Fargo-Area Legislators Introduce Resolution Commending NDSU Bison Football Criminals

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A group of Fargo-area legislators have introduced HCR3025 commending the NDSU Bison football team, as well as head coach Craig Bohl and NDSU President Dean Bresciani, “for achieving a rare level of dominance in NCAA Division I football.”

I’ve never really liked these sort of resolution. These sort of symbolic pats-on-the-head are a waste of time. That being said, they don’t waste that much time, and for the most part they’re not worth griping about.

But the legislature commending a football squad full of criminals, as well as coaches and university officials who worked overtime to sweep the massive fraud perpetrated by those players under the rug? That’s wrong.

NDSU prioritizing winning over ethics and accountability for their institution and its students isn’t worthy of this sort of recognition. And that’s exactly what the university did. Other student athletes, including recently several members of the university’s softball team, have been held to a much harsher standard than these football players who forged tens of thousands of signatures on petitions last summer.

But the softball team isn’t as important as the football team. Holding the football players to a tougher standard might have put their national championship in jeopardy, and so NDSU prioritized winning over ethics.

What’s ironic is that this same legislature which will consider this resolution heaping praise on the NDSU football team will also be considering a raft of reforms to the state’s petitioning laws inspired by the fraud these NDSU players committed.

In a perfect world this resolution would be voted down as a way to give the university and the football team a symbolic black eye they richly deserve. But it probably won’t be, for the same reasons why the State Board of Higher Education has talked about exempting student athletes from tougher admissions standards.

For far too many people football is more important than anything else, and the legislators aren’t about to anger those voters.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • whowon

    No, no, no.

  • The fighting Czech

    again…. this is the most pressing issue in Bismarck? Im finding it hard to believe they need 8 days every other year to “do the peoples work”

  • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

    This is par for the course for the state’s sacred cow; win at any cost.

    • camsaure

      Yeah, and then hit the taxpayers again and again to help offset the cost.

  • sbark

    quote…..”full of criminals”……….they cant all be Dem’cats can they?

    anyway, cutting a pretty wide swath with that blanket statement are you not?

  • joe mauer

    Your hate for all things NDSU is astounding. I look at all your threads here and almost everyone contains negative material. is your life so miserable that you can’t good in anything other than a DQ Value meal?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I look at all your threads here and almost everyone contains negative material.

      There’s a saying about the media which is that safe aircraft landings aren’t news. Yeah, I write about a lot of negative things, but that’s because there are a lot of negative things to write about.

      Like the legislature considering commending a football team full of criminals.

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      I commend Rob for hating everything NDSU. :)

  • Chub

    Wow you are butthurt ! Jealous losers are you !

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I actually don’t care about the football team at all. Not much of a fan of college sports at all.

      What i do care about is accountability and transparency at our state institutions and NDSU has a horrible track record in that regard.

  • aces1180

    Kevin Cramer on the House floor – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX4R_bttp04

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Yeah, that’s unfortunate. But again, as I mentioned in the post, voters get so stupid about sports that they prioritize winning over other things. Like, you know ethics.

      • aces1180

        It’s not unfortunate, it’s awesome. I did want to thank you for the entertainment this Web site provides me. I get some many laughs reading about your gripes, especially knowing that there is nothing you can do to stop any of them.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Oh, I definitely thing attitudes about higher education in North Dakota are shifting, and this scandal has helped.

          NDSU did higher ed reformers a real favor by flubbing the way they handled this.

          • aces1180

            Thanks again for the laugh.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Belittle me if you want, but look at what’s happening with the NDSU airplane.

            There are serious problems at NDSU, and I like to think I’ve had a hand in exposing them and making a difference, small though it may be. It’s like swimming upstream, mostly because of people like you who are willing to excuse a lot of things because NDSU is home to your favorite football team.

            It’s really kind of sad, but I enjoy a challenge. ;-)

          • aces1180

            I’m not belittling you. I actually feel sorry for you.

            NDSU is home to a lot more than my favorite football team…I spent six of the best years of my life earning two degrees from the school. I’m damn proud of my alma mater. Do I wear green and gold glasses? Of course. But I can also can see through the BS and know that there are a lot of haters out there…You just happen to be one of the loudest (even though not a lot of people actually hear you). It’s not hard to see the type of person you are and it makes a lot of sense really. Thanks again for all the laughs.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            I’m not belittling you. I actually feel sorry for you.

            I’m wondering if you actually know what the term “belittle” means. Seriously. Read that sentence again.

            But I can also can see through the BS and know that there are a lot of haters out there…You just happen to be one of the loudest (even though not a lot of people actually hear you).

            Because…that’s not belittling at all.

