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Friday, March 14, 2008

Flashback: Religion Matters When We’re Talking About A Republican

Remember when CNN ran those fun facts about Mormonism during Mitt Romney’s speech about religion?

They talked about how Mormons in the past promoted polygamy and excluded blacks.  But now that Obama’s reverend his screaming about “whitey” from his podium right up until this last Sunday suddenly a candidate’s religion isn’t relevant according to people like CNN’s own Anderson Cooper?

This is what Cooper was saying about religion in politics in May of last year:

Weather is the lead tonight, on a night we’re talking about God and politics and public life, there is weather of biblical proportions all across the country, including the remains of a wildfire that threatened Los Angeles and nearly overran a squad of L.A.’s bravest. We will talk to one of them tonight who had to fight his way out of this inferno.

Also: Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith and what he says Reverend Al Sharpton said about it. Was it bigotry? And are evangelical voters intolerant when it comes to Mormons?

This is what Cooper is saying about religion in politics now that Obama is under the gun:

ANDERSON COOPER: Is this just the kind of thing that happens in campaigns? It seems we’re almost at a point now where it’s this or other issues for the Clinton campaign where people are just latching onto anything to strike a blow against their opponent. All this seems to have nothing to do with actual issues that the country is facing which these candidates should be talking about and we probably should be talking about.

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It’s also frustrating just from a news standpoint because on the one hand people are talking about it. It’s clearly an issue that’s bubbling up on the campaign trail, so we end up covering it. But at the same time it does feel just completely off track. And there have been other issues in this campaign which just felt completely off track from the real differences between these candidates, the real issues. It’s frustrating that yet again we seem to be mired in this politics as usual.

Just to review: Mormon doctrine from 34 years ago?  Relevant.

Obama’s reverend’s sermon from this last Sunday?  Not relevant.

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Now this is clearly an example of not only a double standard, but that card played yet again.  Good for one, bad for another.


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Chief RZ on March 14, 2008 at 05:10 pm
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But now that Obama’s reverend his screaming about “whitey” from his podium right up until this last Sunday suddenly a candidate’s religion isn’t relevant according to people like CNN’s own Anderson Cooper?

Uh....it’s not that his religion doesn’t matter, it’s does a single reverend who makes some silly statements matter?  The answer is undeniably, no when it comes to Obama.  It matters only to the person who is saying those things.

You keep acting like Obama is going to a church that condones racism, when in fact they talk about the abuse they suffered from racists.  I still am waiting for one of you to explain why that this idiot pastor says is racist.

Also: Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith and what he says Reverend Al Sharpton said about it. Was it bigotry? And are evangelical voters intolerant when it comes to Mormons?

It is hard to gather context from this sentence, but I think we can say quite confidently that “voters” maybe intolerant of the Mormon religion.  We certainly know you “voters” are intolerant of Obamas church.  What is the difference?

If you are trying to state there is a double standard, there is not, because he is talking about both of them.  Right?

Hannitized on March 14, 2008 at 07:03 pm

silly statements

Silly?

“America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, “We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . .”

Concluding, Mr. Wright said: “We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . .”

-Obama and the Minister I think a couple of those passed beyond silly.


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Proof on March 14, 2008 at 07:09 pm

Hannitized:  Unless I am mistaken - and please feel free to correct me if I am - Rob is pointing out the utterly different, even contradictory comments which Anderson Cooper makes about the same subject - a candidate’s religious affiliation - at different times.  I think Cooper’s hypocracy is pretty obvious, don’t you?


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pparets on March 14, 2008 at 07:33 pm
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Hannitized:  Unless I am mistaken - and please feel free to correct me if I am - Rob is pointing out the utterly different, even contradictory comments which Anderson Cooper makes about the same subject— at different times.

pparets,

Same subject?  I disagree.

Its seems to me that he is not posting what Cooper actually said about the “subject”, only that he said something after.  The fact of the matter is, he spoke about Obamas issue, and he spoke about Romney’s issue.

The obvious difference being that Obama’s pastor isn’t a “religion”, he is a single man within a church, that church is one of Christianity. Had it been a church of another religion, such as Jehovas witness, it would then be a valid comparison.

Here’s what Rob didnt link to:

We begin with a new controversy on the campaign trail. That’s right, a new one.

At issue, Barack Obama’s pastor—this man—and the fiery remarks he has made. A tape of one of his sermons—you see it there—on Hillary Clinton is all over the Web, and tonight you will hear it for yourself. Is what he says over the top? Should it even matter in this presidential race?

Barack Obama has already distanced himself, in some ways, from the pastor, but he’s also called him a spiritual adviser. What you’re about to hear is inflammatory to some. To others, harsh as it sounds, it’s the truth. That’s for you to decide, along with whether you think it has any place at all in this campaign for either candidate.

COOPER: Roland, I want to read you something that a writer for “The Denver”—a columnist from “The Denver Post” said earlier this month.

He said—and I quote—“As Obama’s largest Recipient of charitable donations, Trinity United Church of Christ is more than a fleeting distraction in the candidate’s life. This is not guilt by association. Asking Obama to clarify his connection to Wright is neither slander nor innuendo, nor is it the right-wing ‘noise machine’ in action.”

Do you think this is a fair issue to raise with Obama?

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I think Cooper’s hypocracy is pretty obvious, don’t you?

There can not be hypocrisy, because he brought both of the issues up on television.  Cooper noted that he felt this was off topic because were talking about his pastor, not his religeous affiliation.  Make sense?

Rob likes to make the issue that his pastor is a racist.  But it is not racist to talk about racism.  It is not bigotry to talk about someone’s bigotry.  As Romney and Sharpton said:

ROMNEY: Well, I—I can only, hearing that statement, wonder whether there’s not bigotry that still remains in America. That’s an extraordinary thing for someone to say. And I can’t imagine what prompted him to say something of that nature. It’s an extraordinarily bigoted kind of statement.

SHARPTON: If, prior to ‘65, ‘78, whenever it was, they did not see blacks as equal, I don’t believe that as real worshipers of God, because I don’t believe God distinguishes between people. That’s not bigotry. That is responding to their bigotry.

If it is racism to imply that people are bigoted, then Romney is a racist.  Yes?

Hannitized on March 14, 2008 at 08:27 pm
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