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Thursday, November 08, 2007

Federal Court Rules That Fathers Don’t Get A Choice

It was ruled a frivolous lawsuit.  And it was, in fact, pretty frivolous.  I disagreed with the premise of this lawsuit (I am of the belief that both the man and the woman should be held fully responsible for any offspring they create), but you’ve got to admit that these guys have a point.

The people who are in favor of keeping abortion legal in this country often tell us that they are “pro-choice.” Except, they are only pro-choice when it comes to the mother. The male in a given relationship gets no choice at all. If the mother decides to abort the baby it is aborted. If the mother decides to keep it the guy is obligated to either stay with the mother or pay child support. As far as the guy is concerned that is how it should be. You face the consequences of the decisions you make. But why, then, does the woman get to opt out after the original choice to copulate and potentially create another person is made?

Consider this case from Lufkin, Texas. A nineteen-year-old kid gets his girlfriend pregnant with twins. They both decide that they don’t want children, so with his girlfriend’s cooperation the kid gets up on her stomach and walks around a bit killing both of the unborn children.

In the end the guy was charged with two counts of murder and was convicted. He will spend the rest of his life in jail. The girl? Not charged with a thing. Why? Because she supposedly has the “right” to an abortion.

This example brings the duality of the whole abortion question into sharp focus. Why does the status of an unborn child hinge solely on the opinion of the mother? Why do we mourn miscarriages yet hold up abortions as though they were an act of bravery?

Isn’t an abortion still a death even if the mother doesn’t want it? Why does an unborn child only get to exist if the mother wants it? And why doesn’t the father of an unborn child get a say in what happens? If we are going to hold him legal responsible for any offspring shouldn’t he get a say in these “reproductive choices?” Or maybe we should just stop kidding ourselves and realize that killing an unborn child simply because the mother, and sometimes the father, don’t want it isn’t really a choice at all.

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I was also going to do the story.  My take on it was from this statement in the story:

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society’s interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents.

So now it’s for the children.  What is wrong with the court system when they’re worried about financial support and but actually make up the constitution to say these children have no right to live?

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Bill Mitchell on November 8, 2007 at 07:34 am

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Proof on November 8, 2007 at 08:24 am

Rob: I have been saying this for decades. The whole abortion situation, as it exists today, is a wholesale violation of Equal Protection; no question about it.
The real problem is that abortion on demand is a key Dem issue; they will never let go of it.  It is used to control the female vote.  They call it “a woman’s right to choose”, instead of “feticide as a method of birth control”, and thus sell it to women as a method of them being powerful.  I guess killing your child without consequence is powerful, in a way.  Denying choice to men is just a bonus for the angry, man-hating feminists.


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robert108 on November 8, 2007 at 09:04 am
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What is wrong with the court system when they’re worried about financial support and but actually make up the constitution to say these children have no right to live?

Ah yes, no unalienable rights for the unborn child. 

Kinda takes all the meaning out of unalienable, no?

HG on November 8, 2007 at 09:22 am

The whole abortion situation, as it exists today, is a wholesale violation of Equal Protection; no question about it.

It’s rather interesting that the whole legal concept of equality goes out the window when “it’s for the kids.” That is if the kid gets to be a kid.


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The Whistler on November 8, 2007 at 10:49 am

I guess killing your child without consequence is powerful, in a way.  Denying choice to men is just a bonus for the angry, man-hating feminists.

R108,

Still, looking at those “angry, man-hating feminists” ya’ gotta wonder that any of them would worry about the possibility of getting pregnant.  I don’t know about other guys, but I damn sure know I have never been that desperate… or that drunk.


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Bat One on November 8, 2007 at 11:34 am

Still, looking at those “angry, man-hating feminists” ya’ gotta wonder that any of them would worry about the possibility of getting pregnant. I
don’t know about other guys, but I damn sure know I have never been that desperate… or that drunk.

Two things: First, many women take advantage of the tactics created by the man-hating feminists when it is to their advantage, while denying that they really are feminists.
Second, many man-hating feminists use deception to get what they want, just like many other women do.

I wasn’t referring to the man-hating feminists as direct sex partners, but when they railroaded Roe v Wade through SCOTUS, it is my opinion that at least some of their motivation was to strike a blow against men and masculinity.  Just doing their bit to take down “the patriarchy”, doncha know?


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on November 8, 2007 at 11:42 am

Still, looking at those “angry, man-hating feminists” ya’ gotta wonder that any of them would worry about the possibility of getting pregnant. I
don’t know about other guys, but I damn sure know I have never been that desperate… or that drunk.

Is this just in general or are y’all talking about a specific picture?


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Anna on November 8, 2007 at 12:02 pm

Hmmmm, I would come to a completely opposite conclusion.  That the 19 year old young man from Lufkin was railroaded by the right wingers who just HAD to define an unborn as a person.  If the law were correct (it ain’t a child until it is born, just check the tax code) there would have been no charges against him.