            And yes, the only problems NDSU has are just “haters” who, uh, point out actual problems at the university. Like overspending and unethical administration, a horrendous academic track record and an abhorrent record on transparency.

            It’s not hard to see the type of person you are and it makes a lot of sense really. Thanks again for all the laughs.

            Still not belittling?

            I think maybe you should get your money back for those two degrees you got at NDSU.

          • aces1180

            Oh, I agree…I belittled you in my last post. That doesn’t mean I was belittling you previously when I thanked you for all the laughs.

            I’ll tell you what…You continue to bitch and moan about all things NDSU and I’ll continue to laugh at your opinions on this little blog (you’re welcome for the Web hits, BTW).

            Thanks for the advice on getting my money back for my degrees, but I’ll pass. The education and experience I gained at North Dakota State University was worth every penny. In fact, i bet your tax dollars helped pay for some of it. For that, I thank you!

            Good luck trying to hurt NDSU. I’m sorry to say, the school and its supporters outnumber haters/drop outs like you.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Welcome for what hits?

            From Bisonville? Hahaha.

          • aces1180

            That’s the point of this blog, right? Generate Web traffic so you can justify advertisers to put their message on your site? You can’t deny that your anti-NDSU rhetoric generates a lot of visits and discussion to this site. In other words, your hatred of North Dakota State University is good for business.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Well, my writing about the very serious problems at NDSU and in higher education in general in this state draws a lot of attention. And I think it does because I’m covering things other media outlets in the state.

            I think people have a hard time wondering how it is that tuitions can double at NDSU and UND over the last decade, even as taxpayer appropriations have gone up 150%. I think they wonder why a university that claims to be chronically underfunded can afford a private airplane for administrators to fly around in.

            But higher ed is only one area I cover. Lately I’ve been writing a lot about TANF funds are spent in the state, and that’s brought in a lot of traffic too. Heck, earlier today I was interviewing Senator Hoeven about some new energy regulation policies he’s putting in place.

            You flatter yourself in thinking that the Bison is all that important a topic. It’s not. It’s just a football team. The larger problem is the very real ethical problems at NDSU.

          • unRob

            I’m sorry but you most certainly were not the one to point out any problems with NDSU. You haven’t exposed any original content to the world. You simply over-elaborate on the details in order to stir emotion in the people.

            I saw you referenced the plane “fiasco”. Now, what you didn’t reference is the fact that almost every major university in this country has, or has immediate access to, private planes. Heck, UND has an entire fleet (sure, flight school and all…).

            NDSU is a major university, whether you accept that or not. When you have such a large impact on your surroundings, as NDSU does, you tend to have some conflicts arise at some point in time. It’s the same for any other organization.

            Now, what really pisses me off about you, Rob, is when you called for the heads of the football players in the petition debacle, suggesting that they didn’t get what they deserve. Yet, they went through the entire judicial process. By asking for further punishment than what the legal process outlined, you are suggesting that our entire judicial system, what makes America, well, America, isn’t sufficient. Just because they didn’t receive suspensions does not mean they didn’t receive the due punishment. Personally, I trust a judge far more than an armchair-juror/comedian/pseudoblogger any day.

            NDSU is a great institution and has enough credentials to wipe your a$$ with to prove it.

            Your writings about all these issues have been nothing but comedic and that is why ace was thanking you for the laughs.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Are you sure that’s a school you attended? Your rabid/blind defense of the indefensible resembles something more of an indoctrination than an education.

          • camsaure

            Green and gold colored glasses?? I think it’s more likely they are rose colored glasses. If Charlie Manson had been your class president at NDSU, would you blindly support his “infractions” also?

          • two_amber_lamps

            I’d say those were black glasses. The glasses of a blind man….

            http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg

          • libertarian

            the bison arent rose colored. lol

          • camsaure

            Thanks Rob, You ARE doing the job that the other supposed unbiased journalists havn,t the guts or integrity to do.

  • kent

    Hopefully NDSU and the football program learns something from this. From a PR standpoint they caused this to not die. In retrospect. They sit these guys the first game of the season or the CSU game after the news breaks. Its a done story. But they didn’t and they caused the story to continue. Did they play the players so they would win. Sure. In retrospect they didn’t need them in those games or if they would have lost a game they would have recovered. But crisis management was poor at best and as a result they have let this continue.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Well they aren’t going to learn anything if there aren’t any consequences.

      • unRob

        But Rob, there were and they were given out in the appropriate setting: a courtroom.

        Get off your high horse. It truly is sad.

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      If it happened again, the University would do the same thing. NDSU only cares about wins and has a win at all cost attitude.

