“Please do not feed the seagulls, as they may attack small children.” i wonder, could the same be said for troll/diane?

Naw..diane attacks logic, common sense and reason.

diane’s delusions, I hope the same will happen for the United States; that is, that they won’t forget this one and stay at home and build up their defenses, not spend tax dollars on useless, bloody, immoral foreign wars which are totally unnecessary. But I doubt it.

Well there it is – you come out and say that you want the United States to be defeated. (Here is your cue to claim that you really do support the troops.)

Also noted that you are describing a war that doesn’t exist (useless, immoral, totally unnecessary).

Tu, I see you can hear past the loud humming sound here.

And I bet you can guess that my first post wasn’t defending people killing their own children as well.

I also hope you won’t hold it against me that I get a modicum of pleasure seeing these ‘folk’ slipping on their own ice constantly.

Well, docdave, I consider you an unuseful idiot to anyone, so your suggestion bears that out.
However, Israel shouldn’t try to ‘do its’ thing’ because not every time it acts arrogant will it succeed. You see, they are not ‘God’s chosen’ and they have no special blessings or protection. What they have is the United States vomiting out dollars at them like a slot machine gone awry. Those Israeli soldiers looked like they were about to party, not slaughter innocent Palestinians once again.

People might hate their rulers

Assad and Ahmadinejad are both popular with their people, from everything I’ve heard. Anything to show otherwise?

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Israel already had a pretty bad experience occupying southern Lebanon. I don’t think they’re eager to repeat the experiment.

I hope the same will happen for the United States; that is, that they won’t forget this one and stay at home and build up their defenses, not spend tax dollars on useless, bloody, immoral foreign wars which are totally unnecessary. But I doubt it.

Diane, seriously, who outside the Middle East should or would conduct the reprisals against Israel?

Zsa Zsa on June 28, 2006 at 8:31 PM

I said no one has and no one would, Zsa. They are ‘golden’. Who should or would conduct not only any ‘reprisals’ but a pre-emptive strike against Arabs?

Guess.

Hint: Approx. 120,000 of this rogue country’s military with boots on ground in Iraq right now.

What the Palestinians needs now is human shields. If Americans show up to be human shields, then Israel couldn’t attack!

Where could we find a person to be a human shield…? It would have to be someone who really loves Palestinians more than anything…

Khen McChrakhen says: Your naive trust in the polling accuracy of the Iranian and Syrian regimes is pretty funny Dhiane, and utterly typical for you.

Ken McCracken on June 28, 2006 at 9:17 PM

Heck, Khen, it might even rival your complete and utter trust in ours.

Daniel wrongly concludes again. I think it’s unacceptable for Israelis to murder a 13-year-old Palestinian schoolgirl. I think it’s wrong for Palestinians to murder an 18-year-old Israeli.

What about that escapes you? Don’t you agree? Or do you think Israelis should continue to murder Palestinian children?

Khen exclaims:
Besides Dhiane, the Iranian mullahs actually are rather unpopular – that is why workers, students and Azeris are rioting there. Or didn’t you know about that.

Ken McCracken on June 28, 2006 at 9:32 PM

Where did I mention any popularity polls on Iranian mullahs, Khen??? I said Ahmadinejad and Assad.

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lik hisses:
What does that matter? I support the police officers’ jobs and when they die in the line of duty, using your brand of non-logic, I am “indirectly responsible” for their deaths because I support their mission.

You were comparing it to my saying your support of Bush made you indirectly responsible for the deaths caused by his war on Iraq. Therefore, a logical comparison would be if you supported the mayor of the city of the police you were talking about, or even the police captain, who might both be aggressive and allowing police officers to exploit innocent civilians, which happens.Try to keep up or stay out of the loop.

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Paulie excitedly rambles:
What do you know! Diane agrees with the Bush administration in this area and I don’t. How does it feel to support the Bush administration? Are you feeling sick to your stomach? You are a Bush lover! Diane loves Bush! Diane loves Bush!

Which proves how unbiased I am and how I base my opinions action by action. Boy, that must sting to have proven it by your own words.

And of course you don’t care about my service. You, Diane, don’t support the troops.

Not blindly, not for anything they do. Do you?
If so, you are a moron and similar to the Germans of Hitler’s day.

What do you know! Diane agrees with the Bush administration in this area and I don’t. How does it feel to support the Bush administration? Are you feeling sick to your stomach? You are a Bush lover! Diane loves Bush! Diane loves Bush!

Yeah, I can’t stand what’s happening in this country either. Read my first post in this thread.

And of course you don’t care about my service. You, Diane, don’t support the troops.

