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Foley And Abortion

I posted this about a week ago, but it was on a weekend and didn’t get much attention so I thought I’d post on it again.

Say you have a sixteen-year-old daughter. Your daughter is out having sex with people you don’t know without your knowledge. She gets pregnant. She goes to a guidance counselor and tells that counselor that she’s pregnant but doesn’t want to tell you, her parent, because she knows you’ll get really mad at her. This counselor asks the girl if she’d like an abortion. The girl says yes and the counselor - rather than informing you, the parent, of your daughter’s irresponsible sex life and pregnancy - arranges for her to cross the border into another state to get an abortion without your knowledge.

Democrats think this is ok. They think 16 year-old girls should be able to make decisions about their sex life and about abortions without their parent’s input. So if that’s ok, then why can’t 16 year-old boys decide to have cybersex with U.S. Representatives?

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What if the father or stepfather of the girl is the father?

If we’re going to get into hypotheticals, try that one on for size.

Do you think that in that situation “she doesn’t want to tell you, her parent, because she knows you’ll get really mad at her” holds any more water than your entire premise?

If you can’t see the difference between a girl exercising control over her own body, and a Republican predator & deviant preying on boys, you are officially an apologist hack.

What if the girls father is the father? on October 12, 2006 at 04:46 am

I have to laugh at these enablers that are working to cover up these crimes.

They’ll come up with any excuse to keep the authorities in the dark about child molestation.

I wonder why that is?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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What if the father or stepfather of the girl is the father?

If we’re going to get into hypotheticals, try that one on for size.

So...in an instance where a father is sexually abusing his child you think the best solution is to spirit the girl across state lines to get an abortion?  Rather than, you know, turning the father into the authorities for sexually abusing his child?

Whistler has it right.  That’s what an abuse enabler would do.

If you can’t see the difference between a girl exercising control over her own body, and a Republican predator & deviant preying on boys, you are officially an apologist hack.

Where’s the difference?  If a sixteen year old girl can decide to keep her sex life and the fact that she’s going to kill her unborn child from her parents then why can’t a sixteen year old boy decide to have a relationship with an older man?

For my part I don’t support either situation, I’m just wondering how Democrats who oppose parental notification can support one but not the other.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 04:53 am

They’ll come up with any excuse to keep the authorities in the dark about child molestation.

I wonder why that is?

Yeah, why did Hastert keep quiet all these years?


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Yeah, why did Hastert keep quiet all these years?

Because he wasn’t aware of the extent of what Foley was doing?

But that’s beside the point of this post, boob.  Tell me how your anti-parental-notification Democrats can support a sixteen year old girl having sex and getting abortions without her parent’s knowledge but oppose a sixteen year old boy having a relationship with an older man?

Seems pretty dang inconsistent to me.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 04:56 am
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I’m quite sure it is acceptable for a teenager to provocatively email an adult.

As for the inverse, it is unacceptable and illegal (thanks in part to Rep. Foley’s diligent legislating) for an adult to provocatively email a child.

Make sense?

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Because he wasn’t aware of the extent of what Foley was doing?

What’s the name of Haster’s aide testifying later today?


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realitybasedbob on October 12, 2006 at 05:03 am
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I’m quite sure it is acceptable for a teenager to provocatively email an adult.

As a parent, I don’t find that acceptable at all.


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Boob, let’s stay on topic.

How can Democrats support no parental notification for abortions, but be horrified at the thought of a boy above the age of consent having sex chat with an older man?


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 05:09 am
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I’m quite sure it is acceptable for a teenager to provocatively email an adult.

As a parent, I don’t find that acceptable at all.

Tell that to the author of this thread, aka you:

So if that’s ok, then why can’t 16 year-old boys decide to have cybersex with U.S. Representatives?

I merely state that it is not illegal for the child to act in that matter. As for the adult, that is another matter.

I hope that, as a parent, and perhaps adult, that you understand some activities are not sanctioned between adults and children.

So in summary: you are advocating that girls made pregnant by family-members under the age of 18 must carry the baby to term (or notify said parents,) and you are advocating predatory behaviors by adults to children.

Very sick. Get help.

so, in summary on October 12, 2006 at 05:19 am
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How can Democrats support no parental notification for abortions, but be horrified at the thought of a boy above the age of consent having sex chat with an older man?

Your hypothetical 16 year old girl is over the age of consent---as you’ve pointed out---and therefore has the right to control her body, including terminating an unwanted pregancy.

[You, of course, want to deny ALL women control over their own bodies, and we’ll just have to agree to disagree]

A 40ish* Congressman having cybersex with a page is sexual harrassment in the workplace, which if not illegal---I don’t pretend to be a law enforcement officer so I don’t know for sure---is certainly unethical.

[You, of course, will excuse any unethical behaviour as long as it’s a republican, and we’ll just have to agree to disagree]

* I actually don’t know how old Foley is, so I’m guestimating here

Don Myers on October 12, 2006 at 05:20 am
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Boob, let’s stay on topic.

How can Democrats support no parental notification for abortions, but be horrified at the thought of a boy above the age of consent having sex chat with an older man?

Again, I don’t think you follow us here.

We’re not horrified at what the kids are writing to the Republican Congressman, but rather what the Republican congressman is writing to the kids.

Capiche?

Are you apologizing for Foley’s pederasty because he likes boys or because he’s a Republican?

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So in summary: you are advocating that girls made pregnant by family-members under the age of 18 must carry the baby to term (or notify said parents,) and you are advocating predatory behaviors by adults to children.

Very sick. Get help.

Girls getting pregnant by family members are a minuscule portion of all abortions.  Democrats support laws that would allow other adults to transport my minor child across state line to a) hide her irresponsible sex life from me and b) hide her abortion from me.

There is nothing sick about that.

And, for the record, I don’t support what Foley did.  Just wondering how you guys can oppose abortion notification but get all worked up about Foley.

Bunch of enabling, hypocritical idiots.  The whole lot of you.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 05:28 am
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Bunch of enabling, hypocritical idiots.  The whole lot of you.

You are equating the woman’s right to have control over her body with advocacy of paedophilia in a vain attempt to exonerate someone’s behavior of the same political persuation.

“enabling, hypocritical, idiots” I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.

heh, whatever on October 12, 2006 at 05:32 am
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Bunch of enabling, hypocritical idiots.  The whole lot of you.

right back atcha, Mr. Strawman

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You are equating the woman’s right to have control over her body with advocacy of paedophilia in a vain attempt to exonerate someone’s behavior of the same political persuation.

It’s not the woman’s body I’m concerned about but rather the life inside it that is not part of her body but rather a separate entity.

And, for the record, Foley wasn’t a pedophile.  A creep schmuck, but the kids he corresponded with were above the age of consent.

So again, tell me why it’s ok for you to spirit my little girl off across state lines to hide her sex life and subsequent abortion from me, her responsible parent?

Because that’s what Democrats support.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 05:34 am

Rob does think 12 year olds should carry deformed kids to term after getting raped by their daddy. He didn’t deny it. Nothing wrong with flipper-kids @ all. Incest is so sweet.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 05:37 am

Your hypothetical 16 year old girl is over the age of consent---

Not in most states I believe.  However where the age of consent is 16 then it’s a problem for girls under that age.  Doesn’t that make the problem even worse? 

So in summary: you are advocating that girls made pregnant by family-members under the age of 18 must carry the baby to term (or notify said parents,) and

No at that point the authority’s should be involved.  Most pro-life people are in favor of abortion in the case of rape.  Your arguments get stupider and stupider.

you are advocating predatory behaviors by adults to children.

Exactly the opposite is true.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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Rob does think 12 year olds should carry deformed kids to term after getting raped by their daddy. He didn’t deny it. Nothing wrong with flipper-kids @ all. Incest is so sweet.

I just don’t understand why a rape or incest or a birth defect means that the unborn child doesn’t have a right to life.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 05:45 am
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I am with Rob on this one. Passing laws that encourage children be dishonest sounds wrong to me.

