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Wednesday, May 14, 2008

Double Standards For Politicians And Religion

When Mike Huckabee sent out a Christmas campaign ad with a bookshelf that looked like a cross in the background the left recoiled in horror.

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But now Barack Obama is campaigning in Kentucky with this:

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So...Barack Obama is doing the “Lord’s work” by campaigning for President?  Whither this separation of church and state you’re always on about, liberals?

Does Barack Obama really mean that he’s doing “the Lord’s work,” or is he just thumping the bible for the rubes in the same way he puts on his lapel flag pin when its time to campaign in a red state?

Update: Heh.

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The liba deride the Christians until they want their votes; hypocrits.

So Obama is ‘doing the Lord’s work’.  I don’t remember the ‘Lord’ ever running for public office.  The ‘church of Wright/Obama’ has bastardized everything else in traditional Christian teachings so why not this as well.


The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

docdave on May 14, 2008 at 10:51 am
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Emphasis on “KY”.

Bruce on May 14, 2008 at 11:26 am

When you are a Democrat its different.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on May 14, 2008 at 11:27 am
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And, God said unto Moses, “Oppose any restriction on abortions for teenagers. Take away people’s right to defend themselves from harm. And, above all, judge all people by the color of their skin.”

Bruce on May 14, 2008 at 11:31 am

You preach it, Brother! Got to get people on their knees up in this camp, so as the Lord can supply their healthcare!


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2Hotel9 on May 14, 2008 at 11:35 am

The hypocrites on the Left only complain when a Republican talks about God and his faith.  In 2004, Kerry too was giving political speeches from “historically Black” churches after handing put campaign materials beforehand.

Besides, I’m sure Obama’s wife Michelle told him it was okay to do this.  Looks like he forgot his flag pin again.  Maybe this is one of those “Black liberation theology” churches!


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 14, 2008 at 12:08 pm

I do not want Obama to win the White House. I object to anyone using Christ in their campaigns, Left or Right, as a means of implying God has chosen them. Yet, I find it of value to me to know if the candidate for POTUS believes in God, better for me if He believes in Christ, believes we were founded as one nation under God and that He is the sole Guarantor of our Liberty. I also think that faith is demonstrated in the work that we do; that is, we know the true faith of a man by his words and deeds. Thus, as a single advertisement this doesn’t upset me very much at all.

Such expressions of faith by a candidsate for POTUS is thus comforting to me, if I can see by the actions of that candidate that they actually live their faith. If they say they love God and promote or even just condone the taking of innocent life in the womb, that policy seems to me; that is, in my understanding of God’s Word, to be contrary to the very nature of God, a denial of His Love for every human being and His being the only source of Life. Yet, Obama supports abortion on demand, while I admit he like Billy Jeff covers his political posterior by saying he only wants choice for women and wants abortion to be safe and rare. He also falsely uses the Sermon on the Mount as justification for homosexual marriage, with caveats like each state must decide.

Thus, my many words above were designed to this end: The expression of a Christian Faith by Obama does not seem, IMO, to be reflected very well in some of his policy choices and while like any candidate we cannot insist he not make claims to a Christian faith as part of his campaign, this all rings a bit hollow, contrived and politically expedient.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on May 14, 2008 at 12:17 pm

Barack Obama has gotten - and will continue to get - a free pass from the MSM which is mesmerized by a young, articulate African-American while, at the same time, fearful that they will be branded as racists if they criticize anything about him.

Can you imagine the reaction if John McCain had stood in front of a cross and said he is doing God’s work!!??


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on May 14, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Pparets: While I generally agree with you about the MSM being a tool in this affair, I must submit for your consideration that far too many people are open to this great deception because they want, they ache for a messiah, someone to force peace and safety upon us and the world; and they willingly ignore or choose to be ignorant of the fact that such a man and his ability to force such things upon the great unwashed, illiberal masses will be the enemy of liberty.

Gorbachev said send us (world) such a man and be he an angel or the devil we (world) would worship him. I am not suggesting anything about Obama other than he, along with the MSM and the forces of liberalism are blinding people to a great deception in the Obama candidacy that will bring great harm our nation, IMO.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on May 14, 2008 at 12:44 pm
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Is it legal to do political stumping from a church lectern?  My pastor never tells us how to vote and I’d be ticked if he did but my question is more just the legality.  I’m assuming he’s in a structure owned by a tax exempt religious organization.  Is Obama doing this during a religious service?  Does that make a difference under the law?

FlyOnTheWall on May 14, 2008 at 01:28 pm

Barack Obama is campaigning in Kentucky with this

Hmmm! Seems bitter!