You’re saying that PhD Ahmadinejad is simply a puppet of the mullahs?

Wow Dhiane, you figured that out all by yourself?

Tu, it seems obvious to me that Israel has been planning something like this ever since being forced to leave Gaza. There has been the constant harassment at the border by Israel, there have been the refusal to accept the results of a democratic election by Palestinians of their choice of a government, insults and even the comment by an ex-Israeli official that the Hamas officials were targets for assassination. They’ve been poking at Hamas (as they have all Palestinians for years) with a sharp stick, waiting for some response. I was amazed at Hamas’ control. You can see how the United States responds when even one incident happens to their citizens.

I doubt Israel ever intended to stay out of Gaza for longer than absolutely necessary. And, of course, the United States provides them with not only the armaments and dollars, but the protection of ‘my bodyguard’ at the United Nations to just ‘do their thing’.

I can’t imagine how the Palestinians have managed to maintain any kind of identity being treated like subhumans for half a century, but they have. And they will not be destroyed this time either. They will live to fight another day, regardless of the superiority of the Israeli U.S.-financed war machine.

Israel is a mini-U.S., after all.

No, it doesn’t sting at all. It should bother you. You put so much energy in hating the Bush administration, but now you love Bush. You love him so much!

You don’t support the troops. Never claim to.

Cripes, turn around and argument moves on with out you. I can’t believe you people get worked up in a lather because of one liberal.

Um, I’m not a liberal because you say I’m one.
I voted for Bush in 2000. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2004. Not liking Bush or his policies and being anti-war does NOT, repeat NOT make me a ‘liberal’. I am anti-abortion and most of my stands would make liberals call me ‘conservative’. Both sides are upset that I actually think out each issue, not just parrot as they do.

You are all a riot.

Unfortunatey, Israel has made a habit of murdering Palestinians and now

Unfortunately, the Palestinians decided to murder their 18 year old prisoner.

Paulie B on June 28, 2006 at 10:03 PM

Violence begets violence. The stronger have an obligation to set the example. Israel should do as they say, not expect something they themselves don’t hold by.

You know, Paulie, Boy, lik: If you children would just post on the topic instead of focusing on me, the blog would immediately be improved.

I have to stay here just to keep things from getting bogged down in absolutely NeoCon inanity and it’s so wearing at times, but I’m tough.

Still, concentrating less on me and more on issues would be an improvement. I hope you’ll at least think about it.

diane spits out, lik whines:

You’re projecting again.

Well, okay. I’ll backtrack. You are only indirectly responsible because you support the guy who is.

Oh. So I guess I am “indirectly responsible” for every single police officer who dies in the line of duty, right? Same logic.

I guess pointing this out to you will now be considered “whining”.

Dhiane, I know you don’t know this, but the mullahs are the ones in Iran with all the power, Ahmadinejad is little more than a figurehead, so any ‘polls’ in Iran about his popularity are rather irrelevent.

I didn’t know that the Israelis were holding any Palestinian children as prisoners, and I didn’t know that they executed them while they were in their prisons. News to me.

diane says, Call away. You can be wrong as often as you please.

Wrong? You’re projecting again.

Now get upset.

Cripes, turn around and argument moves on with out you. I can’t believe you people get worked up in a lather because of one liberal.

To continue the debate with Docdave:

As far as Israel accomplishing what I posted, all one has to do is look back into history and see what a much weaker and smaller Israel did to the entire Arab community which then included both Jordon and Egypt.

Winning a war is easier than winning the peace. We crushed Iraq but it’s not so easy to make it a peaceful place. I think we’re doing our best with far more resources than Israel could ever bring to bear and it ain’t happening yet.

I believe that once the hatred indoctrination is removed from the Arab societies, the races can live reasonably peacefully together. Jordan is one example of that.

Jordan is a monarchy, for one thing. For another, I don’t think the Arabs there are any more fond of Israel since a large proportion of them happen to be displaced Palestinians.

At any rate, where do you think the “hatred indoctrination” comes from? It’s not a few guys at the top, but an ingrained part of society. Arabs still hold a grudge over the Crusades, what do you think the Jews can do to overturn that sort of conviction? Who’s going to listen to people they think of as their greatest enemy? Can you imagine the Soviets telling us that all they want is peace and acceptance?

I’m assuming you’re talking about turning off the hatred with diplomacy and not bombs. Threats don’t make people love you and, even though I like Machiavelli, it really is better in the long run to be loved than to be feared.

Tu, I tried to respond to you last night, but one of these freedom loving faux patriots had banned me AND removed my last post. As duplicitous as their politics.

