Federal Appeals Court Upholds Chicago Ban On Handguns

Which sets the stage for what could be another landmark Supreme Court ruling on gun rights.

June 2 (Bloomberg) — A Chicago ordinance banning handguns and automatic weapons within city limits was upheld by a U.S. Court of Appeals panel, which rejected a challenge by the National Rifle Association.
The unanimous three-judge panel ruled today that a U.S. Supreme Court decision last year, which recognized an individual right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment, didn’t apply to states and municipalities.
“The Supreme Court has rebuffed requests to apply the second amendment to the states,” U.S. Circuit Judge Frank Easterbrook wrote, upholding lower court decisions last year to throw out suits against Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Illinois.
The Fairfax, Virginia-based NRA sued the municipalities in June 2008, one day after the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller struck down a hand-gun ban in the U.S. capital district encompassing Washington.
“We clearly disagree with the court’s conclusion,” NRA attorney William N. Howard, a partner in Chicago’s Freeborn & Peters LLP, said in a telephone interview. “The next step will be an appeal to the Supreme Court.”

In the District of Columbia vs. Heller decision the Supreme Court upheld the notion that the 2nd amendment right to “keep and bear arms” is an individual right. Meaning that citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms for private use, including for self defense. Writing the opinion for the majority in the ruling, Justice Scalia said “we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense.” It seems to me that if the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns violates the Second Amendment, then so does Chicago’s.
Now, some would argue that there’s a difference. The District of Columbia isn’t a state. Illinois is. That is an important distinction, but in this case I believe it’s meaningless per the incorporation clause of the 14th amendment which states: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” This means that no state can remove something granted to the citizenry by the Constitution. Though it has never been specifically addressed in Constitutional law (to my knowledge anyway), gun rights are no different than religious rights or free speech rights in that they fall under the “privileges and immunities” protected by the 14th amendment.
In short, gun ownership is a right. The State of Illinois may remove that right from any given citizen through due process (a civil or criminal proceeding), but not through blanket bans.

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  • http://Array Boobalah

    I could not care less about gay marriage. If people want to get married, who cares? How does two men getting married change your marriage? Does it make it less special? If so, then you and your wife/husband have bigger problems. As far as the handgun ban goes, I own handguns, and I live in Chicago. And if Daley wants to take them, he is more than welcome to try. I’m hoping the Supreme Court hears this case, which I’m sure they will. I am hoping that they rule the ban unconstitutional, so I can see Daley get all flustered and try to impose some punitive tax on gun-owners.

  • sayanything-5371

    So, again, how does this take away a person’s civil liberties?

    How do you figure you are a conservative, again? Liberal shill, more like.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    buzz is a fucken idiot.

  • Bodhi

    But I just don’t understand the people that are offended by the fact that two men or two women want to get married. How does that affect anyone except those two people?

    I don’t care if Peter and Paul or Mary and Marilyn want to have a relationship. That’s their business and what they do under their roof is their own business. What I don’t like is the changing of a word’s definition to suit their needs. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Case closed. A civil union is between same sex couples. They have their deal, and hetrosexuals have their deal. Why do the gays need to force a change of a word to suit their own selfish agenda?

  • sayanything-5371

    Essentially Chicago is a City that operates on pure corruption. It is a liberal hell.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    So, again, how does this take away a person’s civil liberties?

    This is my question, which no one can anwer. How does not getting married ruin someone’s civil liberties? The ability to live together is unaffected. The ability to have sex is unaffected. The ability to do ANYTHING is unaffected.

    So marriage is a right ONLY if acceptance is a right.

    Since acceptance is not a right, neither is marriage.

    Silly rabbit, not talkin guns. Of course we have the right to own guns. My point is, the language seems to protect civil rights of people to marry.

    When the government bans guns, they step in and tell you what you can own, what you can do, how you can defend yourself. When the government refuses to recognize gay marriage…it does nothing. It simply says no.

    This is akin to asking a neighbor for twenty bucks and him telling you no. You are in the same boat as before. You certainly don’t have a right to his twenty bucks. You may not like it…but no harm has been done to you.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Will,

    Ye shall know them by their fruits.

    Not by what they call themselves.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Pinos-breath asks:

    So, how is Gun Rights a Federal Issue, but Gay Rights not?

    Well, the 69th Amendment, making homosexual buttfucking and the ingestion of fecal matter a protected, fundamental right, has not been ratified by a Constitutional convention.

