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Yeah, how stupid of those people who do all the work wanting to collectively bargain to get fair wages and safe working conditions. What a bunch of kooks.

So I take it you are ignoring the socialist holiday and going to work today?

So I take it you are ignoring the socialist holiday and going to work today?

Yes, actually.

Yeah, how stupid of those people who do all the work wanting to collectively bargain to get fair wages and safe working conditions. What a bunch of kooks.

Collective bargaining is one thing.  Thuggish extortion, riots, violence, intimidation and using the coercive power of government to subjugate business owners and bully workers who don’t want to unionize is quite another.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Besides, most union-preferred policies tend to ultimately help big-business anyway.  Because small businesses typically can’t keep up with the compliance costs for all the labor and minimum wage regulations, but Wal-Mart and Exxon can.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Wrong Rob, might want to read the actual history of Labor Day:  http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/P15/

So hooray for organized thuggery!  And the next time you hear of a factory closing in the United States or jobs being moved overseas, be sure to thank a union member!

Absolutely…and dream of the day when American wages reach the level found overseas. The sooner employers can set wage rates without fear of reprisal then the sooner American workers can really start making some free choices.

To the barricades!

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

12% of American workers belong to a union.

Where’s the beef?

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

The sooner employers can set wage rates without fear of reprisal then the sooner American workers can really start making some free choices.

Typical leftie economic ignorance, right out of Marx.  The fact is that govt takes a large share of the value created by the cooperation between capital and labor, and that is where the real theft takes place.  The govt confiscation through taxation and regulation makes everyone poorer, except for the political class.
The govt exists to take away our freedom.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

MikeA: You see, workers have a choice of whom to work for, but nobody has a choice about govt taxation and regulation, else you get whacked by govt force.  See the difference?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

r108…let’s get government out of the economy and end taxation too. We’ll all be better off making our own free choices without that annoying parasite that is the political class. After all, it’s government policy that is forcing employers to move operations overseas. I repeat…

to the barricades!

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

After all, it’s government policy that is forcing employers to move operations overseas. I repeat…

Well, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then, but you are being sarcastic in your extreme “solution”, of course.
The real answer is to radically limit the size and scope of govt to its Constitutional responsibilities.  Some govt is necessary, but not the all-powerful and all-intrusive govt we have now.  Let’s get rid of all the social engineering schemes(which don’t work, anyway).  We don’t need a political “ruling class”.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Yeah, how stupid of those people who do all the work…

The typical Marxist lie.  The fact is, those people wouldn’t have jobs without capital investment, and without capital equipment, would only be able to produce a fraction of what they can with the capital equipment.  Think of gardening without shovels, hoes, and other capital equipment.  You just don’t get it.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

In the real world those American states that are right to work states are the poorest with the lowest per capita income.

Union states are the richest.

Union states are the richest.

They benefit the most from govt redistribution of all our taxes.  It’s not because of unions, it’s in spite of unions.

Of course, if you can demonstrate an actual cause and effect relationship, go for it!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

The typical Marxist lie.  The fact is, those people wouldn’t have jobs without capital investment, and without capital equipment, would only be able to produce a fraction of what they can with the capital equipment.  Think of gardening without shovels, hoes, and other capital equipment.  You just don’t get it.

Oh, c’mon. Extremist much? It’s a partnership. Most of the US, not to mention the world, is on the labor side. How much do you intend to demean those people? They are you, bitch, and me and our moms, dads, brothers and sisters. I’m a capitalist and an “equity Lord” but I still very much value the hard work of the working class.

You appear to be some irrational blue blood who sees only the value of the capitalized.

Rich union states support poor right to work states . Think NY and Mississippi.

...those people who do all the work...

Your words, Michael, not mine.  Who’s the extremist?  Now, after I called you on your Marxist lie, you dance around to calling it a partnership.  Good going.  Our system relies on the cooperation between labor and capital, but capital is the most productive element, in the vast majority of cases.  That doesn’t mean labor is unimportant, or that workers shouldn’t receive the actual value of their contribution, but they don’t do all the work, not by a long shot.
Without capital investment, we would all be digging in the dirt with our hands.
BTW, the only person I demeaned was you, for your extremist lie. Your juvenile namecalling reveals your true nature.  The truth got you all riled up and emotional.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Rich union states support poor right to work states . Think NY and Mississippi.

