Fighting Sioux Name Elimination Plan on Schedule

As expected:

FORT YATES, N.D. – The Standing Rock Sioux Tribal Council has voted to reaffirm its opposition to UND’s Fighting Sioux nickname and logo, a council member says.
The tribal council’s vote last Friday was 8-1, but two members chose not to vote and six others were absent, council member David Bird said.
A settlement between UND and the NCAA gives UND three years to lobby for support of the nickname and logo among the state’s Sioux tribes. If it does not get that support, the nickname and logo will be retired.

Taken with this statement by the Chancellor and former Hoeven Chief of Staff Bill Goetz.

If those talks don’t yield a compromise by which UND may retain its nickname and logo, Goetz said he would advocate retiring the nickname and logo before the three-year window offered by a legal settlement with the NCAA is up.

“I think there’s a lot of consensus on that,”
Goetz said.

You can get some background on the matter here.
I spoke with my attorney about the settlement. He said that he has a lot of respect for the Attorney General Wayne Stenejhem and he thought that e must have had an understanding with the tribes to keep using the Sioux name.
I guess that’s the only way this deal would make sense. We had a winning case so why turn the matter over from the North Dakota court system to the political system on not one but two tribes. Now with the decision by the Standing Rock Council it makes me think that they never had a deal. I suppose there’s still a chance that the Governor will come in on his white horse (press release) and throw a lot of money at the tribes. I don’t agree with that any more than I agree with threatening them.
So taking the tribes at their word as we always should have it looks like this was a terrible settlement by the attorney general and the governor appointed Board of Higher Education. At the time this was called a “change in policy” by the Chancellor.
What to make of this. I think that a decision was made at the highest levels of the state government to deal away the name. No consideration was giving to what the Grand Forks community, alumni, fans or students thought about it. After all they know what’s best for all of us children.
Doing this under the cover of a court settlement was good camouflage. We’ve now got a signed settlement which is as binding to us as if the legislature had passed a law and the governor had signed it. The beauty of this method is that they can deny responsibility. All we’re left are a few clues like the Chancellor saying there’s a consensus to drop the name and that it’s a policy change.
But really if the attorney general is a competent lawyer with a winning case why would he accept a settlement where we have to get the agreement to get not one tribe but two’s agreement on us using the name? And why would you settle for letting them change their minds at any point?
We need new leadership in Bismarck.

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  • http://Array RealManOfGenius

    What would you do?

    If they are really offended by the use of their name and artwork and want to back out of the 1960′s agreement to use the logo, I would remove it. I would remove it all. I would also remove ALL native indian references from the school. No educational films before games, remove all historical artifacts, remove all Indian studies classes, museums, clubs, and programs, stop all special Sioux educational scholarships and student grants. Nobody will be singled out for special attention.

    I would also change the names of all buildings, roads, dorms, and parks that have any reference to native culture or language. That has to be offensive too.

    But why stop at just the college? This should be state wide. These offensive indian symbols must be removed from police cars, road signs, and all state property. I would also ban all commercial products that have native names to be sold in the state. These groups must also be horrified that money is being made by selling Tahoe’s, Cherokee’s, Commanche’s etc.

    Look at a map, look at all the cities and towns named with Indian references that are not on reservations. These should be changed. North Dakota should be called North Tundra or something that will not offend the Dakota tribes.

    Indian culture should only be used, taught, spoken, seen, and experienced on an official reservation. If that is what the tribe wants, that is what they get.

  • Bat One

    On the other hand, maybe getting rid of the “Fighting Sioux” nickname isn’t such a bad idea after all. The point of such a nickname is to highlight the schools identity, particularly its sports teams, as being strong and masculine, proud, iconic warriors.

    But considering what Rob discovered at the Turtle Mountain reservation this past summer, the abject, self-indulgent poverty, the insular dependence on government rather than self, the slothful miasma that has become the dominant culture, and the virulent reaction his observations generated here and elsewhere, maybe UND really should find itself a more fitting nickname.

  • http://totherightofwrong.blogspot.com/ Caomhin

    This is stupid. UND should keep the name and not left libtards pursue an ethnic cleansing among NCAA mascots. They are again going after Indians like Andrew Jackson…
    -Caomhin

  • RealManOfGenius

    So what should the new nickname be?

    The Pheasant Pluckers? The Majestic Interludes? The Passive-Aggressive Welshmen? The Cream-of-Wheats?

  • halatbis

    This whole issue has become a sad disappointment–a disappointment in the four parties involved–NCAA, UND, Tribes, and ND state government/leadership. All share the blame for the situation coming to this juncture. My sense is that it is time to get off this, it has become a lose/lose all the way around. The prospect of buyouts/bribes smells–it will demean UND for their efforts–the tribes will appear to be on the take–and most importantly, the general population will lower their regard for the Indian tribes. That relationship is already too sour. My own feelings are mixed–I feel that I am being vindictive and as a result I am less open to the Indian culture among us. As I said, it’s a lose/lose.

  • Bat One

    Neiman,

    Even a Marine knows that there is nothing shameful about being a member of the US Army Cavalry… and we’d be only to pleased to come get them out of whatever trouble they’ve managed to get themselves into.

  • redwolf

    realmanofgenius is soooo…. right!

  • RealManOfGenius

    Using animal names as mascots brings up another thorny issue. What if the animal rights folk stage protests over the use of a free-loving prairie dog to describe the rough and tumble hockey program. The prairie dogs just want to be left in peace and not be associated with male dominated human violence.

    The school could spend millions chiseling out all the Sioux tiles in the hockey stadium only to have to redo it all over again in a few years when the ALF comes to town.

    No, I think the only safe mascot to use for longevity would be from the plant or vegetable kingdom. Just trying to be practical.

  • halatbis

    Many of the good animal names are in use–not available if one wishes to be creative and original–available, to my knowledge, is Prairie Dogs, how about The Pronghorns?

  • Neiman

    If I recall American history, with the exception of some battles which the Indians won decisively, didn’t the Native Americans lose the war for this country? So, why do you all want to name a team or have a school logo named for a people that are losers in war, wouldn’t you prefer a name that speaks of victory to encourage the teams to victory? If so, how about abandoning this fight and call the team and the school logo the . . .

    ;-)

    The 7th Calvary Soldiers!

    Uniforms with dark blue pants and bright yellow stripes, a Logo:

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    :red:

  • http://2mdh.blogspot.com/ C. Y.

    Well, it would be kinda tough to come up with a logo for Force: a tornado? a lightning bolt?

    Just erase the feathers and make-up from the current logo.

  • ec99

    Well, it would be kinda tough to come up with a logo for Force: a tornado? a lightning bolt? Nonetheless, it was not coincidental that UND came up with this phrase AFTER the nickname controversy started.

  • Neiman

    It could be The Fighting Morons, and it’s safe because morons don’t know they are being insulted. That is, unless there is a moron support group out there with a legal office. Their slogan could be. “Huh?”

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I have a hunch Force of the North WILL be the fallback nickname.

    I don’t like it but then I won’t like any change. I guess I just won’t be buying any more UND logo clothing.

  • ec99

    Despite all the declarations to the contrary by UND, I have a hunch Force of the North WILL be the fallback nickname.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Intellectually I certainly don’t blame the tribes for doing what they think is in their best interests.

    What’s to blame is the PC culture that’s led to this. There’s not too much we can do about that. How do you replace NCAA leadership? They’re voted on by university presidents who are quite divorced from the real world.

    On the other hand we can blame state leadership for not standing up to them.

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