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I have read the report and I don’t see any mention of 62% on page 4 of the report. Can you help me out here, Whistler?

Table 2 of Konisky’s study does not agree with your conclusions.  After polling 1,000 people, and when asked the following, the results are:

Thinking about environmental issue X, how much effort do you think the government should put into addressing this issue?

Preventing the loss of the world’s tropical rain forests?
A LOT MORE: 36% MORE: 23% [= 59%]

Reducing emissions that could contribute to global warming?
A LOT MORE:  38% MORE:  23% [= 61%]

Preserving damage to the Ozone Layer?
A LOT MORE:  35% MORE: 23% [= 58%]

Perhaps some politicians are addressing a real concern held by 55% or more of the public, rather than pandering.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

I"m copying this comment from another thread where PParents made the same intentional misstatement.

PParents:  Shame on you.  The first choice was “a lot more.” The second option which you merely said “more” is actually “a little bit more.”

Here’s the link for people to see it themselves.

Heck I think doing a little bit more research on switch grasses or putting in a few CFL’s in my house would probably be a good thing.

Come on PP, you don’t have to resort to misleading people, particularly when you’re going to get called on it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I have read the report and I don’t see any mention of 62% on page 4 of the report.

38% of respondents say we should do a lot more.  The strongest the rest said was a little more. 

So 100% less 38% would be 62%.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler:  In all of the pertinent questions from Table 2 relating to global issues, A LOT MORE was the largest percentile every time, followed by A LITTLE BIT MORE as the second largest. In each case, 55% or more.

There is no accurate way to conclude that a majority of the public is not concerned about global issues.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

No way are they ready for McCain’s extremist cap and trade scheme.

If you’re counting “a little bit more” as an excuse to double energy prices and impoverish millions of Americans (what would an 8% drop in GDP do?) you’re not quite rational.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler:  From your post:

according to this study, 62% of the people think we should do little or nothing…

From you on this thread:

So, 100% less 38% would be 62%

Then, that’s your conclusion and not the study’s?  Because, like puzzlefeet, I can’t find any statement in the report by Konsiky which says what you imply the study says.

Could you possibly have misread it?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Whistler, I think you’re using that word “extremist” a bit differently than it is normally used.  Obama is an extremist.  McCain has adopted what amounts to a middle-of-the road, pedestrian platform on global warming.  One that is in my opinion ill-advised, but one that will lose him votes from the right, while gaining almost no votes from the left.

Very ill advised any way you look at it.

McCain?  What does this have to do with McCain?

Or did you have him in mind when you created this post?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

The question is simple regarding the global warming scam; if you believe in it, how much of your standard of living are you willing to give up, in order to provide “a solution?”

Obama is an extremist.  McCain has adopted what amounts to a middle-of-the road, pedestrian platform on global warming.

I’m having a hard time figuring out how Obama is an extremist and McCain is not.

I consider the cap and trade thing to be extremist.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler, I’m sorry but I’m calling you on this one.  There was not 62% cited in the report by the authors.  You decided it was a conclusion by adding “ a little bit more” meaning in your mind, the government should stay out.

That is so dishonest on your part.  You know better. The report doesn’t say what you are claiming it’s authors are saying.  Far from it.

You’re better than this Whistler, but you blew on this one.  yuk!

38% said they should do a lot more.

The 62% constitute 23% who said we should do a BIT more, 21% that said we should do the same, 5% that say we should do a bit less, and 13% that said we should do a lot less. 

Add those together....

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler:  Listen to yourself!! 

38% say A LOT MORE, 23% say A LITTLE MORE. [61% do more]

5% say DO A LITTLE LESS, 13% say DO A LOT LESS. [18% do less]

And from that, you claim that the study says 62% say do nothing!!??

Now I have to agree with puzzlefeet.  This is not good, Whistler.

That’s the worst scholarship I’ve ever seen. You know you’re now defending the indefensible.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

I just noticed on the study on the entry right after the global warming one.

Preserving damage to the earth’s ozone layer

Why would you want to preserve any damage to the ozone layer?  But 35% of the voters (probably McCain supporters) are in favor of it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Now you’re being silly…

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Let me highlight the post which you should have read:

62% of the people think we should do little or nothing more about the issue.

I love quoting me.  Now I should have said a fair bit of those people actually would like to do less:  18%.

R E A D I N G I S A S K I L L Y O U S H O U L D H A V E !

Now to tell you the truth I think the issue is about 95% bullpoop but I can’t think of what we’re doing NOW that I would cut out.  AND I think we should build nuclear power plants and research switch grass and clean coal.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Now you’re being silly

True, I would have said they were Dem Voters but you would have called me on it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler:  Very disappointing stuff from a guy who is usually a class act.  Good night.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Huh?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The categories were: “A lot more”; “a little bit more”; “About the same”: “A little bit more”; and “a lot less”.

Whistler then writes: 

What’s even more shocking is that according to this study 62% of the people think we should do little or nothing more about the issue.

