

            Reread that whole story about the beam and the splinter again. It REALLY applies to you.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            All you have proven is why the GOP/Conservatives cannot win – cannibalism. We work overtime to devour our own, to cleanse the party and movement from all that will not submit to our views. We have no common purpose, other than attack and kill each other. What do we stand for? What would draw us together? So, if you vote for or support a candidate I can be reasonably sure that candidate opposes my beliefs and I should not vote for them.

            You'll forgive me I am sure if I do not look to a person of your questionable character as a reliable gauge of what or what does not constitute a good Christian.

            While I read about the beam/splinter maybe you should try reading the entire New Testament at least once.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

            “This is why the GOP/Conservatism will fail and fail and fail and fail over time – the hatred of conservatives for fellow conservatives.“

            Wrong, the only way the Conservatives will fail, is if we let the Democrats / Progressives / Liberals run roughshod over us, because they will never give an inch. Believe it.

            “It is a viewpoint of either agree with me 100% or I will treat you like a hated liberal and do all I can to divide the party/movement. Here at SAB conservatives hate fellow conservatives and launch childish attacks at their failure/refusal to think like them.“

            Pot calling kettle: “Hey you're black”.

            “You don't want the GOP/Conservatism to win when you and your fellow travelers do all you can to build barriers and division. The GOP/Conservatism is dead, conservatives killed it to massage their own massive ego; and in their heartless approach to every issue under the sun, they are being eaten alive by their own.”

            Fail. You don't want Conservatism to win when you let the Left get away with their dirty tricks without pulling your own. You are the right wing equivalent of a Moonbat, you have absolutely no connection to the real world. If you like the Left shutting you down with every dirty trick in the book, that's fine, but I think you have a lot of gall expecting anyone else to be that stupid.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            Wrong, the only way the Conservatives will fail, is if we let the Democrats / Progressives / Liberals run roughshod over us, because they will never give an inch. Believe it.

            That is your wholly subjective opinion, not objective fact. Victory never depends upon what the enemy might do, it is the responsibility of the leaders of the opposition to develop an effective war plan on their own terms and to get everyone to follow that plan. You don't react to the enemy, you anticipate him and defeat him before he even starts.

            We will fail first and foremost because conservatives cannot help but appear like heartless, selfish pigs that don't really give a da*n about each other, let alone anyone else, it is all about money. Whether you think that is a true image or not, that is the prevailing view IMO and the independents we need, while they will on occasion vote for the Right Wing accountant types, mostly as the polls are now indicating is beginning to happen, they will drift back Left because Americans are a charitable people and the right appears to have no compassion at all.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            Next it is because the GOP/Conservatives cannot lead, they have only demonstrated that they are good back bench politicians, good at saying no and obstructing, but they cannot get out in front of issues and lead the American people. Unemployment Insurance extension is a current case in point. They should have been out FIRST pleading on behalf of those out of work and in need through no fault of their own, offering proposed legislation, paying for it without increasing the budget and been on every talk show, in front of every camera, seen to be fighting for the unemployed, bringing the American people along with them and defeating the Democrats. What did they do, almost silently they did talk about alternative funding, while loudly, publicly opposing extending UI benefits, making it appear they didn't care about those people and only cared about not spending any money and that made them look really bad. They refused to see the problem, to seize the initiative and lead the nation with some freaking concern for others.

            Next, the conservatives have NO national message the American people can support, they have given all the future ground to the Left. They are unable to articulate any single plan for America's future with a little bit of heart in it and then we get to the really big problem: If you read the blogs and listen to the politicians, we conservatives actually hate each other! We would rather shoot at and bury our own more than we have a desire to win at the polls. We have no ammunition for the liberal enemy, because we are using it all against each other and no one is leading anyone else anywhere.

            My God, you people don't even want to examine our weaknesses and take serious inventory of our resources before going into battle. You don't want/demand a solid war plan everyone, including independents can get behind; rather, it is each person saying: "It is my way or the highway, to hell with other conservatives and what they believe, it is my way or else."

            We cannot win if you want to fight the war their way, allowing them to pick the battlefield and the rules for the fight. Reagan led, he was often wrong and a lot more pragmatic than most starry-eyed, so-called Reaganites remember him. Yet, he had a few core principles, he crafted an inclusive warm, positive message for America's future, he would not bend on his values, but he was willing to be realistic. He had a war plan that was unlike the enemy's, he chose the ground and the rules of warfare and he won. He, unlike most conservatives today, like you, did not waste his ammunition killing off his own people. The result was winning the Cold War without firing a shot and building the foundation for the booming economy that Billy Jeff would enjoy and take credit for, but he cared less about credit that wining the war.

            Today's conservatism is cannibalistic, self loathing and considers fellow conservatives the enemy. How in the hell will you win a war when you are creating such discontent within your own soldiers and turning off possible allies (independents)? If I hate you personally, why would I follow you? You are more likely to get shot in the back with that attitude!

            There are goat herders and sheep herders in life. The goat herders (your side) walks behind the goats and chooses to beat them to make them go where they want them to go, because the goats do not trust them. The sheep herder is trusted by the sheep, he walks out front, he leads the sheep because they trust him. You want to beat fellow conservatives into submission, rather than gain their trust by the worth of your ideas so they might willingly follow you.

            I do expect you to continue being stupid by fighting against your own side and producing enemies within your own ranks. Your comments above are ample proof of your determination to beat others into submission or drive them off so you can have your own way.

            The GOP/Conservatives will gain seats this election cycle because of voter discontent, not because of any embrace of conservative values, because quite frankly, no one, not even conservatives can agree on what the message should be and without a vision a people will perish. The only vision out there now is a socialist one, because we conservatives are more consumed with self hatred than planning for war. I do expect you to totally disagree with everything I've written and thereby prove why we cannot win.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

            Jesus, you do like to read what you type. Hubris anyone?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            First my name is not Jesus and I doubt you know Him well enough to talk to Him. Why? Using His Name in vain is blasphemous in the extreme.

            Where is the excessive pride or ambition? I am not running for or want anything. Next, knowing your character, I prefer to mount a full defense rather than allow you to set the agenda through deliberately saying things I did not say! Lastly, it is not pride to make sure one communicates their ideas with some completeness.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/mikemc1970 mikemc1970

            “That is your wholly subjective opinion, not objective fact. Victory never depends upon what the enemy might do, it is the responsibility of the leaders of the opposition to develop an effective war plan on their own terms and to get everyone to follow that plan. You don't react to the enemy, you anticipate him and defeat him before he even starts. “

            Which is what I said, anticipate the enemies dirty tricks and counter with your own. DUH!

            “We will fail first and foremost because conservatives cannot help but appear like heartless, selfish pigs that don't really give a da*n about each other, let alone anyone else, it is all about money. Whether you think that is a true image or not, that is the prevailing view IMO and the independents we need, while they will on occasion vote for the Right Wing accountant types, mostly as the polls are now indicating is beginning to happen, they will drift back Left because Americans are a charitable people and the right appears to have no compassion at all.“

            The right only appears to have no compassion because we let the Progressives use their dirty tricks to paint us that way, while morons like you stand around with their thumbs up their asses saying “no thanks, we'll just play nice”.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            Which is what I said, anticipate the enemies dirty tricks and counter with your own. DUH!