(Snort!)
Yeah! Like bringing unions to Mississippi would bring Broadway to Tupelo!
I won’t ask if you ever taken an economics class! But, I will ask you if you ever counted your graham crackers before nap time?

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Rich union states support poor right to work states . Think NY and Mississippi.

I ask again, Woof: Any demonstrable cause and effect relationship, or just another leftie talking point?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Wrong Rob, might want to read the actual history of Labor Day:

So you’re saying that President Garfield didn’t really establish Labor Day to pander to unions who had just got done rioting and murdering in Chicago?

Wow.  Someone apparently slept through history class.  Or got the NEA-approved version of history, anyway.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

r108

We don’t need a political “ruling class”.

I couldn’t agree more although how returning to the “golden” days of nineteenth century political economy hastens that development is beyond me.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

Not to belittle WOOF’s latest silly assertion, but I believe you’ll find that “right to work” states have a far lower cost of living, far lower taxes, and are in fact the ones which are growing in population at the expense of all those high tax, high cost of living unionized “Rust Belt” states.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Absolutely…and dream of the day when American wages reach the level found overseas. The sooner employers can set wage rates without fear of reprisal then the sooner American workers can really start making some free choices.

What utter crap.

American wages grow above the rate of inflation nearly every single year.  And if workers are free to choose to associate themselves with labor unions, shouldn’t employers be afforded the same opportunity when it comes to unions or union workers?

I don’t think unions should be banned.  I just think the status quo, where unions are shoved down the throats of American business by law, isn’t productive for our economy.

I say free choices all around.  workers can choose to join unions.  Unions can choose to strike.  Businesses can refuse to work with unions and choose to fire union workers.

What’s so bad about freedom?

12% of American workers belong to a union.

That’s because the American economy has moved away from manufacturing and jobs of that nature where unions tended to dominate.  And it’s a good thing, though people upset at the idea of those factory jobs leaving the country can thank unions for needlessly inflating wages.

But it’s all the same BS class-struggle crap the pseudo-communist unions have been pushing for years.  As long as people are capable of envy, the union socialists will have someone to prey upon.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

returning to the “golden” days of nineteenth century political economy hastens that development is beyond me.

See, that’s a big lie.  Our economy modernized despite the unions and their thuggery, not necessarily because of them.

Even I will admit that unions did some good, but they’ve long since outlived their usefulness.  Which, of course, is why union enrollment declines every single year.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

I couldn’t agree more although how returning to the “golden” days of nineteenth century political economy hastens that development is beyond me.

In the first place, I have never advocated anything of the sort, so you just made that up.
In the second place, it is the unions who wish to return to their “glory days”.
Despite the predations of big govt taxation and regulation, our free enterprise economy continues to grow, and to deselect unionism.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Rob: The reference to the Nineteenth Century is about the mythology of the “robber barons”, which was created by the commie political writers of the time.  There are now several books available that tell the truth about that time, and it is radically different from the PC version of things.
Private ownership of capital was very limited at that time, so a few successful people did most of the heavy lifting in the building of the infrastructure of this country.  As usual, the writers of the time played the class envy card very heavily, as did the union leaders and most of the politicians, in order to buy votes, just like they do today with their socialist lies.
Just like the so-called “McCarthyism”, the myth of the “robber barons” is still believed by many ignorant lefties.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I think you’ll also find that the so-called Robber Barons were reined in only at the behest of the Robber Barons competitors.  They couldn’t compete with Rockefellers rock bottom gas prices of Vanderbilts super cheap steamship fares.

The consumers were the beneficiaries of their hard work and Congress had to put a stop to that.  Can’t let the little people get a good deal I guess.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

The problem with the pronouncements of liberals such as WOOF (”... union states are the richest.”) or Mike Adamson (”.and dream of the day when American wages reach the level found overseas.”) is that they are so tediously wedded to the childish notion of static analysis.  Comparing absolute dollars without considering the relative purchasing power is just plain stupid.

What would be a $500,000 house in metro Atlanta would cost at least twice as much in those northern, unionized, Rust Belt states, WOOF.  And several times more in places like California.

And Mike, how much are you paying for a gallon of regular unleaded gas?  I’m betting its more than I paid for unleaded premium a couple days ago.  In France, Germany, and similar bastions of benign collectivism, the per square foot price of housing is several times the market rate here in Georgia or North Carolina, and so is the price of gas.

Perhaps in absolute terms wages are indeed higher in unionized states than in right-to-work states.  But if prices of nearly everything, including taxes, are also higher, where’s the advantage?  If I can buy more, and save more, with fewer dollars, the real economic advantage is mine.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat: Great analysis and exposition of the facts.  In addition, Woof just spews his propaganda, with no facts/logic to explain any cause and effect relationship that can be proved.  Typical.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

TW: Good points.  In fact, in a society run by free people making free choices, govt should be a minor player, with successful businesses being the mainstay of our country.
Feeling threatened, Big Govt created both the Sherman AntiTrust Act(although unions were exempted, strangely) and created corporations as the “antidote” to the success of big business.
Imagine our prosperity if govt weren’t so controlling and insecure.  You can sell more and better stuff to wealthy people.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Rob

Our economy modernized despite the unions and their thuggery, not necessarily because of them.

I’m agnostic on the issue of unionisation and modernisation…I doubt that unionisation has had much impact one way or the other. Where I think unionisation’s historical impact lays is in helping to establish a minimum standard of living. I’m no defender of the myriad abuses of union power we’ve seen but those abuses haven’t been any more significant than abuses perpetrated by other groups in society…IMO of course.

The growth of governmental supports is what’s killed unions…they just aren’t needed as they were in the days of small government and thus we see only 12% of workers unionised in America today. Again IMO.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

Bat…I was thinking more in terms of American wages versus those in China and Vietnam for example rather than between American states. American employers would be thrilled to see wage levels similar to those found in the rapidly developing economies of Asia since they wouldn’t have to bother moving jobs overseas. As for the price of gas, so what?

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

Where I think unionisation’s historical impact lays is in helping to establish a minimum standard of living.

But that has also promoted big business over small business, and union people claim to hate big business.  Yet things like the minimum wage and such overwhelmingly impact small business more than big business.  When people talk about a “living wage” in this country they usually invoke Wal-Mart, yet when the minimum wage went up recently Wal-Mart didn’t have to change one single wage.  Because Wal-Mart had people making well over minimum wage for a long time before that.

But you know who did have to raise wages?  Smaller stores that compete with Wal-Mart.  Local stores.  Family-run stores.  It hit them hard.

Of course, I don’t credit the unions with raising the standard of living in this country.  I credit normal economic evolution.  There was a time when America was where many east-Asian nations are in terms of economy.  Mostly we had agrarian jobs, or low-income high-labor manufacturing jobs.  Now our economy has evolved beyond that…and eventually these Asian nations will as well.

The only impact unions have on this is slowing the process by promoting protectionist, isolationist trade and labor policies.

The growth of governmental supports is what’s killed unions…they just aren’t needed as they were in the days of small government and thus we see only 12% of workers unionised in America today

I agree that things like OSHA have made unions largely an anachronism, but those things aside unions have mostly declined because America’s economy has changed.  It used to be that an American would have only two or three jobs, tops, in a lifetime often staying at one job for decades.  Now, people move around in jobs all the time.  Which is ok because it’s a more demand-driven job market.  Better for everyone involved.

The goal of any business or economy is to be flexible.  Things change quickly in this modern economy.  Technologies change.  Tastes change. 

We don’t have much room for organizations that promote policies where workers stay in one job doing one thing for decades and decades without ever getting laid off as the business landscape changes.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Not to belittle WOOF’s latest silly assertion, but I believe you’ll find that “right to work” states have a far lower cost of living, far lower taxes, and are in fact the ones which are growing in population at the expense of all those high tax, high cost of living unionized “Rust Belt” states

.How can one not belittle the nonsense that poodle posts.  Right to work right states are the poorest indeed, obviously fido has never been to Texas.  And if Union states are the richest, why have so many people from those states migrating to right to work states?

