For Nanny Staters, Fat Has Become The New Smoking

Andrew Ferguson points out that obesity is going to be the next front in the battle between the government busy-bodies and those of us who just want to be free:

On December 15, the city council of Binghamton, New York–every member a proud progressive–unanimously passed an ordinance making it a crime to discriminate against fat people. The next day, David Paterson, the famously progressive governor of New York, proposed a special “fat tax” on soda pop because soda pop makes people fat.
When it comes to obesity, the authorities in New York have put their citizens on notice: We will get you coming and going.
Supporters make clear that each move is only preliminary to even greater reforms. Several legislators are interested in a statewide “weight-based” discrimination law, and fat taxes on other foods may prove irresistible.
Obesity is very today, very right now. Obesity is the new smoking. “What smoking was to my parents’ generation,” Paterson says, “obesity is to my children’s generation.” He means this in two ways. One is that kids today–these kids today!–eat fatty foods with as much ardor as their grandparents smoked tobacco. The other is that government intends to eradicate the first vice with the same ruthlessness as it did the second. And it’s not an idle threat. The campaign against smoking was progressivism’s greatest recent success. Over a span of 20 years, an ancient human weakness once enjoyed by nearly half the population and quietly tolerated by the other half became virtually outlawed.
The anti-smoking campaign shows how to turn a private vice requiring tolerance and indulgence into a public offense demanding regulation and official censure.

What I don’t understand is why we’ve lost sight of this simple fact: America is a free country. If we want to live in an unhealthy fashion, why is that the government’s business?
With smoking the nanny staters were able to win their battles with hysterical nonsense about second hand smoke (if second hand smoke is so damaging where’s the holocaust of respiratory illness from all the kids who grew up in homes where their parents smoked in the 1950′s – 1970′s?), but how are they going to make that argument with being fat? After all, there is no second-hand impact on the health of others when you eat a cheeseburger or down a milkshake.
I think the argument they’re going to make is about public dollars spent on treating obese people. They’re going to say that Americans being fat is costing too many tax dollars, so that justifies the government exercising regulatory control over our diets. But isn’t that an argument against policies that make the general public responsible, fiscally, for the health decisions of individuals? Maybe instead of using tax dollars spent on health care as an excuse to regulate our freedom to eat and drink what we want we should shift back to individual responsibility.
Meaning that you are free to be as fat as you want to be, but the consequences of that chubby existence are all yours and nobody else’s. Wouldn’t that make more sense?
It might, if we were still a country that valued things like individual responsibility. But we’re not anymore, I think. We all want to be bailed out from our own bad decisions, and that desire is going to sell our freedom down the river one onion ring and cigarette at a time.

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  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    The smoking bans have definitely gotten out of hand.

    Banning smoking in a restaurant? Ok. Though it would be nice if some restaurants could differentiate themselves by offering service for smokers. Banning smoking in bars? It’s a bar for heavens sake. As long as its clearly marked as to smoking or non smoking, let the owner choose based on clientele. Banning smoking out of doors? Get fracking real.

    Oh, and the exagerations concerning the effects of second hand smoke are only exceeded only by the claims of the AGW crowd.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Rob,

    Your mind floss bill grows exponentially…

  • http://views-from-right.blogspot.com/ subbob

    Let people have smoking establishments such as bars be smoking establishments, if people don’t like it, they can go to a non-smoking bar.

    Unfortunately, without the bans, there will not be any non-smoking bars. As one goes, the rest will follow in order to remain competitive.

    However, if NONE are allowed to have smokers, than it levels the playing field.

    There are several communities in Kansas and Missouri now that do not allow smoking in bars and restaurants. Those establishments have not suffered, they are still frequented and there are new customers – such as me – that will now consider going to them again.

    Your post fell into the same fallacy that Rob made in his original article. Any attempts to compare fat taxes & obesity with smoking bans are irrelevant because the issues are too different.