I just don’t understand why a rape or incest or a birth defect means that the unborn child doesn’t have a right to life.

Me either. Why wouldn’t we stop a defective person who will suffer or be a retard from living. Suffering incestual retards are just so inspiring and uplifting.  Personally I like to surround myself with them. If they do have flippers maybe it will be an exciting new chapter in our evolution, allowing us to condone incest, rape, and suffering in an aquatic habitat. Oh, wait, evolution is a commie conspiracy. Nevermind.


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So now mentally handicapped people should be put out of their misery?

I know a couple of people with Downs syndrome that would tell you they aren’t miserable at all.

Tell me, if you had a flipper arm would you want to live or die?


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 05:56 am

I’m not refering to shooting retards. I’m talking about allowing the victims of incestual rape to have abortions. Lets not digress.


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I’m not refering to shooting retards. I’m talking about allowing the victims of incestual rape to have abortions.

And I’m wondering why the child doesn’t have a right to life per the 5th amendment simply because it was the product of rape and/or incest.

The kid did nothing wrong, why kill it?  That’s unfair.  More, that’s immoral.


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Two of Rob’s comments:

for the record, Foley wasn’t a pedophile.  A creep schmuck, but the kids he corresponded with were above the age of consent.

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Bunch of enabling, hypocritical idiots.  The whole lot of you.

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Well, he isn’t a pedophile.  By law.  The age of consent is 16.

He’s still a creep, but calling him a pedophile is inaccurate.

Sorry you have a problem with the truth.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 06:17 am

I’m talking about allowing the victims of incestual rape to have abortions.

Why do you want to cover up incesual rape? 

I’m in favor of the rape and health of the mother exemptions to anti-abortion laws.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 06:57 am

So it’s ok by you to kill some kids and not ok to kill other kids.

It just depends on why you want to kill them?


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on October 12, 2006 at 07:06 am
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It just depends on why you want to kill them?

RBB,

No… it depends on whether or not they are likely to grow up to become delusional, reality challenged progressives.

Bat One on October 12, 2006 at 07:09 am

Why do you hate Americans?


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I’m in favor of the rape and health of the mother exemptions to anti-abortion laws.

I don’t think that someone who opposes abortion based on the idea that an unborn child is a life worth protecting can support abortion in instances of rape.  The child is still a life, even though it is the product of rape.

Though I agree on the medical exemption, but only because doctors have to make those sort of “flip a coin” choices all the time.  Consider a car crash that sends two critical patients to a small ER with only one doctor on duty.  Clearly the doctor has to choose one while the other dies.

In those sorts of situation, where it is either the mother or the child, I think a choice can be made.  But everything outside of that is murder.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 07:11 am
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What is the big deal withthe Foley “scandel”.  I heard kids younger then 16 used for sexual foul language at the ball court.  I have not moral problem with it.  I don’t see any actual fucking so what the problem? It is however office harassman - and he get caught. He quitted so if the government thing there are ground for criminal charge file it. 

If it is a crime, then isn’t withhelding evidents only to release for personal gain also a crime?  Republican should go on the offensive on this. The Democrats have not have problem with sexual “freedom” until it can be used as a weapon th club Republican with.

As for the abortion issue. I never believed that a woman have a “right to her body” including abortion.  I don’t care if the woman have a right to live neither so all is fair.  One less fetus one less future criminal. On less woman a whole less future criminals.

Anh on October 12, 2006 at 07:49 am

one of yours?


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realitybasedbob on October 12, 2006 at 07:54 am
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I knew I guy that was the product of a rape, I forgot to ask him, but I figured he was glad to be alive or else he would have killed himself. So, if a mother doesn’t want to raise a child that was conceived through rape, she can give him/her up for adoption (or sell him/her on Ebay).

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Good call realitybasedbob, I laughed hard for about 5 minutes.

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Nearly finished laughing now, thanks bob.

If a woman has control over her body, then she has the complete responsibility for what happens with and to her body, right?  If she gets pregnant, then she is responsible for that happening, right?  The developing child is then in charge of its own body, right?(especially if it’s female, I guess), so why doesn’t that body have a right to live? Why should the mother have the power of life and death over it?  It’s not her body, but the body of another.  Why should she be able to take life at her whim?  The individual DNA profile proves the existence of another person within that woman’s body.