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

Union states are the richest

Rebuttal: Michigan.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Umm, the lefties constantly decry the fact that more and more stuff is being manufactured overseas.

I don’t agree with them, but aren’t the unions responsible for those jobs leaving here. 

(And business for stepping in and creating new non-unionized industries.)

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Rob writes:

So you’re saying that President Garfield didn’t really establish Labor Day to pander to unions who had just got done rioting and murdering in Chicago?

Rob writes: 

remember that your day off from work today was created by a Democrat, Grover Cleveland,

Rob then writes: 

Wow.  Someone apparently slept through history class.  Or got the NEA-approved version of history, anyway.

Having a bad day?  I slept through history class?  Which president was it?  And what union do I belong to?

Oh yeah and this:
Rob writes: 

The only reason Labor Day is today instead of May 1st, the traditional day of international socialist celebration, is because President Cleveland didn’t want to make it too obvious that he was pandering to commies.

Mind giving me a link where this information can be substantiated?

why have so many people from those states migrating to right to work states?

To retire with their pensions, something the natives don’t get.

Michigan per capita income 33,116

Mississippi per capita income 25,318

 

  Union states are the richest

Rebuttal: Michigan.

The highest insured unemployment rates in the week ending Aug. 11 were in Puerto Rico (3.8 percent), New Jersey (3.0), Pennsylvania (2.9), Rhode Island (2.8), Michigan (2.7), Alaska (2.5), Massachusetts (2.5), Arkansas (2.4), Connecticut (2.4), and California (2.3).

The largest increases in initial claims for the week ending Aug. 18 were in Michigan (+3,254), Florida (+1,304), North Carolina (+870), Virginia (+274), and Idaho (+237)

Michigan had more initial claims than the next four states combined!
US Dept Labor

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From Wikipedia:

With the Chicago Haymarket riots in early May of 1886, President Grover Cleveland believed that commemorating Labor Day on May 1 could become an opportunity to commemorate the riots. Thus, fearing that it might strengthen the socialist movement, he quickly moved in 1887 to support the position of the Knights of Labor and their date for Labor Day.

You’re really going to tell me that the Soviet Union and other socialist, totalitarian regimes around the world didn’t commemorate the Haymarket Riots on May 1st, May Day, with a show of the military that kept their millions of slave-citizens in bondage?

My goodness, Puzzled, crack a history book now and then.

And sorry about the Garfield/Cleveland mix-up.  I’ve done that for years, and I’m not sure why.  But surely you’re not going to try and turn that typo into a refutation of my factually-based, overarching point are you?

Probably.  Because I’m right, and you’re trying to change the subject as usual.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

And what union do I belong to?

Did I say you belonged to a union, or are you hallucinating again?

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob,I didn’t know wiki was a history book! You write as if Labor Day was Cleveland’s idea.  It was started long before the Haymarket riots and originated with the unions themselves and states started passing labor day in September.  So it wasn’t a stretch for Cleveland to go with September, it already was identified as Labor day around the country.

See, Rob, I did crack a history and didn’t rely on Wiki.

Oh and Rob, if you’re going to take a jab at me and my union at least get the union right!

Puzzled, I know your reading comprehension skills are in pretty rough shape, but please note that my reference to the NEA was a jab at your public school education and not whatever group of union goons you’ve spent your life being a shill for.

As for my portrayal of the history of labor day, it is entirely accurate if perhaps more than a little inconvenient for people like you who prefer a whitewashed version of organized labor’s history.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

The only impact unions have on this is slowing the process by promoting protectionist, isolationist trade and labor policies.

Don’t forget raising operating costs beyond what the market would support.  They penalize all of us for their own selfish power needs.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

American employers would be thrilled to see wage levels similar to those found in the rapidly developing economies of Asia since they wouldn’t have to bother moving jobs overseas.