  • di butler

    I hate these stupid Nanny-staters! Whiny tits. Let people have smoking establishments such as bars be smoking establishments, if people don’t like it, they can go to a non-smoking bar. As for fat people, who gives a shit? If they want to be fat, then let them. It’s no sweat off your ass. I get so sick of these people! WAAAA. Remember they old line that Conservatives want to monitor what goes on in your bedroom? Well, that may be true, but Libs want to monitor what goes on in every other damn room, and the out doors!

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Maybe they should mandate a three mile run under 21 minutes. All “sloggers” will be “re-educated” ! Papers please!

  • http://views-from-right.blogspot.com/ subbob

    Oh, and the exagerations concerning the effects of second hand smoke are only exceeded only by the claims of the AGW crowd.

    My objections to being around smokers has NOTHING to do with any health concerns of second hand smoke. It’s purely that their behavior impacts me, and others, directly.

    As others have said, seeing a fat person, or watching someone eat a cheeseburger does not compare. It does not fill my air passages with an nasty odor, my mouth with a bad taste and cause my clothes to smell like a chimney.

  • robert108

    Smokers deprive others of the freedom to breathe as they choose. Period. The freedom issue is on the side of the nonsmokers. The real issue with smokers is that they can’t control their behavior, and get petulant when others don’t enjoy their toxic waste being forced on them. If smokers weren’t addicts, and could smoke away from others, no problem. The voters call for “smoking bans” because they don’t like smokers forcing their toxic waste on everybody else. They have no “right” to do that.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Actually there is a cure for that, well short of termination.

    Germany, for all its anal-retentiveness about forbidding one to walk on the grass or forcing pedestrians to wait at the crosswalk when no cars are in sight, has a great way of dealing with those who assume the risk of risky behavior.

    If you get in a car accident and you have no seatbelts fastened, the insurer doesn’t have to pay for you.

    Similarly, smokers could smoke like chimneys in the comfort of their own homes, but if a physical examination reveals that you have a lung ailment brought on by smoking, then the company shouldn’t be on the hook.

    Then again, I’ve seen quite a few companies that simply don’t have medical. Those organizations would have no excuse to fire an employee who smokes during his off-hours time.

  • di butler

    No it doesn’t asshat. I didn’t compare. I don’t CARE if people smoke, and I don’t CARE if people are fat. As for leveling the playing field, what about some places that cater to smokers that have lost business that never came back? I was being very fair. Let the owner pick what he wants to have, and let the customer chose where he wants to go.

  • http://views-from-right.blogspot.com/ subbob

    Rob – You are really stretching the analogy on this one.

    I have no problem with banning smoking in public places.

    Someone else smoking nearby:
    – causes me to have to go home and wash the stink out of my clothes
    – makes my eyes to water
    – affects the taste of my food
    – creates a generally unpleasant atmosphere

    Someone obese sitting at a nearby table causes none of those things to happen. Perhaps if they were overly obese, and inappropriate dressed for their weight, I *might* be offended. But in that case I can look the other way, there’s no physical effect upon me, no imprint upon my clothes and no physiological side efects.

    While I understand the general point you were making, I think you eroded that same point with your comparative analysis.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Rob: I see that picture on the front page, and I have to ask myself: “Is it just me, or is Brittany letting herself go?”

  • robert108

    However, like anything else this concept can be perverted into a means of micromanaging peoples’ lives, such as firing employees for smoking in their cars and when they are not at work.

    I think that one’s more an artifact of the increased healthcare costs smokers incur; if we all paid for our own healthcare in a market-based system, it wouldn’t be a problem. Again, the govt, because it gives an advantage to employer-supplied healthcare(paid for with pretax dollars), it has become almost universal, and so the employer now has a financial stake in what should be private behavior. I’m all for people who don’t know any better destroying themselves with stupid and destructive behavior, as long as they only destroy themselves. When it affects me, I will say something about what they’re doing.

  • robert108

    It’s a little annoying to see people like R108 be pro-limited government…until the issues rolls around to their pet peeve.

    Then they’re all for big government.

    What is annoying is to be mischaracterized, like you have just done, Rob. I always say that the people should get to vote on this. Shame on you!
    Once again, smoking puts toxic waste into the lungs of people who don’t choose to smoke, thereby violating their right to choose not to breathe that crap. You talk about freedom, but you really support license, in this case.