            Well we disagree! I believe conservatism can win and stay in power if we have a good, clear, coherent battle plan for America that is well executed and supported by the people, not by dirty tricks. To replace dirty tricks Democrats with dirty tricks Republicans, either way, we have dirty people in power over our lives. I gave the example of Biko who said when you replace a white thug policeman with a black thug policeman, all you still have are thugs as policemen.

            If you fight evil with evil, you are still under the dominion of evil!

            Sorry, we still disagree, conservatives appear to have no compassion because they have allowed themselves to be painted that way by their own actions. Last Sunday on Fox News Sunday a white Republican and a Black Democrat faced off. The Democrat spoke of the Unemployment Insurance extension in terms of people in desperate need and the Arizona Immigration law as approving of racial profiling and not supporting those aliens that have fought for our country. The Republican only focused on the debt and on the need to close the borders. The Republican didn't express any concern for the people involved, he lost the initiative and looked like another bookkeeper conservative without a heart. That wasn't a Democrat dirty trick, the Democrat will always take the initiative and speak in human terms and the Republican in terms of dollars and cents. You can't blame the Democrats!

            I never said conservatism has no compassion, in the long term it is more compassionate, genuinely compassionate; but, you can never know that by the way conservatives communicate, as there we find no sense of humanity at all.

            The Republican should have seized the moment and promoted the GOP's concerns for real people and demonstrated how there was a way to keep from raising the deficit and helping those out of work at the same time, but he didn't really care, so he didn't even know how to address the issue in human terms.

            Lastly, I never said play nice, we were discussing what was the decent way to deal with Sherrod in terms of her not really being a racist in this situation. Yet, I don't think dirty tricks can produce anything but dirty people. We can fight and win without them, if we can stop hating and attacking each other and develop a message and a plan for victory and that on the high ground.

          • Kenny

            "A decent person does not say 'I'll behave decently after my enemies behave decently first. We should do the right and decent thing all the time, no matter how our enemies act or whether anyone sees us or not. Being fair and decent is not conditional, we either are or we are not. We all fail in this area and I am speaking to myself as well. "

            That's kinda hurt by the whole "Eat Sh*t and Die" comments directed to RBB, but whatever.

            Mike is correct. If someone says "I used to be a racist. I hated blacks and refused to help them in their time of need." and the audience shouts "Amen", then the audience is clearly agreeing with that sentiment. If the speaker then goes on to repudiate that as wrong, and the audience stops responding, then that speaks poorly to the audience. We'd view that as obviously racist. Yet we feel reluctant to apply that to the NAACP? Why? It's still racist. It's still shameful. Even the VP of the NAACP was taken aback. So, you're simply wrong, and you're playing victim on top of it, compounded by a massive case of "Do what I say, not what I do."

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            Still showing your passionate love for rbb, who admits he is a socialist and not a Christian. Strange bedfellows and all that!

      • TheTodd

        To the question, "What was her speech about?" Neiman responded:

        "Not all the details are out yet, but it appears her comments were part of a larger conversation, which when taken in context provides reasonable proof that her remarks were instructive of a larger point…"

        IOW: You have no f*cking idea.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

          If you are unable to communicate in plain English, either go back to school or your country of origin please!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/realitybasedbob realitybasedbob

            More cowardly bullying I see, huh Old Pal?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AKAWOOF AKAWOOF

    She'll be getting out the Georgia farm vote for Democrats.
    She saved the farm.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/VladTaltos VladTaltos

    Where is the post on the dishonesty of Andrew Breitbart?

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

      Shhh! we don't post sh!t like that here.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

        We???

        You got a gerbil in your pocket?

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

          Want to check?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

            Nah! I'm strictly a "meat and potatoes" kind of guy. That Greek stuff never much interested me.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            There is meat for you in there. Tube steak.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

      Get yourself a Reader's Blog and put it up there. Who knows? Perhaps someone will express an interest.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

      Actually, Breitbart posted even that part of the video which was exculpatory! Wherein was he dishonest?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/goon48 goon48

        Andrew Breitbart is one of the best conservative journalists in the country no wonder the NOBAMA administration is wants to shut him down.

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

          Breitbart is a conservative hack.
          Now STFU. :)

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/goon48 goon48

            You're funny… :) However, I would take his work over Paul Krugman anyday.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            The man has no shame.

          • Son of Liberty

            That's because you assume he did this on purpose. As I said below, whether you believe him or not will depend on your political leanings. Which is expected.
            The larger story remains – NAACP racist nature.

        • I H8 GOPers

          Brightboy IS one of the best conservative "journalists" in the country. That's like being the prettiest turd in the toilet, the most reliable Yugo on the road, the best episode of "the hills", or the best smelling skunk.

  • Son of Liberty

    Interesting development. But it still doesn't explain the whole story. Consider NAACP statement from Mr. Jealous:

    "…Her actions were shameful. While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man.

    The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action…"

    So Mr. Jealous here points out that in the midst of the story (which at that point only shown the racist feelings) the crowd was going cheering (watch the video again) and it is shameful.

    Whether A B knew about the full tape is a different subject. Whether you believe him or not will probably depend on your political leanings. Fact nonetheless remains NAACP crowd was cheerfully approving at the example of the racist behavior, which Shirley later explained in detail.
    That is of course not surprising. Google for NAACP conference and the racist Jeremiah Write, or anti jewish/ anti-white Nation of Islam. They both held conferences and had the same response. Approval of racism at NAACP, which was A B's point to begin with. Check mate.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

    Mate, you checked nothing.

    • Son of Liberty

      It appears that I accidentally posted a reply, instead of attaching it your reply. See my reply below.

  • Son of Liberty

    One can lead a horse to the water but if the horse is unwilling…

    Let's try it slower shall we?
    1) Shirley is telling a story of her struggle. At the part where she conveys her racist feelings (that she eventually conquered, good for her), the crowd goes cheering and approving. FACT

    2) Mr. Jealous agrees with the above point in his release: "…The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action…". FACT

    3) NAACP hosted both Jeremiah Wright and Nation of Islam. FACT

    Juvenal denial does not look very fashionable on you Ellianas1.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Onslaught1066 Onslaught1066

      "Juvenal denial does not look very fashionable on you Ellianas1."

      Actually, it's her forte'… well that and pederasty

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

        Hello Onslaught1666. How are you today?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Onslaught1066 Onslaught1066

          why do you bring up the Great Fire of London?

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            Because you light up my life. /sarc

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Onslaught1066 Onslaught1066

            and you wonder why I don't even try to talk to you like a real person, now toddle off and pork some ten year old boy.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            Don't flater yourself. I wonder about nothing that you say.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Onslaught1066 Onslaught1066

            FOADIAF

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            You want me to die In a fire huh? Whishfull thinking by an uwashed con.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

      Juvenal denial does not look very fashionable on you Ellianas

      Its a bit late to start worrying about that.

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

      Mate, you still checked nothing.

      • Son of Liberty

        hmm… you just keep repeating that without making any refutals. Is it something they teach in lib schools, that if you keep repeating something without actually addressing the argument it makes your point "true"?

        sound terribly like our trollie ad hominem ad nauseum.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

    Gee, really? Now STFU sock puppet.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/goon48 goon48

      You STFU loser.

