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Rob,

Didn’t she squander her “moral authority” and “relevance” during the Clinton Administration?  We’d thus care about her opinions why?

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

In Liberal Land it works kinda like this:

Bill Clinton - Vietnam + Draft Dodging War Protester = Standing up for values

John Kerry + Vietnam + War Protester = Hero

George W. Bush + National Guard Service + Fake Documents = AWOL Draft Dodger

Hillary Clinton + Marriage Certificate = Experience

Obama + Flowery Speech + Dark Skin Color + Same old Liberal Class Envy - Qualifications - Expirence = Candidate of “Hope”

John McCain + Vietnam + POW = War Monger

I am not a fan of of McCain but the Hypocrisy of the Left is so bright it’s blinding!!!!

BTW....I certainly hope nobody accuses me of being a “Racist” for pointing out that a white candidate with Obama’s lack of qualifications and his ability to speak in public wouldn’t have made it past Iowa.  I have black folks in my family and I was raised in a black neighborhood.

Trail hits it right on the head.

this conservative still isn’t voting for him

Who will you support then? Certainly not Clinton or Obama. Are you just going to stay at home on Nov. 2?

Trail mix, I agree with ALMOST everything you write...and I’m a Democrat.  I voted for Richardson in the primary.
But, you’re a little off on Kerry...he won three purple hearts, and the fact that he later protested ‘Nam doesn’t change that.  History has shown ‘Nam was a mistake, and if we can’t have honest discussions about the wisdom of our foreign policy, then we lose what makes us great.
Second, Bush’s Air Nat’l Guard service was largely a joke.
But, you’re absolutely right about the other stuff...especially Steinem’s comments on McCain.  What a worthless and ingrateful piece of (fill in the blank) she is.
She tried to point out a gender gap, and instead showed how ingrateful she is to those who have served, something she would never do...she also fails to mention that the majority of people eligible to vote in this country are WOMEN...it’s not the fault of sexism if people don’t want to vote for Hillary.
John McCain, for all his flaws, is a legit hero.  As Steinem also failed to mention, he refused to leave until all his fellow captives were freed, too.  That’s courage.

If loons like Steinem wanted to help Clinton, they would shut up.

This could work to his favor. The more McCain is attacked by the far left, the more conservative he looks by comparison! Maybe Jane Fonda could attack him? What a nice counterpoint that would make!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

History has shown ‘Nam was a mistake, and if we can’t have honest discussions about the wisdom of our foreign policy, then we lose what makes us great.

Interesting aside, cynicist.  Would you please explain exactly how history has ‘shown’ our involvement in Vietnam was a mistake?

America wasn’t founded so we could all become better.  America was founded so we could all become whatever we damn well please.

Regards…

The one big mistake in Vietnam was allowing LBJ to micromanage the war.  There are still people like this in the world now with misguided power and authority.  They think that they are the only ones who know it all.  John McCain’s military service goes far beyond refusing special treatment while held by the communists of North Vietnam who did not follow the Geneva Conventions.  Neither did the JAPS in WW II.

Communism is evil

cynicist - History has shown ‘Nam was a mistake...

History tells us that the US got into Vietnam to stop the spread of communism. That wasn’t a mistake.

The mistake was fighting the war by committee and then deciding to lose right as the Vietcong were about to sue for peace.

Second, Bush’s Air Nat’l Guard service was largely a joke.

Flying a plane that was known for blowing up in mid air was “largely a joke”?

That’s kind of an asshole thing to say there, cynicist.

Losing your wings because you failed to show up for the mandatory drug test and being AWOL now that’s an asshole kind of thing.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Losing the fecal material which passed for his mind, realitydenyingboob offers:

Losing your wings because you failed to show up for the mandatory drug test and being AWOL now that’s an asshole kind of thing.

If your buddy Dan Ra^ther could have proved any of the above, he’d still be at CBS helping to pound the last few nails into the coffin of their credibility. 

Some reality you have there, boob.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

That Old Trim was left in the marinade way too long.

http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-mccain-aevety-three-year-old.html

Interesting aside, cynicist.  Would you please explain exactly how history has ‘shown’ our involvement in Vietnam was a mistake?

We went into Nam without ever really intending to win the war. My old man and uncle used to tell me some lovely stories about Nam. The ROE were absolutely ridiculous. They’d lose 100 guys to take a strategic position, then leave, so the North Vietnamese could take it back, then repeat the process. They were forced to drop pamphlets 24 hours before bombing any target to let our lovely enemies allies I suppose, know about it.

Then we left in a fashion that let our enemies believe they had beaten us. Vietnam is used by Osama today to inspire his troops that they too can send the Great Satan packing.

As a result of Vietnam, we lost a great many troops for absolutely no reason. In the end, not only did we make our soldiers sacrifice their lives for nothing, but in our withdrawl, allowed the murders of millions. By withdrawing, not only did we legitimize the absolutely pathetic Viet Cong (who we now know we just struggling to make it through to our withdrawl), but we legitimized the anti-war left, who threw things at our returning troops and called them baby killers. Instead of movies about Vietnamese monsters who used children as bombs (like our enemies do today), we have propeganda tripe showing our soldiers in Nam as rapists and murderers (except for the excellent We Were Soldiers). The anti-war left is only as big as it is today because of their “successes” in Vietnam. And the radical Muslim movement is desperate to create their own Vietnam, where they see us fleeing from a much inferior enemy.

