Don’tcha Wish There Was an Oil Man in the White House Now?

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Remember how, just a few years back, when we had a real president, every time the price of gasoline would go up, you could count on some liberal to screech about how Bush and Cheney were “oil men” and they were just “helping their buddies in the oil bidness”? (Actually, they didn’t say “bidness”. They weren’t cool enough to pull it off!) Wish I had a nickel for every time I heard that!

And now we have in the White House, a man who’s never been in any kind of business and the prices have gone up even faster. How can that be? Does Obama have friends in the oil bidness, too? What’s his excuse?

And then, there was Nancy Pelosi. When she assumed the speakership, gas was around $1.80- $2.00 a gallon. She was outraged! And she pledged that her Democrat controlled House would “do something about it”! I guess we should have asked her to be a little more specific about what they were going to do!

And two dirty little secrets, one, Democrat social planners have been advocating raising taxes on gasoline to drive the price up to five dollars a gallon, to reduce gasoline consumption (and keep us all poorer). And two, government already pulls in more cash from a gallon of gas than oil companies make in profits.

Look at this chart from Daily Markets last year:

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State and Federal gas taxes combined, take 26 to 68 cents a gallon and funnels it straight to the government. Oil company profits are around two per cent, and those evil SOBs are just out to screw you.

So, let me get this straight…the people who stand to make the most from high oil prices are…the government tax collectors. And some politicians want to demonize the people who actually bust their hump to bring the energy to you, when the government levies taxes twenty five times as high as oil company profits, on every gallon of gas you buy. As our progressieve friends like to say, the gas taxes are regressive taxes that hit the poor hardest. The poor pay proportionally more for gas to look for work or to commute to a job than the upper or middle classes. Why doesn’t some good liberal suggest lowering the gas tax? Because it is a cash cow for government. And as long as they can keep the common folk focusing on how evil Big Oil is, they’ll keep spending. But, think about it…if Exxon/Mobil is making millions of their two cent profit…how much more is Big Government siphoning out of your pocket every day?

Vote your pocketbook this November. We can’t afford the cost of the Green Utopia Obama and his social planners have picked out for us. Some people are putting Post-it notes on the gas pumps: “How’s that hope and change working out for you?” But, whenever you drive down the street, point out all those gas signs to your friends as political advertisements for Anybody but Obama.

Cross posted at Proof Positive

Curmudgeonly sesquipedalian.

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  • LastBestHope

    My conservative brothers and sisters. I have read your thoughts, I understand your reservations about Mitt Romney. Nothing I’ll say will change any minds…..but maybe there is a man who all will hear as he speaks truth to US that resonates even to this day:

    A TIME FOR CHOOSING (The Speech – October 27, 1964)

    http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/reference/timechoosing.html

    “I have spent most of my life as a Democrat. I recently have seen fit to follow another course. I believe that the issues confronting us cross party lines……. No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income. Today, 37 cents out of every dollar earned in this country is the tax collector’s share, and yet our government continues to spend 17 million dollars a day more than the government takes in. We haven’t balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years. We’ve raised our debt limit three times in the last twelve months, and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations of the world.”

    • Neiman

      When a man seemingly has swaying moral values and has embraced several liberal economic policies as Governor – it is not an issue of competence, it is an issue of trust. If there is a trust factor, he will not get the GOP vote let alone independents in the General Election.

      Beyond trust the Bible tells us that without a vision, a people perish. Reagan and W had a clear vision to offer the people, simple, with compassion for those in need.I see and hear no vision at all from Romney, oh lots of talking points, but no grand vision for the people to embrace.

      • Camburn

        Neiman:
        Are you talking about Reagan and Washington?

        The last president to offer this country vision of the future was President Eisenhower.

        Debt to GDP fell every year he was in office.  The actual level of debt was paid down 3 of the years he was in office.

        He refused the offers to lower tax rates as he said his responsability as a leader was to the NATION, not a few.

        He warned us of the Militray Industrial Complex…he warned us of unfettered federal spending on useless science.

        President Eisenhower projected the vision of a great country.

        • Neiman

           Washington, Lincoln, Eisenhower (perhaps) and REAGAN.

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          Last great gop pres.

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      Raygun went on as President to raise the debt ceiling 18 times, taxes 11 times, including the largest tax hike in American history. Under Saint Ronnie our debt jumped 189%.
      What a guy.