      • party_of_edd

        You are not cool like other Conservatives, now STFU loser.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

      "Gee, really? Now STFU sock puppet"

      Lady_Attorney: The next time Liberal Larry sidles up next to you (hopefully, you've had all your shots!) and tries to pretend that he's "all about reasonable discussion", I'd say at least 80% of the comments he makes here are about the same quality and just as substantive.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

    Conservatives are always playing the race card. It's all they have against American blacks.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

    Party of ADD adds his blathering hatespew. Want to back up your nonsense with any evidence? Any links?? Anything other than hot air???

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

      Don't hold your breath, Proof. His whole "there is no Moratorium" rant quickly gurgled down the drain. Besides, its those on the Left, like "party" here, who use race as a crutch to excuse incompetence.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        The Left plays the race card over the slightest criticism of BO Plenty. Which, given the competence (or lack thereof) of this administration has lead to the card being played continually.

    • party_of_edd

      As you can see below, Son of Liberty is neck deep in his ability and desire to play the race card.

      My statement stands and the evidence is reflected all over this site.

      • Son of Liberty

        You statements stands… as a childish ad hominem. Your childish insults do not refute the facts. That's pretty lame mate. Is that really the height of your intellect?

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

          Matey, can you debate? Argue? Methinks not.

          • Son of Liberty

            Once again if you had any other words than your broken record:"you can't debate, it doesn't prove it" without offering any refutation, I would debate you.
            As such you can not distinguish when a post is addressed to you and when it is not.
            Both of those points strongly indicate you are a sock puppet with party of edd.

      • Proof_Positive

        One commenter. So, if I show one or more liberals playing the race card, that shows that all liberals do it too? Pretty lame even for you Party of ADD. But, here's one for you:

        Spencer Ackerman, Washington Independent on "Journolist":

        I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It's not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright's defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger's [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.
        And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they've put upon us. Instead, take one of them–Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares–and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        Your evidence is anecdotal and in no way outweighs anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Again, you've proven nothing.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

          Proof positive asks me to prove my point, I do, and then he goes off the reservation in rage after being proven wrong.

          You can't pay for this kind of entertainment.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            You haven't "proven" anything my ADD afflicted friend. I keep giving you evidence to the contrary and you keep forgetting it as soon as I say it. Are you on drugs?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            I Googled "party_of_edd" and "Moron" and got twice as many hits as you did! I guess you'll go off the reservation in rage after being proven wrong? You are such a moron, ADD!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            Somebody looks like he is fixated on edd!!! Uh oh!!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            You flatter yourself. Actually, I'm just trying to clean out my inbox, and every time I check back there, there's a fresh, steaming pile of stupidity from either you or Looney Lumpy Larry!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

      If you want evidence, just scroll down to Son of Liberties comments.

      He is neck deep in playing the race card.

      Are you seriously that stupid?

  • Son of Liberty

    Mate, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

    Facts:
    GOP started as the party against SLAVERY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28…
    DEM were prominent members of KKK (eg Byrd who was the grand wizard in the KKK) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Creatio… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_…
    DEM opposed desegregation http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-…

    One more fact, as I have shown below NAACP has lots of racist issues with its members.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lady_Attorney Lady_Attorney

      Apparently you are entitled to pick your own facts because that's what your did. Tell the whole story. Not everyone is as uneducated as you apparently believe they are.
      FACTS:
      1. Rutherford B Hayes, a REPUBLICAN sells out black Americans in the compronise of 1877 to insure his presidency, giving rise to the KKK and Jim Crow law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877

      2. Northern Democrats and Republicans supported civil rights legislation while Southern Democrats and Reublicans opposed it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_…

      3. Republicans employ "southern strategy" to recruit racist Southern Democrats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy” target=”_blank”>.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

      As I said, conservatives are intellectually dishonest. SInce you cited wikipedia as a source I used it as well. I'd love hear how it's become a biased liberal source since you made your post.

      • Son of Liberty

        1) You are saying some spineless Rep politician making concessions to the Racist Democratic Party to be meas that all repubs at the time are as racists as the Dems who created Jim Crow laws and climate of racists hatred. Ah… no comment.
        2) You mean to say that murdering black and white Republicans by Dem KKK in the South would not have produced a few cowards? Really?
        3) Once again few spineless republicans making concessions to the Jim Crow Democrats is not the same as majority of Democratic party being RACIST and demanding those RACISTS concessions in the first place.

        LA you are taking outliners from Republican Party and equating them with MAJORITY of RACIST DEMS. Who's an intellectual coward here?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

    I see you are changing the subject, as most conservatives do when they can't debate the facts on the issues they raise.

    The issue is about this black woman, who saved the white woman's farm. Why do y'all feel the need to raise the race issue on this? Is it because it's all you have? I think so!

    We saw how you played the race card all throughout the 2008 election.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

      Why is it "changing the subject" to ask you to present evidence for your bullsh*t assertions, but it is not "changing the subject" for you to make them?
      Making bullsh*t statements and lying without evidence is what most liberals do when they can't debate the facts on the issues they raise.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

        When you thread-jack a post about one thing and then change the subject to another (such as Obama), you are attempting to cover up something.

        The evidence is everywhere in this post, and others. The conservatives play the race card, all the time. That is now fact, how will you deny it?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

          Calling you on your bullsh*t is not "thread jacking a post". If you cannot back up the horse hockey you write, find a blog with training wheels where you can learn to debate like an adult.

          I realize why you'd rather just make the assertions without evidence. You clearly have none. (Or your ADD has caused you to forget where you out it!)

          • party_of_edd

            Proof,

            You really get derailed when someone proves you wrong. I am enjoying this.

            You thread jacked this post by brining up Obama. Then you asked if I had any evidence of conservatives playing the race card and gave you 1 of roughly 5 comments in this post alone, where conservatives play the race card.

            Got anything else I can prove you wrong about?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Your ADD must be kicking in. You "proved" no such thing. But if it helps you sleep at night, give yourself a cookie!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

            I see several instances where people played the race card on this thread.

            Why are you lying proof_positive?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            says Hannitized/Liberal Larry/Will_Hunt/ Joe Sixpack!
            You may give yourself a cookie, too, Hanni!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/goon48 goon48

            Yeah I noticed that Liberal Larry also says a lot of the same stupid things that Buzz used to as well.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            You aren't entitled to your own facts. You are hooked on lying.

            Suit yourself. You just make yourself look dishonest and feebleminded.

          • Proof_Positive

            You are hilarious, ADD! You've done nothing but make mindless assertions you cannot back up.

            "You just make yourself look dishonest and feebleminded." Party of ADD's autobiography in eight words!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            This one comment I have made has you on the verge of a mental breakdown. You really need to stop taking this sort of thing so personally.

            I mean, why not just admit the conservatives play the race card all the time. There is certainly more evidence of that than not.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            "why not just admit the conservatives play the race card all the time."
            Because it would be like admitting that you have an original thought inside the vast, empty canyons of your head! In other words, it's not true.

            "There is certainly more evidence of that than not." LOL! Which is why you have so much trouble finding it! You really are quite funny, ADD. I just don't think you mean it to be!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

        Another thread jack from Proof Positive. Shocking!!!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

          Is "thread jack" yet another simple English phrase you have trouble comprehending (like "Sock puppet" and "camp"), Lickspittle?
          It is not thread jacking to call one of you mindless libtards on your gratuitous cheap shots.
          Let this be a "teachable moment for you ADD sufferers: If you feel that defending yourselves for the mindless, sneering, gratuitous cheap shots you make detracts from the subject, don't make them! And don't come crying"thread jack" to us because you've got no evidence to back up your lies and attempted smears.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

            I also see the comment you made where you tried to change the subject to our president Barack Obama.

