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I think the guy is a lame scum-bag for doing this sort of thing…

but, lets discuss....

What does this have to do with his abilitly to Govern?

Do you care if your plumber has infidelity issues?
your doctor
your lawyer
teacher
bartender
mechanic

where is the line of who shouldn’t have their job if they are convicted of a missdemeanor?

How many statesmen in our past would we loose if that were the case?

how many current political figures?

Is it right? of course not. 

just wondering where the line is.

OK, first thing; what does it mean that an anonymous source quotes someone saying his wife doesn’t care?  In my mind, it means that we’ve got a gossip who doesn’t understand logic; just because someone says “she doesn’t care” doesn’t mean that it’s true.  Certainly his wife’s face during the announcement certainly didn’t say “I don’t care” to me.

So I’m calling “BS” on this one.  Until someone is willing to have their NAME attached to an allegation, I really can’t believe it.  Plus, if it’s important enough to say NOW, why wasn’t it important enough to bring into the open earlier?

Do I care if people are adulterous?  You bet I do.  Personally, I have contracts with doctors, plumbers, lawyers, and so on.  If they blatantly violate their marriage contract, it also means they’re likely to violate their contracts with me and take advantage of me.  That’s what the nation learned with Roosevelt, Harding, Kennedy, and Clinton.  At the most important times (Teapot Dome, New Deal, Bay of Pigs, War on Terror), these adulterers ignored their promises made.

See “The American Leadership Tradition,” by Marvin Olasky, for more examples.  You bet I care.

brad, last time I checked Spitzer broke the law.  I guess that’s where the line gets crossed.

Of course, this is the same law he used to hold everybody else accountable for, ruined lives, destroyed careers.  It’s only fitting that his career end in exactly the same way.

Oh, I think Mrs. Spitzer probably cared.  It’s just that she was far too ambitious, and far too comfortable as a political wife, to do anything about it.

Insert the name Hillary Rodham Clinton and it still works.

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Oh, I think Mrs. Spitzer probably cared.  It’s just that she was far too ambitious, and far too comfortable as a political wife, to do anything about it.

Oh, I think Mrs. Spitzer probably cared.  It’s just that she was far too ambitious, and far too comfortable as a political wife, to do anything about it.

Rob Port probably wrote this post because he feels guilty for cheating on his wife.

If that statement is inappropriate, so is Rob’s post.

Karma is a bitch, isn’t it?

The rich are really different, aren’t they!

Rich shysters are; they’re members of “the bar,” doncha know?

who the fuck are you to judge?  get real, dickwad.  i know that republicans like to insert themselves into every one’s private lives, telling them that they can’t die or get married, but this is ridiculous.

He did break the law.  A misdemeanor!  Does the punishment fit the crime?

We have so many double standards and are frought with hypocrites.....granted the Gov. Is guilty of both issues.

brad, the difference is that Spitzer held himself up as the moral superior to the entire human race. He built his career on attacking and destroying people for doing EXACTLY what he has admitted to doing himself. THAT affects his ability to “govern”.

Oh, suckpuppet, I see you are spewing in yet another thread.

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I agree that Spitzer is a total ass and certainly deserves what he got. But if we back away a bit and look at the ‘crime” vs the punishment. 
Just because we don’t “like” the guy should have little bearing on the bigger picture.

I wrestle with the idea of Holding Obama accountable for his idiot pastor.  I certainly do not want to be accountable for the pastors that I have had in my life...or the bosses, or colleagues etc…

I just don’t think that hiring a prostitute warrants loosing your job.  You can/should lose your wife, your family, your friends etc… but hell, how many illegitimate children did our first congress leave in Philidelphia? (and no, that doesnt’ make it right...it is just a fact of life)

We start throwing out all the sinners are there are not many of us left…

Actually, how many DID they leave?  There are allegations against Jefferson and Franklin, but a lot of that is built on evidence that I certainly wouldn’t file in court if I were a lawyer--hearsay, DNA tests that cannot exclude nephews, and so on.  It may be, but you can’t posit it as certain.

Moreover, the accusations against Spitzer are technically felonies involving money laundering and the transport of prostitutes across state lines--committed while Spitzer was himself cracking down on prostitution.

Now pardon me, but Spitzer’s felonies DO indeed speak to his ability to do his job, as he made his political career as a prosecutor, and continued to try to do that job as governor.  To put it mildly, I dare suggest that he didn’t proceed on evidence he possessed that could have shut down the Emperor’s Club.

Didn’t affect the way he did his job?  Yeah, sure.

brad:

He did break the law. A misdemeanor! Does the punishment fit the crime?

Based on the precedent that he himself set, yes.

Brad:

I just don’t think that hiring a prostitute warrants loosing your job.

That depends on the job that you hold.  Consorting with prostitutes is something that tends to put the governor of a state in a very compromised position, and open to extortion and blackmail.

This has nothing to do with him being a “sinner,” and everything to do with the jeopardy that committing a felony put him in with respect to his job.

In any case, I have zero sympathy for a guy who abused his position and ruined other people’s lives for exactly the same crime.  And we’re still waiting to hear about how much public money went into this “habit” of his.  Given how corrupt NY state is, I predict we will never hear.

That depends on the job that you hold.  Consorting with prostitutes is something that tends to put the governor of a state in a very compromised position, and open to extortion and blackmail.

This has nothing to do with him being a “sinner,” and everything to do with the jeopardy that committing a felony put him in with respect to his job.

To expand on Carrick’s excellent comments about Spitzer opening himself, a powerful political figure, up to blackmail and manipulation by criminal types there’s also the question of character.

I’m an atheist, and have no particular objection prostitution per se, but I do find it troubling when men cheat on their wives.

Rudy Giuliani’s domestic escapades are a big reason why I didn’t support him in the primary, and Spitzer’s love of hookers makes me feel the same way about him.  After all, if someone is capable of violating something as intimate as a marriage what other violations of trust are they capable of?

That’s a serious question to ask of someone who was trusted with as much public power as Spitzer.

I’m not saying that cheating on one’s spouse automatically disqualifies you from leadership.  Certainly we are all imperfect, but there are degrees as well.  Giving in to temptation once is one thing.  Spending $80,000/year on hookers is quite another.

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-- Thomas Jefferson

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brad? Let me get this straight. As long as it is a Republican we should throw the book at them? As long as they are Democrats they are allowed to commit any crime they wish?

Is this really what you “think” or just what you “feel” after watching some shit on youtube?

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