What Neiman Said.

Money changers… Jesus didn’t call the cops to run them out.

HE did it.
Gene on October 1, 2009 at 12:06 pm

And that is what I am saying to you here:

May I suggest that you go to your local unemployment office and blow the whistle?
Drop some names, along with an anonymous complaint.
Call your local newspapers, TV stations, or personally confront these “several friends who are getting unemployment and have no intention of trying to get on the books work.”
To do anything less is to be part of the problem you are describing. Said with different words you are an enabler.

ellinas on October 1, 2009 at 10:07 am

But you said:

I’m not a Cop. It’s not my place.
Gene on October 1, 2009 at 10:19 am

And after all this we come full circle back to this:

What Neiman Said.

Money changers… Jesus didn’t call the cops to run them out.

HE did it.[/quote]
Gene on October 1, 2009 at 12:06 pm

HE did it you say.

And I told you:

YOU do it.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

I know several people who are not intending to look until their unemployment is ready to run out (don’t worry Dino they are all Democrats, so it’s OK that they are sucking on the government’s teat). All they do is play World of Warcraft [for Gene it's a massively muliplayer online roleplaying game] 8-10 hours a day, when they aren’t busy being a farmer or a gansta in facebook.

You are absolutely right.

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Unemployment is PAID FOR BY WORKERS every time they are on the books

Sure, until they extend it past the point paid for by the workers, like they’ve done once already, and they are doing now a second time.

That’s called a “handout” because it’s not your money you are getting back.

Adam Smith’s “Enlightened Self Interest” is what they are doing. I’m not a Cop. It’s not my place. I would much rather see the true enablers stop…. Government.

This is not just unemployment, it’s the whole government hand out scheme.

What really ticks me off is this, this would have been soooo easy. Just give a ONE YEAR no SS, no Unemployment, No withholding. NOTHING to the whole economy. ONE YEAR. Make it possible for everyone to come out from underground and become “Legal”. In the last month I know 3 companies who fired all their employees and are now paying them cash money. They don’t need the write off from income tax, they ain’t making any money. So the economy is encouraging the prosperity of the underground economy in spades.

Said with different words you are an enabler.

No (as Gene stated): The system that allows for extended handouts is the enabler. Read the title of the post. Talking to the unemployment office would be a waste of time. It’s the politicians who repeatedly extend benefits who are the problem.

No (as Gene stated): The system that allows for extended handouts is the enabler. Read the title of the post. Talking to the unemployment office would be a waste of time. It’s the politicians who repeatedly extend benefits who are the problem.

electnixon on October 1, 2009 at 10:37 am

electnixon,
My view is very different than yours.
The scoundrels need to be exposed. It is everybody’s duty to make sure the system works well for the needy and not the greedy.
If Gene is scared to do the right thing, give me the names addresses etc, and I will do the deed.
I pay for someone else to root out corruption is not an excuse. It is a sign of cowardice.

I don’t know how Jesus got into this conversation. Jesus exposed sins, but one-on-one, face-to-face, He did not “rat” people out to the authorities or get entangled in the affairs of this world system. As a Christian to extend a hand to a brother or sister in Christ, money, a place to sleep, help getting a job and lots of prayer would seem to me to be the biblical response.

The truth is never as simple as some simple minded people might suggest. The number of jobs available, the willingness of low paying employers to hire people with credentials, skills and experience only to lose them in months keeps that door fairly closed, there are numerous factors in our society that now makes it harder to jump back into the workforce. So, I believe a great many people are seeking jobs and looking to get back on track as UI does not rich people make or bills meet. So, a little less kicking people when they are down may be in order.

I don’t know how Jesus got into this conversation….
Neiman on October 1, 2009 at 11:28 am

Gene said he is with those that practice Dominion Theology:

“Dominion Theology is a grouping of theological systems with the common belief that society should be governed exclusively by the law of God as codified in the Bible, to the exclusion of secular law. The two main streams of Dominion Theology are Christian Reconstructionism and Kingdom now theology. Though these two differ greatly in their general theological orientation (the first is strongly Reformed and Neo-Calvinistic, the second is Charismatic), they share a postmillenial vision in which the kingdom of God will be established on Earth through political and (in some cases) even military means.“

If he (Gene) is willing to establish the kingdom of God on Earth through political and (in some cases) even military means, I do not comprehend his hesitation to turn in those scurrilous squirrels.