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robert108 on October 12, 2006 at 08:18 am
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Robert108,

How DARE you bring up the question of responsibiliity!  You know perfectly well that the only time responsibility becomes an issue is when lefties are intent on blaming those of us in/on the Right for not doing what they themselves should have done if only they’d had the judgment and the stones to do so.

“Personal Responsiblity” like “Consequences” are simply not to be acknowledged in effete, politically correct discussions.  Shame on you, Sir!  Next, you’ll probably be suggesting that right and wrong are not situationally contingent, and that Good and Evil actually exist too.

Bat One on October 12, 2006 at 08:42 am

Bat: Definitely.  I have always maintained that, because of the feminist assertion of absolute power of a woman over her body, that women are completely responsibile for every child born, and under Equal Protection, men cannot be legally compelled to support the children of any woman.  Fatherhood doesn’t exist, in a legal sense, due to the feminist influence on our legal system, and it’s about time the public was informed of this fact.


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robert108 on October 12, 2006 at 08:45 am
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Robert108: You cheauvenist pig, get your laws off my body! That’s what I’d say if I was a selfish irrational feminist (only a subset of feminists). “Get your laws off my body” is also what I’d say if I were an anarchist.

I don’t quite know why a woman would want to kill their baby. Its not like they’ll ever do anything more important than raise a child (or children), though it is a huge lifestyle change. That may sound sexist, but from an evolution point of view, if you don’t propagate your genes, you are a dead-end, a failure. Damn, I just called myself a failure :(

Rob:

So now mentally handicapped people should be put out of their misery?

If the parents have no problem with it, they should have that option. No rights are usurped.

I know a couple of people with Downs syndrome that would tell you they aren’t miserable at all.

It sounds like those parents wouldn’t want to end their child’s life.
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If the parents have no problem with it, they should have that option. No rights are usurped.

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It sounds like those parents wouldn’t want to end their child’s life.

Right.  Because the 5th amendment doesn’t apply to the mentally handicapped.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 09:24 am

AV: Get those laws off my body?  I think not.  They love Roe v Wade, don’t they?  I guess some laws are OK, then.  I’m still laughing, btw.


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robert108 on October 12, 2006 at 09:31 am

Because the 5th amendment doesn’t apply to the mentally handicapped.

Of course not. The 5th amendment does not protect all homo sapiens, only “persons.” Read it again. You need the characteristics of personhood for the 5th amendment to apply. This ain’t rocket science.
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Of course not. The 5th amendment does not protect all homo sapiens, only “persons.”

Right, and folks who have Downs syndrome aren’t people.

Gotcha.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 09:57 am

Actually the Fifth Amendment applies to all humans who are US citizens, not all homo sapiens, but all homo sapiens who are US citizens.


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robert108 on October 12, 2006 at 10:05 am

Right, and folks who have Downs syndrome aren’t people.

Can you really be this dense? Of course they aren’t. This is not controversial now, and it wasn’t controversial when the 5th Amendment was written. There’s a reason the 5th Amendment does NOT say “No HUMAN shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law"--it’s because it takes more than the presence of human DNA to be protected under that amendment--it takes personhood.
Dave_Comet on October 12, 2006 at 10:06 am

What you’re doing, Rob, is called judicial activism. You normally decry this. You’re saying the Constitution says something different from what it actually says; you’re “interpreting” it.

Dave_Comet on October 12, 2006 at 10:08 am

What you are doing, Dave, is defining “person” to suit your agenda. Now that is judicial activism.  Who are you to say that “person” doesn’t include a human fetus in the womb?  Is that anywhere in the Constitution?  In the spirit of the Tenth Amendment, anything not specifically granted to the Federal govt remains with the states or the people.  The way I read that, the use of the word “person” doesn’t exclude anybody human, only non-humans. Unless you can find something to the contrary to that in the Constitution.