      Republican Ronald Reagan supported taxing capital gains as ordinary
      income – they are now taxed much less – and supported higher taxes on corporations. Defending his tax reform proposal in 1985, Reagan said:

      “We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. It’s time we stopped it….

      What we’re trying to move against is institutionalized unfairness. We want to see that everyone pays their fair share, and no one gets a free ride.

      Our reasons? It’s good for society when we all know that no one is manipulating the system to their advantage because they’re rich and powerful. But it’s also good for society when everyone pays something, that everyone makes a contribution.”

      http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2011/10/07/7-Top-Republicans-Who-Taxed-the-Super-Rich.aspx#page1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cgbJ-Fs1ikA

      • mickey_moussaoui

        And our TAX revenue jumped higher yet. Reagan gave us 25 years of prosperity. It is looking like obama will give us 25 years of poverty.

        Gas prices have jumped 90% under obama. Have a nice day!

        BTW booby, this is the 21st century.

        • Neiman

           What Gay Bob and other liberals forget is that Reagan set out deliberately to spend the Soviet Union into oblivion and he succeeded. With that success military bases could be closed and our economy was set to and did rebound.

          • Camburn

            What Neiman has not looked at is the budget of the military every year since 1980.  There is NOT a year that it went down.

            Our economy rebounded, and our Debt to GDP ratio continued to tank.

  • Flamejob5

    Didn’t Soros buy over 2 million shares of Haliburton just before the 08′ election?

    • $8194357

      deals were made.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      obama has signed ALL the Haliburton contracts that Bush signed. For a liberal, he sold out.

      • $8194357

        Not if both sides have the same internationalist progressive agendas…

        New boss…Same as old boss….Simple structure for complex games played…IMO….

  • Neiman

    I do not see how Barry gets the nod if it goes to or above $5./gallon near the election.

    • Bat One

      If gas goes over $4.00 per gallon for any period more than a couple weeks, Obama is toast.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        I will
        speculate here that gas will stay shy of $4.00 a gallon.

        obama and his
        tribe of idiots can spin all they want but he is the direct cause of motivation
        for speculators and oil companies to raise the cost of fuel. obama started this
        war on energy and the big oil companies are showing him who pulls the strings
        by selling fuel to foreign buyers and maintaining a low supply in America. The
        speculators just play along, happy to collect their payola. We have an idiot
        president with no comprehension of macro economics who wants to shove his
        leftist green agenda down everyone throat so that his admirers will shower him
        with praise.

        Dump the chump in 2012 and rebuild America

      • Jamermorrow

         Gas is going much higher than that no matter who is elected. The only way we can pay for our debt is to default through inflation. This is going to ensure that gas prices keep rising.

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Goldman Sachs blames oil speculators.

    The unfolding events in North Africa and the Middle East have pushed up
    Brent crude oil from $100/bbl in mid-February to over $125/bbl last
    Friday. These high prices levels invite comparison to the spring of
    2008, when crude oil prices first breached these levels in May before
    peaking at over $145/bbl by early July. We believe that there are
    fundamental differences between now and the spring of 2008: Both
    inventories and spare capacity are much higher now and net speculative
    positions are four times as high as in June 2008.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/04/12/goldmans-commodities-call-exactly-what-did-it-say/

    • mickey_moussaoui

      BOOBY,

      We need that Keystone pipeline and we need the Gulf Coast oil wells obama chased away. Pass the buck all you want but Gas prices have climbed 90% under obama.
      It never went over $2.00 under Bush.

      Have a nice day………..sucker.

      • borborygmi

        neither would have stopped this price hike.  As usual fear and speculators are driving the price.  

        • mickey_moussaoui

          Fear, a little, speculators, alot. But mostly because the oil companies are agressively selling gas to foreign buyers and keeping supply in America low. And frankly who can blame them. Obama started the war against energy and the oil companies took their ball and went somewhere else to play. He with the most gold makes the rules.

    • Bat One

      So?

  • Econwarrior

    The need for speculation arises from uncertainty in the supply chain; by choking off US oil production, obama has fueled speculation in the world market.  As a producer, the US would stabilize that market, leading to less speculation.  It would also prevent the type of bullying Iran is doing right now.

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      Sorry, speculation is Wall Street driven.
      If oil is a national security issue, why are banks allowed to drive up prices by speculating on a commodity they will never take possession of?

