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A bunch of French fops and idiotic twits yearning to wear women’s stockings and I’ll bet some female underpants and bras are next.

Isn’t this the very definition of girly men?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Nah, it’s just metrosexuality…

Like Neiman said...girly men.

Seriously, guys are the new girls.  Just look at some of these college kids down at the local bar.  Styled hair.  Designer clothes.

I’ll bet some of them take longer to get ready than their girlfriends do.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Superman wore panty hose. That guy is tougher than mortal men.

Sad story: I was Superman for Halloween when I was in kindergarten. When I came to the realization that blue pantyhose was a part of the outfit, I balked and threw a fit. I couldn’t go to school in pantyhose! My mother had other ideas though…

Ah C’mon fellas.

Does this really come as a surprise to anyone?

They’re French fer cripes sake.

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Joe Namath wore pantyhose.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Joe Namath wore pantyhose.

The guy also took some serious hits to the head.

Ever seen somebody wear skate pants?  That’s not much better than tights.

Heh, funny story but I did hear about some woman who brokeup with her boyfriend because he was too girly. He never had a single zit on his face, took waaaaay too much care of himself for a man, and she really just couldn’t handle the amount of maintenance he put on himself compared to her.

Superman wore panty hose.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Non-story. Fashions change over centuries. Look at the Romans, Greeks, Scots etc. Nothing wrong with the French, by the way, ya silly xenophobes.

Nothing wrong with the French, by the way, ya silly xenophobes.

“Xenophobes”? That’s funny coming from a jackass who uses the nickname of “calm down, USA”.

You what? Desiring a calmer, more co-operative relationship between America’s left and right is xenaphobic? Desiring a country to relax some of its excessively emotional patriotism is xenaphobic? That’s just weird.

Hm.. which is why you label people you disagree with xenophobes.

Classy.

Exactly what relationship is there between men in France crossdressing and politics in America? Got a snippy come back, cdu?

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It is a longstanding tactic of the left to accuse their opponents as “-phobic” (Islamophobic, homophobic, etc.) Since a phobia is an irrational fear, it follows that anyone who disagrees with me is irrational.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

No, Carrick, Move_Zig said something like: “well, they are French...” I’m tired of France-bashing from America, it’s lame beyond belief. Heh heh. Remember, um, blush with shame, Freedom Fries?

Um, hotel, why don’t you read likwid’s response to my post above? He calls me a xenophobe for having the name “calm down, USA.” I thought that was totally ridiculous, so I defended myself.

The French never disappoint. It’s no wonder their whole surrender monkey culture is running the white flag up and rolling over to radical Islam.

They just charged the two policeman who chased those kids that got fried because they were too stupid not to hide in what amounts to a huge electrical juction box. AFTER climbing a great big fence to get to it.

Nothing wrong with the French, by the way, ya silly xenophobes.

Yeah, right. They’re a culture of politically correct, waffling, whining, pantyhose wearing girly men. But...oh, well. They’re doomed as a nation anyway unless some leader over there shows some balls and stands up to Islam.

Probably have to be a woman, though. The men are too busy looking for metrosexual lingeree.

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No no no, proof, it’s not a “tactic”. I just think the way you talk about France is wrong. And it is irrational in this case, because of course the vast majority of French men don’t wear pantyhose, and if they did, so what? It’s just stupid, narrow-minded, irrelevant etc.

CDU, you’re taking this WAY too seriously.

Nothing wrong with poking a bit of fun at the French occasionally.  Or in your world, is it no longer OK to pick on any group other than conservative, white American?

In any case, I know many people on both sides of the aisle who are xenophobic to a degree, including some very left-leaning ones. The fact is you are labeling people who you disagree with as xenophobes, as if there is any real correlation.  That is stereotypical and certainly not the sort of banter one would expect of somebody is trying to “calm people down”.

In terms of the too much emotion on patriotism versus too little, I’d pick the former over the later, especially if you really mean “patriot” as opposed to zealot ideologue.  There are at least as many of the latter on the left as the right, but far fewer of the former.

Well, Pilgrim, the current political culture in France may be too politically correct, but France faces a huge social problem with uneducated, ghettoised Algerian second- and third-generation immigrants. It’s not an easy problem to solve. That’s no excuse for being anti-French. France is an amazing place, with an incredible art and culture. Surely you’re aware of this? They’ve seen more war on home soil in the 20th century than the US could possibly imagine. Can you blame them for their unwillingness to engage in war in Iraq? Or to further inflame the Islamist crisis? Give them some credit for what they have endured in the last century, okay?

First of all, Pilgrim: Accord the French the honor they deserve. It’s ”Cheese eating surrender monkeys”.

Secondly, cdU: Show one scintilla of evidence that the US shows an irrational fear towards France!
While you may not think it a tactic on your part, it is a frequently used cheap rhetorical trick of the left to undermine the arguments of their opponents as they (frequently) run out of ammunition.

The French are a tragic comedy. As our cultural “superiors”, they arrogantly refuse our help as they slowly surrender once again to the Islamic enemy within.

We could laugh or cry. We choose to laugh!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

They’ve seen more war on home soil in the 20th century than the US could possibly imagine.

It is a leap on your part to go from us mocking the French for their affectations to being “anti-French” as you have falsely accused!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof, what’s wrong with cheese? I don’t get it. Carrick, you’re right, maybe I am taking it too seriously. But if anyone says stuff that could be construed as anti-American (what on earth is anti-American about “calm down, USA,” incidentally) everyone would start crying and acting all hurt.

And of course it’s okay to pick on groups other than white conservative Americans. I called the thread xenophobic because it was a derisive caricature of an entire nation and culture. My patience for this “freedom fries” nonsense has worn thin since France’s people preferred not to jump into war with Iraq.

Male panty hose - bit like Long Johns, no?

I don’t like prejudice against guys for what they wear, make-up, dresses, whatever. Never have.

First of all, Pilgrim: Accord the French the honor they deserve. It’s ”Cheese eating surrender monkeys”.

I stand corrected, Proof. Thank you. I should have, of course, included the entire honorific.

Calm down - I well aware that the French offer a unique culture. My point is that they are unwilling to defend it, bowing to the dictates of political correctness instead.

And as far as being prejudiced against “guys for what they wear”, I’m not. I am, however, derisive of it. If they choose to make themselves a joke far be it for me not to laugh at it.

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That’s a little better, and I appreciate that compliment of the French after so much of the opposite lately. But I hope you realise that using the term “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” is far more laughable than sticking on some tights…

Only to somebody without a sense of humor.

Proof, what’s wrong with cheese?
Nothing. “Cheese eating, surrender monkey” is a phrase from “The Simpsons”, uttered by a Scottish character (A group we often mock for being stingy and wearing kilts!)

You say

France’s people preferred not to jump into war with Iraq.

BTW A handful of comments on a blog mocking Frenchmen in pantyhose is a far cry from “xenophobia”.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Heaping derision upon France is totally called for and deserved. France, with its socialist stupidity, has created ALL of its own problems.

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appreciate that compliment of the French after so much of the opposite lately.

Is that what I did? Compliment them? DAMN!!!! That wasn’t my intention. Recognizing that they have a unique culture and admiring or complimenting that culture are two far, far different things.

Sorry you misunderstood. No compliment intended. They’re NOT this country’s friends and have made that abundantly clear over and over again, with small bursts of gratitude for saving their sorry surrender monkey, er, cheese-eating surrender monkey asses a couple of times in the last century.

Complimentary? No. Disdainful? Yes. Xenophobic? Whatever.

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...And we hardly ever call them “Frogs” anymore!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Yea, frogs are useful, and good to eat.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

cdU: Here’s a question for you...Are the French and Europeans “xenophobic” when they mock the US and our President? Just wondering if there is a double standard or not…

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

The French people I know have been American citizens or are American citizens.  You may be surprised, but some of them actually disagree with what their government is doing at the time.  A nation’s government is a different thing than a nation’s people. Just look at how we sit here and debate about who is more popular in opinion and who is right/wrong. It’s the same anywhere else- unless you’re in Cuba...(which now makes me wonder why we don’t make fun of Cuba because that is the most socialist backwards country)

The idea of men wearing pantyhose was worth posting and it gave us all a few laughs at the expense of these girly Frenchmen. However, some of the people posting here get all excited about “xenophobia,” an intense fear or dislike of foreign people, their customs and culture, or foreign things. To those people please point out above wherein people said anything that approached a level of fear of the French - you cannot, because they do not exist. So, first get a sense of humor, it is fun to laugh at the French.