            That's a thread jack, if I ever did see one.

          • Proof_Positive

            I was calling Party of ADD on his bullsh*t claim, just like you get called on all your drivel. Asking you to substantiate what you post is not a "thread jack", mind numbingly stupid and mind numbingly dishonest troll!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            In the process of imagining you were challenging me, you attempted to thread jack this post, as you are now.

            Nobody cares about you beyond pointing out how you are afraid to admit you have been proven wrong.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Poor pathetic Party of ADD! He wants to infer from one commenter that "most conservatives play the race card", but I have given him twice as many examples of liberals doing it and asked him to back up his mindless assertions about the 2008 race, but he is all hat and no cattle.

            No one has proven me wrong, particularly not a lightweight like you, Helium Boy!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            Helium Boy? Ha ha ha ha ha! You are really enraged with your anger over the fact that I have wiped the floor with you on this matter.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            You haven't even found your own arse with both hands to wipe it. You are delusional if you think a twerp like you could get me angry over such patent nonsense and pap, or that you have proven anything, because quite frankly, you haven't answered a single one of my questions. Must be your ADD. I certainly feel sorry for you (and your Mother) but I'm much closer to breaking out laughing over your stupidity than anything else!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            Ha ha ha ha!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            I think the reason why some people might think you are another one of Hannitized's sock puppets, (and he has more than one) is that he is always quick to congratulate himself on his imaginary victories and praise himself for his nonexistent intelligence. You sound exactly like him.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            So am I ellinas1, or Hannitized? Can you psycho's make up your mind please?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            It's either your abysmal reading skills or your inability to remember things from one moment to the next. I never said you were ellinas or Hannitized. I said you "sound exactly like him." I know one of those words has three syllables, but maybe you could find a third grader to help you decipher them? Which part of "sound like him" didn't you understand?

            "Can you psycho's (sic) make up your mind please?"

            Gee, ADD! You even have the same bad case of apostrophobia that Hannitized has! What are the odds?

          • di_da_is_alpha

            Proof,

            little larry and this mr. ed have a lot of similar traits in their posts, and the time frame that each one posts in seems to jib with sock puppets, although I think little larry is probably a condom puppet, hence the 'little' adjective.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            That make sense! Especially considering we are posting on different threads at the same time.

            That's some real genius there!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/di_da_is_alpha di_da_is_alpha

            party in special ed,

            Not before I pointed it out to you, you weren't. little larry started posting the minute after my post went up. I noticed that you visited my comment pages right away, but didn't get back to me till after you created some "evidence". Heheheh

            I love how I can control you fools. If you do have multiple account you'll quit posting simultaneously in a day or two because it must be a lot of extra work to log in and out all the time, right?

            There's this dumbass over at Breitbart that does the same thing. He's got four accounts that I know of for sure, and he's pretty obvious. Not sure about you yet, but I'll take Proof's word over your's.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            "special ed" – I like it! I may have to "borrow" that sometime… Heh.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/SigFan SigFan

            I've actually started thinking of it as "Party of Erectile Dysfunction Drugs" since he seems to be a walking woody.

          • Proof_Positive

            Ah, but that presumes facts not in evidence, that is… that he has something that could be erect! Heh.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Ah, but that presumes facts not in evidence, that is… that he has something could be erect! Heh.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            The more I read of ADD, the more he sounds like Hanni.
            Same infantile logic, same witless assertions without facts, same careless misspellings and a fearful dread of where to place his apostrophes!

          • di_da_is_alpha

            Is 'Hanni' little larry? Now little larry isn't posting. As soon as he brags about simultaneous posts, larry takes a powder. Too much work, I imagine, logging in and out.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            All indications are that "Hanni" and "Larry" share the same computer, the same personality and the same damp, yellow stained pair of "boardies".
            Will_Hunt and Joe Sixpack both signed in from there as well.

            party_of ADD, who sounds, reasons, spells and punctuates like Hanni, but claims he's not Hanni, but seems very intent on giving cover to Hanni for his sock puppets, posts from a different IP address.

          • di_da_is_alpha

            Yeah, I'll figure out who's who in time. I 'followed' Beautiful Loser to this site a couple of days ago when breitbart was slow.

            Why is special ed accusing you of threadjacking? '? It started this thread with a most ridiculous statement . Doesn't it know the definition of 'playing the race card' ? Doesn't it realize that it's statement was, in fact, 'playing the race card' ?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/ACitizen1 A Citizen

            As everyone here knows, Hanni always bragged that he had three computer systems. Convenient when you're using three screen names and so insecure that he had to "like" his own comments..

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

            There is also the fact that "Hanni" is very much inclined to take the criticisms directed at him and use them as if they were his own. If I label him adolescent, for example, a compliment in his case and an exercise in rhetorical restraint in mine, its a foregone conclusion that he will start using the same description on others. If you challenge his lack of facts to support what he writes, you can be sure he will bray about "facts" or "fact-based" debate. In the end, he is not only not very bright, but he isn't particularly imaginative either.

          • di_da_is_alpha

            /// "……he is not only not very bright, but he isn't particularly imaginative either." ///

            I've heard that government cheese will do that to a sock puppet.

          • Proof_Positive

            B1: I've owned parakeets that were brighter.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

            And undoubtedly more worth listening to as well.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            And both were certifiable bird brains.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            I have tracked his comments to three different IP addresses…so far.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Enigma_Cypher Enigma_Cypher

          You should know about that.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

    I see you are changing the subject, as most conservatives do when they can't debate the facts on the issues they raise.

    The issue is about this black woman, who saved the white woman's farm. Why do y'all feel the need to raise the race issue on this? Is it because it's all you have? I think so!

    We saw how you played the race card all throughout the 2008 election.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

      "We saw how you played the race card all throughout the 2008 election. "
      You're smoking funny cigarettes, Party of ADD. In 2008 I criticized Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and even John McCain.
      I'm still waiting for you to show me where I played the "race" card. So, were you lying or just too moronic for words?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

        Which of the conservatives did you claim was a racist, as your side has of Barack Obama?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

          That's just it, numb nuts. I didn't criticize anyone because of their race or gender. That's the point. Which is just a little beyond your grasp!

    • Bat One

      The issue is about this black woman, who saved the white woman's farm. Why do y'all feel the need to raise the race issue on this?

      You make the point about "this BLACK woman" and "the WHITE woman" and then have the temerity – or stupidity, take your pick – to wonder why its an issue of race???

      Is your cognitive dysfunction terminal? Can you not see the ignorance splattered across the screen?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

    The SAB cast tends to focus on personal insults. Why do you have such an insecure need to avoid debate and give all of your undivided attention to your opponents personal lives?

    That is usually a sign of desperation.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

      The desperation you smell is your own. That's because you make bullsh*t statements you can't or won't back up. Avoiding debate? You're projecting again!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

        Ok, enough is enough. You are clearly demented.

        Of course I backed up my statements. You clearly have issues.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

          You just keep believing that and we'll all speak softly to you until the pretty nurse can increase your Thorazine drip!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

    Party of ADD wants to jump from one commenter to "most conservatives". I ask you, is he seriously that stupid?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

      So now that I provided the evidence, you are moving the goal posts? Why am I not surprised?

