Fat, smoker? Pay more for Health Care Plan

• October 2, 2009

Just heard it on Fox, although I could not find details yet, but it appears our dear old Congress is considering charging people who smoke or who are fat more for their federal mandated insurance premiums.
I can understand about smokers, they are in a high risk group and if they choose to continue, they should pay higher premiums as it does add significantly to health care costs. But, who is to say what overweight means, how will they check our weight and report it to the government? Isn’t that just a bit too much government dictating lifestyle or is it just society saying if you choose to do this it should cost you more?
What about homosexuals, they are a high risk group, shouldn’t they pay higher premiums for health care to offset their eventual AIDS drugs and treatment costs, after all they are choosing to engage in that high risk activity.
What about cops? The choose to work in a high risk occupation? Certainly firemen should pay 2-3 times as much.
In short, where does all this government trying to dictate lifestyles end? Are elected officials exempt?

Tags: The Loony Left

http://Array sayanything-2407

3.Â And isn’t the health issues associated with smoking the reason for the high taxes on cigarettes now?

Wayne, the reason for higher taxes on cigs has nothing to do with health issues, the government wanted more money and they see that as a way to get it – increased taxes.

Next…Sin Tax. Fast food, pop, chips, foods and actions that the government doesn’t approve of will be taxed….
rog

Don’t forget red headed people, they are the brunt of more violence… need to charge them more.. damn gingers. also need an iq test because stupid people get injured more. a pretty test too, because ugly people just bug me. Keep them in pens.
sayanything-4625

I’m not surprised I’m shocked that he feels comfortable to let his mask slip a little. After reading Dino for about a year now, nothing he say’s or does could surprise me. If he turned out to be a Jeffery Dalmer type, that wouldn’t surprise me. It does shock me that he is so willing to bring it out in the open. Last months it was “house Negros” and this months he going after the “Jews”. I feel sorry Jewish people they have been blamed for everything from the holes in the Moon to drinking the blood of Christian children. Yet people are mystified when they defend themselves. What a shock!
rog

Hey woof, what insurance do you have. That is a complete lie. I have Aetna and they don’t ask any of those questions. Those statements are just liberal talking points, pathetic.
sayanything-4625

Wow Dino, you really are a kook! An anti Semitic kook to boot! How do you live with yourself?
TheTodd

How is this different from forcing reckless, alcoholic speeders to pay more for car insurance?
sayanything-4625

Greg, that reminded me more of the Unions than a gangster..lol

Karen: What do you do?
Henry Hill: I’m in construction.
Karen: [She feels the softness of his hands] They don’t feel like you’re in construction.
Henry Hill: Ah, I’m a union delegate.

Aren’t they the same thing?
http://massbackwards.blogspot.com/ Bruce

My private insurance company asked me all those questions and took blood and urine samples before issuing my policy.

Of course, this was my OPTIONAL, FREELY CHOSEN, LIFE insurance.

My private HMO never sought such information through my employer. One rate fits all.
sayanything-4625

I never said I agreed with that sentiment but it’s out there. I read about it in the Jewish Journal. Hell, for all you know, if I wasn’t agnostic I could be jewish.

If Citizen wants to needle others about who they are he needs to know that his tribe is on the hot seat WORLDWIDE.

Again.

You don’t agree with it but you are more than willing to threaten him with the statement? You remind me of the gangster that drives up to your house and says, “Nice house! It would be ashamed if something happened to it.”
http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Bike Bubba

What Bruce says. I pay more for life insurance because I’ve got bad cholesterol (partly my bad habits, partly genetics) and carry a bit of extra weight. I pay less because I don’t smoke. Why not health insurance?

Of course, Congress can screw up just about anything, so I’m still wary of this.
http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Next…Sin Tax. Fast food, pop, chips, foods and actions that the government doesn’t approve of will be taxed….

A nuanced disagreement, but the government doesn’t really “disapprove” of any of this. The faux outrage or junk science is a necessary prerequisite for justifying tax increases on items popular enough to generate the most revenue.
docdave

So how is the government going to determine who smokes and who is fat (what criteria will be used to determine fatness)? Baring the idiocy of freely giving out that information, the only way that I can see the government getting that information is a complete and total invasion of what little privacy we have left.
sayanything-2407

I think that introducing market forces to our lifestyles (higher premiums for being unhealthy) is a good thing.Â But the government should stay out of health care.

Who decides for you what is right for you to eat, drink and actions to take then? Who picks and chooses what to tax for you and what not?