Load, the end result to Nam was the same as if we never got involved (perhaps even a little more severe), but if we hadn’t gotten involved, we wouldn’t see many of the challenges to our military might that we do today.

And our biggest mistake in Vietnam was not charging many people like Jane Fonda with outright treason, or people who pelted our soldiers with rocks with (at the very least) assault. The leftist anti-war faction was a violent anarchist movement that should’ve been definitive crushed, from the weathermen to Jane Fonda to the NLF.

Losing your wings because you failed to show up for the mandatory drug test and being AWOL now that’s an asshole kind of thing.

As opposed to fleeing to Canada to avoid the draft.

Communism is evil.”

And why can you make those judgments of the world.

Communism in Russia only killed an estimated 20 million people. Mao-tse-Sung only murdered an estimated fifty to sixty million people. They were only in the first stages of dictating their form of liberty and freedom. Come ‘on, give them another chance, I am sure the political murder rate will go down if we just get the leftist’s in this country to support them.

History has shown ‘Nam was a mistake

Cynicist:

History has also shown that when we left Vietnam before we achieved victory over 2,000,000 people where murdered.  Nobody likes war...I just like the consequences of losing are far greater.

Interesting aside, cynicist.  Would you please explain exactly how history has ‘shown’ our involvement in Vietnam was a mistake?

Nothing was gained by that war. What were we fighting for? Rubber plantations? Or did we think China would allow a thorn on their side?

Second, Bush’s Air Nat’l Guard service was largely a joke.

cyn, and how many fighter planes have you flown in or out of the guard?

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

Or did we think China would allow a thorn on their side?

Oh my, we must not do anything to upset the Chinese who continue to build their war machine on American technology [largely contributed by the Clintons]. /sarc

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

Did the Texas Air National Guard NOT have a mission to defend the continental US while Bush was in the guard?

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Nothing was gained by that war. What were we fighting for?

Except that it kept the rest of Southwest Asia from being inslaved by the Communists.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

rob - this conservative still isn’t voting for him

So you want the democrat candidate (Obama or Hillary) to win?  How does that help your conservatism.

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

Speaking for myself I’m not going to vote for a person because he’s less bad.

I realize that you don’t get everything you want in a candidate, but I’m not going to support someone that I think will harm the country.

My specific concern is McCain Leiberman.  How can you support someone who’s out to destroy the economy my children and yet to be born grandchildren will inherit. 

I won’t be a party to that.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Whistler:

My specific concern is McCain Leiberman.  How can you support someone who’s out to destroy the economy my children and yet to be born grandchildren will inherit.

And you think it’s less likely that some kind of extremist climate change legislation gets passed under Obama?

With McCain there’s at least some hope of moderation of his views, especially if he gets good economic advise.

With Obama, we are guaranteed probably the opposite.

The way I see it, we don’t get to pick our ideal candidates, we try and select the one that is closest to our ideals.  Sometimes, like in 1996, I didn’t vote for either candidate, but then there wasn’t an liberal who was actually to the left of Ted Kennedy, like Obama, running that time either.

There is no question there are real differences between the two candidates in this election, especially when you factor in the “excess baggage” of the party they belong to that they bring with them to their office.  A victory by Obama would rightfully be considered a victory for socialists in this country, and I think that needs to be factored into people’s decision making too.

It took me a while to find who posted:  “Second, Bush’s Air Nat’l Guard service was largely a joke.” How dare you.  cynicist, are you a pilot?  Try flying a single-seat turbojet aircraft.  The ANG had 5/15 minute response time for Air Defense during those years.  Captain Bush served his country and was honorably discharged.  Many others chickened out, drugged out, dropped out, and in general thought of themselves more than others.  As a result, 2 million cambodians, vietnamese and others were slaughtered by the communists.

Communism is evil

A victory by Obama would rightfully be considered a victory for socialists in this country, and I think that needs to be factored into people’s decision making too.

Amen to that!!  Especially if the democrats control Congress.  Issues that the McCain naysayers may not be focusing on are:

. National Security - McCain wins handedly over Obams and Hillary both anti-war appeasers.

. 2nd amendment - Again McCain; Hillary is a know anti-gun advocate and I suspect Obama is the same.

. 1st amendment - McCain is a question of this primarily because of the McCain/Feingold campaign reform laws however the broad and general programs attempting to suppress Christianity, speech freedoms in our universities and schools and conservative media are coming from the leftist supporters of Obama and Hillary.

. National health - not sure about McCain but Obama campaigns in support of national health and we know how Hillary feels about the subject.

There are other issues that can also be examined in this manner. 

Hey, I’m not a McCain fan either [voted for Fred in the Texas primary} but a non-vote for McCain is at least a half vote for the democratic candidate and I sure don’t want either of them as my president.  Instead of looking at McCain as the best of the worst, look at Hillary/Obama as the worse of the best and vote accordingly.

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong