France’s President Bans Burqa

A burqa is the head-to-toe rob some Muslim women are forced to wear to comply with certain interpretations of Islamic law. It has become an international symbol for the oppression and subjugation women face in many Islamic cultures. And French President Sarkozy doesn’t want them in his country any more.


I certainly agree with the sentiment. The idea of women being forced to wear burqa is offensive to me, and should be to any freedom-loving citizen of the world. I cannot imagine why any culture would ever make the head-to-toe covering of a woman a requirement. And not just a requirement, but something often enforced at the end of a bill club in the streets.
That being said, I wonder if bans like this don’t do more harm than good. While women shouldn’t be forced to wear burqa, if they want to wear one voluntarily (though I cannot fathom why anyone would) they should be allowed to. And I wonder if banning burqa don’t give the extremists in France and around the world another issue on which they can pretend to be victims.
I’d like to see the burqa tradition be ended, mostly for the oppression of women it represents even if some women wear them voluntarily. But I wonder if a better way to end the tradition isn’t to force the Muslims to end it but rather to keep leading by example. Keep exposing the middle east to our freedom, and then let them decide to throw off this silly custom themselves.

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  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    No thread on Burka’s is complete without the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Y-sw89qTY

    Must see youtube.

  • studakota

    The other morning, while doing early shopping, a good idea here in Phoenix, I turned a corner and there was, I assumed, but was not certain, a woman, wearing a, pitch black, Burqa. I was,taken aback, as I’d never seen an example of this religious garb, in person, before. I’ve thought about this occasion since then and have concluded the following. I applaud what Sarkozy has done. It took a lot of courage to do it. I ,also, do not believe that this theocratical symbol of gender intolerance belongs on the streets of Phoenix, or any city in the U.S.A. Other religious symbols, such as Turbans, head scarves, beards, robes, I’ll condone, but head to foot covering makes me wonder what the hell is under there. Among things which could easily be hidden under a Burqa are Machine guns, grenades, knives, Anthrax, body bombs, and fanatical, Jihadist, little people. Way too many for this person, or the police, to worry about. Wouldn’t this be great cover for a short bank robber? I am not alone when I say “We don’t need any more of this assimilation to your religions or thinking, instead, you need to assimilate to this countries customs, mores, habits, beliefs”. I wouldn’t even get through their airports were I carrying a cross, or bible . Let this crap continue and they’ll spend their Sundays protesting, and harassing you, in front of your church. Tearing down your Christmas decorations, tipping over crosses in cemeteries, will be next. Time to start pushing back sheeple.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Why limit fanaticism to religion?

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    Because it is a religion?

  • SigFan

    I agree that some would say they choose to wear a burqa, because to do so spares them from the consequences imposed on them by Sharia law. When I say free will choice though, that’s exactly what I mean, a free choice with no coercive motive. As an example, my mom grew up in a very traditional Italian home, where the women ALWAYS wore dresses, never pants. During the 60′s, when all the women in the neighborhood starting wearing pants and *GASP* bluejeans, my mom stuck to dresses. Not because anyone forced her to, in fact my dad encouraged her to get with the times, but because that was what her custom was and what she felt most comfortable in. Granted that is not as extreme as a burqa, and obviously had no religious or other coercive factor, but it was my mom’s choice. Not one that I necessarily agree with, but nevertheless her choice. That’s fine by me, where if my dad had tried to force her to dress one way or another, with or without the threat of some type of retribution, that would be wrong.

  • randompasserby

    there is a problem with the ‘if they want to wear it’ arguement.
    On one hand if it is a real, personal choice great. But look at the cultural matrix..
    Those that wear it now will tell you it’s their choice to wear it..what is NOT said is they were given a choice to wear it, or be beaten to a pulp. In that context, it’s still their choice, and the unsaid side is never seen. Give that loophole to the Most Tolerant Ones and they will take it.
    Ban the dang thing and be done with it.

    side rant
    but it really doesn’t matter. They don’t want to assimilate into western culture, they want to supplant it with their own. the west doesn’t have that dress code requirement for women – and to address WOOFs comments – does not force ALL women to wear it,or a variation thereof. All. Period. Dot. End. don’t wear it? get mained or killed, all the same to the Most Moral Ones.
    We must bow to their cultural sensitivities? bull. they want their cultural sensitivites pampered? go back to your culture. don’t change mine.
    /side rant

    this will backfire though. hopefully it provide a backlash that will wake up a few more folks in the Old World.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    The nuns, at least around here are out of the habit of wearing their habits.

    The big thing that woofie misses is that being a nun is something you voluntarily join, you aren’t forced into it.

    On the other hand in certain Muslim countries women have to wear burkas or they are stoned, raped or both.

    Finally Woofie can’t bear to put a picture of what a burka is because it would offend Obama’s sensibilities of never saying a bad thing about a Muslim extremist.

  • Bat One

    Like only one religion has fanatics

    WOOF,

    Why limit fanaticism to religion?

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  • Mickey

    They look like bee keepers at a funeral.

  • SigFan

    It would be good to see this custom disappear on it’s own, unless as Rob points out someone wants to wear the outfit of their own free will. I also can’t imagine why anyone would, but some traditions are inexplicable in all cultures. I think the French ban is probably only going to cause more outrage though by the Muslims and while I am not particularly inclined to care what outrages them, it might have been wiser to pick a more odious thing to ban, such as honor killings, or public floggings.

  • SigFan

    Perhaps Woof does not know the difference between a burqa and a hijab?

