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Friday, February 22, 2008

“Energy Independence” Is Bunk

Steve Verdon:

One of the things that annoys me is the periodic nonsense about becoming energy independent. This idea that we can “wean ourselves off of oil” is just utter nonsense. The reason for this is that if there were economically viable alternatives to oil as a source of energy that source would be in use today and it would become more and more prevalent. The reality is 180 degrees in the opposite direction. . . .

Can consider this interesting point about Saudi Arabia: they import 83,000 barrels of gasoline a day. A country that sits on top of the largest know oil reserves has to import gasoline. Energy independence is simply not a realistic nor even a smart policy option.

Energy independence is like walling oneself off from trade with others. Sure your neighbor might be able to produce widgets at a lower cost than you can produce widgets and you can produce doodads cheaper than your neighbor can produce doodads, but dammit you wont trade because you might become dependent on your neighbor and he could exercise undue influence on you. Never mind that this is a double edged sword and cuts your neighbor just as much. Dammit you are going to take your lower standard of living and be happy with it because you are an American!

All markets should be global, to my mind.  I see little need to pay $100 extra for a television made in the United States when you can get one made in Korea for less.  I also see little need to pay more for energy produced in the US when we can get energy from places like Canada or Brazil for cheaper.

And for all the harping about finding “renewable” and “clean” energy, that simply isn’t going to happen until those energy alternatives are a marketable alternative to what we’re using now.  That means they have to be as convenient, and as cost-effective otherwise people won’t use them.  Unless the government starts making people use them (see: ethanol mandates), but then that isn’t exactly something a free society should want.

Comments

If we achieve energy independence, won’t that make “them” hate us more than they already do?

Kevin on February 22, 2008 at 11:51 am

Kevin: If you mean foreign dictators and slaveowners(the UN), you’re exactly right.  BTW, it will be the same thing when we go back to the “strong dollar” policy.  We’ll be accused of “economic imperialism”.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 22, 2008 at 11:58 am
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Energy Independence Now!

No more Oil Wars!

Stop funding the terrorists!

Drill in Anwar. 

Build more nuclear power plants

Use More coal.

Use more natural gas

Turn trash into energy

Double the efficiency of windmills and solar cells.

If France can do nuclear power so can we.

If Brazil can do biomass/ethanol power so can we.

If Australia can do LNG power so can we.

Domestically produced energy will end recession and spur the economy.

poetryman69 on February 23, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Double the efficiency of windmills and solar cells.

Even then, they still wouldn’t be practical.

Domestically produced energy will end recession and spur the economy.

We are not in a recession, and the only domestically produced energy that will spur the economy is our own oil.  The rest depends on subsidies to even exist.  So-called “alternative energy” is actually a drain on the economy.

If Brazil can do biomass/ethanol power so can we.

The only reason Brazil used ethanol is because they didn’t have any oil; now that they have deepwater wells off their coast, they are selling their ethanol dirt cheap, because they want to convert to petroleum based energy.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 23, 2008 at 01:48 pm

Double the efficiency of windmills and solar cells.

Hell, I’m feeling generous: Quadruple the efficiency of windmills and solar cells!
And if those pesky laws of physics get in the way, call the ACLU and threaten to sue, because they disproportionately affect the poor!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof on February 23, 2008 at 02:01 pm

"Women and minorities hardest hit.”


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 23, 2008 at 02:05 pm

In their last debate, Hillary bragged she and Barry O will be OK.
It’s the non-elite like they are, that can go to hell!

Kevin on February 23, 2008 at 10:39 pm
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