      Leaked Documents Reveal Major Speculators Behind 2008 Oil Price Shock: Hedge Funds, Koch, Big Banks, Oil Companies

      http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/09/15/317330/leaked-cftc-oil-speculation-data/

      • Bat One

        Sorry, speculation is Wall Street driven.

        Do you seriously believe that “speculation” in oil, or any other commodity, is limited traders is NY?  How quaint!

        • Wayne

          Well Wall Street is the boogie man don’t ya know?  Never mind the man behind the curtain.  Liberals are dumb sheeple.  They’ll swallow any shit from their leaders because …well I’m not sure why.

    • Bat One

      Throw in the booming economies of China and India, Iran’s threats to the Strait of Hormuz, and the fact that, like it or not, markets are now world-wide and instantaneous, and of course traders, investors of all sorts, airline companies, refiners, utilities, chemical companies, and governments are all driving up the price of crude buying forward contracts.

    • Jamermorrow

       Not to mention the uncertainty that printing money causes. The dollar has been losing value for a long time. An increase in the money supply raises demand with doing a thing for supply.

  • ellinas1

    Don’tcha Wish There Was an Oil Man in the White House Now?
    Proof 2/20/2012

    No. I do not wish for an oilman to be president now.
    In case you haven’t heard, there is a lot of saber rattling going on between US and it’s allies and Iran.
    And never ever forget the speculators,

    • mickey_moussaoui

      No Keystone. No Gulf Coast wells. No Anwar. Blame Iran……lol

      90% increase in gasoline in three years under obama.
      Speculators didn’t create this anti energy environment, obama did.

      BTW, Greece is toast. Too many lazy bastards

      • ellinas1

        The oil from Canada was/is not destined for Us consumption. 
        Anwar? Heh! Transportation via oil tanker from Alaska to California costs $5.00 per barrel.
        Make sure you, either keep your head in the sand, or be less than honest and blame Obama.

        BTW Greece is not toast, and the Greeks are not lazy bastards. 
        The Greek economy is a cash and carry economy. The Greeks avoid paying taxes, thus the state coffers are empty. 
        Mind you, out of about 101 countries Greece is number 32 with national gold holdings totaling about 82% of their foreign exchange reserves.
        Also, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and the World Factbook, the Greek maritime fleet is today the largest in the world, with 3,099 vessels of 1000 Tonnes or more (December 13, 2007) accounting for 18% of the world’s fleet capacity. About half of the vessels fly the Greek flag and the remainder mainly flags of convenience. Greek vessels consist about half of total EU tonnage and created 7.6% of Greece’s GDP in 2007 (about 17 billion euros).[1] Thus Greece is the largest shipping-nation in the world with a total of 141,931,000 metric tons deadweight (DWT).[30] In terms of ship categories, Greece ranks first in both tankers and dry bulk carriers, fourth in the number of containers, and fourth in other ships. In the 1970s Greece was even bigger with circa 5000 ships.

        • Hal854

          Why are they asking for a financial bailout?  Why are they rioting in the streets?

          • ellinas1

            They don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay down their national debt. They don’t want to lose their gravy train jobs.

          • Guest

             Higher taxes will just give obama more money to spend and fund the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood.

          • ellinas1

            Nonsense.

          • Hal854

            They can’t even roll over their existing debt.  Greece has become a ward of the EU, backed by the US. 

        • mickey_moussaoui

          Pipes elli, pipes. Anwar oil would be piped to a harbor and then shipped. No trucks. Pipes.

          Greeks are lazy. They all want to retire at 50, after making gyro’s for a living. Deadweight, you betcha

          • ellinas1

            When I said oil tanker I meant  a merchant ship designed for the bulk transport of oil, such as the Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC),and the Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC).Whatever made you thik of tanker trucks?

          • ellinas1

            Retiring at 50 is smart, not lazy.
            You want to to work till you are 85? You go ahead.

        • Bat One

          Heh! Transportation via oil tanker from Alaska to California costs $5.00 per barrel.

          Transportation from Indonesia to Japan is twice that price.  And from the Gulf the transportation cost goes to $15 – $18 per barrel.  You’re ignoring the fact that oil is a fungible commodity and this is a global market we’re talking about.  If Japan (or China) buys 1 million barrels of crude from Canada (or Alaska!) that amounts to 1 million barrels more available in the world market which lowers the price for everyone.

