Gay Men Cited For Trespassing After Kissing In Mormon Plaza

After my post yesterday about a gay couple ejected from a restaurant in Texas, this case involving a gay couple cited for misdemeanor trespassing after refusing to leave a Mormon plaza where they were kissing seems a bit suspect. Almost as though the point here is to act in a provocative manner in order to invite problems, at which point they can then claim to be victims.

SALT LAKE CITY – A gay couple say they were detained by security guards on a plaza owned by the Mormon church and later cited by police, claiming it stemmed from a kiss on the cheek.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said that the men became argumentative and refused to leave after being asked to stop their “inappropriate behavior.” The men say they were targeted because they are gay.
Matt Aune said he and his partner, Derek Jones, were walking home from a concert nearby on Thursday night, cutting through the plaza near the Salt Lake City Mormon temple.
Aune, 28, said he gave Jones, 25, a hug and kiss and that the two were then approached by a security guard, who asked them to leave, telling them they were being inappropriate and that public displays of affection aren’t allowed on the property. He said other guards arrived and the men were handcuffed.
“We asked what we were doing wrong,” Aune told The Associated Press.
Church spokeswoman Kim Farah said in a statement Friday that the men were “politely asked to stop engaging in inappropriate behavior — just as any other couple would have been.”
“They became argumentative and used profanity and refused to leave the property,” she said. The church did not immediately respond to a request for more comment.
Police later arrived and both men were cited with misdemeanor trespassing, Salt Lake City Police Sgt. Robin Snyder said.

I understand what these guys want. They want respect, or at least tolerance, for the fact that they’re gay. And I support that. But those things cut both ways. Just as gays want to be respected or tolerated, so do Mormons.
I’m sure that most gays wouldn’t appreciate a Mormon walking in to a gay club and preaching about homosexuality being a sin. And Mormons don’t appreciate displays of homosexual affection on their property. So why not have a little mutual respect?
We need more live and let live. If you want to be gay, then be gay. But don’t go seeking trouble with people you know disapprove of your lifestyle. And the same goes for people who disapprove of homosexuality. Your disapproval does not imply any sort of requirement for others to live as you think they should.

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  • http://Array Brent

    If it is true that they were seeking attention, we have to ask what has inspired people to believe that they can win a lawsuit when they get in trouble for refusing to leave a place that they have no inherent right to be? Past court decisions? Wacky laws passed by state legislatures and congress? The public schools propaganda? The media bias in favor of this lunacy?

  • Neiman

    We need more live and let live.

    Liberty must have some reasonable limits, as demanded by society as a whole, otherwise it is anarchy and destructive of individual freedom! The live and let live mantra is only and always promoted by people that are engaqed in some type of behavior they know to be wrong, either legally or morally and they are demanding the right to continue in that behavior without fear of arrest, a civil suit or even condemnation by their fellow human beings. No man or woman walking in accordance with the laws of God and man have any cause to raise the false banner of live and let live.

    Yet, as I too love individual liberty, without others dictating how I live my life, I can sympathize with the idea that the state is most often too heavy handed, while I must also demand that some behavior be made unlawful and I choose to encourage others to condemn and bring a sense of shame through their social interactions to those that use their liberty at the expense of my own.

    In this case, had the men involved simply stopped engaging in behavior offense to the mostly moral Mormon people in that area, there would have been, should have been no other actions. Thus, this appears more in-your-face homosexual militant behavior designed to force others opposing their lifestyle choice to submit to their will.

  • Buzz

    So I should have them arrested when they harass me at the front door?

    Now usually when I answer the door with a beer in my hand, and after 30 sec. of their bullshit I give the old cock-N-balls a through scratching while letting go a mighty belch, they get the idea and leave. Now some of the more persistent buggers have to hear “blow me” before they leave.

    I haven’t tried coming to the door with my hood on yet, I guess that would work also…. have to try that next time. (Thats a free one for proof)

  • Pilgrim

    This has all the earmarks of a set-up, especially after yesterday’s episode. They baited the Mormons and the Mormons bit, hook, line, and sinker.

    Aod, no, I don’t think for a moment this was an innocent act. It was deliberate.

    I agree with Rob – you wanna be gay, be gay. It’s nobody’s business. It BECOMES someone else’s business when you enter private property and behave in a manner that you know is offensive to the owners.

    These guys took their fight to the Mormons. They went to jail. Tough.

  • Kay

    They were doing it on purpose to cause trouble and everyone knows it. I would have expected nothing less than the same treatment for a heterosexual couple doing the same thing. Given the place it was, NOT appropriate re of ones’ sexual orientation. Smacks of being terribly immature if you ask me.

  • Brent

    I never once lit up a cigar in a non-smoking bar and, if I had done so, I would have expected to have been asked to leave and got forcibly kicked out if I didn’t.

    I also would expect people putting up a protest about smoking inside a bar that allows smoking to be asked to put up with it or leave. But anti-smoking is PC, so now the police say the bar can’t allow smoking, which is exactly analogous to what these people want. They want to openly break the rules of the Mormon Plaza and they want the police to beat up the Mormon Plaza owners if they aren’t allowed to do so.

  • Carol

    Buzzard… you are SUCH a classy guy.

  • Ozcar

    I won’t take these pansies seriously until they try swapping some spit in a mosque

  • Lioncourt

    You assholes would criticize Rosa Parks because she had perfectly good seats in the back of the bus.

