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George “I can ruin an entire government agency if only given the time” Tenet won’t have to wiggle out of that one, because the media won’t hold his feet to the fire about the veracity of his book. It does not serve their purpose, and would damage their credibility by pointing out John Kerry like lies in doing so.

When I first started to read about this book in the press, my first thought was Tenet is trying to put distance between himself, his actions, and his culpability in our going to war.  The next question is why, and my only conclusion so far is he is going to run for office. He was raised in Queens New York, and may seek a senate seat from that state. After all they were willing to hire a fraudulent futures trading, terrorist sympathizing lying hag from Arkansas as a senator, how bad can a lying government bureaucrat be, even if he is from the CIA? He is working to make Bush look bad, so his heart must be in the right place. 

Bill Richardson was an unmitigated disaster as Ambassador to the UN, and as Sec. of Energy, under President Clinton. How ever his failures in those positions have not stopped him from becoming a governor of New Mexico, or running for president.

So what does Tenet have to do to become successful in his public life after working to make a circus of the CIA? Perhaps one might start with looking at “Tenet’s tenets”. A group of sophomoric character traits that he envy’s but doesn’t seem to poses. Number three is particularly useful, and may prove the only one he actually has; “Follow your heart and dare to take risks.” Well he seems to certainly have taken that tenet to heart. John Kerry followed his heart and took some calculated risks and got caught. Perhaps Tenet thinks he is smarter than Kerry? I don’t know of course, but it would not take much to out smart a senator from Massachusetts now would it?

Perhaps the first step in getting elected or maybe appointed to an office (should a democrat win next year) is to distance himself from Bush, and how hard is that? Tell some lies in a book that the literati are only too willing to print, and gain some ‘street cred’ with the MSM. That hurdle jumped, it on to the election of his choice. Perhaps we will see him hinting that he will be willing to testify before assorted House and Senate committees, further endearing himself and gaining favor and probably free press with the MSM. After all Bill Richardson has shown that you can be a complete disaster at one presidential appointment and end up running for election to the highest office in the land.

C.

P.S. I am sure we will now see the liberal blogs from North Dakota rushing to aid and abet the veracity of this tome that has them slobbering with canine like enthusiasm, as they are only too glad to jump on this band wagon and set aside that critical judgment they employ the selective use of. I can hardly wait.

Tenet was THE primary source of foreign intel available to President and Congress, and was THE primary government agent tasked with preventing attack against America. And yet 9/11 happened on his watch. He was THE head of the largest intel agency in the world, and he entirely failed in that one, simple task. Why is he not sitting his ass in jail? Why did he receive the highest civilian award for this example of absolute incompetence? Why is his book selling at 40% discount as of 18:00 today?

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When we compare Tenet’s former statements on Iraq and the Administration and those in his book, if I was on a Congressional Committee, I would say: “Comparing both set sof statements, it is clear that you either lied before or you lied in your book, so we have established by your own words that you are a liar, now Mr. Director we simply need to ask questions to establish what degree of liar you are!”

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Rob, I wouldn’t be calling people fat, when you are clearly 200 pounds over weight.

Well, it’s more like 75lbs given my body type, but you’re right.  I’m fat.

What a great contribution to the debate you’ve made.  But if you’re going to insult me because you’re angry about the reservations column I wrote maybe you could keep them on that thread instead of polluting the other areas of this site.

Just saying.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Yo Mama: Please explain to me how your attacks against Rob and your observations about excessive adipose tissue are at relevant to the topic of the thread? You don’t have to to, just a question!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

So andy is trolling under different usenames. How many different names is it using?

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So andy is trolling under different usenames.

2Hotel9, in the interest of keeping our dishonest and hysterical Indian visitors in order, the person who is trolling under different usernames would happen to be Janel.

2h9

Tenet was THE primary source of foreign intel available to President and Congress, and was THE primary government agent tasked with preventing attack against America. And yet 9/11 happened on his watch.

You just slander him because he’s Clinton appointed. He told ‘Aunt Jemimah’ about 9/11 before it happened and she, “can’t even recall” the meeting. He deserved the medal of honor he got. The Bush White House turned him into a scapegoat and slandered him. As has been pointed out in the past, the Bush admin ignored him and distrusted the CIA. That’s not Tenet’s fault.

Richard Perle was in France on that day

Perle on the other hand is a proven traitor. He was convicted of spying in the 70s for Israel. That should preclude him from ever stepping foot in the White House. He was probably in Paris, toasting to the imminent invasion of Iraq with Massud.

spark, I have been paying very close attention to all these shenanigans since the ‘70s. Tenet did not voice opposition to the invasion and toppling of Saddam. He was 100% in support of it. Until he was passed over for a plum Cabinet position, then he was all “America is an evil imperialistic warmongering hate-fest. Tenet told Clinton and then Bush that Iraq was developing WMDs. Simple fact. Tenet told Clinton and then Bush that Iraq was developing WMDs. Clinton has, since leaving office, repeatedly said Saddam had WMDs and connections to international terrorism. Why? Because George Tenet told him so, and showed him intel to that effect. These are the facts as they exist in the public record. Tenet can lie all he wants, his statements on GWoT are in the public domain, and we are going to deluge his lying ass with his own words.