    The Second Amendment was ratified along with the original Constitution.

    Any more stupid questions?

    (okay, okay… we know that you will continue to ask stupid questions)

  • 2Hotel9

    Boobalah, be sure to have your access points secured, and don’t waste rds. This is why I live rural, makes point defense a bit easier. And remember the words of several of our Founding Fathers, you only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

  • http://tarheelred.wordpress.com/ pino

    If you don’t think banning law abiding citizens from owning pistols for self defense is Taking away their civil liberties, this debate is over between you and I,

    Silly rabbit, not talkin guns. Of course we have the right to own guns. My point is, the language seems to protect civil rights of people to marry.

    I haven’t seen a single thing he has posted that faintly resembles what it is to be Conservative.

    You wouldn’t know Liberty if she knocked on your door and shook your hand.

    Some people apparently believe that by taking the GOP to the left and becoming essentially a quasi-conservative sprout of the democratic party they can attract back swing voters.

    Near as I can tell, I have disagreed with you on one thing….Gay Marriage.

    Further, it is YOU that are driving voters to Obama in 2012, not me. Keep talkin hate brotha, keep talkin hate.

  • Farm4$

    Buzzy, I only wish that dueling was legal. I would be a great way to end your bullshit. Sleep well buzzy, your safe, the law protects everyone, even someone like you who slings never ending bullshit. BTW, loose the JD tractor. JD does not need their fine product associtated with someone who doesn’t believe in the free enterprize system.

  • sayanything-5371

    Yeah. If someone is going to be a log cabin republican they might just as well go democrat, and good riddance.

  • AR-15

    So, how is Gun Rights a Federal Issue, but Gay Rights not?

    Finook,
    Gun rights are guaranteed to Americans by the 2nd Amendment. Remind me again which Amendment guarantees you the right to ass hammer your same sex friend and then marry them?

  • navtechie

    Unfrigging believable.

    Do these blackrobes lose 10 rounds with the StupidStick or something?

    douchebags.

  • 2Hotel9

    Just so, Kenny. The issue has never been tolerance. The left is the most intolerant segment of American society, and always has been.

    It comes down to the old parable about pulling sticks from the wall of your hut. Keep pulling them loose and eventually the hut falls in on you. That is what the left has been doing for the last 100 odd years.

  • navtechie

    ugh typo ftl.

    *Did these**

  • ews48

    The scary thing is that Sotomayer has made the same decision.

    When the states ratified the Constitution, they agreed to the 2nd Amendment. Every state that joined later agreed to the Constitution by joining.

    Marriage is a religious ceremony that is assigned legal status and implications by the state if you register your marriage. If your religion performs marriages, your right to practice your religion and all of its other ceremonies is covered under the 1st Amendment unless you can show that the practice of those ceremonies causes you harm. The state has no say in who gets married, but if it recognizes marriages from one religion, it has to recognize them all.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    The NRA people are probably clapping and cheering. This is the perfect case to put before SCOTUS on the issue of incorporation the Second Amendment as against the states.

    That is sorely needed too. Chicago is the murder capital of the nation, and not surprisingly it has the toughest gun laws (and even gun courts dedicated to nothing but gun cases).

    Does anyone really think that is just a coincidence and not a correlation?

  • http://tarheelred.wordpress.com/ pino

    Though it has never been specifically addressed in Constitutional law (to my knowledge anyway), gun rights are no different than religious rights or free speech rights in that they fall under the “privileges and immunities” protected by the 14th amendment.

    In short, gun ownership is a right. The State of Illinois may remove that right from any given citizen through due process (a civil or criminal proceeding), but not through blanket bans.

    So, how is Gun Rights a Federal Issue, but Gay Rights not?

  • 2Hotel9

    Civil Unions are legal in all states, that should end it. It does not, because it is about deconstructing our society, not marriage.

  • AR-15

    What an absolute travesty of the 2nd Amendment!
    Is anyone still wondering why gun and ammo sales are at an all-time high? Stock up or get reloading freedom lovers, the time to get some straightnin’ goin on this country is getting real close. The liberals may have to learn shit the hard way.
    Tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock……..

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. Case closed. A civil union is between same sex couples. They have their deal, and hetrosexuals have their deal. Why do the gays need to force a change of a word to suit their own selfish agenda?

    Because marriage confers societal acceptance, whereas civil union just denotes tolerance. They demand your acceptance, tolerance is not enough.