      • Son of Liberty

        provided what evidence? that you are incapable of answering FACTS without ad hominem ad nauseum?

        • party_of_edd

          I think we all can see you play the race card Son of a…..

          Why are you pretending otherwise?

          • Son of Liberty

            Right on schedule dear troll… :)
            ad hominem ad nauseum

          • party_of_edd

            If you are going to accuse people of racism, you better be prepared to be called on using the race card.

            And look up the word ad hominem. You don't seem to have a clear understanding of the words you are using. This also ignores that all you have been doing is ad hominem.

          • Son of Liberty

            Well at least you are trying.
            Ad hominem my dear trollie is anything that tries to switch the subject by calling attention to unrelated matters. One of the ad hominems is Ad Hominem abusive which you are addicted to.

            The arguement I presented previously laid out the facts:

            1) Shirley is telling a story of her struggle. At the part where she conveys her racist feelings (that she eventually conquered, good for her), the crowd goes cheering and approving.
            2) Mr. Jealous hisself agrees with my above point in his release: "…The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action…".
            3) NAACP hosted both Jeremiah Wright and Nation of Islam.
            In view of that NAACP has a problem with racism amonst some of its members.

            My arguement is the currect analyses of the situation. To which your reply is ad hominem ad nausum that it is a "race card", without addressing the actual argument.

            Spankie, spankie my dear fool. Would you like some more?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

            If you are going to accuse people of racism, you better be prepared to be called on using the race card.

            Bravo! I've been saying the very same thing about witless, flustered Democrats for years.

            Incidentally, ad hominem is two words, not one. And because the two word phrase is Latin, it should be italicized as I have demonstrated. It always helps to have a "clear understanding of the words you are using."

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            Why is Bat_One going on about ad hominem being two words when I clearly used it with two words? Is he blind on top of being a bat?

          • Bat One

            Quote:

            Look up the word ad hominem… [sic]

            DOLT!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            ADD lives up to his name! He said:
            "look up the word (singular) ad hominem."

            You really are moron, ADD!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

            Once again Proof is reduced to trivialities. Surprised? Don't be!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Lickspittle: That's a funny way of saying that party of ADD is mind numbingly stupid! Or is your ADD kicking in so that you did not notice this bit of triviality:
            "Why is Bat_One going on about ad hominem being two words when I clearly used it with two words? Is he blind on top of being a bat? " …after he had clearly stated it was "one word".

            No one expects you to be able to count as high as "two", Larry, so go back to your kiddie pool.

            You libtards certainly don't like to be corrected, yet you wallow in your ignorance and sloth and never improve yourselves!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            You really are moron, Lickspittle Larry! (but I repeat myself!)

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            Proof_positive, you have just reduced your own worth.

            Not really interested in debate with a guy who can't admit when he is mistaken.

          • Proof_Positive

            My worth is unchanged, dim witted one. And from what I've seen of you and your careless, witless ad hominems, I scarcely care what you think of me. It changes my "worth" not in the slightest. Or is "worth" yet another simple English word that you are totally clueless as to the meaning?

            Oh, and I do admit when I am mistaken. Actually, it happens so seldom that I quite look forward to the novelty of it! Unfortunately for you, it didn't happen here!
            But, thanks for playing!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        No ADDimwit, you point to one commenter to "prove" that most conservatives do it. I point to one liberal who does the same thing. You've "proven" nothing other than your reluctance and/or inability to back up the bullsh*t claims you make.
        But, thanks for playing!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

          I pointed to one, but reminded you that this post alone is rife with conservatives playing the race card.

          You seriously can't be this stupid. Is this an act?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Party of ADD: I'm still waiting for one of the "race cards played all throughout the 2008 election". So far you have zero, zip, nada. You seriously can't be this stupid AND dishonest! Is this an act?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            I have already given you an example of the race card the host of this site attempted to play on the audience.

            I can keep going. But why would I? You would pretend those examples don't exist just as well.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Is "2008" a concept you can't quite understand? You brought it up! Oh, that's right! Calling you on your bullsh*t is "thread jacking"! /sarcasm

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            "I have already given you an example of the race card the host of this site attempted to play on the audience"
            If you are referring to the bullsh*t link you provided, I suggest you go back and actually look at the link you Googled, moron. It proved nothing. As did you.

            BTW, Rob does not spell his name "Ken McCracken", like the link you provided.
            Our "host's" name is Rob. It's the little details that make you leftie morons look like morons, isn't it? And the post was about Jeremiah Wright's racism. Nothing was said about Jeremiah Wright's race. Or is "racism" yet another simple English word that you are clueless as to the meaning?

          • party_of_edd

            I have got this guy ProofPositive foaming at the mouth.

            So now you are trying to claim I said something about race vs. playing the "race card"?

            You are really struggling to reduce this down to dates and race instead of just admitting you were proved wrong.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            You are a legend in your own mind, ADD. What's the matter? No one ever call you on your bullsh*t before? You don't know how to handle it?
            Poor baby!
            As far as dates, you made the bullsh*t statement about 2008 that you can't back up.
            The only struggle I'm having is trying to make you back up anything you ass-ert.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            Poor baby? Oh man, does anyone know if this person I am debating is an adult or not?

            Now I am starting to question the person age, and sanity.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            You act like a petulant child, I treat you as one. Have you never heard of "cause and effect"? Poor baby!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            lolz. This person must be a kid, or a very old man.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Your perceptions are as inaccurate as everything else you post.
            Poor baby! Heh.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            I'm certain you are no older than 14.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            What a coincidence that my age and your IQ are the same number!

            (Now,that there's funny! I don't care who you are!)

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            :^/

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Congratulations, party of ADD! That's the most coherent thing you've said all night!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Lady_Attorney played the race card on a thread critical of Obama that had nothing to do with race. The fact that you revel in your ignorance, Party of ADD, and refuse to educate yourself speaks volumes about the Left.
            Since neither of you leftards can find your arse with both hands, the link is here: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/bad-decisions-wi…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd
          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            So, you found a reader blog that you think proves your point? What would you say about a leftie who used the word "Chinky" to describe persons of Asian descent? That was in the reader blogs too!

            And all you can find is articles about Jeremiah Wright? Your weak case just got weaker.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Really. Instead of just Googling a bunch of cr@p and flinging it against the wall, why don't you produce some of what you say you saw:
            "We saw how you played the race card all throughout the 2008 election."

            Or is the word "you" too big for you to comprehend? I posted over a thousand posts in 2008. Pick one.

            You're a bullsh*t artist, ADD. You make some drive by ad hominems and then declare victory. You cannot back up what you say, so you attack your opponent. That's lame.

            I laugh at your Google skills! (Or lack thereof!) I laugh at your pretense of victory. I laugh at your ADD! But, thanks for playing!

          • Kenny

            Again, this is not playing the race card. If someone says "Don't bring charges against black people…" it is not playing the race card to report that. Anymore than it would be the race card to report that someone in power claimed all blacks should be lynched.

            Given that the Reverand Wright is a racist, the only ones playing the race card are those that accuse his opponents of being racist. Anyone who still defends this man is either an incurable moron or a shameless liar.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        PS, there's no need to "move the goalposts" when guys like you never leave the bench!
        Toodles!

