Former SADD “Student Of The Year” Arrested For Underage Drinking

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Carrie Sandstrom is a student at the University of North Dakota. She’s the editor of the school newspaper, the Dakota Student, was Students Against Destructive Decision’s “student of the year for 2012-2013 and serves as one of two UND student members on the Grand Forks Community and Campus Committee on High-Risk Alcohol Use, something she touted recently in an op/ed for the Grand Forks Herald.

And this weekend she was arrested, accused of obstructing a police officer, refusing to halt for police and being a minor consuming alcohol.

According to reports, when police officers approached her she appeared to be drunk. She swore at officers and refused to cooperate.

Sandstrom, by all accounts, is a fine student with an impressive resume built up already at nineteen. Now this arrest has happened, and will be on her record forever. That’s devastating.

I think Sandstrom is the victim of two things.

First, and foremost, her own decisions and actions for which she will have to face the consequences.

Second, America’s utter hypocrisy when it comes to alcohol.

Americans generally, and North Dakotan’s especially, are a people who like to drink. Our media is littered with alcohol advertising. The Super Bowl, like many other holidays both formal and informal, is an excuse to tip a few back with friends and family (hey, here’s a drinking game for use with tomorrow’s State of the Union address!). And, truth be told, most Americans use alcohol responsibly.

Yet when it comes to the laws surrounding alcohol, we take a puritanical bent. Despite the fact that most Americans start drinking well before the legal age, and despite the fact that most of us accept that as a reality, consuming alcohol under the age of 21 is a crime. You can be arrested for having even one beer or one glass of wine, and if you’re over the age of 18, that arrest becomes a part of your permanent record.

Moreso than ever in this digital age when things like criminal records are readily available on the internet.

You have to ask, is that really a healthy situation? Is that what we want for our young people? To raise them in a society where drinking is seen as largely harmless, only to treat them as criminals if they drink before the age of 21 even if they’re considered adults in every other way?

Much of our nation’s drinking problems, particularly on campus where there there really are problems, stem from our ridiculous drinking laws that postpone lawful introduction to alcohol until well into adulthood.

Sandstrom has devoted much of her young career to the issue of underage drinking, but even as she did so she was drinking underage herself (or seems to have done so on at least one occasion, anyway). Maybe that’s an object lesson for the futility of the age 21 drinking laws, and drinking policies based on prohibition in general.

When America tried, as a national experiment, prohibiting the sale and consumption of alcohol what we got wasn’t an alcohol-free society but one in which Americans developed a less healthy relationship with alcohol. With that lesson as our guide, is it any surprise that the age 21 drinking prohibition has resulted in similarly unhealthy relationships with alcohol for our younger generations?

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • ec99

    “Students Against Destructive Decision’s”

    When was this changed from Students Against Drunk Drivers?

    • Flyby_Knight

      When they decided they needed to be able to hound people about a wider range of their life choices.

      • tomorrowclear

        Might be the only humorous line I’ve heard out of any of you.

        A shame more of you don’t direct this at your prudish, fervently religious brethren who never take a break in worrying about what others are doing in their personal lives.

        • Flyby_Knight

          I also tend to be pretty critical of the bible thumpers. Many of whom also happen to be prohibitionists

          • tomorrowclear

            Not to mention exhibitionists with supple young men.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Careful talking like that, you’ll get ellinas all hot and bothered…

          • ellinas1

            Amber, hello.
            How is my dearest and best friend doing?

          • two_amber_lamps
          • ellinas1

            Hello dearest and bestest friend.
            How are you today?

          • http://2wheels2lanes1camera.blogspot.com/ Ryderwriter

            Appropriate use of the word “many” and the word, “most.” Not all Christians are members of the WCTU.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          I think I’m critical of social conservatives quite often.

          But nice strawman.

          • tomorrowclear

            FIrst of all, you’re starting to comprehend what “strawman” means. You’re welcome.

            Second, I try and stop by every day and beyond the issue of homosexuality, I’m not seeing you taking on nanny state conservatives. What are the other issues? Certainly not their unending efforts to foist their religion upon those who want no part of it.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Drug legalization. Porn. Violence in movies and videogames.

            I’ve been pretty outspoken on those issues for years.

            And I always use the term straw man correctly. ;-)

          • tomorrowclear

            Good to know you are pro-porn like me. Have you told Neiman about this?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Given that Neiman routinely describes me as a libertine who is condemned to hell, I think he knows.

            Here’s a surprise: Not all conservatives are lock step ideologues.

          • tomorrowclear

            Bless you, child.

          • Neiman

            Surely you know that your being an atheist, if you are wrong and the Gospel is true, you have rejected salvation and will, according to the Christian faith, suffer perdition, not because I say or, but because you chose that course of unbelief, right?

            I can think of almost nothing as destructive as pornography, it leaves a wide path of destroyed marriages, broken relationship, pursuit of sexual perversions and, led innumerable scores of people away from God’s plan for a stable marriage and family. According to God, every time you look at a sexual image with lust in your heart for that person, you have committed adultery against your wife – every time and for those not married fornicated with a Prostitute in your mind; and, an absent repentance and being born again in Jesus, you will suffer throughout eternity for those sins.

            Libertine: a person (especially a man) who leads an immoral life and is mainly interested in sexual pleasure. a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically : one leading a dissolute lif.

          • tomorrowclear

            And bless you Neiman, for stepping in right on cue.

            I’m thinking about naked women as I write this, Neiman. Naked…young…women.

          • Neiman

            Would Jesus approve of that? If you have a wife or a girlfriend, you are cheating on them and that makes you grossly immoral. I would love to hear you defend that to God on Judgment day, the problem is, no one will defend themselves, no one will have a single word to say, it will be evident that you chose hell and rejected Jesus, Worse, as you depart into utter darkness, all alone forever, burned into your very conscious mind will be the unbelievable Love of God and the Glory of Heaven, which you know you will never experience again and it was your arrogant choice.

          • tomorrowclear

            Yes, Neiman, I’m sure God has nothing better to do than monitor my thoughts about women. War, pestilence, natural disasters, wanton violence and God is concerned about me ogling women in my brain. You are such a sad, pathetic figure, I almost reconsider having fun with you at times.

          • Neiman

            Matthew Five: ”

            New International Version (NIV) Jesus speaking ->

            27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

            He knows everything and to know your every thought and deed does not dilute His attention to everything else absolute detail all at the same time.

          • ec99

            Even Jimmuh Carter admitted to this one.

          • Neiman

            There is not a man that ever lived and I doubt any women, that have not committed this sin many times, a great many of them truly countless times; but, it remains a sin that separates souls from God and only He can deliver us.

          • tomorrowclear

            I’d like to see you and Jimmy Carter in a piety-eating contest. I’ve got money on the peanut farmer, but I’ll bet the Vegas line would be pretty close.

          • Guest

            But, according to your rules, Neiman, being good doesn’t matter, as long as you are born again, remember? Or does that only apply to you, the special Christ like one that no other can compare?

            You sin daily, just as people who lust do. Why not try and at least be honest, confess your sins and try to be a good person? Find Christ again, my friend.

          • tomorrowclear

            Oh, I’m not too worried, Neiman. Jesus undoubtedly looked lustily at a woman or two in his time on Earth, so I figure he’ll be pretty forgiving. Besides, if Heaven forbids a little ogling, I don’t want any part of it.

          • ec99

            Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company?

          • tomorrowclear

            Perhaps.

          • Neiman

            A. It breaks my heart to hear such blasphemy against Jesus, Who knew no sin.
            B. Well dress for extreme heat then, because ogling is a sin and sin is not allowed in Heaven.

          • tomorrowclear

            I will, and I hope the young ladies dress inappropriately as well.

          • Neiman

            I know that in your out of control ego, you think you are quite amusing. You will not believe a word I write, but pay attention anyway, you will, I promise you, recall every word after you leave this life and these words will torment you: You will be conscious, without any rest ever, totally alone, in utter darkness – forever and ever; you will exist in conscious torment every moment of every sin you ever committed and as you have no rest, you will not have a single moment without horrific mental torments. When you cross that river, I absolutely assure you that you will not be laughing – it will be constant screaming but no one will hear you, you will scream to God for a forgiveness that will never come. You will have done it to yourself, if not for your incredible vanity – you would have seen Jesus offering you the free gift of God, the complete forgiveness of all your sins and you would have eternal life, joy unspeakable.

            No, you can laugh now, but it is no joke and when you cross that river you will never laugh again.

          • zdavid53

            You guys scare me. It’s like going to the local elevator and talking about something. I can already predict what each of you say about certain things. I do have to say that recently, things have been more civil. When they descend into profanity and name calling I hesitate to even comment, but recently, things haven’t been too bad. I’m happy about that. Maybe we should get together once a year at a convention or something and have a dinner or something sort of like ducks unlimited or something. Maybe not.

          • Neiman

            What profanity above?

          • your best friend

            Now tell us what Heaven will be like, Neiman. I know you only know hell, and not that which is heavenly. That’s where I will be, and I will send notes down to you from time to time to tell you that I am sorry you didn’t listen to us.

          • Neiman

            Now how are going to get to Heaven? By being a good little boy and earning your way there?

            It is part of the Gospel message to expose sin and warn the lost of the pains of hell that it might encourage them to seek after God.

            I am Born Again, already assured of Heaven. I know it is useless, but how about you confess here and now Jesus as your only Savior and the absolute Lord of your life?

            Heaven is to be a part of the Spiritual Body of Christ, it is first and foremost intimate communion with Him forever.

          • Guest

            Being good is abolutely part of the equation, it’s sad that you are not good, and that you look upon being good as something distasteful or something to mock. I pity you and I pray for you. You will not find entrance into Heaven because you fail to repent for your sins and sincerely make an effort to stop, you make all effort to sin and continue to sin without repenting.

            Repent now!

          • Neiman

            Those are all lies and what is more important – you know you are lying. You need to ask my forgiveness for your lies, I never said no even implied being good was distasteful or not the path for Christians. You sir are a most damnable liar.

            I find Heaven by Grace alone, by faith alone in Christ Jesus alone, there is no other way unto Salvation.

          • Guest

            At every chance you mock and criticize those who believe in doing good works, my brother. So it is true, starting with your quote above:

            Now how are going to get to Heaven? By being a good little boy and earning your way there? – Neiman

            You must stop your lies and your hatred of Christ’s message, my brother.

          • Neiman

            WE ARE NOT BROTHERS – GET IT?

            You cannot earn salvation – no one ever has, no one is good, no not one, that is God’s Word. I criticize as a most damnable lie that works get anyone into Heaven, I deny most passionately that anyone is saved by being good.