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on May 14, 2008 at 01:36 pm

Well, they are the “Democratic” party that has “delegates” and “superdelegates” designed to override anything democratic.

Democrats - all they have are their lies.

“liberal”
“progressive”
“Democratic”
“pro-choice”
“affirmative action”
“positive discrimination”
“equality”
“separation of church and state”
“reality based”

The only thing that the Democrats are good at are redefining words and phrases to mean the exact opposite of their real definitions.

An accurate description of the Democrats are the “upside downers”. They invert reality.

Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.

likwidshoe on May 14, 2008 at 02:15 pm

Fly, I do believe that a few churches have been punished for such. Seems I remember that happening.

Guess it all depends on who you are.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on May 14, 2008 at 02:51 pm

FlyOnTheWall - Is it legal to do political stumping from a church lectern?

No, but it should be.

Free speech shouldn’t be beholden to a federal tax exempt status.

Today, the feds hold court over the speech that goes on inside American churches. The “liberal” upside downers have read into the 1st Amendment and have found an unsaid “separation of church and state”. In true upside downer fashion, “separation of church and state” really means a fusion of church and state.

This:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Becomes:

Congress shall make laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion and abridging the freedom of speech.

And we get tax code speech restrictions and “Fairness Doctrine” laws.

This inversion of reality was brought to you by the reality based™ liberals™ working to further progressive™ solutions for our shared cause™.

likwidshoe on May 14, 2008 at 03:15 pm
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Barak Obama is not a Christian as he would have us to believe. His ‘Christianity’ is based on some of the most false teachings ever voiced from the pulpit.

In his mind, Jesus, who is of the House of David (a Jew) is Black. That is just be beginning of many, many, false concepts he accepts as truth.

His personal life is just as hidden. There are many that describe Obama as a ‘reformed homosexual.’ Hillary Clinton’s statement to Obama was, “Man up!” Now you know the why of her statement!

Obama’s ideas as to how to Preside is to ‘Throw money at the problem.’ If that does not work, ‘throw more money at it!’ After all, it is not his money he seeks to spend, it is YOURS!

Lee S Gliddon Jr on May 14, 2008 at 05:31 pm
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Posted you at Liberty Peak.

Good stuff!

Irish Cicero on May 14, 2008 at 05:59 pm
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or is he just thumping the bible for the rubes in the same way he puts on his lapel flag pin when its time to campaign in a red state?

Actually, it’s a lot like the flag pin.  Obama didn’t like how hypocrites wore the pin, but voted against supporting the Veterans who were returning from Bush’s war. 

Much like the hypocrites that sit in church, but do nothing but line their pockets, Obama was out there actually doing the Lord’s work.

It’s pretty simple.  And that is why you probably don’t understand it.

Hannitized on May 14, 2008 at 08:48 pm

It’s pretty simple.  And that is why you probably don’t understand it.

Defend it then H. Give me a good case why Barack Obama isn’t a lying shitbag. Unlike everyone else here, I called this douchebag by name long before ANYONE else came on board.

Everytime you try, you just call everyone a liar. Give me a fact based reason to support Obama, and feel free to send it to me via PM.

Kenny on May 14, 2008 at 11:35 pm

Kenny:  H can’t send you a PM.  He’s not an SAB member.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on May 15, 2008 at 03:23 am

Obama didn’t like how hypocrites wore the pin,

But, he still puts it on when he feels it’s politically expedient. Way to stand on principle, Barack! /sarcasm



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on May 15, 2008 at 04:40 am

BTW, Han-job, whether or not Obama wears the flag pin is off-topic. The topic is, why did the MSM have palpitations and hissy fits over a bookcase which resembled a cross in an ad for a Republican politician and a big “Ho hum” for a politician in from of a giant, lighted cross in front of a church, with the candidate standing in what is obviously a pulpit, as part of his campaign?

It’s called a D-o-u-b-l-e S-t-a-n-d-a-r-d.
It’s pretty simple.  And that is why you probably don’t understand it.  Heh.



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on May 15, 2008 at 04:44 am
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selecting a presidential candidate can be such an emotional transaction that people tend not to see the logic of their argument.

if the cross is wrong,,, then its wrong.
unless America wants to agree to limits and what those limits are.  To my knowledge, there was no restrictions for either party to get infront of a cross during their campaigning.

I’m very sorry the double standards isnt understood.  May I also say that Im not a Christian so Im not in any way pushing the faith.

Henry on May 15, 2008 at 12:07 pm
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