In their blind lust to make the world live by their rules, the “right” is implementing their own version of Shariah.

Of course, that is becaus Jesus came here to make all men live under the Law, and had nothing to do with the Gospel of Grace and Mercy. [/sarcasm]

TRex


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T-Rex on November 8, 2007 at 06:55 pm

(it ain’t a child until it is born, just check the tax code)

So, the tax code is now the arbiter of your morality?  I pity you.  Your conspiracy rant is worthy of a tinfoil hat.  What shows how wrong you are is that the mother suffered absolutely no consequences, although she was equally responsible for the human fetuses.
This is “feminist law”, no doubt about it.  The feminists are pro-abortion(for women only).
If it has human DNA, it’s human.  Duh.


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robert108 on November 8, 2007 at 07:24 pm

I am still waiting for an answer to a rather simple question:

How can the fetus in the womb be considered a human being as a matter of law if it is killed by accident or an act of homicide; but if an abortionist deliberately terminates its life it is only a mass of tissue, not unlike a tumor?

How about this one, if allowed to come to term will that fetus be anything other than a human being? Then how can it only be a mass of tissue a second before birth and a human being a second later?

Otherwise, this is all a matter of liberal semantical gymnastics used to justify the deliberate, whosale slaughter of wholly innocent human beings for selfish, mostly economic reasons, a form of murderous birth control after the fact by incredibly lazy and selfish human beings, and supported by an amoral ruling class.


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Neiman on November 8, 2007 at 07:49 pm

The tax code is not the arbitor of my morality, but it is an arbitor of the law of the land.  And I rufuse to confuse the two, as some have done.  What I find morally repugnant is quite different than what I believe the law should get involved with.

I believe Christians should spend more effort on insureing we have a country that is not hostile to our way of life, (freedom to pray, spread the Gospel, and teach our own children in our own schools) and less time worrying about whether or not those outside the Church are abiding by our moral code.


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Where dissent is encouraged - But the amoral
liberal collective appeasement mindset is not

T-Rex on November 9, 2007 at 04:14 am

The tax code is not the arbitor of my morality, but it is an arbitor of the law of the land.

Only the tax law of the land.  It’s about accounting and the govt grabbing our money, not whether a human fetus is human or not; that is determined by DNA.  If it weren’t Politically Incorrect, the tax code could easily be changed to include a pregnant woman as a tax deduction, then remove that deduction if the pregnancy ended.  In other words, it’s simply an arbitrary dividing line, not a comment on the humanity of the human fetus.  Get it?


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on November 9, 2007 at 08:33 am

Can you imagine how impossible it would be to administer a tax program dealing with unborn children.

Claiming that the tax code is anything but the tax code is silly.


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The Whistler on November 9, 2007 at 08:47 am

Can you imagine how impossible it would be to administer a tax program dealing with unborn children.

The only “impossible” part would be dealing with the powerful abortion lobby.  In practice, it would be just as easy to present the IRS with the results of your pregnancy test as it would be to show them a birth certificate.  No problem. 
Taxes in this country are mostly about self-reporting, with the threat of being audited the only bar to dishonesty.
Most people cheat on their taxes to some extent, and starting the child deduction with pregnancy would change nothing in that respect.


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robert108 on November 9, 2007 at 08:58 am

No I was just concerned with the whole process of a)when did she get pregnant b) what do you do if there is a miscarriage c)what if they lied about the whole thing?

With a live birth there’s usually a birth certificate and other easily obtained proof.

Was the kid conceived on December 31st or Jan 1?


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The Whistler on November 9, 2007 at 10:39 am

With a live birth there’s usually a birth certificate and other easily obtained proof.

My point here was not to get into a detailed analysis of how such rules might be enforced, but simply to suggest that the tax code is arbitrary, when you come right down to it.  If the rules were changed, the mechanisms of verification would be created.  Demand creates supply.
The lying problem is the same; people claim dependents that they don’t have, all the time.
My overall point was to refute the contention that the tax code somehow defined humanity or personhood.  That is simply ridiculous.


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robert108 on November 9, 2007 at 10:53 am

TW: There are changes to the tax code just about every fiscal year.  That’s the real nightmare.


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robert108 on November 9, 2007 at 10:54 am

TW: There are changes to the tax code just about every fiscal year.  That’s the real nightmare.

No the real nightmare is that it’s usually for the worse.


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The Whistler on November 9, 2007 at 11:17 am

No the real nightmare is that it’s usually for the worse.

Is there any taxation that’s “for the better”?


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robert108 on November 9, 2007 at 11:40 am

In theory it could be made more better.


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The Whistler on November 9, 2007 at 12:19 pm
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