            Ephesians 2:8 says, “For by grace are you saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves.” The Holy Spirit through Paul says salvation is not, cannot be obtained by our being good enough and deserving it, it is a frre gift obtained solely by Grace. Your insisting it is by works of the flesh in contrary to Grace and holds Christ up to shame and makes His sacrifice of no value.

          • Guest

            Your cut and paste does not say by Grace alone, my brother, and in fact The Bible talks about doing good works and this is of course is part of the equation, a part of the equation that you rebel against because you are lost and have not the Spirit of Christ in you.

            I pray for you, I pity you and you are dismissed.

          • Neiman

            I am not your brother – that makes you a liar. You deliberately misuse God’s Word and you are increasing your torments in hell by deceiving the lost with your lies.

          • Neiman

            While I would prefer to ignore you, knowing that you are filled with hatred and often deliberately offend me by referring to me as your friend and brother, I must for the sake of others offer this warning:

            When in our sinful vanity we dare to lift ourselves up and assert that by our works in the flesh, we participate in our own Salvation, we thus make ourselves our own co-redeemers, placing ourselves on equal footing with Christ, it is self deification. In doing so, we also state most clearly that the sacrifice of Jesus to pay for our sins was incomplete, it lacked perfection, which denies His Divine Nature; because it requires the efforts of men in their sinful flesh to make complete what Jesus then only partially provided to us. That is a most blasphemous lie and it is to spiritually spit upon the Lord of Glory – to reject Salvation in Him alone. It is wholly contrary to Grace.

            After our salvation, which is accepted once and that forever, we are told by both James and Paul that good works should follow, they are the fruits of our secure Salvation, an expression of our thankfulness to Jesus. Yet, in Galatians we learn that even the very faith to accept that Salvation and the good works that follow, are not of ourselves, they do not arise from our own innate goodness, but both the faith and the works are by, in and through Jesus.

            Lastly, good works are not what liberals define them to be, they are not works of liberality, as those works are not focused on bringing glory to God and to the saving of souls, but a vain attempt to gather glory for the person doing those works,

          • Guest

            Also, you left no room for doing good works or being good. You have abandoned showing the love of Christ for your hateful ways of bashing people with your made up Bible, my brother.

          • Neiman

            I AM NOT YOUR BROTHER – I am getting sick an tired of that deliberate insult and have no more time for your games. I would love to discuss any part of the Christian faith, but not when you deliberately, with hatred and malice falsely cal me your friend or brother or otherwise insult me.

            Other than against sin or those that deceive people into hell, I hate no one. It is a gross deception and a heresy to teach salvation by works.

          • Guest

            Nobody said that salvation by works alone is the only answer, my brother, but instead I said it was part of the equation.

            You are a lost sheep, my friend, and I pray for you that you find Christ in your path of self destruction. i pray for you, I pity you and you are dismissed.

          • Neiman

            You, rbb and Ellinas prove you are not Christians by your insults, your deliberately offending me. I am not your brother or friend, we are enemies as you are an enemy of my Lord Jesus and an enemy of the lost, deceiving them into hell.

          • Guest

            Only a hateful person, not of Christ, could be offended by another Christian calling them a friend or brother. When you say you are not a Christian and that you have a duty to oppose all who say they are Christian, and that good works and being good is not something you believe in and in fact are against, there’s not much hope for you.

            You are lost, and I pray you find the path of Christ.

          • Neiman

            You do not get to decide. If someone says that something offends them and you keep doing it, you are in the wrong.

          • Dakotacyr

            This is hilarious, you have routinely name called others on this blog and then claim that you are still going to heaven because you have been born again. You sin without regard to God’s word, preach to everyone on this blog about what a good Christian you are while denigrating many on this website. Obviously “turn the other cheek” means nothing to you.
            I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time, thanks, Neiman.

          • Neiman

            Every word you wrote was a lie hater!

          • Guest

            It was the truth, my friend. You have not Christ in you, only on your sleeve, which you use as a pass to beat others into submission, judge others, insult others, offend others and damn others into hell.

          • Neiman

            We are not friends, you wrote that deliberately with the intent of offending me; would your made up Jesus permit you to deliberately, consciously and with malice/hatred offend anyone? Or, should you, even to your made up, fake Jesus, ask my forgiveness for such an offense?

            The rest of your comment as was the person above, are a tissue of lies born of your hatred. While I am certainly far from perfect, I do appreciate your attacks, as no matter my flaws, it is a n honor to be considered worthy of the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings, brought on by your many, hate filled, anti-Christian attacks on my person.

          • PK

            Why would anyone find what you describe as hilarious? Neiman’s right most of the time and from what i’ve observed, it’s his opposition that normally starts an argument with him. This thread started with a derogatory comment about naked women to lure Neiman in, and sure enough, the other jackals came right in attacking his salvation. If you really think what Neiman says are condemnable sins, all the wolves who egg him on are more guilty than him.

          • Neiman

            When did I ever say I was a good Christian or had a righteousness greater than anyone? Show me those words please.

            So, you too believe that salvation is obtained by works of the flesh, by our earning it by being good enough, on our own merits? So, we are our own co-redeemers, we add to Jesus work to save us, as His Propitiation on our behalf was imperfect, incomplete, it needing our help to make it a reality? So, salvation by Grace is not Salvation by the unmerited favor of God, it is not a free gift; but a recompense, a wage for our own efforts in earning that gift? So, Jesus in essence failed to save us completely, to the uttermost, He is a failed Savior as he needs the added works of His own human creation to make it perfect?