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You’re saying the Constitution says something different from what it actually says; you’re “interpreting” it.

It’s all about what the definition of a “person” is.  You’re saying that mentally handicapped people aren’t people, and since pretty much everyone who is not as dumb as you are disagrees with you I’m going to go with the assumption that I’m right and you’re wrong.

According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the legal definition of “person” (see definition six) is “A human...”

Mentally handicapped people are humans, as are just conceived babies who are in the early stages of their development.

The only one engaging in ridiculous interpretations is you.


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Rob on October 12, 2006 at 10:16 am

You’re saying that mentally handicapped people aren’t people, and since pretty much everyone who is not as dumb as you are disagrees with you

Including that idiot John Locke, and virtually every other philosopher who’s ever tackled the issue of personhood.

Though citing the dictionary is great! Truly an astute scholar, Sir Rob!

Dave_Comet on October 12, 2006 at 10:24 am

I’d love to be able to ask the fetus if it were alive. I’m sure the answer would be enlightening.

It’s amazing that the same people who would vilify someone for killing an unwanted kitten or puppy can support aborting an unwanted child.

The liberal mindset is astonishing....climb a tree to keep it from being cut down but aborting a child is alright. Absolutely stunning in its idiocy.

To the subject....a child has to have parental permission to get a tattoo, but not an abortion? Can you lefties be any more illogical?


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Pilgrim on October 12, 2006 at 11:22 am

If the human fetus were not alive, there would be no need to kill it.  Duh.


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robert108 on October 12, 2006 at 11:25 am

I’d love to be able to ask the fetus if it were alive.

You can. Walk up to a pregnanat woman, bend down to her stomach, and start talking. Anyone can do it.

I’m sure the answer would be enlightening.

You would not receive an intelligible answer, as fetuses lack rationality.
Dave_Comet on October 12, 2006 at 11:55 am

Dave_Comet-

“Fetuses lack rationality.”

So, apparently, do you. Give me a rational reply to the rest of my post.


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Pilgrim on October 12, 2006 at 12:45 pm

It’s easier to justify abortion when you can cry that the fetus isn’t human after all, is it?

Another twist of logic from the left.....they’re rabidly anti-death penalty but rabidly pro-abortion. So....defend a convicted killer but execute an innocent child. Go figure.


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Pilgrim on October 12, 2006 at 01:27 pm

I think anti-abortion and pro-death penalty stances are not reconcilable. I don’t get it. Is that why some of you like abortions iff (that means ‘if and only if’wink the mother has a chance of dying… like the fetus is killing her so its ok because we can give it the death penalty.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 03:17 pm

A baby is innocent.  A person condemned to die in a court of law is guilty.

There is the difference.  You may not kill an innocent life.

Maybe you don’t agree, but don’t claim that it’s not consistent.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 03:21 pm

What if the baby will be a killer!?! If we can go into Iraq pre-emptively then why can’t we do some baby (woops, i mean zygote) killing along the same lines?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 03:23 pm

wrong in every way.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 03:25 pm

Sooooo. You saying it was wrong of us to go into Iraq eh? I follow you.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 03:26 pm

You’re still wrong in every way.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 03:27 pm

Sooooo. You saying it was wrong of us to go into Iraq eh? I follow you.

Only if the fetuses are terrorist dictators.  You can’t seem to think very well.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on October 12, 2006 at 03:31 pm

Teri Schiavo was an innocent person condemed to die by a court decision!

Zsa Zsa on October 12, 2006 at 03:33 pm

Wow! The hoops some people jump through and the twists in logic that are used in order to defend abortion are simply amazing.

Well done “liberals”.

likwidshoe on October 12, 2006 at 03:33 pm

Terri Shaivo was no longer a person. Anyone knowsw that. I think she was hardly and earthworm. Also - what happened to states rights on that one. You right wingers let social shit trump the structure. Too bad. Big loss there.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 03:34 pm

The hoops some people jump through and the twists in logic that are used in order to defend abortion are simply amazing.

Hey. I don’t believe in etherial shit like heaven so dont diss on my logic.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 03:36 pm

Hey. I don’t believe in etherial shit like heaven so dont diss on my logic.