      • kent

        And that is too bad, I am an NDSU grad, bison fan, attended most home games the last 5 years, been to frisco. Support the cause. In general Bison football and the moved to d1 have generated much goodwill and many dollars to the university and the community. Bison Nation and the traveling show is cool to be involved with. But this to me is PR basis 101, take you hit, say I’m sorry and move on. The story than dies. The univesity and the program handled it poorly because it doesn’t die. They gave the fuel for the story to continue, not Rob or Mcfeely or Heitkamp.

  • Jeff

    The football team is not “full of criminals.” A few players committed a crime, were punished by the court of law, the university, and the team. I know you a mad that you cannot find out what the exact punishment the university and team dished out. Their privacy by the university is protected; just like you can’t call and acquire their grades. They have, or are currently, served out their punishment as set forth by the courts, school, and teams. This issue is closed and has been for months. I don’t know why you feel the need keeping resurrecting it. Move on. 99.9% of the population has.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Really? They were punished by the university and the team?

      That seems like a statement you can’t actually back up, since the university won’t tell us what they did (unlike with the women’s softball team when we were told about suspensions).

      But I guess you’ll just gloss over that double standard, right?

      A few players committed a crime

      Twelve players, including like eight starters. That’s more than “a few.”

      I know your a big fan of the football team, but does that really mean you have to ignore actual wrong-doing?

      • aces1180

        Can you name the 12 players and which eight are starters? No, because your facts are wrong.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          You’re right, I misremembered. It was 15 NDSU footballl players including 3 former players, 12 current players and four starters.

          Because that totally makes it better or something.

          But hey, at least they didn’t get drunk and rape anyone, right? Isn’t that the usual defense?

          Of the 15 defendants, 12 are present or former members of NDSU’s football team, the defending NCAA Football Championship Subdivision champion.

          Four of the accused players are starters: running back Samuel Ojuri, offensive lineman Joshua Colville and defensive backs Marcus Williams and Brendin Pierre. The list also includes backup defensive backsBryan Shepherd and Aireal Boyd, linebacker Antonio Rodgers and redshirt freshmen Demitrius Gray, a wide receiver, and Lucas Albers, a tight end.

          Former players Joshua Gatlin, Don Carter and D.J. McNorton also are charged.

          http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8349925/nine-north-dakota-state-football-players-formally-charged-faking-petition-signatures

          • aces1180

            Geez…You can’t even read your quote right.

            Let me help you…15 total defendants….Nine current players (as of the 2012 season) + Three former players = 12 total associated with NDSU football. Four of those from the 2012 team were starters at the time of the charges (only three were at the end of the season, but doesn’t matter).

            I understand you are trying to make this look as bad as possible, but at least get the facts right. You don’t have much credibility as it is, so any efforts to try and boost that should be made.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Sigh, you’re right, I was on the radio when I was copying and pasting that to you.

            But i’m still not seeing why you think this chagnes anything. NDSU gave these players a break because nine of them were on the team, and four of them were starters.

            That is reprehensible.

          • aces1180

            “That is reprehensible.”

            Says you and the vast minority of people that have an opinion that matters…I guess many of the leaders of your (my home) state, including, but not limited to Rick Berg, John Hoeven, Jack Dalrymple, Al Carlson, Kevin Cramer and many others don’t see it that way. Sorry.

          • camsaure

            Heh, all but Cramer of the “leaders” you mentioned are nothing but RINOs.

          • aces1180

            I guess I don’t see the point in whether or not they are RINOs. North Dakotans elected them to their positions of leadership in the state. I think it is important to again point out, however, that they don’t have a problem supporting the North Dakota State University back-to-back Championship football team.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Because it’s bread and circuses. I’m guessing the average Bison fan has no idea what’s going on at the legislature in Bismarck, but can name several starting players from their favorite team.

            That’s just how the politicians like it.

          • aces1180

            I like it too…As a I stated earlier, a vast minority of the people in the region care about the transgressions of the football team this past summer, something they have been punished for by the courts.

            I also heard that beating a dead horse gets you far in life as well!

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            .As a I stated earlier, a vast minority of the people in the region care about the transgressions of the football team this past summer

            Well sure. The hometown media wasn’t going to give it any really in-depth coverage, nor were they going to be critical of the university. And the politicians aren’t going to go bat over it because it’s high-risk, low-reward.

            So the university gets off the hook because of politics, not because it’s right.

          • Geoff Bosse

            FYI. The team did in fact suspend ojuri for one game (second team violation or something). Hope that helps…. LOL

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Oh my gosh. One guy. I guess I take it all back.

          • Geoff Bosse

            Gosh rob… I typed LOL. I know how passionate you are on this topic. Just ruffling your feathers.