            Goodness, that seems awful anti-Christ to me.

            I leave the rest of your lies to you and whatever made-up god you might serve.

          • rbb

            Exactly, Old Pal.
            He knows everything, absolutely every detail.
            Like who He creates will be one of our gays.

            But He creates them anyway.

          • Neiman

            Utter blasphemy!

            Plus you again deliberately, with hatred and malice, consciously offending me which is apparently what your god teaches.

          • Guest

            Why does God make some people with both a penis and vagina, Neiman? Is that a choice for them as well?

          • Neiman

            That too is blasphemous, you cannot find a single word in the Bible wherein God ever created anyone but Adam, all else were procreated. Further, there is nothing to indicate He has anything to do with the perversions of nature we cause by our own free will.

          • Guest

            How does free will create deformities and physical abnormalities, my brother? Please explain.

          • Neiman

            Love to, first stop calling me your brother or friend, we are enemies as you are an enemy of the Grace of God and of Jesus.

          • Onslaught1066
          • Guest

            But Neiman, are you forgetting that you teased people for behaving well and being good? Why all of a sudden do you fake caring about porn when you said it’s by faith and grace alone, not good works or being “a good little boy”, as you put it?

            Also, does porn get you off, is that why you frown upon it, because you can’t look at it an still love or be excited by your wife more?

            Your argument makes no sense unless you are admitting you have no self control.

          • Neiman

            Those are all lies! But you are a hater and a known liar.

          • Chris Sorochin

            i don’t know of anyone whose marriage has broken up over pornography.

          • Neiman

            Pornography impacts sexual fulfillment in marriage, after all how can the average woman, working all day compete with sexual porn stars in exciting her husband? The truth is, whether you agree or not, it impacts those marriages where the husband is involved in viewing pornography.

            Is Pornography behind at least 500,000 divorces annually?

            In a 2004 testimony before the United States Senate, Dr. Jill
            Manning shared some interesting data regarding pornography and
            relationships. In her research she found that 56 percent of divorce
            cases involved one party having an obsessive interest in pornographic websites.1 Another source, the American Academy of
            Matrimonial Lawyers, polled 350 divorce attorneys in 2003 where two
            thirds of them reported that the Internet played a significant role in
            the divorces, with excessive interest in online porn contributing to
            more than half such cases.

            If these numbers are accurate, here’s a very sobering statistic. Every year for the past decade there have been roughly 1 million divorces in the United States. If half of the people divorcing claim pornography as the culprit, that means there are 500,000 marriages annually that are failing due to pornography.

            I am sure that many people will argue that there are other underlying issues in these marriages and that pornography is the symptom and not the root cause. I get it. It can’t possibly be the porn because porn wasn’t the reason given in the late 70’s and early 80’s when the divorce rate hit its peak. Back then wasn’t it sex, money, and the kids?

            So it’s not really the porn, right? It has to be the lack of sexual intimacy in the marriage or that the women are too cold and frigid. Or maybe it’s because some women are overly sensitive and feel so threatened by it that they are putting their foot down and saying “me or the porn.” There just has to be another reason besides the porn.

            I don’t think porn is “always” the cause of divorce. In fact, I have a
            hard time imagining that the 500,000 divorces in the United States each year are because of porn. Nevertheless, if even 25% of the 500,000 divorce cases are due to porn, that is 125,000 marriages each and every year that are a direct result of pornography.

            That’s too many broken homes. That’s too much hurt and pain.

            Is it okay to suggest that pornography might not be good for our society? Sure a majority of people who view porn aren’t obsessed by it, but what about those whose lives are out of control because of it? There is a tremendous cost to society whether we acknowledge it or not.

            http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-porn-addiction/201112/is-porn-really-destroying-500000-marriages-annually

          • Neiman

            Do you hate no love your wife so much that you can not let her sexually excite you over a porn star, Neiman? I could not be more excited over a porn star than my wife. That is what you fail to understand, not all people are unable to control their emotions, as you are.

          • Neiman

            This is not about me, although you haters always want to make it about me. There are many studies that support what I said. Don’t like it, too bad!

          • Chris Sorochin

            You seem to have quite an obsession going there.

          • Neiman

            Says one that by your empty headed comments, obviously indulges in and promotes pornography, who has probably never had a meaningful relationship with a member of the opposite gender in your pathetic porn loving life and an atheist to boot.

            There are a host of studies that have demonstrated the harmful effects of pornography and against which a few psycho-sexual mass murders have confessed caused them to murder. While you obviously reject moral/spiritual values, seeming to demonstrate a Libertine bent; nonetheless our Creator spoke against sexual lusts towards anyone not our spouse, knowing it was in spirit a form of adultery and immoral fornication in the heart. He warned us not as a spoilsport, One wanting to make sexual relationships boring and unappealing, but knowing that true love and fidelity is the highest and best place for sexual intercourse and which bring us the greatest pleasure and fulfillment.

            If you choose to reject that Divine Counsel, He gave you a free will; only, when you use that free will to engage in pornographic sexual gratification and it cause you to lose out on true love and a life time commitment to the prize of your heart and results in negative consequences, do not blame God – He told you the best path to follow.

          • Chris Sorochin

            Once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Nor do you know anything about God. You just want some club to hit people over the head with and feel superior. Jesus would have called you out immediately for being the pharisee that you are.