  • AR-15

    How many murders were there in Chicago yesterday? And how many of them were committed with “banned” handguns?

    Stop making so much sense 2H9, you’re going to piss off the libs.
    I would also ask how many firearms murders were done by law abiding citizens of Chi? None because they obey the ban and thugs don’t.

  • Buzz

    The liberals may have to learn shit the hard way.
    Tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock……..

    Squeeze it bitch. You are all bullshit talk. Strap one on and do some work.

    Your paper targets don’t shoot back so they? Or first.

  • AR-15

    Squeeze it bitch. You are all bullshit talk. Strap one on and do some work.
    Your paper targets don’t shoot back so they? Or first.

    I’ll do some work when, or if, the time is appropriate. If someone “strapped one on” and tried it themselves, as you are challenging me to do, that individual would be labeled a nut and be killed for nothing.
    We 3pers will know when/if the fruit will be ripe for the picking and organize. As I said Scuzz, tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock. Patience is a virtue.
    You’re correct, targets don’t shoot back, I never said I’m not scared shitless when bullets are flying at me.

  • http://tarheelred.wordpress.com/ pino

    “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

    So, again, how does this take away a person’s civil liberties?

    Oh yeah, and by the way, all references to explicit sexual acts—classy. As we speak, you people are forcing people to vote for Obama in 2012.

    More damaging than ACORN.

  • sayanything-5371

    I haven’t seen a single thing he has posted that faintly resembles what it is to be Conservative.

    Agreed. Some people apparently believe that by taking the GOP to the left and becoming essentially a quasi-conservative sprout of the democratic party they can attract back swing voters. It doesn’t work that way. The GOP lost voters because it got less conservative.

  • docdave

    Near as I can tell, I have disagreed with you on one thing….Gay Marriage.

    Really just what is your stake in this issue? Why are you supportive of this travesty? Marriage was created to protect the progeny that resulted from man-woman sexual contact. There is no progeny from homo sex so the idea of a gay marriage is ridiculous, absolutely without merit.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I’ve been saying that gays can call their union whatever the hell they want. What they can’t do, however, is demand that I recognize the union as a marriage.

    Exactly. Gays are not demanding equal rights. They have that. Gays are demanding that you abandon your principles to tell them they are pretty )in essence).

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    So marriage is a right ONLY if acceptance is a right.

    EXACTLY!

    I’ve been saying that gays can call their union whatever the hell they want. What they can’t do, however, is demand that I recognize the union as a marriage.

  • Farm4$

    I would

    It would ………. sorry should have proof read.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    What we have here is a split between the 9th Circuit (which declared the 2nd Amendment is incorporated under the 14th against state and local governments), and the 7th Circuit (which claimed they could not overturn previous Supreme Court Precedent since Heller specifically did NOT address the issue of incorporation). This should be as close to a guarantee of a hearing before the Supreme Court as one can get, given the clear split between the Circuits.

  • AR-15

    So, again, how does this take away a person’s civil liberties

    If you don’t think banning law abiding citizens from owning pistols for self defense is Taking away their civil liberties, this debate is over between you and I, Finook.

    classy. 

    I’m not classy, Finook. I am however, overflowing with common sense.

  • NoJelly

    Huh…How can you have a Constitutional “right” to something that a state may regulate and restrict?

    The act of regulation by fed or state effectively changes the definition. A Right, at least in our Constitution, is unalterable; You either have it or you don’t.

    Driving is not a Right, rather a priviledge, but there are a LOT of people out there you couldn’t convince of this. A drivers license must be earned, not born with, and the states can modify the terms and conditions by which you are allowed to use a motor vehicle.

    Voting, on the other hand, is a born Right, and likely the most abused and restricted Right this country has known, also the most ignored. You don’t have to pay for it, don’t need a 3rd grade education to do it, and according to some, it doesn’t matter how long you’ve beed dead or how many times you excercise that Right in an election…

    So we have a Constitutional Right to own and bear arms…except…? Even a Lib should be able to see the bullshit in that. In a Constitutional environment, we either all have the Right or none of us do, it’s that simple…

  • chris

    actually this case creates a 3 way split… the 9th circuit has said that the 2nd is incorporated… the 7th circuit has now rejected incorporation and the 4th circuit rejected it a bit back with the Maloney v. Cuomo case… that one is the one where Sotomayor sided with the judges that said the second amendment was not an individual right… http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2009/05/judge-sonia-sotomayor-on-guns.html

    this makes things really interesting because only the 9th circuit actually took Heller into consideration… Sotomayor wont change the balance of the court at all, so this case will not come as much of a surprise when it gets to the SCOTUS and gets incorporated…

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    You gotta ask yourself . . .