            I know how bad this looks and understand everyone’s frustrations. Your anger toward coach bohl just feels like bison/Sioux rivalry crap. This will be talked about for 20 years, and yes their is a stain on the University. Just please tell me this has nothing to do with the rivalry.

          • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

            Or the politicians could be using the petition scandal as a way to conveniently drop the petition and distract from the fact they still had enough signatures on a bill so they can kill it

          • libertarian

            cramer is a rino

          • camsaure

            He is the most conservative representation that we have. I am not yet willing to make that judgment yet. He has done a couple things that make me wonder.

          • camsaure

            Are you really a libertarian? Or are you another one of hannis sock puppets or other troll?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Well sure, politicians don’t want to risk votes over something symbolic like this.

            Privately you might be surprised what some of their opinions are about the way the university handled that situation.

          • libertarian

            can you tell how they were given a break?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            They weren’t suspended, unlike the softball girls.

          • unRob

            What break? You don’t even know what the University has done. I can promise you, with 100% certainty, that they did not get off scot-free. My guess is that NDSU made them write an essay to their deans or advisers outlining why what they did was wrong and what they have learned from the experience. I can confirm that this is a very standard punishment for a first offense by a student. They goal of the University is to prepare students for life, and to do that requires learning from mistakes. Legal consequences dealt out by a court of law is a completely different entity and that is the one folks like yourself need to refer to.

      • libertarian

        they cant tell us what they did so therefore why are you complaining about it? how do you know they werent punished by the school?

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          They told us about the auditions for the softball girls.

          They’re hiding behind federal law.

          • LoveND

            So you are telling them to break the law to satisfy your curiosity?

          • unRob

            I laughed at this so hard I spilled my drink.

            I don’t think it can compute in Rob’s mind that the punishment from the University might have pertained to the crime that was committed and not to the sport they are related to. Whereas, if memory serves me right, the softball girls were caught hazing new team members. That directly relates to the sport they were playing in, therefore the punishment by the University should be related…

            How hard is that for you to understand, Rob?

    • opinion8ed

      The court record should be public information. Did that big fancy trophy cover up the crime like a giant dunce cap?

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      8-10 from the NDSU team were punished for committing voter registration fraud, thanks to these buffoons the measure never made the ballots.

      It’s funny that Bison fans said that their Chuckle Heads from the NDSU football team were punished, yet not one of these clowns ever were suspended from one single game. I hope their all charged in civil court by the groups they defrauded.

      • libertarian

        im not saying what they did is right but its not like those measures cant be be put on the ballot again

      • libertarian

        sam ojuri was suspended vs youngstown. get your facts straight

        • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

          Ojuri was suspended for a second separate incident.

          • libertarian

            actually both

  • RandyBoBandy

    NDSU is not a dominate force in NCAA Division I football until they beat Alabama. Enough said.

    • Jeff

      There are two trophys in the football offices given by the NCAA that would prove you wrong. The Division I football champion as recognized by the NCAA this season, and last, is North Dakota State. Not Alabama.

      • RandyBoBandy

        Technically you are right, but in reality you are not. Anyone in their right mind knows that Alabama is the better Division-I team.

        • libertarian

          wow dude youre really comparing ndsu to alabama. LOL

  • Devin

    You are a rice crispy dick ass clown. But I guess I did click on this so I accomplished your goal. What do you say to the fact that another citizen (just a lowly commoner!) got the same exact punishment as the football players?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I always enjoy it when the reasonable, polite and well-informed Bison fans show up to comment. “Rice crispy dick.” I’ve never heard that one before.

      What do you say to the fact that another citizen (just a lowly commoner!) got the same exact punishment as the football players?

      Well they all got equal treatment by the courts, sure, but the citizen wasn’t a current football player. The proper comparison is between the football players and the girls from the softball team. Not only were they actually punished for something far less serious, from an ethical standpoint, but their punishment was announced publicly something the university claims they can’t do in the case of the football players.

      Oh, and the legislature is considering new laws thanks to the fraud committed by these players.

      That’s how serious an infraction it was.

      • BisonNation11

        Or perhaps it was a law made with too little of a consequence due to the rarity of it actually happening, and all this situation did was bring it to light? But I guess that you would argue all laws are made with the correct consequence because lawmakers are all geniuses, such as yourself. So tell me, since this is my first time looking at your “blog”, did you happen to write anything like this about Jeff Fox of Minot, ND. He is a representative of a contingency of people in ND, so it should have effected you greatly. If you didn’t, (and due to my lack of knowledge of you) let’s say you didn’t attend NDSU, then why this piece? It doesn’t pertain to you and as you said it takes oh so little time and energy to pass this thing. Also, I say that the judicial system did what was fair to all the people involved if they were all punished exactly the same. No one was proven to be a leader of it, so they were all just as guilty. Football or not. Just wondering why the butthurt is so strong with you.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Jeff Fox is not an elected official, and no I didn’t write anything like this about Jeff Fox because Jeff Fox is just a citizen with an opinion.