          • Neiman

            A. You have no idea what a Pharisee was, if you did, you know it was about legalism versus the Spirit of God’s Word. I am a man of Grace, of God’s Mercy, which unfortunately still does not say sin is no longer sin.
            B. You made a vile accusation against me and no pretend offense at what I have said? Incredible hubris!
            C. I feel superior to no one, but it is impossible to stand on God’s Word and those engaged in sin and/or condoning sin, not to feel the first person is claiming to have mastery over the Truth superior to the second person.
            D. It is so odd, you are here defending pornography in Jesus Name, causing people to think He supports or at least does not condemn pornography. Believe me, Jesus is not on your side on this issue.

          • Chris Sorochin

            No, you’re just mean-spirited and self-righteous.

          • Neiman

            Meaningless tripe, wholly subjective based on your prejudices.

          • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ Goon’s ND Redneck

            I am pro-first amendment, that means people are allowed to watch Porn if they want to.

          • borborygmi45

            Drug legalization. Porn. Violence in movies and video games. Dogs and Cats living together, drives the Social Conservatives up the wall. The Libertarian model of gov’t is lots of fun, “If it is a vice it must be nice”

          • Lianne

            I haven’t read or seen much about your thoughts on lowing the driving age.

          • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ Goon’s ND Redneck

            I don’t know, I like violent movies and I drink beer… :)

      • two_amber_lamps

        Interesting… SADD works the same angle as the enviro-tards morphing their blather to “climate change.”

        Metastasizing cancer….

    • zdavid53

      It was changed when people realized that students against drunk drivers didn’t seem to be working out too well. Sort of like when climate change took over for global warming. As far as I’m concerned, if someone sends their kids to college without showing them how to drink responsibly, they are committing child abuse. You send your young daughter to college with no knowledge, you better hope they have good friends when they go nuts with their first two beers. When your child passes out at a frat party because they are naïve, you better hope that there are gentlemen around to protect them.

      • Chris Sorochin

        Totally agree, but you left out the part about training your SONS to not be exploitive pigs. BTW, I once worked with a young woman who had been president of SADD at her school and she showed the other girls how to make fake IDs on the office copier.

  • Guest

    Scumbag Port:

    Argues the country needs to change underage drinking laws because things like criminal records are readily available on the internet.

    Makes front page post with full name of underage drinker, further adding to the story’s exposure.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      This story is being reported by one of the largest newspapers in the state.

      I hardly think I’m adding much publicity.

      But your knee jerk reaction to every post is to attack me personally. Because thats all you’ve got I guess.

      • Guest

        How about the hack use himself, an admitted drunk driver, as the poster child for this issue instead?

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          I’ve written about the mistake I’ve made.

          It is no secret. You’re not embarrassing me.

          But please, keep obsessing about me.

          • Guest

            Really? I didn’t see a front page post about your drunk driving escapdes like you’re so kindly doing for this poor girl.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            I’ve mentioned it in multiple posts, all of which appeared on the front page.

            But what does that have to do with this? I’m not a college student, nor have I been an advocate for stricter drinking policies. Quite the opposite in fact.

          • tomorrowclear

            No offense Rob, but you not favoring stricter drinking policies is about as shocking as Hamm’s Golden Draft being opposed to tighter environmental regulations.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            I think maybe you’ve been drinking a bit too much tonight.

          • tomorrowclear

            Only 7-Up, Robert. Plus, I don’t drink that kind of swill. Basically, only imports.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Then seven up is clearly impeding your ability to write coherently.

          • tomorrowclear

            So you’re going with that, Robert?

            Here, I’ll get this over with quickly: Tell me which post in particular is incoherent.

          • Onslaught1066

            Most likely original recipe 7up.

            Look it up, it explains much.

          • two_amber_lamps

            And here I had you pegged for Yellow Tail Reserve….

          • tomorrowclear

            Nope. Killkenny’s Dark Lager all the way.

          • Onslaught1066

            Boone’s farm strawberry hill.

          • Flyby_Knight

            “Poor girl”? She’s an adult who acted in a way that is blatantly hypocritical to her expressed beliefs, which she has been awarded for holding. Give me a break.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Hear, hear.

        • Guest Observer

          Yep, you are related to Suzie B. None to bright are you!

          • Guest

            “to[sic] bright of you”

            Nothing quite as enjoyable a seeing a troll like you make a 2nd grade spelling mistake in a comment intending to disparage.

          • Guest Observer

            Is that all you have? You really are related to Suzie! Thanks for the comic relief :)

          • Guest

            All I have? Says the person who could literally think of no other insult besides being related to another commentator and has repeated it three times in the last five minutes?

          • Guest Observer

            No insults, just merely watching you play along. If nothing, you are predictable.

          • Guest

            /yawn
            What a terrible troll.
            2/10

          • Onslaught1066

            Naw! it’s just too easy.

      • Guest

        And you’re ensuring it stays alive. The hack hasn’t shied away from favorably comparing his readership vis-a-vis to the Herald in the past. http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/an-interesting-tid-bit-on-the-grand-forks-heralds-online-readership/

        • Guest Observer

          Rob lives rent free in your head. He must enjoy the vast space that is available between your ears.

          • Guest

            Yes, your repeated disparaging comments on every post I make certainly taught me a valuable lesson about creepy stalking and obsession.

          • Guest Observer

            Oh boy, a liberal using a dictionary. Please carry on. This is better than Lizard Lick Towing at the moment.

          • Guest

            Another response from you. /ick

          • Guest Observer

            You are the observant one. Please carry on.