Well,..good for you. Neither do I.

Care to stay on topic now or do you just want to jump through more hoops?

You make my point.

likwidshoe on October 12, 2006 at 03:40 pm

Also - what happened to states rights on that one.

There was a bill of right connection.  Besides the Florida legislature expressed the wish to have her spared.  The state judge ignored the law.

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 03:41 pm

Neither are you, But we put up with you!

Zsa Zsa on October 12, 2006 at 03:41 pm

Terri Shaivo was no longer a person.

In your opinion.  You should never be in a position of responsibility in this world.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on October 12, 2006 at 03:45 pm

There was a bill of right connection.  Besides the Florida legislature expressed the wish to have her spared.  The state judge ignored the law.

you guys will twist the shit out of anything to justify it eh? most of the time i joke on here… i mock the shit logic all of you use. you are so friggin chauvinist you cant even tell what kind of shit logic you are spouting.
the law said her hubby had the switch. he wanted to off her. no ifs ands or buts dudes.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 03:45 pm

The state legislature of Florida passed a law to save her life.  You’re living in a dreamworld.

On October 15, 2003, Schiavo’s feeding tube was removed. Within a week, when the Schindlers’ final appeal was exhausted, the Florida Legislature passed “Terri’s Law,"[25] giving Governor Jeb Bush the authority to intervene in the case.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 03:50 pm

sparkie, you are as close to a non-person as one can get.  No soul, no hope, no future, apparently no compassion for anyone.  Pretty pathetic.

it seems you just are a dualist. i would be considered a type f monist, philisophically. i have hope and a future thanks. i’m married. i will soon have a phd. then it’ll be dr sparkie fuckers! i also have lots of compassion. for example i am saddened when our GIs shoot children in Iraq and when Isreali bombs blow up philistine (ooops, did that slip? i mean palestine) children…


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 12, 2006 at 03:51 pm

Sparkie ‘Freedom Fighter’ Arbuckle continues the rudeness, you guys will twist the shit out of anything to justify it eh?

No. The Whistler was correct in stating that the state legislature wanted her spared and that it was a judge who overruled.

most of the time i joke on here… i mock the shit logic all of you use. you are so friggin chauvinist you cant even tell what kind of shit logic you are spouting.

You aren’t here in good faith. In any regard, a good example of “so friggin chauvinist” was made by you.

the law said her hubby had the switch. he wanted to off her.

He wanted to off her. Nice choice of words! Sounds like a mafia hitman.

likwidshoe on October 12, 2006 at 03:52 pm

he wanted to off her.

Good catch Lik; sparkle farkle was right once.  Wow!


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 03:55 pm

You know what? I’m getting to the point where, while I am still against the barbaric practice of abortion, I will no longer care. If liberals want to kill off their children, who am I to stop them? Maybe they’re right and the world will be a better place without their offspring.

It just seems that it’s not worth it anymore to spend so much of my time defending the lives of a liberal’s child. Screw it. Kill them off.

likwidshoe on October 12, 2006 at 04:00 pm

Lik...IF anyone could change ones mind about abortion??? It would be someone like Sparkie…

Zsa Zsa on October 12, 2006 at 04:07 pm

Lik it would be better if the liberals killed their childrens parents(father if they are a male and mother if they are female.) before the children were conceived.

That would be better.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 04:13 pm

This guy Sparkie exemplifies, in wide screen technicholor stereo surround-sound, the stupidity and illogic, not to mention the rudeness, of the left.

The government, up to and including the Jeb Bush administration, had no business getting involved in the Schiavo case. The choice of words (that he decided to “off” her) ol’ Sparkie uses just shows the degree of shallowness of thought that emotion reacting people like him (lefties) have.

Try using your brain, sparkie. You need one on this site. It ain’t Huffington.


The future ain’t what it used to be.....

Pilgrim on October 12, 2006 at 05:05 pm

Sparkle claims to soon have a PHD.  Which in her case must mean piled higher and deeper.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 12, 2006 at 05:07 pm