You want to tax certain things and not others because it may be bad for you? I remember not long ago they said bottled water was bad for you, then milk, ect. Anything with fructose syrup in it?

If you are fine with taxing things then make it a consumption tax.

Personally I am tired of having a tax on everything I do, see, eat and drink. Reasonable taxation I have no problem with, taxation as a way of life I do.
DINO

Nothing quite as repugnant as a conservative jew.

You do realize that most of the world blames jews for the economic meltdown, right?

I’d be careful with that if I was in that group. You know, considering history and all.

There, how’d that feel?
sayanything-2407

You remind me of the gangster that drives up to your house and says, “Nice house!Â It would be ashamed if something happened to it.”

Greg, that reminded me more of the Unions than a gangster..lol
carrick

TheTodd, you are assuming there aren’t medical reasons for obesity.
sayanything-2407

I get threatened and cajoled every day for who I am.

Incorrect, you are treated as you treat others. You are by far not a victim – you bring much of what you get call out on and how you are spoken to on yourself.
DINO

I never said I agreed with that sentiment but it’s out there. I read about it in the Jewish Journal. Hell, for all you know, if I wasn’t agnostic I could be jewish.

If Citizen wants to needle others about who they are he needs to know that his tribe is on the hot seat WORLDWIDE.

Again.
http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Bike Bubba

Let’s not pay attention to Mr. “Protocols of the elders of Zion” Dino here. He’s simply trying to divert attention from the fact that he doesn’t know supply and demand from a tuna fish sandwich.

(Greg, your abhorrence of Dino’s nonsense is commendable, but let’s make sure we don’t remind him of some of the other nonsense he’s been reading….)
DINO

I get threatened and cajoled every day for who I am. I was just letting him get a taste of how it feels and what’s out there for his people. As I said, I read it in the Jewish Journal, not “Anti-semite Daily”.

As far as who has mistreated or discriminated against jews in the past, it’s been conservative christians. Or are you going to deny that jews were barred from clubs, organizations and even from doing business by white con xtians?

The southern KKK picked on them too. That’s one of the reasons jews are so reliably liberal, just like queers.

Still, he persists in threatening me with ominous predictions of discrimination against my group. But you’re blind to that.

Perhaps he’s threatened that another group may attempt to steal the mantle of victimhood that jews hold on to so fervently.

PS. I am not anti-semitic. That’s absurd.
robert108

You threaten us, dino; stop whining!
DINO

There you have it ladies & gentlemen. He continues with the ominous threats about my “lifestyle”.

You know, there was a doctor guy who used to post here who said that the amount of health care dollars eaten up by queer health problems including AIDS is miniscule. And he was no fan of mine, he was just stating fact.

It’s like saying jews are a threat to the economy because they’re more apt to have been involved in getting us into the Iraq war and been involved in the shady dealings of the financial sector.

Neither kind of scapegoating is terribly attractive. That’s why the scapegoated groups-homos, jews, blacks, etc- often form alliances and why it’s so disappointing when they fall apart like they did in CA over Prop 8. Of course that delights the conservatives who seek to harm those groups.
robert108

You’re a perp, dino; stop whining! You’re just getting back what you dish out.
jimmypop

What about homosexuals, they are a high risk group, shouldn’t they pay higher premiums for health care to offset their eventual AIDS drugs and treatment costs, after all they are choosing to engage in that high risk activity.

they most certainly should. in addition, how will the gays like it when they are told to run off and die like barry suggested?i asked this same question of the fake homo. he never answered. the old and high risk should be steadfastly against this.
DINO

Likewise, the only threat to you is the propensity of your people to drag us into fighting their wars and dominate in the financial sectors, creating schemes to make money off others’ misery.

There, how’d that feel?
DINO

Likewise, the only threat to you is the propensity of your people to drag us into fighting their wars and dominate in the financial sectors, creating schemes to make money off others’ misery.

There, how’d that feel?
http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

Of course they should. This year our state health plan will tack on a $25 per month surcharge for tobacco smokers. They should also do the same for other drug smokers, users of heroin, cocaine and risky sexual behavior types (homosexuals) as well. Risk has its cost.

Yes, there are also surcharges as well as discounts for those with home security systems, those who have not had an accident in 5-10 years and those with low blood pressure.

Life style choices contribute to costs that certain people like BHO want to force others to pay for. Wrong.
http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

A Citizen. I gave up trying to discuss anything close to adult or logical with that poster.