    Did the Framers intend for the Constitution to create a right to same-sex marriage?

    To think that the right to gay marriage has been sitting there hidden for over two centuries just waiting to be ‘discovered’ is a bit much.

    The Constitution is not a living and breathing document.

  • Bat One

    Huh…How can you have a Constitutional “right” to something that a state may regulate and restrict?

    The irony here is rich indeed. Those on the Left who are defending the court’s decision to uphold the Chicago city ordinance are saying that an explicit constitutional right can be regulated by the states/municipalities. Which is exactly the opposite from what they have argued for years every time a state tries to regulate the “right” to abortion.

    One more instance of leftist hypocrisy, and one more bit of proof that to those on the Left the principle of inalienable rights of individuals is only a talking point to be used to implement their anti-freedom policies.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    You guys better get on the horn to your Senators and let them know that you do not want Sotomayor on the bench. It takes awhile for cases to make it up to the Supremes. She could be on the bench by then if we do nothing.

    Call today.

    Call tomorrow.

    Get your wives, kids and dog to call too.

  • HG

    So, again, how does this take away a person’s civil liberties?

    McCracken made an excellent point. One you would do well to remember pino.

    Pino, we all, every single American, has the opportunity to marry a member of the opposite sex, right? Okay.
    And we all, every single American, are unable to marry a member of the same sex, right? Okay.

    Marriage applies equally to all. It is not necessary that every law be gender nuetral. I’m sure you can think of a few examples, but let me give you one: Domestic Partnerships. That’s right pino, only same sex couples can enter into domestic partnerships, not heterosexuals. There is one exception for a heterosexual DP where one party is over 62 and meets certain Social Security guidelines.

    Pino, come on now, use your head and quit trying to accomodate every silly notion about equality the homosexuals imagine. THERE IS NO INEQUALITY.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    But I just don’t understand the people that are offended by the fact that two men or two women want to get married.

    For one thing, even when homosexuals pair off, it isn’t monogamous. For heterosexuals, the rates for straying while in marriage is something like 18 percent for females and 24 percent for males and even then, it is considering cheating, infidelity, and until recently, a mitigation to a charge of manslaughter or murder.

    Homosexual pairings, on the other hand, usually expire between 1 and a half to three years. For those that remain together, there is close to a 100 percent cheating rate.

    What they do isn’t marriage.

    It isn’t monogamy. There is no rational basis for the State to recognize and sanction such relations because they result in no children from the union and any child raised in such a union is not going to be more moral or mentally balanced than one raised in a heterosexual household or even a single parent household.

    Failing even a rational basis for the State to bless such pairings, there certainly can be no Compelling State Interest in recognizing them.

    The State does have a compelling state interest in encouraging and regulating civil marriage in that marriages, properly done, create the fundamental societal building block — the family unit. A father, a mother and children born of their union. Ann Coulter pointed out the incredible harm caused by and associated with single parent families (as they are euphemistically called)

    Thus, the State steps in and prevents marriage between:

    - homosexuals
    - those too closely related by blood
    - those already married to someone else
    - between humans and animals or things

    At one time they also screened for disease, but I imagine that has fallen into disuse as well.

    It would be proper for the State to limit itself to a civil definition and recognition of a civil arrangement, assuming that the civil arrangement somehow benefited society and the state.

    But homosexual pairings do not. Homosexuals contract and spread STDs, particularly AIDS/HIV on an order of a magnitude over and above the other 98 percent of society. For good reasons, hospitals and the Red Cross forbid them to give blood, such is the high risk level of AIDS/HIV associated with men who have sex with men (MSM) Indeed, any given homosexual bears a 50 to 70 percent chance that he will contract HIV. From there, he will mostly likely contract AIDS and then die — on average 20 years before his heterosexual counterparts — of AIDs-related complications.

    The cost to society for treating each AIDs patient is about $600,000.00 a pop.

    Medical risks and costs aside, homosexuals vastly outpace heterosexuals in rates of Child Sexual Assault (e.g. kiddie rape).

    Homosexuals also have far greater incidence of neuroses and anti-social behaviors
    than their heterosexual counterparts and are overrepresented in their proportion of society in matters related to serial, mass or ultra-violent murder.