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

        Party_ of_ed: That's how they do it here. Move the goalposts, or make it about the person they debate with. I sugest you get with the program.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/goon48 goon48

          Anything to keep you guessing. :)

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            That too.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

          And Party of ADD gets his own cheerleader! Nice pom poms, ellinas!

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            Yes the pom poms are nice.
            You posted nothing to refute what I said. You make it about the person you debate with. Your answer proves my point.
            Now get with the program.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

            Why do conservatives hate it when lefties support each other, as they do?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            I've got no problem with lefties supporting each other! God knows that none of their arguments are capable of standing on their own!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

          Thank you ellinas1. I am figuring this out. After hearing Lady_Attourney talk about how they tried to contact her employers and brag about how she would lose her job, I am able to recognize the same type of patterns and behaviors here.

          • ellinas1

            Someone attempted to contact her employer? They done it again? Bastards!
            These felatio practitioners, stop at nothing in order to win a debate.
            What a shame.

    • Son of Liberty

      Actually Proof, you are not looking at the whole picture here.

      This troll makes a racist claim:
      "It's all [conservatives] have against American blacks."

      When he is shown with facts that it is DEMS who are RACISTS, he blames you and me for talking about racism. I suspect a mental disorder of some sort. Don't get too worked up about it. Ad hominem ad nauseum is the extend of his intellectual capabilities.

      • party_of_edd

        Ad hominem ad nauseum is the extend [sic] of his intellectual capabilities.

        The "extend" of my capabilities?

        You simply can't ask for more irony than that!

        • Son of Liberty

          more ad hominem ad nauseum…
          now, now… you should take more time before you log in and log out under a different profile to recommend yourself. you are looking too obvious my dear troll

          • party_of_edd

            Recommend myself?

          • Son of Liberty

            oh yes dear ad hominem ad nauseum (you don't mind that I call you that do you? it fits perfectly to describe you), that one next to your post appeared magically ;) .

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            "ad hominem ad nauseum" Very nice! Quite succinct and spot on!

          • Son of Liberty

            oh that rubbed you the wrong way didn't it trollie. You had to get lib-larry out. out of curiousity how many do you have? So let's count
            party_of_edd
            lib_larry
            is ellais there?

            amazing I tell you ;)

          • party_of_edd

            Haha. This site is full of crackpots. So now I am three people?

            Lib Larry really made you insecure about your efforts to play and use the race card, at every turn.

          • Son of Liberty

            my dear fool, you need to change your writing style when you change your profiles. One doesn't need ROB to trace your IP to tell you are the same person.

            P.S.:In the very least, try using different Ad hominiems, that might fool some… maybe

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

            Next time before you talk about me, spell my name/avatar correctly..

          • di_da_is_alpha

            Ok correctly, I'll remember to do that.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

            Wow! There are some really insecure people on this site.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Yeah. They sign in with multiple accounts and like their own posts! Oops! That was you, Lickspittle!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/goon48 goon48

            Hey any way can post them IP addresses again?

          • party_of_edd

            Yeah, let's post them IP's again.

  • Proof_Positive

    Click over to my post on bad decisions "dogging" Obama. There a good liberal accuses us of racism because "what other reason could there be for criticizing Obama?" I see your commenter and I call. Got anything else? Anything of substance??

    "We saw how you played the race card all throughout the 2008 election" Cool! Then it will be no trouble at all for you to provide us with a small sampling of what you saw! Please include links.

    Beuller? Beuller??

    • party_of_edd

      It wasn't hard. I simply Googled racism and Say Anything Blog and lots of things come up:
      http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_rev_jeremiah…

      And no, I am not going to click over to your post. You are not that interesting of a mind where anything you have written would be worth the time spent. Sorry, you are a dullard.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        Too bad your link doesn't prove what you say it did. Or did you think at all? Talk about dullards! You fit the bill, ADD!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

          Proof is going to deny that Rob was race baiting with that thread, and playing "the race card".

          Don't worry, he will never admit he is wrong, even though you wiped the floor with his @ss.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Lickspittle Larry, the most mind numbingly stupid person on the planet, did not even bother to click on your link, Party of ADD, or he might have seen that it wasn't Rob's post.
            Have you ever gotten anything right, Lickspittle?
            The @ss you need to wipe, Hanni, is your own!

          • Kenny

            So posting a video of the President's pastor is "race baiting"? How insanely dishonest.

            By that standard, reporting on anything negative a black man said is race baiting because it stirs up negative feelings against a person of color. Such a tactic is only meant to obscure debate and make all conservative people out to be racists.

            Shameful.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            Saying the pastor is racist is playing the race card and race baiting, especially when the only thing the right Reverend had said was talk about the hatred the white people have for blacks.

            I have proved Proof wrong with minimal effort, as if I needed to do more than ask him to review this very thread. Ha ha ha ha!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            You've been making stupid assertions since you got here and backing them up with nothing. For my ADD afflicted friend: You said that "most" conservatives play the race card. You said you saw it in 2008. All you have provided is weak anecdotal evidence which I countered with stronger anecdotal evidence.
            You haven't "proved" diddly squat. Ha ha ha ha! (I'm sorry! I try to mock you, but even your stupidity sounds stupider than most!)

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            But I can certainly understand you wanting to declare victory and run away from the assertions you cannot prove. It must be much easier for you to do that than to actually prove anything you've asserted here.

          • Kenny

            Saying that the pastor is racist isn't race baiting. Especially if the debate is over whether or not the pastor is a racist.

            It's like asserting that someone is a can of tuna, and then when someone else points out that the person is NOT a can of tuna, you simply assert that their objection is more proof that the person IS a can of tuna.

            By your own definition, used from wiki, this doesn't qualify as race carding or race baiting, yet you ignore your own criteria. Something bad was said about a black man! That's racist! Or race carding. Or racist… Did I say that one already? What about racist? While it may feel good to make a false assertion then claim that you've backed it up, you look like a big pile of fail to everyone else here.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Kenny: Leftists like ADD aren't interested in facts. He said something (mind numbingly stupid) he couldn't back up and spent the rest of the night trying to cover his rear. Nothing to see here!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        Wow. You're right! I Googled "racism" and "Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr." and got not one link, but 29 million of them! According to your "methodology", Party of ADD, MLK must be a much bigger racist!
        Sorry, you are a dullard

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

          Ha ha ha ha! You are really stretching, eh Armstrong?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            I posted over a thousand posts on my blog alone in 2008. I'm still waiting for you to back up your bullsh*t statement, ADD.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

      Starved for attention, eh sock puppet? Are you trying to lure someone to your site so that you can try and trace their IP? What happened, did you lose your admin rights for violating SAB terms and conditions?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        You are terminally stupid, Lickspittle. I was referring to a post I posted here on SAB's front page.

        The rest of your mindless drool is incoherent.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

          You lost your admit rights! Classic!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            "You lost your admit (sic) rights!" I'm glad you've never gotten your facts straight, Hanni/Lickspittle/Will/ Joe! I am stil an "admin" here, with "admin" rights, as well as an administrator at other sites (plural).
            And since my position as an administrator is something that has scarcely been discussed since the new comment system was turned on, Hanni/Lickspittle/Will/ Joe, your obsession with what admin rights I do or don't have sound more like the bitter, pathetic loser Hannitized. You've outed yourself more than once here, mind numbingly stupid and mind numbingly dishonest troll!

            Classic!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            You guys accuse everyone of being someone else. Is this entire pool of wingers crazy?