The category that he adds to get his magic 62% is “a little bit more”, but Whistler claims it is “do little”.  Gawd, how much disengenious could you get Whistler?

Puzzlefeet:  Exactly.  The study actually comes to the exact opposite conclusion than that which the author of this post claims.

The question range includes two questions on degrees of how much more the government should do.

The third question is neutral.

The remaining two questions refer to how much less the government should do.

Clearly, 55% - 61% of respondents think the government should do more to some degree.  18% think the government should do less to some degree.  The remainder are neutral.

The post should be rewritten or taken down.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

This is what I said:

What’s even more shocking is that according to this study 62% of the people think we should do little or nothing more about the issue.  (Link to the study, page 4)

Work on your reading comprehension P’s.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The study is crap anyway. Without clear definitions of “a little bit more” etc, it lacks any sort of reliability or significance.

The study is crap anyway. Without clear definitions of “a little bit more” etc, it lacks any sort of reliability or significance.

Exactly.  You’ll getting all worked about a poll that has questionable statistical value.  A poll should have specific direct statements to which those polled could respond as strongly agreeing, agreeing, neutral (don’t care), disagree, strongly disagree.  This method leaves out most of the quess work on how many favor or disfavor a particular item.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Again, Whistler you mischaracterize what the study says and then you continue to try and justify what you wrote:

What’s even more shocking is that according to this study 62% of the people think we should do little or nothing more about the issue.  (Link to the study, page 4)

Work on your reading comprehension P’s.

My reading comprehension is just fine, you leave out words so the study says something it doesn’t.  You intentionally left out the word “bit” so it says “little or nothing more”.  You should have written “little bit more or nothing more.”

Yours was a dishonest and disingenous reading of the study.  You should know better, but keep digging the hole Whistler.

Yours was a dishonest and disingenous reading of the study.  You should know better, but keep digging the hole Whistler.

Only a contentious person could read “a little or nothing more” to read that the author meant “absolutely nothing at all”. If someone says “I need all green or blue eyed people” to come forward, they mean all green eyed or all blue eyed people, not all blue eyed people and green people.

This is why Whistler’s mocking your reading comprehension. Compund sentences and statements (read: compund sentences and compound statements) are a staple of reading comprehension.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

What’s even more shocking is that according to this study 62% of the people think we should do little or nothing more about the issue.  (Link to the study, page 4)
I guess that a person can make up their own mind what “a little bit more means”…

Further, actually reading his post, in the very next sentence he repeats that people believe that we should do a “little bit more"…

The dishonesty isn’t on Whistler here.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Kenney:  NO WHERE in the U of Mo study does it say or suggest that 62% of the people think we should do little or nothing.

A LOT MORE (38%) + A LITTLE BIT MORE (23%) adds up to ‘do a little or a lot’ at 61%

A LITTLE LESS (5%) + DO A LOT LESS (13%) adds up to ‘do little or nothing’ at 18%.

Puzzlefeet called it right at the beginning.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

There is a huge difference between doing a lot more (something McCain is proposing) and doing a “little bit more.”

Lumping them together to make a case for McCain’s stupidity is wrong.

I can understand why Clinton and Obama are for it.  They’re fighting for that 38% that want a lot more.

It makes no sense for McCain to do the same.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Kenny, please point out where I said anything like what your wrote:

Only a contentious person could read “a little or nothing more” to read that the author meant “absolutely nothing at all”.

I never indicated that the author meant “absolutely nothing at all.” It is Whistler who mischaraterized the study and reworded the language used by the author to suit his needs.

Nice try Whistler,but your credibility has hit an all time low and to keep repeating the same mischaracterization over and over again won’t make it right.  But you just keep on digging.

What a bunch of hooey.  You’re saying that I said little or nothing more when I should have said a little bit or nothing more I was misleading the readers.

I don’t see a bit of difference between the two.

I don’t see a little bit of difference between the two.

Nice try puzzled.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

There is a difference and you know it.  It is not what the author said at all.  You relied on a mischaracterization of the authors words to support your contention.  You misused his words intentionally to get to the conclusion you wanted.

That is what their chart said Puzzled. 

Readers go ahead and click on the link and see for yourself. 

Puzzled’s lost it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Kenney:  NO WHERE in the U of Mo study does it say or suggest that 62% of the people think we should do little or nothing.

If you add the people who want to do a little more and the people who want to do nothing more and the people who want to do less, it comes to 62%. Thus, 62% want us to do little to nothing more about global warming. This has been explained repeatedly. You’re not a stupid person, so you’re just being deliberately thick.

I never indicated that the author meant “absolutely nothing at all.” It is Whistler who mischaraterized the study and reworded the language used by the author to suit his needs.

You continue repeatedly lying about what Whistler said, despite me pointing out that he said “a little bit more”. You’re being dishonest Puzzled. So how about giving him the apology he’s deserved?

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Kenny, using that logic, you could just as easily run the study the other way around.

“ONLY 13% OF AMERICANS WANT THE GOVERMENT TO DO MUCH LESS TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING!”