          • tomorrowclear

            Just the other night I wondered aloud who was the one person watching Lizard Lick Towing. Thank you, ma’am.

            BTW, what’s your opinion of Guns, God and Automobiles?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Snob.

          • tomorrowclear

            Indeed. And the worst of you peons are the ones who can’t even man up to drink draft beer and insist on “lite” beer. You do know the origins of “lite” beer, correct?

          • Guest Observer

            A great movie. Steve Martin and John Candy were brilliant in it.

          • tomorrowclear

            No, no, no…that was the prequel. The sequel you’re referencing starred Ted Nugent, Ted Haggard and Mr. Bergis.

          • Guest Observer

            They don’t make them like that anymore! ;)

          • tomorrowclear

            Pedophiles and racists? Perhaps not…if we’re lucky.

          • Guest Observer

            Pedophiles and racists. Spin off of Two Broke Girls?

          • tomorrowclear

            There’s a solid premise for a porn film in that title somewhere. Let me run some thoughts by Neiman and then I’ll get back to you.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Staying alive?

          The news literally broke this evening.

          And yeah, SAB has a robust readership. Thanks for noticing.

    • Guest Observer

      You must be related to Suzie Beeler.

    • SusanBeehler

      Yes he just adds to his statement “That’s devastating.”
      For what, his own blogging pleasure?

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        Pardon me for expressing a modicum of empathy for the girl.

        • JoeMN

          Susan will likely find that statement sexist

          • SusanBeehler

            You are learnin fast.

          • JoeMN

            I am “learning” how badly you need a vacation in that special place with padded walls.

          • Drain52

            She thinks it’s sexist to notice if a statement is sexist.

        • SusanBeehler

          OMG you call your story on her “empathy” because of that one line. You call her girl in one post and an adult in another. You are just throwing salt on her self inflicted wound not empathy. All so you can talk about how we need more drinking by younger people in our state? You are a dad to daughters?

          • Guest Observer

            You never fail to deliver Suzie!

          • two_amber_lamps

            Deliver tripe, tripe and more leftist rot.

          • ellinas1

            Tripe makes good menudo.
            Love hugs and kisses.
            Your bestest and dearest friend, ellinas.

  • kevindf

    Who does she think she is; Josh Swanson?

  • Neiman

    “Bible Thumpers?” That is pure Christian hatred, it is to insult people
    of faith solely because they disagree with your more Libertine views on
    social/moral issues.

    We have come to a sad time in America when
    the vast majority of people have given up on imposing some reasonable
    restraints on the behavior of younger people, the motivation of which
    was, in loving concern for their lives, to offer them as much protection
    from bad decisions as possible until they gained a degree of emotional
    maturity to make more informed decisions. Beyond your side rejecting
    these restraints, you folk actually defend and even promote their risky
    behavior as being their right.

    There is a consensus now among
    most people, Right or Left, that having a Permissive attitude towards
    every sort of depraved behavior makes them good people, live and let
    live no matter the consequences. That in my opinion is a prescription
    for such a moral disintegration of our society that it is a return to
    the law of the jungle, just blindly following our animal instincts and
    base lusts.

    In truth – “Tolerance is the disgraceful asylum for
    the morally dissolute! a call or plea for tolerance is most often an
    intolerant demand that,
    particular perverse attitudes or behavior be approved by an individual
    or society, which acts and thoughts in previous times and social
    settings, would have been considered wicked and unspeakable.”

  • devilschild

    She should have known better than to swear at the cops considering that both of her parents are judges in ND and her grandma is Miss Manners Marilyn Haggerty.

    • SusanBeehler

      I was wondering why the Grand Forks Herald was covering the story, if what you say is true explains why they would cover an underage drinker, not like there is not numerous underage drinkers arrested each weekend which do not make a “story”.

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        She’s an adult. Just so we are clear.

        Juvenile arrests aren’t typically public.

        But she’s also a public figure, by nature of her position at the student newspaper and as a spokesperson for a cause.

        • ec99

          How did a sophomore become Editor-in-Chief? No one with any experience wanted it?

          • tomorrowclear

            Yeah, it’s like totally absurd! Like someone who doesn’t even have a college degree garnering journalism awards!

          • ec99

            Actually, it is absurd. But the paper has been called The Dakota Stupid for years.

          • tomorrowclear

            Very clever. I’m guessing it took several high school graduates days to fashion that one.

          • ec99

            Not clever, fact.

          • tomorrowclear

            You read college newspapers quite often, do you?

          • ec99

            The DS is distributed free throughout the city.

          • tomorrowclear

            My local Jehovah’s Witnesses also make sure to distribute their free literature on my doorstep. Rarely do I devote any time to perusing it.

          • ec99

            Neiman congratulates you on your religious discernment.

          • tomorrowclear

            I’ve adopted a new standard: WWND (What Would Neiman Do). I do the opposite with a broad smile on my face.

          • Neiman

            What I would do, in the flesh is flawed and you would do well to seek God and ask Him what way is right; but, the big difference is – despite my wanderings, my foolishness, my many failures, Jesus paid the full penalty for all my sins and I gain Heaven and eternal life no on my merits, but in His,

          • tomorrowclear

            Neiman, I will ask you this only once: Never mention yourself in the flesh ever again. Never. Thank you.

        • SusanBeehler

          How could the Grand Forks Herald and the Forum miss covering your story on your DUI? After all you are alot more public than a school newspaper editor and you love to go after others who have been drunk while driving.