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Thanks Lik! Does Janel, perchance, post from the same computer as andy? Or perhaps from the one in the other office they work in?

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Thanks Lik! Does Janel, perchance, post from the same computer as andy?

Janel is posting from the same Class B network address as Andy (meaning that they’re most likely in the same area), but not the same computer.

Don’t worry about it. Janel is just disgruntled because Rob dared to speak of what he saw. She’s a 36 year old woman who is immature enough to log in as “Yo Mama” and make fun of someone’s weight. That’s all you really need to know about her.

2h9
Still, the degree of distrust the Bush admin has for the CIA has caused serious problems in the GWOT from day one. While Tenet may be a liar, ignoring the CIA and sidelining them is retarded. Even more retarded is getting all your prewar intelligence (er, I mean intelligence criticism) from a policy office in the Pentagon - the same office where Massad’s document pilfering spies work.

spark, the Company was gutted by the provisions enacted by the Church Commission. The Clinton Admin further under cut them by stripping their overseas intel gathering operations through restricting what foreign nationals could be contracted to work for us. And yes, I totally distrust the CIA. They have a solid history of fucking over our allies, a long list of people who made the fatal mistake of believing anything the CIA ever said or promised. Ask the Hmong, Kurds, Lebanese, Rhade, etc etc.

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Cobar Towers, The bombings on the United States Embassy’s in Africa, and the USS Cole all took place on Tenet’s watch.

There is no doubt he lied, was utterly inept, and failed as the CIA chief, bringing shame on himself, his family, and his country. He should be made a pariah, and shunned by all for years, as Dwight Schrute shuns Andy Bernard.

C.

Chris,

Not to take anything away from what you say here, but 2H9 has an excellent point.

Our human intelligence capabilities were literally gutted by Democrats Frank Church, Jimmy Carter, and Carter’s Annapolis classmate, Stansfield Turner.  Our Intelligence Community has suffered a paucity of human intelligence ever since.  (The exception was the tenure of Bill Casey during Reagan’s presidency, but Casey kept much of his operations “off the books” and out of official channel, which made him a good deal more effective than either his predecessor or Tenet.)

As an example of our institutional over-reliance on technology, there is this excerpt from James Risen’s book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration:

She had probably done this a dozen times before. Modern digital technology had made clandestine communications with overseas agents seem routine. Back in the cold war, contacting a secret agent in Moscow or Beijing was a dangerous, labour-intensive process that could take days or even weeks. But by 2004, it was possible to send high-speed, encrypted messages directly and instantaneously from CIA headquarters to agents in the field who were equipped with small, covert personal communications devices. So the officer at CIA headquarters assigned to handle communications with the agency’s spies in Iran probably didn’t think twice when she began her latest download. With a few simple commands, she sent a secret data flow to one of the Iranian agents in the CIA’s spy network. Just as she had done so many times before.

But this time, the ease and speed of the technology betrayed her. The CIA officer had made a disastrous mistake. She had sent information to one Iranian agent that exposed an entire spy network; the data could be used to identify virtually every spy the CIA had inside Iran.

Mistake piled on mistake. As the CIA later learned, the Iranian who received the download was a double agent. The agent quickly turned the data over to Iranian security officials, and it enabled them to “roll up” the CIA’s network throughout Iran. CIA sources say that several of the Iranian agents were arrested and jailed, while the fates of some of the others is still unknown.

This espionage disaster, of course, was not reported. It left the CIA virtually blind in Iran, unable to provide any significant intelligence on one of the most critical issues facing the US - whether Tehran was about to go nuclear.

To be “fair” about it, intelligence successes are rarely reported.  Certainly far less than the failures.  But even so, Mr. Tenet appears to have a good deal to answer for.

It won’t happen, of course.  Instead we are left with the ridiculous 9-11 Commission report and its utterly frivolous recommendations, none of which are likely to improve our intelligence capabilities one iota.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

likwidshoe:  FYI Who cares if I attacked Rob for his weight under “Yo Mama.” I actually thought that it was quite funny .  Anyone who has read the other threads would have known it was me any way.  So why is it that you can hid under the name “likwidshoe?” At least we have the balls to use our real name.  Oh, and that is when the fun starts for you.  Obviously you track us from our e-mail addresses and IP.  Pathetic. Are you the web master?  How do you find all this stuff out?  You are like CSI: sanyanything blog!! I really don’t give a rat’s ass if you know who I am.  But what is good fo the goose is good for the gander. You can hide behide your screen names and call names, but we can’t? Hhmmm.  You can google yourself to death over there.  You can check out my class B connection.  For those of you wondering fools out there, no Andy and I don’t post from the same computer.  Oh, I know who he is and he probably knows me, but oh well. Keep investigating us. It’s kinda freaky.  But if I wake up in the middle of the night with a burning cross in my front yard and a bunch of hooligan’s dressed in white, I will know who they are.  Oh, and by the way, I am 35!!  Not 36!!!  Sheesh, don’t make me old before my time!  Respond and say what you like, I am done giving hits to this ridiculous site.  Happy Googling!!!!!