Health care insurance companies are nothing but money changers.

Wrong! Maybe “money changers” doesn’t mean what you think it means.

the willingness of low paying employers to hire people with credentials, skills and experience

The reason that employers won’t hire those people is that we as a Nation have priced them out of the market. Who would pay north of $7 for a $4 employee?

keep a large chunk for themselves.

On average, I think they keep 3.4%?

So, another false equivalence. A business is not a “temple” for real Americans. It’s where we go to pay for what we want.
Take some econ courses, if you don’t know the difference.
If we get the greedy govt out of the transaction, it will be a voluntary contract for free people making free choices. When govt mandates things, the trouble begins, like the affirmative action home loan mandates destroyed to home loan market.

FYI, here is the definition of “moneychanger” from Merriam-Webster:

money changer
One entry found.

Main Entry: money changer
Function: noun
Date: 15th century

1 : one whose business is the exchanging of kinds or denominations of currency
2 : a device for holding and dispensing sorted change

It’s clear that insurance companies don’t even come close to fitting that definition.
Again, there is ignorance at play on this thread.

Health care insurance companies are money changers.

That is my biggest problem with you! You have clearly been proven wrong about the money changer charge, neither Biblically, spiritually or by secular definition can it correctly apply. But, rather than humbly admitting you were wrong, you will always defend what you now know to be absolutely false. That is a spirit of deception, a love for that which is false and an inability to admit the truth.

You simply cannot tell the truth!

Neiman: Don’t listen to the serpent. He lives to lie. Truth is meaningless to him.

Health care insurance companies are money changers.

Do they see patients?

Do they preform surgeries?

Do the take care of babies?

Health care insurance companies are money changers.

What should Jesus do?

The unemployed also have much more time to smoke, drink and get high on pot.

Again, you are unable to read the definition and also lack the basic knowledge of economics to know any better, so you continue to repeat your lie.

So you don’t want Jesus to help save America?

Nice to see han, rbb and other trolls frothing from the mouth. Bladder all you want, yawl going to get your asses handed to you in November.

docdave on August 29, 2008 at 06:59 pm

So you don’t want Jesus to help save America?

You and your father are so good at twisting truth and even making lies out of false, questions. I could ask, “have you stopped molesting little boys yet?”

No

So you are still sexually molesting little boys, are you a registered sex offender or not been caught yet?

Health care insurance companies are money changers.
Do they see patients?
Do they preform surgeries?
Do the take care of babies?
Health care insurance companies are money changers.

What should Jesus do?

Car insurance people service no cars. They set no appointments. They change no tires. They sign no warranty papers.

Yet when some poor guy rear ends you who can’t afford to pay, you’ll thank God he has insurance so you’re not out a ride.

Is car insurance therefore evil?

People in hospital billing save no patients, deliver no babies, do no X-Rays, but are the ones who make sure hospitals get paid.

Are they evil?

Bank tellers invest no money, they create no profit, create no equity, and do little more than handle money. But without the teller, you get no cash at the bank.

Are they evil?

What about the cashier at the market? He produces no product. Creates no sevice. Advances no cause. But the market would stop without people to collect the cash.

Are they evil too?

Of course, in the real world, there are multitudes of positions (and even whole businesses) which create nothing themselves, but instead are cogs in a process that keep the system running. It is not just the farmer that is essential for me to get food, but also his laborers, the people who sell to him, the transport driver who brings his crops to market, the market owners who buy them, the boys and girls who check to make sure the crop is worth selling, the stockers, and those who create the systems to keep the crops watered in shop, and finally, the cashier who allows me to purchase the crop.

While only the farmer (and his workers) create the crops, without all those other positions, the food would not get to me, and I would not get fed. Yet, by your definition, all these extra positions are little more than “food changers” as they provide no product of their own. And therefore, I suppose they are evil and should be done away with.

Your foolish view of commerce would return us to the stone age.

The bad part about pushing the economy underground is that it also takes effort to keep your business under the table. Pushing business under the table by excessive regulations and such makes us all poorer.