Next, to those defending the French Culture or people. 1. They have a long history and they have made many contributions to western culture, especially in the arts. 2. During both world wars in the past century there were many incredibly brave French partisans and soldiers that played a significant role in the dual defeats of Germany and even saving American lives. 3. Unfortunately, due to their incredible arrogance as a people, especially among their political leaders, they have stabbed America in the back on a host of occasions out of pure self interests and demonstrating a total lack of gratitude for the American role in saving their butts twice in the past century. 4. During the war on terror the French, Islamic Terrorists and the Democrat Party in the United States have been allies (an axis of evil) in trying to defeat President Bush and America, so that we will cease being a world power. It is suicidal for the world to turn their back on America, but the envy and jealousy of these three allies have created in them such a hate for America that they are willing to cut their own throats to bring about our defeat.

So we should laugh at the French when they engage in something so asinine as making pantyhose for men, like they did male dresses a few decades ago (Remember Donohue wearing dresses); and while we should never trust the French ever again, or for that matter rush to their aid, it isn’t out of fear, just loathing of people capable of such monumental ingratitude!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

My problem with the French is that they have gone out of their way to cause trouble for the Americans.

From what I can see something like 2/3rds of them hate the US.  We’re poking a bit of fun at them and who does CDU point fingers at.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

During both world wars in the past century there were many incredibly brave French partisans and soldiers that played a significant role in the dual defeats of Germany and even saving American lives.

Well they did mutiny in the first world war.

In the second world war there was like one division of Free French soldiers.  There were some partisans but I tend to discount that as a credit to the French people because there were more collaborators than partisans.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The French people I know have been American citizens or are American citizens.  You may be surprised, but some of them actually disagree with what their government is doing at the time.

Funny definition of “French People” but I fully trust that there are many pro-Americans in France.

However they are definitely in the minority so that doesn’t discount my disdain for the people of France as a whole.

On the other had if I meet a Frenchie I’ll be willing to give him the doubt about his attitude about the US.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The Whistler: You may well be right about the Resistance, especially WW-I, I may not be up to speed on that, but I was trying to be as generous as possible because I was going to give voice to my dislike for France in that same post. I guess I was trying to soften the blow.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Furthermore it was the French arrogance that helped lead us into WWII.

Their occupation of formally German lands after WW1 was brutal.  The French are great bullies when can get away with it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

After the troops mutinied I don’t think the French launched a serious offensive for the rest of the war.

I find it strange that the war was IN France and the French soldiers refused to fight while the Germans, British soldiers carried on.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The French troops mutinied because their High Command was getting them slaughtered for no military gain. I’d have done the same. The best men of France were lost during the Great War. Much the same effect happened to England and the low countries. France did take the brunt of it. Again in WWII the best men, leaders, teachers, engineers, etc, were killed off. What was left embraced socialism. And the rest is history. Those who did not turn to socialism in France after VE Day left, they went to the old colonial holdings, to America and Australia and South America, because they saw their beloved France as a rotting corpse and could not bear to live there any longer. Don’t believe me, ask the expat French over the age of 60. They will tell you. And they will cry at the shame of what has happened to their homeland.

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2Hotel9, I visited Verdun and a Ville out in the middle of “nowhere”.  Many leaders did not fully appreciate the devistating effectiveness of the machine gun!  They continued to launch full frontal assaults which led to stalemate of trench warfare.  The airplane and tank began to change that type of warfare.
Our own TRADOC command is now changine almost monthly to counter these “insurgent” tactics.  We are getting much smarter, much quicker, and will as long as adults are in charge.

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It goes without saying that I agree with the regulars here, many of whom have already stolen my thunder in saying that:

- The French have done many things that deserve derision (cowardice in battle, brutality in victory, collaboration with the enemy, e.g. Vichy and Oil-for-Food Iraq scandal) and of course, otherwise being complete weenies;

- that -phobic trick is just one of those psychopolitical BS maneuvers—never confuse richly deserved disgust for irrational fear;

- that the original post was all in good fun at the French expense.

In all fairness though, while the French have deserved what they are getting—good and hard—there is a side to the French that never gets out through the Leftist-controlled Press there, and here at home.

1) A lot of them secretly like and admire us, you just have to find them and understand the code.