Indeed, that headline would be closer to the truth.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Wrong again, Kenny, you make the same erroneous argument that Whistler does, “do little to nothing”. That is not what the study says nor what the categories say as well.

No apology will be forthcoming since Whistler mischaracterized the study just as you do now.

I’ve explained why what I said is the same as the study.

You keep saying I mischaracterized it without any explanation.

You’re a fool puzzle.

PParents the fact is that most people don’t want to do much more with global warming which contradicts what you said the public wants.  You’re pathetic.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

To put it another way all three candidates are saying that they want to do a LOT more to combat global warming.  Certainly John McCain’s cap and trade scheme would fall in that category.

Only 38% of the people are in favor of that, the rest (62% are not).

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

DR. Konisky’s study gave respondents a range of choices regarding how much the government should do in combating global warming.

The first two questions allowed respondents to say A LOT MORE or A LITTLE BIT MORE. 

The overwhelming majority of respondents [61%] chose one or the other of those two options.

A paltry 13% chose A LOT LESS.

By your parsing of his data, you created a false outcome that suited your inent.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

But the debate is about whether or not we should do a lot more. 

62% of the people disagree with that, at least in his study.

Are you this dense in real life?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

A Truthful headline would have read:

61% OF AMERICANS FAVOR DOING SOMETHING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING.”

And, before you wander off into aother mine-field, I think, and have always thought, that Global Warming was and is a colossal hoax!  I am disappointed that NcCain has jumped on that bandwagon. 

But more important, I am alarmed and disheartened by the REAL results from Kontisky’s study - as you should have been. Why that many people [61%] want the government to do anything is beyond me.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

That may be what YOUR debate is about, but that is NOT what Konitsky’s study is about.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

That might be true, but as I pointed out in my post that would include doing little things.

There is no mandate for what McCain is pushing.  The only ones that are for that kind of thing are the 38% which are probably hard core democrats.  So it makes sense for Hillary and Obama to campaign about it in the primary season. 

McCain doing it is idiotic politically and scientifically AND ECONOMICALLY.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

By the way here is a poll that makes my point.

Democrats and Republicans agree that global warming is a serious problem, but 71% of Democrats say it should be one of the highest priorities for government leaders, compared to just 30% of Republicans.

Now I take the polls about the seriousness with a grain of salt since the media has been 100% lying about the issue.  In fact close to a majority of people say that we’re having a serious impact from global warming today, which just can’t be shown.

I realize that perception is reality in politics, but I absolutely have no respect for political leaders that buy into a lie in order to advance their careers.  That’s what Democrats do.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

All of that may be true, but you distorted Konitsky’s study as puzzlefeet rightly pointed out.

Kontisky’s data is 100% clear.  61% of Americans favor doing something.  18% do not.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

I’ve explained it many times PP how I did not distort it.  You’re a liar.

It’s also illuminating that you would take Puzzled’s support (a union thug, reliable far out leftie on here) support as a indication that I’m wrong.

Frankly if you knew anything you’d realize that more likely than not she’s merely twisting my tail for enjoyment.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler:  READ CAREFULLY:

I AGREE with your view that Global Warming is a dangerous hoax.

I DISAGREE with your blatant distortion of Konitsky’s study to advance your view.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

In any circumstance I could be in error. But lie? Never.

That kind of accusation is not typical of you, but then neither is your distorted post.

I know nothing of or about puzzlefeet. I only know that he/she/it correctly called you on this.

What you did was wrong.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Pparets and Whistler: Both of you are decent gentlemen. Neither or you have any patteern of lying or deliberately distorting facts to your advantage. You are both honorable men and when such a situation occurs, in 99.999999% of the cases it is simply a matter of honest misundertsandings of what the other person was saying. We would all, me too, be better off and make more progress by asking if the other person meant this or that, before reacting at length.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Once more moron since you don’t get it.  I said that 62% of the people are in favor of doing little or nothing more to combat global warming.  The only thing you could quibble with is that 18% of the people would actually want to do less. 

I fail to see that changes the point of my post.

Immediately after that I discussed what a “little bit more” might mean.

To say that I distorted the study is a lie, you keep saying it even after I’ve explained it.  That makes you a liar. 

It’s quite simple.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Indeed, that headline would be closer to the truth.

You know, Whistler’s headline would’ve been more accurate if he said “62% of citizens want the government to do little to nothing more, or less, to fight global warming”.

I tire of you PParets. You just keep repeating yourself, even though you were proved wrong.

Proof by asserion.

Wrong again, Kenny, you make the same erroneous argument that Whistler does, “do little to nothing”. That is not what the study says nor what the categories say as well.

And that’s not what Whistler said. You’re a douchebag Puzzle, and apparently completely incapable of rational thought. ONCE MORE, from Whistler’s article:

I guess that a person can make up their own mind what “a little bit more means”

So, AGAIN, he clearly says that the study category was a “little bit more”. As I pointed out to you, since you suck at English and all, Whistler never said anything else. Since you’re a completely buffoon who has NO reading comprehension, you are unable to understand complex sentences and statements. Damn, you’re stupid.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.