Bye. Don’t let the electronic door hit you on the way out.

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But if I wake up in the middle of the night with a burning cross in my front yard and a bunch of hooligan’s dressed in white, I will know who they are.  Oh, and by the way, I am 35!!  Not 36!!!

Thanks for the ad hominem attack. You can’t refute the arguments, so you imply that everyone who disagrees with you is in the Klan. Nice!
BTW, was 35 your IQ? I missed that part of the conversation…

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof,

You make ad hominem attacks all the time.  In fact you made one in that very post where you complain about them.  So stop your whining.

You make ad hominem attacks all the time.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

At least you admit you’re a hypocrite.

True! I do not suffer fools lightly! But generally they first must demonstrate that they are worthy of my contempt before I belittle them, Dove-boy!

Proof.  You’re such a fake.  Get a life.

Where you from anyway?

Tell you what, Squawk, Look through this thread (or any other) and see if you can find a single instance of of my treating Janel with any disrespect before she started spewing racist crap and baseless slander.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

At least you admit you’re a hypocrite.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

hawk? Meet andy. andy? Meet hawk.

You two racist morons ought to get along swimmingly.

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hawk? Meet andy. andy? Meet hawk.

You two racist morons ought to get along swimmingly.

Maybe Hawk’s first name is Moe…

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proofreader Emeritus is so far from hypocrite that he must access the Hubble Telescope Image Catalog just to see the region where hypocrite resides.

And I notice andy has started another wave of stupidity. His dialup must be working again.

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2H9: You’re too kind!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof,

I can go through any number of threads where you are the first to make an ad hominem attack against me or any other liberal. 

2Hotel9, where is your evidence that I am a racist. 

Anybody on this board who doesn’t preach to the choir has any number of insults cast at them.  And if anybody fights back you whine about being attacked.  Totally pathetic.

I can go through any number of threads where you are the first to make an ad hominem attack against me or any other liberal.

Let’s try for one first, so we don’t overtax your abilities!
But, for accuracy’s sake don’t pick one where I’ve had a prior encounter with a troll like you or Ronald Walter.  BRING IT ON!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

BTW, Hawk: If someone makes a stupid argument and I tell them their argument is stupid, that is NOT an ad hominem attack, even though it might be inferred from that that the person making the argument is indeed stupid!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Your ethnocentricity is rather evident. As is mine. Or or anyone else’s. Please tell us you are really not this stupid. At the least make a 1/2assed attempt to sway us.

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Written by Proof

Ron Walter is a troll-for-hire. It’s obvious that every time he uses the word ‘Republicans’ in quotes, somebody gives him a cookie!

Was that attacking his argument?

Your ethnocentricity is rather evident. As is mine. Or or anyone else’s.

That doesn’t even make sense.  Show me a post where I have made a statement that could in any way be considered racist.

Ron Walter is a troll-for-hire. It’s obvious that every time he uses the word ‘Republicans’ in quotes, somebody gives him a cookie!

Bzzzzz! No cigar! Ronald had proven himself numerous times before that that he was indeed a “troll-for-hire” who usually works the word Republican in “scare quotes” in every friggin’ post! His history is apparently longer than your attention span! I asked you 20 minutes ago: 

for accuracy’s sake don’t pick one where I’ve had a prior encounter with a troll like you or Ronald Walter

Currently, Ron Wa is two days overdue in backing up an obvious, stupid, wicked lie about the President. He is not man enough to back up his own Cut and Paste statements, so I will continue to heap scorn upon him until he does. Maybe even after, because he is such a stupid troll.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Try again, Squawk!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Hawk: In case you’ve forgotten (I mean, it WAS an hour an a half ago. And to access it you’d have to move one of your fingers ALL the way over to the mouse to see it!)

I do not suffer fools lightly! But generally they first must demonstrate that they are worthy of my contempt before I belittle them, Dove-boy!

I do not need to re-invent the wheel every time Ron pops up his whack-a-mole head!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

hawk, obfuscation is rather lame. Do you honestly think that no one here can interconnect comments from different threads? That what you say at any given point is totally divorced from every other thing you say?

Please.

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Proofreader Emeritus is so far from hypocrite that he must access the Hubble Telescope Image Catalog just to see the region where hypocrite resides.

Just to let you know, for a second there, I felt like Fred Thompson!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Have you got that Presidential glare?

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Fred Thompson’s steely glare will melt steel, mine will only soften brass!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Touche’! Have you noticed the ringing silence about George and his book. Me thinks he has perhaps trod upon his penis.

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I read a column about Georgie’s book. The response to it was: Thanks for saving us three hours and fifteen dollars!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)