2) If we were to judge the entire USA by the words and actions of William Benedict Arnold Rosenberg Clinton and Dan fake-but-accurate Rather, we’d all be Left-wing pinko’s—but we’re not.  Blame the MSM for this.

The Legionnaires, some of them even being French, have proven themselves brave in battle, even if their idiot St. Cyr officers and Leftist Parisian politicians are screwed up or screw them.

It may well be that the best of the French were slaughtered in WWI, since the generation of ‘they shall not pass’ was superseded by the brief WWII generation of sauve qui peut (run for your lives!)-- little more than speedbumps for Germans.

In any event, the cancer of socialism has eaten away most hopes of restored European virility.

PS what’s with this unresponsive script that I keep having to cancel and is causing the page to run incredibly slow until I do?  It’s not happening on other sites and I am using the latest version of Firefox.  It did the same thing with Mozilla.

Thanks.

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George Washington was obviously a girly-man because he wore hosiery.

This is basically a non-story. Your calling it cross-dressing only exposes your deeply rooted ethnocentrisms, and fundamental misunderstanding of sex and gender.

Sure, most of you back-off once this kind of thing is pointed out to you. You’ll defend yourself by saying the Frenchies really do deserve it, and besides, its fun to make fun of the French, and no-one’s getting harmed by it anyway, can’t you take a joke? But we are right to not waver in our criticism of you. What is said the first time is said because it is what you believe. You believe that in some fundamental way the French *are* girly-men. Its the way we compensate for our collective American feelings of inferiority to the French, our supposed lack of culture and refinement, our crude tastes in food and music, and our utter inability (as men you see) to compete with a Frenchman for the attentions of the ladies. So naturally, how to emasculate them? By calling them girly-men.

Supergreen, it was pretty much proved in the years between 1940 and 1945 that even French women would rather sleep with a manly man rather than a frenchie.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler I stand in awe of the intellect and wit of your response.

Supergreen: Your comments an analysis are incredibly silly, naive and a display of incredible ignorance.

1. If you look around a bit, I think you’ll discover we are no longer living in the 18th century and in the west men do not wear pantyhose, dresses or other undergarments normally associated with the female gender.
2. Most men in the world prefer to dress and behave in a masculine manner, because we like the differences between men and women and we don’t want to get in touch with our feminine side - while getting in touch with almost any part of a woman’s anatomy is of great intrest; quite frankly we even like women without long smelly armpit hair or hairy legs. Real men like real women that are soft, bodies with a minimum of hair or bulging muscles, and that are not trying to prove their own masculinity.
3. Inferiority to the French? In what way? If you prefer the tastes and culture of the French please move there, quite frankly I like America and believe we are mostly a good people and when a country or people get into trouble around the world, they don’t look to the damn French to bail them out, do they? Peope all over the world are seeking everything we have, food, arts, luxuries of every kind and they sneak in here and do whatever they can to get to America, except for the Muslims I don’t see people flocking to France.

To hell with it, why am I wasting my time answering such an anti-American jackass like you?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

It’s not just the French; Europe has become feminized to the point where they are afraid to stand up to anything or for anything.  They wait until Big Daddy(the US) steps in, and then criticize Big Daddy for being too violent and aggressive, just like a bunch of women criticize a real man who protects them.

"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

Most real men left France, through death or outmigration, decades ago. The few real men left in France are not wearing pantyhose, they trying to remove the Islamic extremists and anarchist nutjobs from their country. And their government is fighting tooth&nail to stop them from protecting the innocent citizens who get caught up in all that crap.

But go ahead stuporgreen, lets us hear some more of your lame assed bullshit. We never get tired of that.

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Actually we do need France! Yes we do!

1. If we want to learn how to retreat and surrender, they have lots of practice.
2. If we want to learn how to appease our enemies, again France is Number One, let’s hear it for Chirac.
3. If we want to learn how to do business with terrorist states and how to sell them advanced weapons systems to kill America soldiers, well we couldn’t do better than copy the French.
4. If we want to learn how to backstab our friends, those who risked their lives to save our butts - again the French win hands down.
5. They can teach us how to be a socialist state.

So, 2Hotel9, Robert108, The Whistler and others posting above let us be nice to the French they could teach us a lot of these kinds of things if we are ever interested.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Well I honestly hope that we don’t reverse the evolution of fashion, or even go forward for that matter.

From the ultimately constricting garments of the colonial age...to the next-to nothing garments of today, even those fashions make women sex objects. High heels on women were made to prevent them from running, and small feet were prized for achieving the same thing- as a way for men to control women.

At the same time, when men wore high heels, it was seen as a way of elevating their status, as well as the use of long wigs. You could tell a man’s wealth by the amount of things that we would consider ‘womanly’ today. Why is this? I really don’t remember. However, if this becomes the fashion, it would seem that we are going backwards, because with the tights and knee highs comes the robes and heels.

"calm down, USA” says, You what? Desiring a calmer, more co-operative relationship between America’s left and right is xenaphobic? Desiring a country to relax some of its excessively emotional patriotism is xenaphobic? That’s just weird.

What are you going on about? You’re just making shit up.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt on the definition of ”xenophobe”. The word means “A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.”

Telling someone to “calm down” is pretty gawddamn contemptuous.

If you had actually examined the possibilities, you would have seen how your comments can be construed as xenophobic.

supergreen said, Its the way we compensate for our collective American feelings of inferiority to the French, our supposed lack of culture and refinement, our crude tastes in food and music, and our utter inability (as men you see) to compete with a Frenchman for the attentions of the ladies. So naturally, how to emasculate them? By calling them girly-men.

That’s sad right there. You’ve got problems. Know this: you are speaking only for yourself here, not anybody else.

Oh.. please Supergreen… do continue.

This is entertaining.  Do you actually believe the drivel you spout, kinda like your very own personal version of Tom Tuttle from Tacoma?

I have to admit, you are audacious—or is it just unmitigated gall—to visit us and tell us what we are really thinking.

Maybe in your Terance-and-Philip world, folks actually believe the way you do, but my guess is, folks like that never made a positive contribution to freedom by knotting on a pair of boots and putting their lives on the line for it.

I’m sure you are exquisitely popular at the whine and cheese soirees discussing the very daring work of Piss Christ and its ilk.  Your lispings don’t carry too much weight on this push, I imagine.

So go right ahead and try to make us see the errors of our ways and convert us to your petroleum jelly lifestyle.

This oughta be fun.

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Move_Zig: Please don’t denigrate Tom Tuttle and place him in the same category as this guy, remember Tuttle eventually saw the light and bombed the hell out of that commie bridge!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

From the ultimately constricting garments of the colonial age...to the next-to nothing garments of today, even those fashions make women sex objects. Typical feminist drivel.  In a free society, no one is forced to wear anything; they wear what they choose. Women dress as sex objects to get power over men, and it works.  If it didn’t, they wouldn’t do it. High heels on women were made to prevent them from running, and small feet were prized for achieving the same thing- as a way for men to control women. More feminist drivel. Women do it today to be sexy.  You should read more about female self-esteem.

At the same time, when men wore high heels, it was seen as a way of elevating their status, as well as the use of long wigs. You could tell a man’s wealth by the amount of things that we would consider ‘womanly’ today. They weren’t considered “womanly” then; that’s the point you don’t seem to get. Why is this? I really don’t remember. However, if this becomes the fashion, it would seem that we are going backwards, because with the tights and knee highs comes the robes and heels. Only if you’re a girly man.

"One must regard his leftist opponent as a parent regards his recalcitrant child. Don’t give an inch in a debate with a leftist, and you’ll soon frustrate him to the point that he falls back to his default position. He’ll gainsay your every point. He’ll even resort to calling you names and accusing you of having suspect parentage.”

You have to realize that 10% of any population is gay. Their population is more in touch with this minority group and are less uncomfortable with expressing themselves.

Mo: What a load of crap! That 10% number has never been proven and is estimated as being closer to 1-3%. Further, if getting in touch with myself means touching other men or dressing like girls - you can have it Maureen!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

robert108, you DO realize the history of high heels, don’t you? Because I was simply recounting the history of them.

Obviously if you didn’t have a penis, you would see that.

And I guess you think I should wear stilettos and stay at home, so I can bend over for you when you get back from work with the boys, right?

La Guerre Est Finie

“One item U.S. military personnel in Iraq are asking for is pantyhose. Dating back to his days as a professional football player, Bart Starr said he wore pantyhose for warmth during games. Now, that might give some people pause, but pantyhose are one way that military personnel can protect themselves from pesky sand fleas”

You have to realize that 10% of any population is gay.

Oh what population?  Hamsters?  Tut tut.  More homo-ya-don’t propaganda.

If anyone wants to get in touch with my feminine side, they’ll have to call my girlfriend.

Nieman! 

That’s right, but I couldn’t resist the mental imagery.  I apologize if I have debased Tom’s legacy of waking up and kicking commie butt.

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Woof: There is a big difference between finding something to resist sand fleas so a man or woman can concentrate on combat than wearing them because the French are fops, pathetic little twits that want to get in touch with their feminine side.

Student Student: I don’t know why you are concerned about getting sodomized just because you might wear high heels, but as for me I like women in heels on the right occasions - of course I like truly femine women, not the hairy muscular ones we see all too often today.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Typical feminist drivel.  In a free society, no one is forced to wear anything; they wear what they choose. Women dress as sex objects to get power over men, and it works.  If it didn’t, they wouldn’t do it.

Exactly, I agree with you. Nobody is forced to wear anything. However, the norms are now that you are attractive if you wear next to nothing. Certainly “Friday night babes” is not about being modest. It’s about wearing next to nothing, and how attractive that is. You value women who are easy, so women choose to wear what is perceived at making them easy (aka looking good).

I could also say the same about tight jeans on men. The next step would actually be coming in wearing tight sweat pants...and then tights or stockings so that you can show off your testicles.

More feminist drivel. Women do it today to be sexy.  You should read more about female self-esteem.

Female self-esteem is derived from the people around the woman. A woman values her social life the same way a man’s work defines a man. If you read psychology, it’s not feminist drivel, but rather the findings of psychologists. Therefore, if a woman’s way to gain acceptance is to dress like a slut, she will do it. However, unlike you, I believe that dressing like a slut is not the proper thing to do. You can go to a strip club if you want to give a girl that kind of attention.

They weren’t considered “womanly” then; that’s the point you don’t seem to get.

I know they weren’t considered womanly then. However it’s rather interesting that it was a form of status then as I have stated before, but now it is considered as being ‘weak’ and ‘stupid’. How did the fashion jump from one sex to the other? And now in another form, it is seeking its way back to the male population.

At least bigots are easily identifiable. Homosexuals are the only group left where it’s still O.K. to discriminate against.

Nazi is to Jew as Conservative is to Gay.

Student Student: I don’t know why you are concerned about getting sodomized just because you might wear high heels, but as for me I like women in heels on the right occasions - of course I like truly femine women, not the hairy muscular ones we see all too often today.
Neiman on February 11, 2007 at

High heels are rather uncomfortable for me. I have narrow feet and most shoes are made for fat, wide women. Often I will take them off to find that my heels are bleeding through the socks or hose that I am wearing. To put it into perspective, I do buy them because they make me look attractive. However, once I find that they are uncomfortable in the long run, I quit wearing that particular pair. The problem comes when I’m at home and there is a special occasion that requires them- and I try to find a way around them, but mom says I need to wear them because I bought them. I actually had toe surgery earlier this year because they said I was flat footed and needed special shoes, thus causing my toenail to grow into my toe.

If you think about it, the reason for heels is that it makes your legs and birthing area look nice, while giving the appearance of perky breasts due to the woman’s stance. I’d say that would be a psychological reason for why they are preferred. I don’t think anything is chosen just because it is “nice” but because there is some underlying purpose for it.

I’d have to say, nobody has told me that I’m masculine. Swimming for over 15 years has not given me bulging muscles, and I do think if I had them, it would be unattractive. I’m afraid if you had muscles, you would not have the baby nurturing breasts, etc. There is actually a study that says the more you exercise, the more saggy your breasts become.

Hairy and masculine is definitely not something I want to see nurturing a baby.

What does discriminate mean?

1. To be aware of differences, to exercise judgment and taste.
2. To treat one person or group worse than others or better than others, usually because of a prejudice about race, ethnic group, age group, religion, or gender.
3. If a homosexual by their dress or behavior appears to be different, most people including conservatives will recognize that appearance or behavior. That is natural and quite human and that is discrimination.
4. If people have certain religious beliefs that condemn homosexuality as being contrary to those teachings, they would not be true to the faith if they did not declare their concern for the eternal fate of those engaging in homosexual conduct. That is discrimination, it is solely noticing or being aware of a unbiblical conduct. However, in the Christian faith they are taught to act in love towards everyone, even homosexuals and not to do anything deliberately to cause them harm, while at the same time not apoproving of that which God disapproves.
5. Even for people without particularly strong religious beliefs, they are usually aware of human conduct which clearly violates natural design and is harmful emotionally and physically to those involved directly or indirectly and/or to society as a whole. Again, it means they must discriminate between natural and unnatural behavior and they would obviously not engage in such behavior or feel comfortable around those that do. On the other hand, few people go out of their way to harm homosexuals in any way, shape, manner or form, while preserving their right to disagree with that lifestyle choice.

Since no one outside Islam today is suggesting or even thinking about incarcertaing people for homosexual behavior or killing them, you corralary between Nazis and Jews and Consevratives and Gays is absolute nonsense.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Student: Based on your last reply I don’t see any major difference between our outlook, even my having sympathy for anyone feeling they must wear something that is uncomfortable or painful.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Nazi is to Jew as Conservative is to Gay.

Whaaaat? 

You mean I could get a job sifting cans of Zyklon-B into homosexual-stuffed showers?  Man a machine gun post on a watch tower?  Stitch a line of kneeling homosexuals with 7.92 caliber bullets so they can fall into a ditch?

Of course I can’t, and why not? 

Because homosexuals arguably have the highest amount of societal protection they ever had in history, you freaking cheesedick. 

Your comparison is inapt, inaccurate and offensive.

I demand an apology… or.. I might cry.

[boo hoo!  (the sound of a sensitive Conservative male in touch with his feminine side)]

...for great justice

At least bigots are easily identifiable. Homosexuals are the only group left where it’s still O.K. to discriminate against.
Nazi is to Jew as Conservative is to Gay.

Unless you happen to be a gay Conservative, in which case you are treated like Jew in 1930’s Europe by the Liberals. 

That I find even more frightening.  If you are not ‘ideological pure’, you are demeaned and mocked.  Your privacy can be violated. 

Liberals only respect gays, minorities, and women, if they tow the Liberal party line.  The moment they voice dissent, they are treated like enemies.

The French, BTW, have one of the worst records when it comes to Anti-Semitism.  And why would we want to emulate a society that names a grade school; Karl Marx Elementary.  Marx himself was a virulent Anti-Semite.

Always remember, Hitler was a Leftist.  To deny that fact, is to deny history.

Also, calling a Conservative a Nazi is like calling Gandhi a warmonger.

Conservatives obviously get VERY stuck on symantics. Typical…

I can play that copy/past game too.

big·ot (bĭg’ət) pronunciation
n.

One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

[French, from Old French.]

WORD HISTORY Bigots may have more in common with God than one might think. Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase bi got, his borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression by God. Although this story is almost surely apocryphal, it is true that bigot was used by the French as a term of abuse for the Normans, but not in a religious sense. Later, however, the word, or very possibly a homonym, was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a Roman Catholic lay sisterhood. From the 15th century on Old French bigot meant “an excessively devoted or hypocritical person.” Bigot is first recorded in English in 1598 with the sense “a superstitious hypocrite.”

The conservative legislators would make it legal to kill gays if they could sneak it past a democratic house and senate.

Truth still holds:
Nazi is to Jew as Conservative is to Gay.
Argue it as you might but words and actions make it evident.

student student said, Obviously if you didn’t have a penis, you would see that.

And I guess you think I should wear stilettos and stay at home, so I can bend over for you when you get back from work with the boys, right?

Is this supposed to be parody? It’s hard to tell.

Mo said, Nazi is to Jew as Conservative is to Gay.

Yet more badly thought out parody.

The conservative legislators would make it legal to kill gays if they could sneak it past a democratic house and senate.

Mo is a loony toon living in a fantasy world. No way around it.

Don’t forget that Cheney’s daughter is gay, but she would be exempt from the killing due to association.

Don’t forget that Cheney’s daughter is gay, but she would be exempt from the killing due to association.

Awww...you poor victim.

Grow up.

Mo: Either provide documentary proof that conservatives would kill gays if they could pass the legislation or shut your cake hole, or perhaps in your case P*#%s hole!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.