Dragging? We vote in the USA for our leaders. Congress authorizes war. Communists have neither.

I encourage others to be happy in their jobs and Church related activities. Some of the happiest people are Christians. We are not guaranteed big jobs or money, just love and grace.

Other people try to find heaven on earth. It is not here.
Wayne

1. This is a very slippery slope.

2. There are genetic reasons for being over weight.

3. And isn’t the health issues associated with smoking the reason for the high taxes on cigarettes now?
Wayne

sanity,

I understand what you’re saying but the reason (we have been told) that these higher taxes were imposed was because of the health issues involved.
DINO

But the government should stay out of health care.

Yeah! Keep the government away from my Medicare!

I wish we could reverse the clock and not have Medicare so I could see all the middle class hardship.
robert108

The reason taxes are out of control is that govt spending is out of control. The most out of control part of govt spending is wasteful social spending. Introduce means testing to social spending, eliminate about three quarters of the programs, many of which are duplicates of other programs or which overlap other programs, and things will get better, including economic growth. Govt takes too much, and it is killing our economy.
DINO

Unhealthy people (I’m one) should pay more as they’re a bigger risk.

It will come to the point where you won’t be insurable no matter how much you’re willing to pay for rates. That’s how we got Medicare and Medicaid for certain conditions. The market failed as capitalism often does.

Great story about it:

I love my socialist kidney

Ever have a back problem as millions have? Forget getting private, individual insurance.
sayanything-2483

It will come to the point where you won’t be insurable…

Those with “high risk” life styles will also be excluded. But you already know that.
sayanything-2483

Nothing quite as repugnant as a conservative jew.

Nothing quite as repugnant as an old fag.

You do realize that most of the world blames jews for the economic meltdown, right?

Yes, I recognize the ignorance of those who claim that.

I’d be careful with that if I was in that group. You know, considering history and all.
There, how’d that feel?

I don’t care. With your IP address being made public not so long ago,I’d be careful, considering history and all.
sayanything-2483

Wow Dino, you really are a kook! An anti Semitic kook to boot! How do you live with yourself?

You shouldn’t be surprised Greg, I’m not. Typical shit from a typical leftie.
WOOFX

Private insurance companies discriminate by those criteria plus pre-existing conditions.
sayanything-2483

If Citizen wants to needle others about who they are..

Just because I acknowledge you as an old fag, has nothing to do with what religion you may or may not be. I couldn’t care less what religion you subscribe to, if any. You’re just a nasty, rancid old fag.

…he needs to know that his tribe is on the hot seat WORLDWIDE.Again.

AGAIN??? It’s never changed.
sayanything-2483

Still, he persists in threatening me with ominous predictions of discrimination against my group. But you’re blind to that.

No threats old man, and not a prediction. You know as well as anyone else that your “high risk” life style will leave you out in the cold when it come to health care. If Obama can tell someone to take a pill instead of getting a heart transplant to extend their life, what do you think he’ll say to someone like you?

Perhaps he’s threatened that another group may attempt to steal the mantle of victimhood that jews hold on to so fervently.

Not being a religious man and only knowing a handful of “Jews,” the only Jews that might fall into your “victimhood” scenario are the ones that survived the camps.
sayanything-2483

There you have it ladies & gentlemen. He continues with the ominous threats about my “lifestyle”.

Schmuck…the only threat to your “life style” is your life style. If you feel threatened that your life style will exclude you from Obamacare,(which it will) take it up with Obama. Go get a kleenex you old fag, your little victim tears are showing.
sayanything-2483

Likewise, the only threat to you is the propensity of your people to drag us into fighting their wars and dominate in the financial sectors, creating schemes to make money off others’ misery.

If you’re referring to Israel, when did anyone have to fight their wars for them? If we’re going to talk about schemes, lets talk about Al Gore and his global warming scam and his carbon offset bullshit. Funny that he owns the company that the carbon offsets are paid to. Now that’s a scam!!!
Now go take a nap you old fag, you’re getting cranky, and don’t forget your kleenex. Whiner
http://sayanythingblog.com robport

I think that introducing market forces to our lifestyles (higher premiums for being unhealthy) is a good thing. But the government should stay out of health care.
http://sayanythingblog.com robport

I don’t have a problem with private insurers basing rates on lifestyles. Unhealthy people (I’m one) should pay more as they’re a bigger risk.

As Bruce points out though….there’s a difference when the government does it. Private insurance is optional. Government is not.

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