          Seriously, you guys get obsessed with anyone who dares criticize your beloved university, don’t you? I’m not kidding. You guys are like a cult.

          It doesn’t pertain to you and as you said it takes oh so little time and energy to pass this thing.

          It does pertain to me. My tax dollars go to NDSU. Also, the democratic process was undermined by players at NDSU. It matters, even if you don’t want it to.

          Just wondering why the butthurt is so strong with you.

          Honestly, if the university had just handled it in a forthright way and hadn’t applied a clear double standard based on the fact that these were football players from a championship team, I probably wouldn’t have written much about it beyond the first news of the fraud.

          Heck, if the local media had the cojones to cover the story in depth at all, I wouldn’t have written much about it. But NDSU brought this on themselves. They’ve made themselves look terrible, and a lot of people do care even if you can’t see them from inside the Fargo/Bison bubble.

          • BisonNation11

            Your tax dollars go to UND as well, so where’s the blog on that? Those kids could have killed their teammates with the actions they took. I’m sorry, not kids, adults as you like to say. And where’s the local media coverage on that story? And since Jeff Fox is just a citizen with an opinion, than some of the people who “undermined the democratic process” (your words not mine because we all know that wasn’t their intent) were just citizens that happen to play football and attend college. I’m sure they also have an opinion on things, but that’s not the point. And yes, go ahead and call us a cult. We stand up for one another when we are called out and falsely accused. It’s called a family. You should try it someday instead of standing up on your soap box alone. And people outside or inside the “Fargo/Bison bubble” CARED… It’s over, it’s done. The only thing left of it is the possible change to election fraud charges. And the last time I checked, no one found guilty of this crime is helping with changing the law, so get over it.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Their intent in forging teens of thousands of signatures on petitions want to undermine the democratic process?

            I suppose you’re right. Their intent was to defraud their employers. Because that makes it better or something.

            And it’s over, we are considering major changes to petitioning law because of this crime. But let’s just pretend like that’s not happening, right?

          • Geoff Bosse

            Rob, how come you don’t hold their employers responsible? Shouldn’t have they done their due diligence prior to turning in those petitions. In my mind the employer should share in the majority of blame.

          • camsaure

            Their employers were too stoned to notice or give a darn.

          • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

            They figured they were just “sticking it to the man.”

          • Leif

            Rob – we are not a cult. We (NDSU alumni and fans) are passionate about our institution and I am very proud to call myself an NDSU graduate. It is hypocrisy when you belittle others. Your entire life is focused on bringing people down versus building a legacy and platform for others to stand upon. Rather than lend a hand to help, you are quick to expose a flaw and pounce on it, under the guise of shining light on all things wrong based upon your personal perspective.

            And no, I agree that NDSU was too light. Suspensions should have been in order for a game. But your hatred of an institution blinds you away from the positive impact that this team has made to people across the state and to the brand of North Dakota. After living for 40 years in North Dakota, I now live in Texas. I am proud to wear my NDSU pullover in and around Austin, because I know NDSU has graduated hundreds of thousands who have built a legacy for millions to stand upon.

            I don’t know you, so my apologies if I am misinterpreting your passion around anything that you condemn morally, but I hope one day you step back and ask – am I leaving a legacy that my children would be proud of. I hope that when you do, that it is not too late for you to begin transforming into a person that is a positive multiplier versus the person you are today.

      • LoveND

        Why dont you address the fact that the terms of employment were against the law? Its against the law to have quotas and payment for such. So in fact no matter how they attained the signatures those signatures would have been illegally obtained. Thats why the legislature is looking in to the law. So no it wasnt serious which was proven by their day in court.

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      Oh an ass clown… Sounds like you’re projecting on Rob.

  • onbison09

    Isn’t Jeff Fox a criminal? He’s a contributor on your site. I’m confused.

    • aces1180

      Do you mean Jeff Fox of Minot, ND, District 5 Region 1 Chairman who convicted of no liability insurance, a tab violation and driving 70 in a 55?

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        Boy, you guys are like a cult, you know that? Disparage the NDSU football team and get attacked, personally.

        I always have to laugh when people at your Bisonville forum claim I’m a transparency hypocrite because my domain registration is done by proxy. Because I want you people to know where my children sleep, right?

        • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

          Because it’s the Bison family. You know, people that actually try to help each other out when they are unjustly being attacked. Most Bison fans were very critical of the crime. When will it end? Your not objectively criticizing them. Your digging so deep it’s clearly being done through hatred and not objectivity. Do these players have anything to do with Congress? Why drag them into it? You should just rename your blog “the not objective and slanted anti ndsu blog.” What other organization gets this much scrutiny? You forget these are student athletes. Many of them are 19 year old kids who have already had their name dragged through the mud.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            We’re not talking about Congress, we’re talking about the state legislature. And my “attacks” aren’t unfair. There are a lot of people who care about this.

            Believe it or not, not everyone in North Dakota has blind allegiance to NDSU.

            You forget these are student athletes. Many of them are 19 year old kids who have already had their name dragged through the mud.

            They’re adults who committed a crime and got away with a slap on the wrist because they happen to play the right sport.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Because it’s the Bison family. You know, people that actually try to help each other out when they are unjustly being attacked.

            Are you describing a fan following or a mafia consortium?

            These “kids” defiled the state’s political process.

            But that means nothing to you since you’re more concerned with a winning record than “civic mores and values.”

            Go team go! Sack the constituency for leftist agendas! Rah rah rah!

          • camsaure

            Uh, If they are being dragged through mud as you are trying to say, they are the ones themselves who got down into that so called mud.

          • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

            That’s not a family; that’s a cult.

      • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

        That would be misdemeanor no liability insurance. The same level crime the players were charged with.

        • aces1180

          Wow…He must be a terrible person, no? I don’t see how any upstanding organization, team or even blog can associate with known criminals.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            You guys are seriously comparing no liability insurance to forging tens of thousands of signatures?

            C’mon. Grow up.

          • aces1180

            “You guys are seriously comparing no liability insurance to forging tens of thousands of signatures?”

            Don’t forget about expired tabs and going 70 in a 55 mph zone.

            According to the current laws in the state of North Dakota, they are both classified as misdemeanor crimes. So yes, by definition of the law, we are. It’s not up to the public to decide the level of a crime, its up to the lawmakers. Mr. Fox is a criminal on the same level as the NDSU football players. Yet, you have no problem posting his commentary on your board but rip on NDSU any chance you get.

            And by telling us to grow up, that’s like calling the kettle black.

          • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

            Rob said that since Jemison got kicked off for a misdemeanor, so should the rest of them. Now he changes it when his standard is applied to his UND buddy. Convenient huh?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Jeff Fox doesn’t play football for NDSU. He’s a private citizen who you’ve decided to attack, personally, to distract from the issue at hand.

          • unRob

            No one was distracting from the issue at hand. They were pointing out that your credibility on these subjects is absolutely crap.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Both the Attorney General and the Secretary of State both expressed dismay that they couldn’t bring more serious charges against the football players. It is disappointing, because what they did is much more serious than a speeding ticket or having expired tabs.

            We’re talking about tens of thousands of fraudulent signatures. Outside this cult you belong to around a mediocre football team at a middling university, that’s a big deal.

          • Jeff

            Now I am sure you are just trying to get NDSU fans fired up to come to your website. Describing the Bison as a “Mediocre football team” when they just won back to back national championships makes you look foolish.

          • libertarian

            medicore. i think many coaches around the country disagree with you. lol. sports aren’t your thing so i guess ill give you a pass

          • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

            Considering you were one of the people who used Jemison and his misdemeanor charge as a premise for kicking these players off the team so yes I’m comparing using your measure. Misdemeanor is a misdemeanor. Or do you only do that when it conveniently supports your agenda?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            I think the more apt comparison is the women on the softball team who not only got suspended but had their punishment announced by the unviersity for a far less serious infraction.

            That’s a clear double standard. But I’m sure you’ll continue ignoring it.

          • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

            First they werent harsh enough..then they were too harsh? . What is it Rob? Your going to rip them either way because you have an agenda Had they dished out the same punishment you would blogged.. ndsu continues with lenient punishment

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            At this point I’m not even sure what you’re talking about.

          • LoveND

            Double standard? Or part of a disciplinary process that is changing?

          • unRob

            Their crime was directly related to the sport they play. Hazing new teammates is a sports issue. Therefore, the punishment, as announced by NDSU, related to the sport. Whether or not NDSU announced it, the punishment would have been known come game-time.

            Forging signatures has nothing to do with football. Therefore, the punishment probably shouldn’t either. NDSU did the right thing by letting a courtroom figure out the appropriate consequences and then give out their own in-house.

            And if you think hazing is a far less severe action, then you should probably rethink your life.

            Hazing has resulted in deaths all around the country. Please, tell me one time that forging a signature has killed someone…

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yeah I mean really… carrying liability insurance is the LAW. What difference does it make if a couple of meddling kids usurp the political process and sully the very foundation of a Constitutional Republic? /sarc

            Misdemeanor charge to defraud the voting constituency…. that’s it? What’s to dissuade useful idiots from doing it again?