          • Proof_Positive

            Are Left wingers allergic to the truth? In the case of Hanni/Larry/Will/ and Joe, we caught him sockpuppeting. In response, rather than admit he got caught and go on with his life, he insists that everyone else is a sockpuppet.
            If you'll check, Looney Larry the Liberal has called quite a few people sock puppets (falsely) with absolutely no evidence. So much for your theory that right wingers are crazy. Hanni/Larry/Will and Joe all signed in from the same IP address.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            How do you know they are the same? Did you check their IP's? I doubt it.

            I see quite a few similarities between y'all. I think it's probably plausible that y'all have some sock puppets.

          • Proof_Positive

            "Did you check their IP's? I doubt it."
            Your ADD is kicking in again! Which part of "Hanni/Larry/Will and Joe all signed in from the same IP address " didn't you understand?
            How would I know that they were all the same, if I didn't check them?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            I think you are lying. You didn't check the IPs. I'll bet money on it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            Typical liberal! He has absolutely no evidence whatsoever, but states an adamant belief in his own assertion!
            If you bet money, you'd lose. But, then, Hanni/Larry/Will and Joe wouldn't be the only loser here!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            By the way, Whistler checked the IPs, too. Do you just want to send me the check for whatever you were going to bet? Make it out to "cash".

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            And if you, or Hanni or the little voices inside your head are having delusions about my admin rights, they're just fine, thank you very much!
            I have no idea what he was blathering on about earlier. It was incoherent even for him!

  • Son of Liberty

    It is unfortunate that you lack spine to debate me directly. But forgive for spanking you nonetheless:

    Playing race card means using one's race to discredit (ad hominiem) one's opponent. It is an empty insult that is used when the person is bankrupt intellectually. It does not include facts.

    I spanked you with facts mr. Ellianas1, I mean party of edd. The facts that you can not refute. And now you come back with a lame statement that implies conservatives are racists? Dear troll. Based on the situation here, you are the one that is using the lame race card.
    Spankie, spankie, come back for more…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

      So now I am Ellianas1? You have deep seeded mental issues.

      According to Wikipedia, you are wrong:

      "Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter.[citation needed] ".

      You, like so many others, play the race card.

      • Son of Liberty

        didn't I say party_of_ed… ;)
        ROB will you help us out here???

        My dear fool, now read slowly ok? Race card is an empty ad hominiem. My post provided both rational and facts, which you attacked with racial card accusation, without any refutal. That makes you a race card player my dear troll.
        And now we are back to where you were before – more ad hominem ad nauseum.
        Now I'll go take a nap, and you can continue repetition of the same thing.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

          Son of a……..you simply played the race card as did a host of others on this site.

          It's ok, just admit it and learn to be honest.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

            Save yourself the effort… and the embarrassment. Nobody on/in the Right gives a damn about being labeled a racist by some sputtering fool on the Left. Next to "But Bush…" its the second most common excuse for everything you say and do. It's a tedious cliche and nothing more. You could be reciting the Koran, or reading a Fruit Loops box for all anyone cares anymore.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/party_of_edd party_of_edd

            I didn't say anyone was racist, I said they were playing the race card. How stupid do you have to be to not know the difference?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

            "I said they were playing the race card. How stupid do you have to be to not know the difference? " Funny! Because when we ask you to back up your assertions with a little fact, you link to stories about race or racism and not about "playing the race card".
            How stupid (or liberal, but I repeat myself!) do you have to be to not know the difference?

          • Son of Liberty

            More ad hominem ad nauseum. You don't disappoint me dear trollie. Do you want a cracker Polly?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Proof_Positive Proof_Positive

        Party of ADD writes: You have deep seeded (sic) mental issues.

        Two words: One is "seated", the other is "projection". You've got more than a multiplex.

        But, thanks for playing!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

          proof positive, always making a distinction without a difference over eggcorn's. Shocker!

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

      Did I say conservatives are racists?

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

      Any time you wish to debat I am here and available.
      Stop beeing so paranoid. There is only one me, Ellinas1> Take some cool me downs, and stay off the meth.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/liberal_larry10 liberal_larry10

        Someone get Son of Liberty a glass of vodka with some Chlorpromazine and Quetiapine. This boy needs some help!

        Just how many voices are talking in this kids head?

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellinas1 ellinas1

          Paranoia is treatable.

      • Son of Libertyu

        my dear fool, I was addressing party of edd with the comment about debate.
        Which one is it?
        1) Are you admitting you are party of edd?
        2) You can not read?

        Judging by your ad nauseum empty claim that I haven't proved anything, it appears you bear a close resemblance to party of edd.

  • I H8 GOPers

    BIBLICAL SHOCKER! Andrew Brightboy points out the Bible says, "lie with a man as one lies with a woman." Is Barak Obama's Bible gay propaganda. We'll decide, you believe! Context shmontext.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

    Please feel free to eat a bucket of Sh*t and die, okay?

    You cannot prove either cowardice or bullying so as usual you are just urinating in your own mouth!

  • Vladtheimp

    The tape demonstrates there are racists in the NAACP – Big Scoop. The more important story is her background and how she landed her job immediately after successfully suing the AG Dep't. for racism, getting 13 million for a group representing some black farmers she started; she and she and her husband getting $150,000 each for "pain and suffering;" AG suddenly handing out over a $Billion to black farmers, and no one being interested. Why were the settlements so sudden? What measures of proof had to be offered to collect? How much money went to the trial lawyers for redistribution to the democrats? What did this have to do with her getting her job? Let's get into the real meat of this mess folks, and stop worrying about trivia.

  • Neiman

    Breitbart says the issue was to counter the mindless attacks of racism against the Tea Party movement, by showing that even within the NAACP there are racists and to call an entire organization racist on trumped up charges is wrong. Even he is not attacking Sherrod or calling for her execution like some here.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHBVyjYi3xU

    I don't know who Boehert is, but he is an idiot!

    • party_of_edd

      Breitbart harms innocent peoples lives in order to lash out about his issues.

      Conservatives have no shame and Breitbart is an idiot.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

    Why, because he exposes the evil within the Democrat Party and liberals everywhere?

    What should he be ashamed of, please give us details, not idiotic accusations?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lady_Attorney Lady_Attorney

      He is intellectually dishonest. What he does is no different than what the right accuses Michael Moore of doing. He edits his material to illustrate a point that would not be there if the material was see in context.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

        Isn't that what you might call a wholly subjective opinion on your part absent some specific facts to go with the charges? In this case, didn't he provide a video wherein Sherrod made the statements she was accused of making and several other videos that provided the full context? I don't see the dishonesty there if he offered full disclosure of the facts, with the other videos on his site surely that provided the full context.

        Remember now, I have defended Sherrod!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lady_Attorney Lady_Attorney

          California investigated ACORN and no wrongdoing was found because the tape was heavily edited. Same here. He released an edited clip which taken out of context to show racism when in fact the unedited version showed just the opposite.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/realitybasedbob realitybasedbob

            No only did they find no wrong doing, they found that ACORN did the right thing and notified the police.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            I do not want to be rude or unkind, but it seems to me that you are just too stupid to be believed. Didn't I say to YOU that I had defended Sherrod in several posts here at SAB? It was I, not you, that first mentioned here several times that other parts of the video not initially released, contained exculpatory evidence regarding a charge of racism; and in matter of fact, she was making a point to the audience about her past racist views (The audience applauded those racist views) and how this episode helped her move past them. So, why did you, as if needing to instruct me from your high and mighty position, include the idea she had intended something opposite? You liberals are just crap! Even when a person is on your side about a particular issue, you cannot stand it and act like petty children and attack them anyway.