So, let’s try again:

Sorry, Diane. Most people that side with Palestinians tend to be liberal, but I’m sure a conservative can be critical of Israel, too.

I’m aware of that but I’m glad you have the intelligence to see that there can be times when that is not the case, as now. However, I’m not ‘a conservative’ either. I’m conservative on most ISSUES, ‘liberal’ on the war and Bush.

Correction: I can’t believe you people get worked up in a lather because of one person who doesn’t think like you.

It has something to do with intelligence, I believe Tu. And being highly emotional and unstable. I can’t really come up with better reasons than that. Still, it’s interesting to watch.

Yeah, it’s hard for the Palestinians to maintain their Jordanian identity when Jordan won’t let them into the country.

Paulie B on June 29, 2006 at 8:44 PM

Almost as hard as for them to understand why European people who practice Judaism forced them out of their homes? Actually, would you like to back up that Palestinians are not allowed into Jordan?

I know that only Jews can have first class citizenship in stolen Israel, but I wasn’t aware that what you say is anything more than your own wild ranting.

Tu: You can’t get haters to love you, no matter what you do. A rabid dog can’t be tamed; it has to be killed.

That’s sounds really clever but it would be a totally stupid foreign policy.

For Israel to kill all the people that hate it, it would probably have to nuke the Middle East and many parts of Europe.

Assuming you are talking about the assassination program of the last few years, they can only be pulled off within Israeli and Palestinian territories. Try it in Lebanon, Syria or Iran and Israel would reap far more hatred than before. Again, people tend to be angry when foreigners come and drop bombs on them even if said foreigners are only trying to kill extremists. You won’t be very happy if, let’s say, the French decided to drop bombs on the white supremacists in Idaho.

Violence can be a useful policy tool but the practical applications are very limited.

if any of the other arab countries actually cared about the “palestinians” (read: “displaced arabs”), they would have taken them in long ago. the only reason they’re left living in squalor is so the rest of the arab nations have an excuse to hate israel.

also, once the “palestinians” have violated a cease-fire/treaty (which usually doesn’t take very long), israel is well within its rights to retaliate.

AHH! Now Dhimi wants to stick to the topic! How refreshing. I wonder how long it will last this time? Should I call the mark, or leave it open?

And, of course, Boy will soon be here patting himself on the back for predicting my quick response. (Boy is my pet name for Hotel, whose mouth resembles the inside of a clogged sewer.)

“That’s silly. Even Osama bin Laden is only going as far as trying to get Americans and Westerners out of Muslim lands.”

This is a popular leftie fantasy. Islam declared war on the rest of the world over 1300 years ago, and they haven’t repudiated that, as far as I know.
“Islamophobia” means a morbid fear of Islam, and is a clinical mental illness. Those of us who don’t want to be killed or subjugated don’t have a morbid fear of Islam; we just want to be free to live our lives, and are willing to do whatever it takes to keep the drooling jihadists from taking that away from us. If you want to wear blinders, that is your choice, but most of us aren’t buying that bridge to nowhere. Were the Twin Towers on Muslim land? Muslim land is only that way because of violent imperialism on the part of Islam. The original inhabitants of those areas might beg to differ with you, but they are unable to speak, because they were beheaded. Violence begets violence, and the Islamic fundamentalists have a lot of violence coming their way. Zarqawi got harvested.

Thanks for the encouragement, America Hater. Those who support the war are America haters. I’m not responsible for 2500+ dead U.S. kids..you are. Yes, you. Not insurgents, not terrorists……you, Mr. Faux Patriot.

Boy, what ARE you rambling about?

Robert108:
How many Muslims were there in the time of Abraham?

robert108 on June 29, 2006 at 9:29 PM

And that makes some kind of point? If so, what is it?

There were no Jews in the time of Abraham either. Abraham was not a Jew himself.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.

Tu: You misconstrued what I said. I understood you to say that we should try to get those who hate us to love us, which has been tried over and over again throughout human history. I pointed out the futility of that strategy. All we can really do is to be ourselves, be proud of it, and hold off the savages until they decide to be civilized; then progress will be made, not before. If they are truly as infected with hate as a rabid dog is with rabies, then there is only one solution. With humans, there is always hope, IMO. They have to choose to love us, we can’t make them unchoose their hate. Hate causes moral blindness, thus their choice of illegal and immoral terrorism. If the Israelis are the terrorists, why did they voluntarily leave Gaza, and why did they build the wall? Finally, where are the Israeli suicide bombers?

What a great idea! A Philistine state. Let’s gather together all the Philistines, expecially those who are “6 cubits and a span” tall and petition the UN to grant then their own state. Certainly they can’t do a worse job of self-government and economic independence than the Palestinians have.

Oh… the Philistines ARE Palestinians? Never mind! Probably wouldn’t have worked anyway. I understand the Israelis have lots of kids who are really good with slingshots. Doesn’t seem like today’s Palestinians are any better at this warfare stuff than their Biblical forebears.

Wow! 9 minutes, it must have been thinking hard to get just the right, cutting remark. Too bad it failed, yet again.

2H9, She had to unscrew the lightbulb before posting. (Her lightbulb is pretty dim, and because of another thread, I know why!)

Hey Dhiane, don’t feel like it is your duty to spread ignorance and laughable stupidity in each and every thread you come across.

You could actually spare us from that you know.

And now the denials and equivicating. It lies only to it’s self. My docs are done translating, I am going back to work. Later, gang.

diane: You fabricate as usual. When I spoke of the area known as Palestine in Roman times, I referred to some of the inhabitants as Hebrews. You get it wrong every time, it seems. I don’t confuse Muslims with Arabs. Without the terrorism and “conversion by the sword” many Arabs would undoubtedly choose to be something else, but they have no choice.

Daniel, bumbles:
stolen, you say? not by the jews, but from them. the jews have had claim to that land for at least 2000 years, and likely closer to 3000 or 4000. that’s longer than the area has been referred as “palestine,” and at least 600 years before muhammed started spreading his religion at sword point.

So, here is that old Zionist, christian Zionist error again. Let’s take it step by step:

The “Jews” did not start from Abraham. The twelve tribes of Israel were the sons of Jacob (renamed Israel) who received the Mosaic Law and were to go and take the Promised Land from its inhabitants BY WAR. (Funny how you say Mohammad converted by swordpoint, but never mention how the Israelites slaughtered whole towns including the babies and animals to take land).

Secondly, the Israelites never took all the land.

Thirdly, Palestine was once called Philistia or the land of the Philistines.

Fouthly, Israel and Judah were two separate kingdoms since the time of Solomon’s son, and were BOTH dissolved and taken into captivity, Israel (Samaria the capital) by Assyria and Judah (Jerusalem the capital) by Babylon.

Fifthly, some of the Israelites returned from captivity to what had been their land but NEVER REGAINED CONTROL OF IT until it was parceled out to some European Jews who may or may not have a drop of Abraham’s blood in them by the United Nations, as some kind of mutated democracy.

Sixthly, the state of Israel today does NOT fit into any Biblical guidelines AT ALL, there are no tribal divisions of land, no Levitical priesthood as set up by Moses, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

So, don’t try to pull some silliness.

i haven’t heard anybody arguing for the creation of a philistine state.

Nor have I heard of anyone calling for the establishment of Judah. So what? Nor have I heard Israelis called Israelites or ‘men of Judah and Jerusalem’ as they were ‘way back when’.

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Secondly, the Israelites never took all the land.
so that makes it ok for the “palestinians” to launch rockets into the part they did take?

It totally destroys any point you tried to make about their former control of the land. And it certainly does give the right to the occupants who they recently threw out to fight for it.

(Funny how you forgot to mention that many of the people Israel killed practiced a religion that involved child sacrifice).

It wasn’t Israel at the time. There was no kingdom at that time. They had to fight to take over territory (and never took over all they had been directed to) and then there were judges and then kings. And then divided kingdoms and then exiled kingdoms.

Funny how you forget to mention how God says Judah and Israel both became even WORSE than those they had kicked out, and how they were punished for it by being REMOVED from the land by God’s judgement BY people from Assyria and Babylon.

Fouthly, Israel and Judah were two separate kingdoms since the time of Solomon’s son, and were BOTH dissolved and taken into captivity, Israel (Samaria the capital) by Assyria and Judah (Jerusalem the capital) by Babylon.

is it just me, or does that seem to be proving my point about the jews having their land stolen?

Do you call God’s judgement on them by having them defeated and exiled ‘having their land stolen’?

diane twists in the wind trying to excuse her own thinking, Last time I looked, most police officers were local, not federal, employees.

What does that matter? I support the police officers’ jobs and when they die in the line of duty, using your brand of non-logic, I am “indirectly responsible” for their deaths because I support their mission.

If there is any logic there at all, I’d like you to explain it.

There is no logic there at all. It’s your thinking!

And it would appear the haters have chosen.

Tu, have you any concept of what Islam is? Of its basic precepts? Convert or Die. What part of that do you not understand? Those in Islam who put forward the idea of coexsistance are a tiny minority, and face persecution,torture, and death for even speaking of such ideas. Are you honestly this clueless? With your familial background that is a bit hard to believe.