    The State (as opposed to the Federal Constitutional authority) has as its duty to look after the health, safety, morals and welfare of its citizens.

    Blessing homosexuality does nothing to further any of those missions.

    And while Religions have a First Amendment Right associated with their Free Exercise, the State has stepped in and not allowed religion to interfere with State purposes, such as remaining veiled for drivers license photos and animal sacrifice.

    But the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment also means that the State should not interfere with the free exercise of religion. By the state attempting to dictate what is and what isn’t marriage in the religious context is a direct violation of this Constitutional command.

    What right does the State to tell religion what should be religiously condoned?

    More to the point, what right does the State have telling its citizens what is right and what is wrong, via judicial fiat?

    THAT is usurpation of rights from the Citizens to the State.

    That way is a shortcut to tyranny.

    How does that affect anyone except those two people?

    I think we just handled that question.

    For further references, click on my sigline icon.

  • robert108

    But I just don’t understand the people that are offended by the fact that two men or two women want to get married.

    Normal people are offended by calling what homosexuals do “marriage”. It isn’t.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    As close as I can tell, Pinos-breath is doing the old Leftard game of I’m-a-Conservative-but-we-should-really-act-Leftist BS’er.

    I haven’t seen a single thing he has posted that faintly resembles what it is to be Conservative.

    I’d say he is in the same ballpark as Lioncourt, Rugby Reader and Jack, who, for all we know, may be sockpuppets for some of the regular Leftards who infect SAB.

  • HG

    How does that affect anyone except those two people?

    Homosexuality is harmful to society. Normalizing homosexuality is the first mistake, changing marriage would only compound that error.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Might as well rule that chicago does not have to enforce the 14th Amendment either then.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    There is no “right” to marriage.

    Period.

    Dot.

    Full Stop.

    End of Sentence.

    End of Paragraph.

    Marriage is the union of one man and one woman, where there is no excessively close familial relationship.

    Domestic Partnerships (et al) provide the same legal protections and privileges for those not eligible to marry.

    QED.

  • sayanything-5371

    You are so full of shit, pinos. I don’t hate queers, but don’t think they should be able to hijack marriage. Marriage is for a man and a woman. That’s part of God’s plan and why he created man and woman with different equipment.

    Queers don’t really want to marry, there’s no point, they are a dead end. They just don’t want anyone else to marry. Anyway, you have some kind of sick fixation on trying to drag the rest of us along with your unholy mission to have the GOP endorse queer marriage. I’m tired of the whole subject. When I see what queers and leftists have done to the country I grew up in it sickens me. Like that asshole racist POS Jesse Jackson always is saying, I’m ‘disenfranchised’. This isn’t my country anymore, dude. You liberals stole it from me while I was too busy being in the service and working to get ahead. I’m sure my grandfather and my father wouldn’t recognize the immoral hell you are turning this country into. Are you fucking proud of yourself, you sick freak?

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Upon further reflection, I see at least DeFacto if not DeJure racism by not abiding by the 14th Amendment. This occurs by hiring people based on skin tones. Many will recognize the term “affirmative action”, quotas, HR (Human Resources) quotas, time and goals, etc.

    Racism.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Think of it as the wrong ruling (Right to Keep and Bear Arms not extended to all and not subject to state or local revocatoin) for all of the right reasons (Federalism and stare decisis) which virtually guarantees a revisit by the Supreme Court since there is now a split between the Circtuits.

  • Boobalah

    I agree that government has no business regulating marriage. If that pisses you off, then I would say that’s fine. But I just don’t understand the people that are offended by the fact that two men or two women want to get married. How does that affect anyone except those two people?

  • HG
  • Bodhi

    They should keep the government out of marriage.

  • 2Hotel9

    How many murders were there in Chicago yesterday? And how many of them were committed with “banned” handguns?

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    If this is allowed to stand by the supremes, then logically any and all so-called constitutional rights are subject to unilateral overturning town by town and state by state. Clearly the constitution was never intended to be anything but applicable to all Americans regardless of town or state but if they let that stand, then they cross an important milestone line.

    Remember what I said. When the people stop caring enough and don’t even understand what the constitution is for, its essentially over. Welcome to the bottom of the ninth and all bases loaded and you’re behind 12-0. You want this thing to mean anything, you better start working on the people before the next generation of people with mushy heads and selective defective reasoning go through school, do law, become judges, and end up on those courts.

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