  • dragon poker

    When cheesburgers are outlawed, only outlaws will eat cheesburgers.
    Prohibition of ones rights to do with his/her body or mind as they choose is anti-conservative, anti-personal freedom and flies in the face of self determination. I firmly believe that.
    I wont try to deny that the most conservative states demographically are the fattest and least healthy. So what?
    I would rather have a fat, drunk, stoned, sexed up population that is free and knows what freedom is, than a skinny, sober, and oppressed population with illusions of utopia and the need to control others so they can “FEEL” better about whatever it is they are hung up on.
    No one will live forever, no matter who much fun we eliminate from our lives.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    R108,

    I do agree.

    You have the right to take your dog for a walk. We all love dogs. We don’t love your dog’s feces, so don’t leave it behind as a poo-smelling landmine for us to track onto our plush living room carpets.

    You are free to pass gas, but not where others are breathing the same air you are polluting.

    And so it is with smokers.

    The initial success of environmental legislation was based on just this principle — polluter pays. The polluter should not be able to dump his or her filth into the Commons (the environment everyone else happens to live in) and leave everyone else to bear the brunt of his or her carelessness.

    However, like anything else this concept can be perverted into a means of micromanaging peoples’ lives, such as firing employees for smoking in their cars and when they are not at work.

    There has got to be a middle ground in a free society.

  • robert108

    Fat people don’t fill your lungs with toxic waste. False analogy.

  • http://operationyellowelephant.org/ Wek

    Don’t worry, Rob. Even though you’re beggining to grow tusks I’m sure even the ACLU will protect your right to a cholesterol diet.

  • RebTex

    Maybe they should mandate a three mile run under 21 minutes. All “sloggers” will be “re-educated” ! Papers please!

    Logan’s Run

  • RebTex

    Sub bob seems to be the correct name for this guy!
    What a wuss.
    It ” makes you have to go home and wash the stink out of my clothes” ?!
    I’m guessin’ that the ruined atmosphere is due to all the whining.
    I’m not a smoker, but I detest the whining bastards that think the whole world owes them something.

  • dawneyr

    It’s the same type of reason that the greenies try to put McDonalds out of business:

    1. Killing cows and drinking animal milk clogs the karma, dontcha know.

    2. McDonalds makes too much money for the communist palette.

    3. When you’re planning to implement socialized medicine, you’re planning social control over the population.

    The same people who are “concerned” about your health so much that they would legislate your every bite, are those who would legalize the pulling of your plug so that you will not become a drain on the publicly funded system. The humanistic lust for control snuffs the life out of the respect for freedom and life itself.

    When I read articles about the Department of Defense implementing yoga into the military to focus and relax the soldiers, and I see on CBS, a man from the military lamenting that the soldiers need metaphysical practices such as visualization to combat trauma, then I know that the government is in no sound “state of mind” to regulate matters of health.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Someone else smoking nearby:
    – causes me to have to go home and wash the stink out of my clothes
    – makes my eyes to water
    – affects the taste of my food
    – creates a generally unpleasant atmosphere

    Someone obese sitting at a nearby table causes none of those things to happen.

    So because you don’t like to be around smoke the government should force property owners to ban smoking?

    That’s not in keeping with the ideals of limited government or freedom. It’s a little annoying to see people like R108 be pro-limited government…until the issues rolls around to their pet peeve.

    Then they’re all for big government.

    Sad.

    And the analogy is spot on. Smoking bans were to save us from ourselves, and now that they’ve won (thanks in part to people who put their own personal pet peeves above the dieals of freedom) it’s opened the door to more big government. Now targeting our diets.

    Don’t worry, Rob. Even though you’re beggining to grow tusks I’m sure even the ACLU will protect your right to a cholesterol diet.

    Hey, a fat joke? How mature and insightful.

    And I certainly don’t hear the ACLU gearing up to fight the state of New York as it tries to use the tax code to regulate people’s diets.

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