          • devilschild

            I’m sure if he was the editor of the UND student newspaper, and SADD’s student of the year 2012-2013, his infraction would’ve made the papers. But he isn’t so it didn’t.

    • ec99

      Marilyn has reviewed the jail cafeteria. Maybe she can give her some culinary advice for lunch.

    • Lianne

      The scenario you create brings an image of high demands for perfection that would be just too much for anyone to meet.

  • SusanBeehler

    Yes Rob you should use alchol responsibly, don’t drink and drive.

    Also aren’t you “convicting” her before her due process?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      She resigned from her position and in doing so admitted her guilt for the alcohol consumption part anyway.

      Read for comprehension.

      • SusanBeehler

        I was referring to due process in the court of law. The cop in Lincoln was going to resign too, but you gave him less judgement than you are giving this gal. Just saying you are all into harping on due process and such, but pretty selective in doing so.

  • JoeMN

    Yet when it comes to the laws surrounding alcohol, we take a puritanical bent.
    _____________
    We all know that to question the prohibitionist is blaspheme

  • Neiman

    “Bible Thumpers?” That is pure Christian hatred, it is to insult people
    of faith solely because they disagree with your more Libertine views on
    social/moral issues.

    We have come to a sad time in America when
    the vast majority of people have given up on imposing some reasonable
    restraints on the behavior of younger people, the motivation of which
    was, in loving concern for their lives, to offer them as much protection
    from bad decisions as possible until they gained a degree of emotional
    maturity to make more informed decisions. Beyond your side rejecting
    these restraints, you folk actually defend and even promote their risky
    behavior as being their right.

    There is a consensus now among
    most people, Right or Left, that having a Permissive attitude towards
    every sort of depraved behavior makes them good people, live and let
    live no matter the consequences. That in my opinion is a prescription
    for such a moral disintegration of our society that it is a return to
    the law of the jungle, just blindly following our animal instincts and
    base lusts.

    In truth – “Tolerance is the disgraceful asylum for
    the morally dissolute! a call or plea for tolerance is most often an
    intolerant demand that,
    particular perverse attitudes or behavior be approved by an individual
    or society, which acts and thoughts in previous times and social
    settings, would have been considered wicked and unspeakable.”

  • BlaineStubbins

    I assume Mac Schneider will call for her to give back her SADD honor right?

  • ec99

    So, now that the Herald has broken this earth-shattering story, when are they going to print the new UND volleyball coach’s salary, which was omitted the first time around?

    • tomorrowclear

      Ooohhh…that sounds like another brewing scandal for the university system. Not to mention that the taxpayers are footing the bill for the coach’s kneepads. These types of fringe benefits are what is really killing us.

  • sbark

    Saul Alsinky rules for radicals #4—— “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

    • tomorrowclear

      You managed to work Saul Alinsky into a DUI thread? You are good, my man. I’ll tell you what, if you can link this to Benghazi, I’ll buy you twelve six-packs of your favorite domestic lite swill.

      • sbark

        I lump Benghazi, IRS power abuse, EPA, ObamaCare flat our Lies for re-election, Fast and Furious and Obama recent promise to abuse executive power into one alsinky rule………

        —– 1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”
        ……until another branch or the media is willing to call him out—–he will abuse his power to punish his oppenents—the Leftist way
        ***
        TallGrass Buffalo Sweat Oatmeal Stoudt please………avail at Captain Jacks Bismarck

  • ec99

    Mike Jacobs held that position at the DS. Maybe this story brought up fond memories for him.

  • RCND

    She broke the law. She engaged in potentially hypocritical behavior. But, this really calls into question the hypocracy of our government. Like how you are adult enough in the eyes of the government at 18 to make the decision to serve and possibly die for your country on the orders of the government, but you are not old enough comprehend the sheer responsibility of having a beer. Or how the state governments want to be able to decide for themselves what is best for their citizens rather than allowing the Feds too… Except when a little bit of the Feds highway money is waved under their nose. Then the folks in DC I guess really must be smarter than all us hicks.

    • zdavid53

      Cops don’t or should not bother college underage students who are drinking as long as they don’t bother other people. Under age drinkers can get by with the offence if they are discrete. When many states decreased their age limits, the statistics of the feds were so horrible for traffic deaths, action needed to be taken. Most of the teens who recite that if they are old enough to go to war thing have never considered going themselves. Those who did go to war didn’t seem to have any problem getting something to drink and don’t seem to be the ones complaining. Its a difficult problem. Parents are expected to teach their children how to live life. They should teach their children how to drink responsibly if they drink themselves. When I grew up (as one of my daughters said “A long time ago”) it seemed like parents did allow their kids to drink at neighborhood functions and relatives birthday partys and at wedding receptions and such. We seem to have a larger problem now. Or maybe the more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • DixCitizenKane

    Really Rob? This is weak. Believe it or not, there are people in society who chose to obey the law, who chose the path of the right and narrow. As industry become more competitive, I think its great employers can view a criminal record of those who choose not to play by the rules. People know the limits, people (should) know right vs. wrong. So why cry for them when they get what they deserve? PEOPLE NEED TO START TAKING CHARGE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS AND STOP BLAMING OTHERS/THE LAWS/THE SYSTEM!!! You didn’t do society a favor on this one, buddy.

  • ec99

    As I recall, in the last incidence of this occurring at UND, the hockey coach was responsible for adjudication. Given that, the only fair consequence for her is to be suspended from playing one men’s hockey game, as that was the previous punishment.