            NOTHING.

          • libertarian

            yes cuz republicans have never tainted elections. get over yourself

          • two_amber_lamps

            Pffft! Tu Quoque’s the best you have?

            EVEN IF it were the case in the ND ballot measure, ever hear “two wrongs don’t make a right?”

            I would think a “libertarian” such as you profess to be could see things outside of the simplistic democrat vs. republican dichotomy, but my thought would be mistaken.

            In view of your wretched argument… change your name Comrade “SOCIAL libertarian.” Obviously you have liberal bends since you subscribe to moral relativity. Or are you just another cow in the NDSU “herd?”

          • camsaure

            It’s the typical liberal “he did it too” response.

          • two_amber_lamps

            False moral equivalence…

            How very Alinsky of them!

          • libertarian

            kinda like how you are comparing a victimless petition fraud that can be put on the ballots in the future to hazing. lol. pot meet kettle

          • libertarian

            hahaha boom. roasted

      • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

        Is that a misdemeanor?

  • Roy_Bean

    “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?”

  • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

    NDSU did a poor job of handling this from a PR standpoint and hopefully lessons were learned, but I think the punishment was fair. It’s been debated to death so no point in talking about it. We will never know what the internal punishments are because they are protected by law.

    Ojuri received a suspension. Most of these guys will have the crime wiped from their record after the unsupervised probation is completed and if they keep their noses clean. Most of them had no prior record, so calling them “criminals” is a bit harsh. They are no more criminals than Jeff Fox, the senator from Minot.

    Seriously you’re beating a dead horse and coming across as a negative Nancy. Is it important to talk about this in congress? No but it’s a symbolic gesture to give props to a big time accomplishment. That’s the world we live in and it will never change.

    You can’t let the actions of 9 players (4 who were starters) represent the accomplishment of a team that has 99 players on the roster.

    How about talking about the fact that they had the highest GPA of any team in the Missouri Valley and one of the highest graduation rates in the nation? These guys aren’t all bad guys. In 2011, outside of a minor in consumption, the team had no charges.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      We will never know what the internal punishments are because they are protected by law.

      Are they, now? Then how come NDSU announced the team suspensions for the female softball players?

      They are no more criminals than Jeff Fox, the senator from Minot.

      Jeff Fox is not a senator. He’s not even an elected official. And a speeding violation is not the same thing as forging thousands of signatures.

      You can’t let the actions of 9 players (4 who were starters) represent the accomplishment of a team that has 99 players on the roster.

      You can let the actions of 9 players, and the university administration, speak for the team and the university.

      How about talking about the fact that they had the highest GPA of any team in the Missouri Valley and one of the highest graduation rates in the nation?

      I might put more stock in those numbers if our State Board of Higher Education weren’t talking about applying lower academic standards to student athletes to makes sure they maintain recruiting levels.

      http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/higher-ed-officials-want-lower-academic-standards-for-atheletes/

      • aces1180

        (facepalm) – School punishment (protected by privacy law) is different than team punishment. The team punishment (as well as the court decisions) for both the football and softball teams (still pending in the case of the courts) are both known. The school punishment is not made public. I don’t see how its that hard to see the difference.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          And what was the team punishment again?

          Oh, right, nothing.

          Thanks for proving my point.

          • unRob

            That’s because the action done by the football players had nothing to do with the team.

            The softball players were another story with different circumstances.

            For goodness sakes, Rob, you can’t possibly be that dull.

      • http://twitter.com/bisonguy1 bisonguy

        You can announce team suspensions but cannot announce action taken by the university. It is a huge difference. They announced Ojuri had been suspended but couldn’t get into details. Like if you flunk out of college they can’t make it public that you are on academic probation but you are indeed on academic probation, right?

        Jeff Fox has a MISDEMEANOR charge of no insurance that will never come off his record. The players will have a clean record. Do the players set the laws? No. It is what it is.

        And as far as the highest GPA and top graduation rates… it’s a fact. Spin it anyway you like. Proposals are just that and have nothing to do wit NDSU Football… but either way they are not needed because the NDSU Football Team is academically doing very very well. Better than society as a whole.

        You should go into politics and write negative ads. Your good at it. Kind of like the picture of Craig Bohl. What next? Slow motion video?

        • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

          There was no action, the only action that would be acceptable would be pulling these clowns scholarships, kicking them off of the team or suspending them for a game or two. None of those things happened. Making them run extra wind sprints in practice is not punishment…

      • BisonNation11

        So lowering academic standards so a kid can have a chance to play a game he loves and get an incredible education at an academic institution that has proven to have high GPA in its football program all supported by private donations strikes your nerve? I guess with you nobody should be given a chance to prove themselves, unless there name is Jeff Fox from Minot, ND. Lowering the standard has nothing to do with the final outcome, and the coaches at NDSU know exactly how to find the “diamonds in the rough”. Academics first, football second. Don’t believe me? Ask John Crockett.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          I’m not sure what your fixation with Jeff Fox is. Other than being someone who expressed an opinion on this matter, he’s irrelevant.

          And yes, lowering academic standards for the sake of fielding a good football team is pathetic. If you want to go to NDSU, you’d have to meet one standard, but if you’re good at football you get a lower standard?

          I think you need to be reminded that NDSU isn’t just some excuse to have a football team.

      • camsaure

        Sounds like they are getting their talking points from the same source.

        • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

          The University probably gave them their talking points or they are actually part of the NDSU SID… I bet if Rob checked these guys IP addresses they probably are from NDSU in Fargo.

          • aces1180

            Bemidji…

  • spud

    Rob I heard that and said will Rob this alone I knew you couldn’t but then again I still laugh at those going out to light a ciggy in 10 below 20 mph winds.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Huh?

      • libertarian

        lol

  • ec99

    A noble effort Rob, but intercollegiate athletics have become such an enormous tumor which has matastesized thoughout higher ed that there is no hope of a cure. It’s clear that these NDSU fan[atics] would grouse about a player suspended for first degree murder. Same for UND hockey. Academic programs are shut down and football stadiums and athletic budgets increased. Meanwhile, presidents cry poverty. Too late to fix it.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I don’t know that it’s hopeless.

      I’ll continue to speak out, but you’re right, the sports fanatics are a sorry lot. What a disservice they do to what is supposed to be an institution for education.

  • opinion8ed

    As a parent(coach) if your child (petition forger) did this would you be thanking him for taking out the trash ( winning national title) or making an example out of his behavior by making him apologize for the money wasted (starting lineup) and to those who they brought shame on ( North Dakota citizens) or expect someone to reward you for your horrible behavior from the Dean, to the Coach or should you apologize to the other players, to the student body, to the benefactors, the fans. This coach has an arrogant attitude, is not a role model, and has no business leading youth. He has is nothing more than the giant apologists and has no business at NDSU!

    • libertarian

      how do you know they didnt apologize? so many assumptions and not a lot of facts in these comments on here

      • opinion8ed

        because i live in this state and had they apologized to the citizens of this state, yes they owe us an apology, our tax money funds that school, i would have heard about it.The Fargo Forum would have been all over it

  • FB11

    Sorry Rob but the softball team was punished for a very different offense, you can’t compare the two. if the football team had done something similar the hammer would have come down on them as well like it has in other instances where players committed offenses involving alcohol.

    The legislature is commending a North Dakota athletic team that is comprised of over 90 student athletes. Most of which had nothing to do with the petition issue and have committed no crime whatsoever. I doubt some of these private citizens appreciate how you’ve just labeled them as being criminals just because they are on the same team as a dozen people who committed a crime that likely won’t even be on their record in a few months.

    Also NDSU didn’t sweep anything under the rug and there is no evidence of the school even attempting to do so.

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      Yeah because petition registration fraud isn’t as serious as having a team party that might have gotten out of control. That makes no sense what-so-ever.

      • libertarian

        so people potentially losing their lives with alcohol isnt as serious? you guys are the ones who need to get your priorities straight

        • camsaure

          That is a piss poor response. What are you going to state next? al least they didn’t shoot anybody?

      • spud

        I think UND hockey has proven for a fact that a boozer is a loser in the long run. The AD pushed those suspensions on the player’s not Hakstol. I think the boozing stories of UND will now be a thing of the past. NDSU wins the big games UND hockey not so much. Yes NDSU could have handled this better that is a fact but in the end they got through it and won. If UND could figure out how to succeed through there players stupidity maybe some Grand Forks legislator would offer up some congrats to them for being champions instead of there’s always next year.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Sorry, but forging tens of thousands of signatures is the more serious crime, ethically speaking.

  • libertarian

    the ndsu softball players partook in hazing activities. the ndsu football players partook i na victimless crime. you cant compare the two. here you go again with your dumb bashing of ndsu. you clearly have it out for ndsu. where are your articles on the und players getting the new frosh insanely drunk? if you have some i will gladly rescind my statement

  • libertarian

    btw there are around 100 players or so affiliated with the current football team. i guess they are pretty much all criminals according to you.

  • devilschild

    I’m with Rob on this one. And if all the other side can do is criticize him and call him names than you don’t have much in the way of a case.

  • Vugg

    such fine young men for examples to other youth. i would like to see MN annex fargo.

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