  • robert108

    You assholes would criticize Rosa Parks because she had perfectly good seats in the back of the bus.

    You’re the only one who has said that, LC. Busted!

  • Lioncourt

    You’re the only one who has said that, LC. Busted!

    You are truly a moron.

  • robert108

    Your thoughts, LC; your words. I busted you, and all you have is a weak attempt at insult. Why do you have such a low opinion of Rosa?

  • Lioncourt

    Your thoughts, LC; your words. I busted you, and all you have is a weak attempt at insult. Why do you have such a low opinion of Rosa?

    Busted me on what? I stated tat if Rosa Parks was around today conservatives would defend the policies that would require her to sit at the back of the bus. This is a comparison to your treatment of gays.

    Are you really this stupid, don’t answer, I know the answer.

  • robert108

    LC: Again, no one here has suggested that but you. You pulled that thought out of your own mind, and tried to project it on your political opposition. It’s a typical weak-minded leftie tactic. Busted again!
    When you’re in a hole, LC, stop digging. Every time you try to lie your way out of your own bigoted thinking, you just expose yourself as another leftie, desperately playing the race card.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Busted me on what? I stated tat if Rosa Parks was around today conservatives would defend the policies that would require her to sit at the back of the bus. This is a comparison to your treatment of gays.

    Jim Crow laws were opposed by Republicans and promoted by Democrats.

    Believing that I can tell you to leave my property is NOT the same as supporting state sponsored discrimination, fool.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Jim Crow laws were opposed by Republicans and promoted by Democrats.

    And then came the Southern Strategy and the exodus of Dixiecrats.

    Thanks for that, BTW.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Good try, Kenny. Party label means little. All those southern dems were booted from the party after Civil Rights and those racists were welcomed by the republicans with open ARMS. Republicans will do anything to win, will embrace any filthy scum.

    Except for Thurmond they all went back into the party. None of them went to the Republicans. It takes amazing Chutzpah to lie in the face of the facts.

    Parasitic lying STD.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    And then came the Southern Strategy and the exodus of Dixiecrats.
    Thanks for that, BTW.

    Except for the fact that all the Dixiecrats except for Strom Thurmond went right back into the Democrat party. There was no “exodus”:

    (D)VA Harry F. Byrd, 1933-1965
    (D)VA A. Willis Robertson, 1946-1966
    (D)MS John C. Stennis, 1947-1989
    (D)MS James O. Eastland, 1941-1941, 1943-1978
    (D)LA Allen J. Ellender, 1937-1972
    (D)LA Russell B. Long, 1948-1987
    (D)OK Thomas Pryor Gore, 1906-1921, 1931-1937
    (D)AL J. Lister Hill, 1938-1969
    (D)AL John J. Sparkman, 1946-1979
    (D)FL Spessard Holland, 1946-1971
    (D)FL George Smathers, 1951-1969
    (D)SC Olin D. Johnston, 1945-1965
    (D,R)SC Strom Thurmond, 1954-1956, 1956-2003
    (D)AR John McClellan, 1943-1977
    (D)GA Richard B. Russell, Jr., 1933-1971
    (D)GA Herman E. Talmadge, 1957-1981
    (D)TN Herbert S. Walters, 1963-1964

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Good try, Kenny. Party label means little. All those southern dems were booted from the party after Civil Rights and those racists were welcomed by the republicans with open ARMS. Republicans will do anything to win, will embrace any filthy scum.

    The reason they called themselves democrats in the first place was because after the Great Depression (also caused by 30 years of republican rule) you couldn’t get elected dogcatcher if you called yourself a republican.

  • Fritz the Cat

    Getting back on topic…

    I’m gay and I agree with Rob — these two guys were not really within their rights to cause a scene. That said, I don’t necessarily think they were out looking for trouble, either. Believe it or not, most gay people just want to be left alone despite media portrayals of us as aggressive, contentious, whiny little troublemakers. My best guess would be that these two guys were more or less minding their own business but saw a misguided opportunity to “stand up for their rights” when they were approached by the security officer. They were obviously ignoring the idea of “private property,” which makes their argument a little flat, but I doubt this was some deliberate attempt for publicity.

    A couple years ago, my boyfriend and I were ejected from a “straight” bar for dancing together — normal, college kid type dancing, no bumping/grinding/kissing/etc. The bar was called Sapphire (not exactly the straightest name), and we went with some female friends on a Tuesday night when the bar was completely empty. It’s not like we wandered into The Roadhouse or somewhere equally inapproptiate.

    I handled the situation by writing a blog explaining what happened and I encouraged everyone to a) not frequent that bar anymore and b) repost the blog to as many people as possible. There was some talk of litigation, etc., but I recognized that it was not in my rights to force a private establishment to enforce a policy against their will by way of legal action. It is in my rights, however, to make their policies known.

    The happy ending is that the blog became a small phenomena in the community and soon I got a call from the bar owner with an apology and an assurance that the manager at the time had been removed from his position. The bar ended up closing a few months later. I hate to turn this into a story of free-market triumph, but it’s just an example of how effective the “live and let live” policy can be, especially if you understand how it works.

  • WOOFX

    A public easement?

    cutting through the plaza near the Salt Lake City Mormon temple.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    All of the above, I think.

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