  • Lianne

    posted 11 hours ago and already 114 comments? Do you guys never sleep? It is her hypocrisy that is one problem. The other is that clearly she can’t drink responsibly. Or did someone spike her drinks to make her a laughing stock? But, let’s get rid of the age restriction and see what happens.

  • toomuchguvmint

    Brains of children are not fully developed until 25. That is one reason we make a concerted effort to protect them from certain dangers that can be extremely harmful and lethal. . Besides that some of us love children. See http://www.academic.marist.edu/mwwatch/fall05/ The key finding of the NIAAA research was that people who started drinking before age 15 were 50% more likely to become alcohol dependent as adults. The same was true to a lesser extent for those who started drinking between ages 15 and 17. See http://alcoholism.about.com/od/tipsforparents/a/early_age.htm To think that kids should learn drinking skills at a younger age is not in anyone’s best interest.

    • JoeMN

      But how successful have we actually been at protecting them ?
      Even though their brains may not be fully developed, they seem to find their way around our prohibitionist policies just fine.
      As this story illustrates, they find their way around alcohol age limits.
      And even as we increase sin taxes on cigarettes into the stratosphere, kids simply move on to another prohibited product
      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-teens-smoke-pot-than-cigarettes-says-cdc-survey/
      So it should seem obvious by now that if we simply raise the driving age to remedy the number of teenage auto accidents, they will (pardon the bluntness) find another way to die.

      So what’s the solution here ?
      Perhaps if it wasn’t prohibited, this gal could have gotten her first nip at the bottle at 15 with her parents present, and would have learned from the experience, or even avoided this more painful experience.
      Perhaps we could rip a page from auto insurers playbook and recognize the link between academic success and risk levels.
      We need to start taking a good hard look at the effectiveness of our policies.

      http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/15/lowering-legal-drinking-age-opinions-contributors-regulation.html

      • camsaure

        Right, your premise is already been proven in Europe.

    • zdavid53

      I’ve known an awful lot of people who drank like fish until their 21st birthday and then basically quit drinking. As for the NIAAA research, I don’t think I believe that one. These people are looking for a result and that is what they will find.

      • toomuchguvmint

        Perhaps maturity of brain promotes responsibility.

    • camsaure

      If their brains are not developed, why are they voting?

      • ec99

        Or in higher ed for that matter.

        • camsaure

          Sadly you arte correct. LOL

      • Lianne

        Excellent question. Why ARE they being allowed to vote?

        • ec99

          Pretty simple. 18-year-olds were being conscripted to be LBJ’s cannon fodder.

          • Lianne

            oh yes, good ol’ LBJ!

      • JoeMN

        The answer is basically the same as why cigarette smoking is attacked with a vengeance, while pot smoking increasingly becomes a protected act.
        Because it increases the Democrat voter base.

    • Yukon

      If the brains aren’t fully develop, why do we have them in the military, why do they get to vote, why are they in the work force?

    • Jonesy

      Do they become alcohol dependent because they started drinking at 15 or did they start drinking at 15 because they’re the type of people who are going to become alcohol dependent?
      Correlation is not causation.

  • Markie Denniston

    It is not the drinking it was the entitlement attitude that probably got her in the most trouble. the disrespect for the law, the swearing… When you put yourself up above everyone else then when you fall you fall farther And faster. Interesting her first act according to the article was to resign from the paper not apologize for acting like a jerk to people that are hired to protect them

  • http://2wheels2lanes1camera.blogspot.com/ Ryderwriter

    Another symptom of the “quick fix” stupidity of instant gratification America. Over-consumption of booze is very childish and”self-centered.” It is allowed because people do not take responsibility for themselves. They “blame the other guy (or alcohol)” for the failure to take responsibility for self. Americans have lost the personal strength to stand strong and true.
    It’s not a legal issue, it’s a personality issue of easy escapism and instant gratification.
    I believe Carrie will take responsibility for her own actions. I believe Carrie will learn from this lesson. She’s an incredibly smart woman from a very smart family. She’ll figure it out.
    As for the rest of North Dakotans who turn to alcohol too soon, too easily, Carrie will put them to shame for their own lack of self-control,.

  • Chris Sorochin

    Great article. Besides the issue of youth getting criminal records, there’s the one of them growing up to be hypocrites, since the one thing this law teaches them is to be sneaky.

  • Bat 1

    Reading through this thread, its interesting that the libs defending Ms. Sandstrom for NOT living up to her publicly stated beliefs are the same ones who castigate Neiman for actually trying to live up to his. I guess it takes a certain amount of small-minded hypocrisy to be a liberal.

    • Guest

      Yes, because telling people that being good and Christian will not get them into Heaven and acting like a hateful @ss is exactly like being a SADD student with a DUI.

      • Bat 1

        Once again your enthusiasm for attack over-rides your modest ability to put together a coherent argument in English. Of course, you will continue to do as I have described, and attack someone over his religious beliefs. But then you will also look might foolish trying to defend Islam from those who view it as a dangerous relic of Dark Ages barbarism.

        • Guest

          Ha! What utter stupidity.

          If you are going to equate defending good Christians that belong to Christian religions, and who believe that good works are part of the equation for entering into Heaven or Paradise with that of defending Islamic extremism, well…….I don’t quite have the words to respond to that specific level of ignorance.

          If you are going to insert yourself into an argument, at least do those of us who are participating the courtesy of knowing what you you are talking about and to whom.

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