And we have another screecher.

For reference, Johnny, I did lose a job this year. However, I didn’t lose my house, car, dog, or anything else due to that job loss because I’d actually bothered to save and pay off debts with my income while I had it.

So instead of worrying about when the bank would call, I enjoyed a lot of extra time with my family. I looked for new work, and did things I’d wanted to do for a long time. Unemployment can be rough, but if you take care during the “seven good years” of employment, it’s quite manageable.

Which illustrates a huge moral hazard of unemployment insurance; it acts to dissuade people from saving for a rainy day, and then those people find their job–and all their stuff bought on credit–is gone.

This post sounds like Dino’s idiot guff calling unemployment a handout. Unemployment is PAID FOR BY WORKERS every time they are on the books. For decades employers have made it clear that money they pay out for unemployment tax is money they would have been able to pay workers if the government didn’t have such an insurance plan.

On top of this, we pay into the national kitty many thousands of dollars over our lifetimes, many of us in the middle class shelling out over $500,000 during our working years from sixteen to sixty-six and what do we get out of it?

What we pay out more than covers the basics the government should be doing such as defense, law enforcement and infrastructure. Which are already artificially inflated due to political corruption (what else can you call it when contracts are loaded with extras and overcharges and no one in government ever really questions any of it because they are getting campaign contributions from the very companies and individuals getting the government’s business).

Above and beyond this comes the hogs to the trough feeding of the most massive welfare program on Earth, government employment. Millions of people work jobs whose very reason for existence is spending on things the nation does not absolutely need or could have been handled by the states and they do so at very good wages compared to the private sector which might actually have more money to pay, but the government keeps fucking taking it all on pain of tax evasion charges.

This upper middle class collegiate welfare system for people who can get a degree in a field they are utterly incompetent in or in which jobs do not actually exist (half the liberal arts degrees have no direct equivalent jobs and very little real application) is paid for by ME.

Today I went to my city hall to pay taxes and noted that the TAXPAYER FUNDED PARKING LOT was ONE FUCKING THIRD RESERVED SPACES for city employees. THERE IS NOT ONE RESERVED SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PAY THE FUCKING TAXES. The majority of the rest of the spaces are other city employees who don’t get a reserved spot with their job. The city library shares that parking lot with the city hall and people wonder why the usage of the library is largely walk-ins from the projects and streets looking for a temperature controlled place to kill time during the day.

Their attitude screams out, “pay us, and go through hell to do it losers.” To us, the ones who pay the bills.

And you wonder why people want to go off the radar?

The extension of the benefits is not in and of itself making things worse in the here and now. Like the false stimulus butt fucking congress gave the economy, it is a there and then problem, a bill to be paid later.

The problem is that as long as the number one mission in mind when dealing with law and policy as it concerns the economy is NOT the prosperity of the entire nation and maximizing the opportunities for same across the board, but is instead the constant self-aggrandizement of the political class with crass and deliberate disregard for the welfare of the nation and their fellow citizens, then the economy will be a glass more than half empty affair where most fields remain employers’ markets and ridiculous and nearly unobtainable job requirements can be put out for jobs that they are willing to leave empty for months or years until that one mutant weirdo with qualifications for twice the salary walks in willing to take it in the ass for half what they are worth.

As it has been basically in machining since the collapse of the defense industry when congress willy-nilly slashed defense spending after the Cold War and the end of the Soviet Union. And in information technology since the dot com collapse almost a decade ago.

Instead of real actual infrastructure projects to ease the masses of manufacturing people sideways and keep them as productive citizens, congress just acts as though they can spin the economy on a dime. Well, we all know they can’t. For millions, the economy is a drunkard with a baseball bat waiting to smack them.

Stability, prosperity, opportunity, honesty, mutual respect, patriotism, and so on are utterly absent from the government and have been since Nixon. We tilt at the windmills of belief and action, but we lie and we go back to letting the most avaricious and selfish run the government.

That would be the Democratic Party dominated by the left wing and the cynical nihilistic neocons of the Republican Party. The first knows damn well what causes economic success and does the opposite specifically to conserve the money and power to themselves and their chosen groups, and the other has not the slightest fucking clue and treats it like a game of Whack-A-Mole.

THAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM.