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Friday, March 30, 2007

Giuliani To Get Swiftboat-Like Dissent From New York Firefighters?

It seems there’s an effort afoot:

NEW YORK - Rudy Giuliani’s White House aspirations are inescapably tied to Sept. 11, 2001 — for better and for worse.

While the former mayor of the nation’s largest city was widely lionized for his post-9/11 leadership — “Churchillian” was one adjective, “America’s mayor” was
Oprah Winfrey’s assessment — city firefighters and their families are renewing their attacks on him for his performance before and after the terrorist attack.

“If Rudolph Giuliani was running on anything but 9/11, I would not speak out,” said Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son was among the 343 FDNY members killed in the terrorist attack. “If he ran on cleaning up Times Square, getting rid of squeegee men, lowering crime — that’s indisputable.

“But when he runs on 9/11, I want the American people to know he was part of the problem.”

Such comments contradict Giuliani’s post-Sept. 11 profile as a hero and symbol of the city’s resilience — the steadfast leader who calmed the nerves of a rattled nation. But as the presidential campaign intensifies, criticisms of his 2001 performance are resurfacing.

Giuliani, the leader in polls of Republican voters for his party’s nomination, has been faulted on two major issues:

• His administration’s failure to provide the World Trade Center’s first responders with adequate radios, a long-standing complaint from relatives of the firefighters killed when the twin towers collapsed. The Sept. 11 Commission noted the firefighters at the World Trade Center were using the same ineffective radios employed by the first responders to the 1993 terrorist attack on the trade center.

Regenhard, at a 2004 commission hearing in Manhattan, screamed at Giuliani, “My son was murdered because of your incompetence!” The hearing was a perfect example of the 9/11 duality: Commission members universally praised Giuliani at the same event.

• A November 2001 decision to step up removal of the massive rubble pile at ground zero. The firefighters were angered when the then-mayor reduced their numbers among the group searching for remains of their lost “brothers,” focusing instead on what they derided as a “scoop and dump” approach. Giuliani agreed to increase the number of firefighters at ground zero just days after ordering the cutback.

More than 5 1/2 years later, body parts are still turning up in the trade center site.

I’m not sure if these are valid criticisms or not.  For me, the radio issue is the more compelling of the two.  I’m sympathetic to firefighters wanting to spend more time finding the remains of their lost colleagues, but there were pragmatic reasons for getting the WTC mess cleaned up.

Regardless, if Giuliani succeeds in getting the GOP nod for 2008 expect this to be a major campaign issue, as his response to 9/11 is the biggest reason why he’s even being considered for the race to begin with.

Comments

Avatar for Beansox

You mean a UNION may not endorse a GOP candidate? Surely you jest.

Beansox on March 30, 2007 at 08:29 am
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If these are the worst mistakes Giuliani made with regards to 9/11, I’m willing to give him a pass. For being the largest terrorist attack on American soil (greater than Pearl Harbor), things could have gone far worse and these seem like relatively minor complaints in the grand scheme of things. Few other leaders have been faced with such a challenge so I think these criticisms aren’t exactly fair.

Andrew on March 30, 2007 at 08:33 am

So new radio’s would have kept the buildings from falling down?

Maybe they could have pulled the firefighters out earlier, on the other hand there were people that needed to be helped.  Do you just leave them to die?


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The Whistler on March 30, 2007 at 08:43 am

Atlantic Monthly ran a 3 or 4 part series on deconstructing 9/11 and it talked about how a bunch of the dead firefighters died looting jeans out of the stores in the bottom of the WTC. Apparently they found a firetruck packed to the gills with designer jeans underneath all the rubble. Makes me wonder how many people those firefighters could have saved if their avarice wasn’t the primary motovator at that point. I still don’t think Guiliani can base his entire platform around 9/11…

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 30, 2007 at 09:01 am

I still don’t think Guiliani can base his entire platform around 9/11…

I agree with you there Sparkie.

Simply being there and looking tough on camera isn’t a great reason to vote for anyone.  Back in 97 our hapless Mayor cried about the flood on an international press conference and actually improved her reputation. 

Of course the rest of her term in office doomed her to an early retirement in Florida.

But prior to that Rudy was an effective Mayor, the best New York’s seen in a long long time.


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The Whistler on March 30, 2007 at 09:23 am

TW

Simply being there and looking tough on camera isn’t a great reason to vote for anyone.  Back in 97 our hapless Mayor cried about the flood on an international press conference and actually improved her reputation.

Of course the rest of her term in office doomed her to an early retirement in Florida.

Even though I have only lived here in Providence for about 2.5 years, a little while back they had an effective mayor here too. He turned a dangerous city into a safe city. The only problem was he was a corrupt schmuck.

Cianci was indicted in April 2001 on federal criminal charges of racketeering, conspiracy, extortion, witness tampering, and mail fraud.

I think the same is true of Guiliani (corrupt schmuck). His best buddies have had $1.6M apartments taken away b/c of corruption. It’ll be interesting to see if the Dems are willing to out some corrupt union bosses in order to expose the extent of Guiliani’s corruption. I have no doubt there are plenty of skeletons in that closet.

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 30, 2007 at 09:39 am

Didn’t Guiliani put a lot of pressure on the Mob when he was US attorney?

If so I doubt that he’s in bed with those guys.


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The Whistler on March 30, 2007 at 09:42 am

TW

Bid rigging, graft, et al.

You bet your ass.

Boston, Providence, NYC, and Philly. Tons of people and money and corruption.

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 30, 2007 at 09:44 am

This guy was his buddy. Pleaded guilty to taking money. Remember all that? The guy was supposed to replace Tom Ridge.

Sparkie Arbuckle on March 30, 2007 at 09:46 am

Didn’t Guiliani put a lot of pressure on the Mob when he was US attorney?

Rudy did put away quite a few wise guys when he was US Attorney, but his real claim to fame, the actions that catapulted him into the Mayor’s chair and Gracie mansion was a string of convictions, all highly dubious, against Dennis Levine, Martin Seigel, Ivan Boesky, and finally the so-called “junk bond king” Michael Milken.  It was a thoroughly shameful episode in the history of American jurisprudence.


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Bat One on March 30, 2007 at 09:57 am

So new radio’s would have kept the buildings from falling down?

Radios that worked would have gotten the firefighters awaiting orders in the
second building out.

WOOF on March 30, 2007 at 10:09 am

Whistler:Look at this. Already. It will just ramp up from here.

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 1, 2007 at 10:59 am
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