Bat: Lefties love Marx, don’t you know?

Boy, this is by far THE most stupid thing ever said on this blog (though I admit there have been some I missed).

Those in Islam who put forward the idea of coexsistance are a tiny minority, and face persecution,torture, and death for even speaking of such ideas

There are over one billion Muslims in the world.
The vast majority are lovely, family oriented, gentle people who coexist with you and I and everyone else all over the world every day, under no threat for doing so.

You are either a nut or.

No, you ARE a nut it appears.

And that’s why you made #2, after Khen, in my most stupid poster of the year awards.

Dhimi runs to the defence of her Wahabist masters, yet again. Stupid cunt.

Doesn’t seem like today’s Palestinians are any better at this warfare stuff than their Biblical forebears.

I suggest that we call the Israelis “Hebrews/Judaens/Canaanites/Samaritans” because we have no idea who they REALLY are anyway.

As to who was better at warfare, I guess the fact that, until the U.N. gave some land to some European Jews who asked other Jews to join them in the part, the fact that no Jew had control of Middle Eastern land for thousands of years pretty much says it all.

I wonder how adept at warfare the Ashkenazis would be without billions from Big Daddy U.S.?

They’d most likely be back to using slingshots, or ‘instruments of war’ on the ends of the wall shooting large stones.

You should remember, BatOne, Bible scholar that you are, that, for the IsraelITES (as opposed to these Israeli folks), the control and keeping of land was dependent on their obedience to God.
Not on their skills.

They lost battles when they leaned on man, as these ‘Israeli folks’ are doing today.

And, of course, BatOne, New Testament scholar that you are, you should know that Jesus said that you cannot have the Father without believing in the Son, which they don’t.

So, who is it they are worshipping anyway? In you religion, you are taught that Jesus is the only way to God.

That would make them, by your own religion’s standards, anti-christ. Your New Testament says that those who deny Jesus is the Christ are anti-Christ (letters by the Apostle John: I, II, III).

So, BatOne, do you believe your religion’s teaching or have you built your altar to Zionism and are worshipping at IT?

A “spiritual” argument for the baby-murdering Palestinians, who are descendants of the murdering hordes who originally stole the land? How quaint.

Paulie, I’d suggest Israel just release some of the Palestinians they have had rotting in their miserable prisons for years for the guy. After all, they held one of their own scientists for what, 18 years, for speaking out about their nuclear facility at Dimonia. Mean-spirited and scary to be sure.

diane projects, You know, Paulie, Boy, lik: If you children would just post on the topic instead of focusing on me, the blog would immediately be improved.

You mean post on topic instead of responding to your off-topic rants?

I have to stay here just to keep things from getting bogged down in absolutely NeoCon inanity and it’s so wearing at times, but I’m tough.

Uh..we’re not “NeoCons” lady.

I know that only Jews can have first class citizenship in stolen Israel, but I wasn’t aware that what you say is anything more than your own wild ranting.

Israel was won. War after war after war waged against them and they have held their ground. It’s Israel there, not “Palestine”. They’re Israelis, not “settlers”.

diane spews, I’m not responsible for 2500+ dead U.S. kids..you are.

No we’re not.

Don’t be stupid.

See, Tu? It’s kind of sad, isn’t it? You wonder what else upsets them this easily.

You’re projecting again.

I’m going to call you on it every time.

All the old ‘stuff’ comes out of the dusty suitcases again. Who were those people living in those houses the Stern gangs threw out?

Shucks, chortle, chortle….

Israel did use diplomacy. They said they wanted their soldier back unconditionaly. Only after they said no did Israel attack.

Diane is a fool if she thinks anyone but Jihadists are responsible for US deaths. I wonder why she thinks that I am responsible for their deaths? She probably doesn’t even know why she thinks that.

Using Diane’s logic, the next time anyone attacks US forces in Iraq, we could murder the prisoners that we have.

Diane is a fool if she thinks it’s acceptable that the Palestinians murdered that teenager.

So why did Israel deny you citizenship? What did they do to you to make you renounce Judaism? Finally, we approach the truth.

If the Israelis are the terrorists, why did they voluntarily leave Gaza,

Temporarily.

And voluntarily is using the term very loosely.

See, Tu? It’s kind of sad, isn’t it? You wonder what else upsets them this easily.

Those Israeli soldiers looked like they were about to party, not slaughter innocent Palestinians once again.

You mean selectively target those “Palestinians” who slaughter innocents.

I wish we still had the balls to take such serious action.