Nice attempt at class envy, but you have no proof of what you assert.  If what you said was true, no business would choose to locate in the US, with its much higher standard of living, so why do they even have to move away?  I know that’s a tough question for one who follows Marxist “economics”, but the answer is very simple.
Most US businessmen would prefer to remain in the US, for a panoply of reasons, but are generally forced out by punitive unionism, taxation and regulation.  In your economic ignorance, you assume it’s all about wages, but you are dead wrong.  It’s about govt produced overhead, along with restrictive regulations, that drives businesses away.  American workers are the most productive in the world, and are worth the value they create in the workplace.  It’s the greedy govt that drives businesses away.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

MikeA: In your obsolete “Labor Theory of Value”, how do you explain Japanese auto manufacturers choosing to locate in the US?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Rob writes: 

As for my portrayal of the history of labor day, it is entirely accurate if perhaps more than a little inconvenient for people like you who prefer a whitewashed version of organized labor’s history.

Gee Rob, I didn’t know that Bush was posting a whitewashed version of our history on the Department of Labor website.

Nice attempt at class envy, but you have no proof of what you assert.

I’m not sure about class envy but I’m pretty sure that employers prefer lower wage costs to higher costs. Why do you think otherwise?

In your obsolete “Labor Theory of Value”, how do you explain Japanese auto manufacturers choosing to locate in the US?

I’m not sure how Marx’s Labour Theory of Value applies but I’m pretty sure that the Japanese build cars in America to beat the tariffs, to take advantage of the lower costs entailed by selling where they’re building and to be able to market their models as American.

I know that’s a tough question for one who follows Marxist “economics”, but the answer is very simple.

That my “economics” appear Marxist to you demonstrates how utopian your vision of capitalism is. I do enjoy reading your stuff though because I come across such opinions so rarely.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”

Arthur Schopenhauer

Your words, Michael, not mine.  Who’s the extremist?  Now, after I called you on your Marxist lie, you dance around to calling it a partnership.  Good going.  Our system relies on the cooperation between labor and capital, but capital is the most productive element, in the vast majority of cases.  That doesn’t mean labor is unimportant, or that workers shouldn’t receive the actual value of their contribution, but they don’t do all the work, not by a long shot.
Without capital investment, we would all be digging in the dirt with our hands.
BTW, the only person I demeaned was you, for your extremist lie. Your juvenile namecalling reveals your true nature.  The truth got you all riled up and emotional.

Marxist lie? Haven’t gotten over the Red scare there in ND yet, apparently.

I’m sorry, I spoke incorrectly. Labor does 99% of the work. Management manages to fit 1% in somewhere between rounds of golf and fucking their mistress.

Seriously, you sound like you are drowning in Right Wing sewer. Get out and look around you. Working people make the world go round. Rich people always get confused about this.  They are the ones who would be “digging in the dirt with [their] hands” if they weren’t exploiting a workforce. Not to mention Daddy’s money.

Don’t get me wrong: I exploit a workforce for my living. I’m just not so divorced from reality that I think that labor is somehow the root of all evil. It’s quite the opposite.

Labor does 99% of the work.

Another lie.  Without capital investment, there’s no work for labor to do.  Labor is dependent on capital, except for subsistence farming and family crafting.

Don’t get me wrong: I exploit a workforce for my living.You speak for yourself only.  Most employers are honest. I’m just not so divorced from reality that I think that labor is somehow the root of all evil. I never said that, and don’t believe it, so you just made that up out of your own value system. It’s quite the opposite.  Like any other group of human beings, labor runs the gamut of behavior.  They are neither all good or all evil.  Rather, it is the Marxists who use labor as “useful idiots” to gain totalitarian power.  Shame on you!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I’m not sure how Marx’s Labour Theory of Value applies but I’m pretty sure that the Japanese build cars in America to beat the tariffs, to take advantage of the lower costs entailed by selling where they’re building and to be able to market their models as American.

I’ll ‘splain it to you.  Your assertion that American businesses are moving overseas to use cheaper labor doesn’t jibe with your assertion that the Japanese manufacturers are coming here to cut costs.  You are trying to play both sides here.
The Labor Theory of Value ascribes all value to labor, so that labor cost is the only real factor.  As such, your assertion that American manufacturers relocate to cut labor costs is right in line with what Karl believed.  You’re both wrong.

In fact, it’s punitive taxation and regulation that is driving American business out of the country.  If it were really all about labor costs(as I have already pointed out), then there would be no businesses here in the first place.  Your reasoning doesn’t fit the facts.  GIGO

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!