    I’m with you Whistler, it’s been ages since I’ve seen a nun in habit, but if they don’t wear it, I doubt anyone would rape them or stone them to death.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Like only one religion has fanatics

    And in Israel they are the fringe. In the Muslim world, the burqa demanders are the majority, with the backing of the state, in most cases.

    Not. The. Same.

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    Hijab should be harshly condemned, not outlawed.

    Freedom of expression means freedom of expression, even if that expression is distasteful to those around you. Conversely, as is the situation with Hijab, freedom of expression is also still freedom of expression, even if that expression is too restrictive for your taste, or the taste of the majority.

    On one hand if it is a real, personal choice great. But look at the cultural matrix..
    Those that wear it now will tell you it’s their choice to wear it..what is NOT said is they were given a choice to wear it, or be beaten to a pulp
    Ban the dang thing and be done with it.

    I’m not sure about you randompasserby, but I’m not of the opinion that my government should be in the business of determining which of it’s legal adult citizens are acting of their own free will.

    Western women in Hijab have options. They won’t be stoned if they abandon an oppressive culture in France. Mandating that they remove their Burqa tells the french people one thing:

    “You don’t have the governmentally upheld freedom to make that choice yourself.”

  • docdave

    As usual, the sick doggies comments are irrelevant.

  • Hannitized

    When was the last time someone was stoned in France???

    The Burqa does not represent the same thing in France, that it does in the ME.

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but Hijab is a head scarf, sometimes including a veil and modest clothing. A burqa on the other hand is head to toe coverage with amandatory face covering as well.

    Actually dude, I think the words you’re thinking of are khimar, or niqab.

    Hijab is arabic for “to cover”. It applies to any sort of Muslim modesty covering, including khimar and niqab.

  • Bat One

    It will be interesting to see if Mr. Sarkozy will be able to make a ban such as this stick, or whether the moral equivalence bureaucrats at EU headquarters in Brussels will try to override him.

  • Cass.Mastha

    I agree that western media portrays the woman as an object, more so a sex object – than a pious, moral, feeling human. That is what the burka is suppose to convey – a pious woman. Unfortunately – I can see the point of covering up. I can also see the point of hiding from onlookers, hiding weapons, and the burka being a moving prison.

    I am excited to read the study France is conducting on the burka.
    I am also opposed to the government enforcing a dress code.

    Let’s all go naked.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    I don’t know how WOOF always manages to find the right picture for the right occasion, I’m impressed.

  • http://wethenation.wordpress.com/ Muhammad Waqas Iqrar

    A rational Review of this Ban from non other than laddy from euorpeon soils.

    http://wethenation.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/sarkozy-the-naked-truth-a-different-perspective/

  • SigFan

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but Hijab is a head scarf, sometimes including a veil and modest clothing. A burqa on the other hand is head to toe coverage with amandatory face covering as well. While both may be required by Sharia, I don’t view the traditional Hijab, as pictured in Woof’s post up top as being nearly as oppresive as the Burqa. Again, it should be the woman’s free choice to wear or not, but I can’t see how the French banning this is going to change anything. What should be banned is extra-constitutional law such as Sharia. If it isn’t a part of the law of the land, it has no place.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    WOOF: Are you calling nuns “fanatics”? Or merely trying to distract from your earlier faux pas?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    WOOF cannot see the irony in comparing a relative few women who choose a particularly strict way of life and mode of dress (nuns) to the entire population of females in countries under sharia law.

  • TomTom

    So what? Can’t blame France..Ever seen a pretty Arab Muslim? This is just doing society a favor..That’s why martyrs wait to get to their HELL..so they can have 72 virgins.

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    .Ever seen a pretty Arab Muslim?

    Yes.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I’m not sure about you randompasserby, but I’m not of the opinion that my government should be in the business of determining which of it’s legal adult citizens are acting of their own free will.

    Sort of, but the hijab is a form of sharia and is often used by criminals to conceal their identities. It does present a danger to others.

    Western women in Hijab have options. They won’t be stoned if they abandon an oppressive culture in France.

    Except that they have been. Or stabbed. Or raped. Even non-Muslim women are facing problems in France from theMuslim hordes. Theo van Gogh comes to mind too. Honor killings are happening in the west, even if we wish they weren’t.

  • Bodhi

    That ought to guarantee some death to the French chants and nonsense from the wonderfully tolerant followers of Islam.

  • robert108

    Why limit fanaticism to religion?

    True. The militant atheists are fanatics, trying to stamp out all mention of God; the pro pot people are also fanatics, as are the homo marriage terrorists and those who would trample the rights of non smokers.
    We live in a world of leftie fanatics who want to impose govt control on the private sector, in the name of “fairness”.

  • WOOFX

    Like only one religion has fanatics

    ‘Sinful’ city buses stoned by ultra-Orthodox Jews

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Leave it to AV to be impressed by a semi-literate troll.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Maybe Woofie can provide us with some pictures of Catholic nuns or orthodox Jews being beaten because they aren’t wearing their costumes.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    On one hand if it is a real, personal choice great. But look at the cultural matrix..
    Those that wear it now will tell you it’s their choice to wear it..what is NOT said is they were given a choice to wear it, or be beaten to a pulp. In that context, it’s still their choice, and the unsaid side is never seen. Give that loophole to the Most Tolerant Ones and they will take it.
    Ban the dang thing and be done with it.

    A fair point.

  • WOOFX

    Mandating dress or banning dress are two sides of the coin of petty tyranny.

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    Low rider drives a little slower

  • WOOFX

    Categorize under mind your own business.
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