            Now that you have made me good and angry – for Breitbart to omit other portions of a video that were not related to the point he was making, is NOT the same thing as editing them in order to hide evidence or to ignore her real intent. Why? He was making a point that despite the NAACP saying the Tea Party movement was racist because of a few (virtually zero) that their own members have also had racist beliefs, like Sherrod admitted to having; and that a few bad racist apples was no basis to judge the entire NAACP as being racist any more than were their lies about the Tea Party being racist in nature.

            The context was an NAACP member having suffered from racism and so only that part of the video was relevant to making his point as stated above, so why should he show any other parts of the video unrelated to his point? You are deliberately, with malice, attacking Breitbart's motives, while deliberately ignoring the point he was making about the NAACP being wrong to label the Tea Party as being racist while they lived in a racist glass house. But, you are a liberal and a lawyer, why would we expect you to have any regard for the truth at all.

            Lastly, you and that moron rbb like good little Obamites obfuscate by raising the ACORN issue, it having nothing to at all do with the matter at hand. Well, with your ADD, I should not expect either of you to stick to any point for more than micro-seconds, should I?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lady_Attorney Lady_Attorney

            You asked me to give examples of Breitbart's intellectual dishonesty. I gave examples of his intellectual dishonesty. ACORN is one of those examples. The Sherrod tape is one of those examples. He used a clip out of context to show that the NAACP was racist, but that's not what the tape actually showed. Editing a tape to make a false point is not relevance — that's propaganda. Since you choose to be deliberately obtuse and claim that this is all subjective (it's not), I walked you through it like a child. If you want to take offense, so be it. Conservatives are good at feighned indignation.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

            I wonder if you could tell us who gave the tape to Andrew. Apparently the tape was the property of the NAACP since that organization recorded the Sherrod speech. While we're on the subject, was Breitbart given the whole tape, or just the clip that started all this brouhaha? That question is more than a little relevant, since the NAACP whose tape it is, clearly didn't know what the entire contents consisted of, since they accused Breitbart and Fox News of "snookering" them…even though it was their tape to begin with.

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          • Kenny

            You claimed something was racist, didn't link it, and were overly broad.

            This instance was NOT dishonest, and so you have a strike against your credibility in claiming it is. A woman talked about how she refused to help a white man and the crowd cheered. That is racism. That she said that what she did is wrong does NOT mitigate that the crowd approved of her recount of her past racist thoughts. As he himself writes:

            " In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer. She describes how she is torn over how much she will choose to help him. And, she admits that she doesn’t do everything she can for him, because he is white. Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from “one of his own kind”. She refers him to a white lawyer.

            Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance."

            So where is the dishonesty? Why did he post it? Well, again from him… http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/07/19/vi…

            "But first the context:

            For the past week, Americans who consider themselves aligned with the Tea Party movement have suffered the indignity of being falsely labeled racist by the NAACP and their pro-bono publicity managers, the main stream media. The constant calls to “repudiate the racists from your ranks” have not only been insulting, but have also served to force a false standard upon America’s fastest-growing and most vibrant political movement that no other group could ever live up to nor would ever be asked to live up to.

            While the media has chosen to do the Democratic Party’s bidding in allowing for the NAACP to negatively and falsely brand the millions strong, loosely affiliated tea party phenomenon as “racist”, the moral indignation over race and racism has taken center stage in a summer of economic and political discontent.

            The NAACP, an undeniable weapon in the Democratic Party’s arsenal, was more than happy to exploit this nation’s sensitive racial schism for possible political gain. The Democratic Party and the NAACP, needless to say, are playing with fire.

            From the beginning of the Tea Party movement, the Left, its aiders and abettors at MSNBC, the NY Times and other reliable left of center propaganda venues, raised race as the driving force behind the movement, even though the evidence was never there. MSNBC even egregiously cut off a black protester’s head in a photograph of a man carrying a gun to a rally in order to discuss that anti-black racism was rearing its head in America."

            So he complained about the NAACP slandering an entire group as racist for having a few racist members. Then he showed members of the NAACP approving of racism. There's no lie there. With one audience member shouting out "That's right" and others laughing and clapping, this is EXACTLY what the NAACP accused the tea party of.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/batobe Bat One

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          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Neiman Neiman

            First, I did forget I asked you for examples and that request did justify your raising the ACORN matter, Sorry!

            No, using a portion of tape out of context to show that even in the NAACP there were people with racist views to counter their lies about the Tea Party movement was not dishonest, albeit it would have been better had he found something nearer in time and thus more relevant.

            Nonetheless, it was wholly unwarranted for you to ignore my aforementioned support for Sherrod, to instruct me on points I had made and with passion long before you and suffering some wrath by my fellow conservatives for my efforts

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  • Son of Liberty

    Interesting development. But it still doesn't explain the whole story. Consider NAACP statement from Mr. Jealous:

    "…Her actions were shameful. While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man.

    The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action…"

    So Mr. Jealous here points out that in the midst of the story (which at that point only shown the racist feelings) the crowd was going cheering (watch the video again) and it is shameful.

    Whether A B knew about the full tape is a different subject. Whether you believe him or not will probably depend on your political leanings. Fact nonetheless remains NAACP crowd was cheerfully approving at the example of the racist behavior, which Shirley later explained in detail.
    That is of course not surprising. Google for NAACP conference and the racist Jeremiah Write, or anti jewish/ anti-white Nation of Islam. They both held conferences and had the same response. Approval of racism at NAACP, which was A B's point to begin with. Check mate.

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  • truth harvestor

    What Breitbart did was the lowest of the low . a devious ,criminal , disgusting act of pollitical skullduggery .The lady involved was totally innocent , a pawn in the mudslinging mindset of the anarchists of the political process .
    And port doesn't have the decency to to acknowledge it , instead he falls into the trap exactly as breitbart devised it! Sherrod was telling a story that was meant to be inspiring and 'enlightening ' . a personal triump of hers that made her a better person . a road we all could travel . One she undertook years ago , not just yesterday! Brietbart chopped off the beginning of that speech and chopped off the end, and dangled the mangled words for all the rest of these mongrels to snap at! And port took the bait like the scandal seeker he is.
    The focus should be on breitbart , the trouble maker, not the rest of Washington that had to deal with the fake corpse breitbart threw in the road.

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      It's rather stupid to call an act criminal that obviously isn't. It's also foolish to call a lady an innocent when she isn't being accused of anything.

      But hey, manufactured outrage is always the best kind!

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    I do not know why comment here was initally rejected for being too long , 'Son of liberty' here filled twice the space I did and his rant aganist the NAACP was not rejected . Interesting. and SoL , you fell into the same trap port did ,the trap demon breitbrat laid out in the field and then ran away from as he watched the people who should have better things to do ,(fighting 2 wars, haggling about health care .and oil spills etc.) squirm and waste time over a phony story he manufactured . All he did was throw a monkey wrench in the gears and you guys act like he provided some service to America. Sherrod's speech was the one that made America a better place , I suggest Port provide it in total , breitbart stunts only make America weaker!

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