          • ellinas1

            I understand all that. But today’s higher prices are due to saber rattling with Iran, and speculation.

          • Bat One

            “…saber rattling with Iran”?  Well, the West is insisting the Iran not develop nuclear weapons, and Israel is determined, as they should be, to prevent another Holocaust, in spite of Iran’s threats to exterminate the Jewish state.  But it is Iran that has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, which is obviously effecting the price of crude.

            And as for “speculation”, I don’t recall that there is anything illegal or immoral about investing in oil, or any other commodity, in the hope of making a profit should that commodity rise in value.    Corn is hardly any less important strategically, and the rise in its price is at least as dramatic since Obama took office.  Or soybeans, for that matter.  Besides, you are knowledgeable enough and experienced enough to understand that speculation/investment in an open market actually reduces price volatility over the long run.  I don’t recall your complaints about speculators’ losses when the price of oil dropped from $145 to under $80.

        • Wayne

          How much does it cost to ship a barrel of oil from the middle east?  It was the big O that said that energy prices would skyrocket under his administration.  The only way to make his rich supporters in the “green energy” sector richer.  It is one campaign promise he has not broken.

          • Wayne

            “The only way…” other than giving them billions in taxpayer money that is.

          • ellinas1

            Obviously it costs more. 
            However you are ignoring the fact that turmoil in the middle east and Iran contributes to higher prices via speculation,

        • Wayne

          So Greece has big shipping tycoons.  Their government is broke and can’t pay their debt.  Maybe their government should just take all those rich people’s money and spend that too.  Yea that’s the ticket.  The government would still go broke.  It’s their socialistic policies that have caused their problems.

          • ellinas1

            Greece is a small country, with very scarce natural resources.
            from the early 1900’s until 1948 they were embroiled in wars.
            From 1945 until 1948 they fought a bitter civil war.They emerged as a debtor nation, having to borrow heavily to pay  their war debts. So this is nothing new.
            And if you were a good history student, you would know that the Greeks were a maritime nation since the ancient times,and always migrated to other lands and found colonies because the land is poor and cannot feed large populations.Hell Alexander the Great went all the way to India, and along the way found many colonies including  Bagram and Kandahar in Afghanistan.
            As of today nothing changed since the ancient times. Greeks have to migrate to other countries were they flourish, and become distinguished citizens.

          • Onslaught1066

             

            As of today nothing changed since the ancient times.

            Pederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult male and an adolescent boy.
            The word pederasty derives from Greek (paiderastia) “love of boys
            Relationships in ancient Greece involved boys from 12 to about 17.

            As of today nothing changed since the ancient times.

          • ellinas1

            Hey it’s the guy with the dickhead for an avatar.
            Hello guy with the dickhead avatar.

          • Onslaught1066

            Thank you for admitting that I am correct.. especially when it comes to you and your ancient proclivities.

            ROTFLMFAO

          • ellinas1

            Hey it’s the guy with the dickhead for an avatar.Hello guy with the dickhead avatar.

          • Onslaught1066

             ROTFLMFAO

          • ellinas1

            Good. Keep on rolling on the floor laughing your fucking ass off. Laughter is good therapy. 

          • Onslaught1066

            ROTFLMFAO   What a Maroon!

          • ellinas1

            You are the moron, dickhead avatar guy.

          • Wayne

            We know from our discussion on the causes of WWII what kind of history student you were.  Oh, that’s right they did not teach world history in Europe where you were taught.  I forgot.

          • ellinas1

            “We” know nothing of the sort.
            You know not what they teach in Europe.
            You are redirecting, by making wild claims.

  • Tyler

    Obviously Opec (the Arabs) are much better friends with obama than they were with Bush. Why else would obama let them gouge the shit out of us on gas? Wasn’t that the excuse used when Bush was in office?  Friends do things for friends, right?

    • $8194357

      Too true for school Tyler..
      but lets not forget the mid campaign o8 run on the Federal Reserve System shot fired across Americas bow either..Play ball or die a finacially horrible death there you bi-partisian collaborators…We will call the shots from here out as you can be easily replaced…Remember Mcain went back to DC for emergency meetings while Barry stayed out on the campaign trail saying “No worries mate”..No worries..Byron Doorknob was caught on film crying around on the floor of the senate say interesting stuff like : We have more money going out the “backdoor” now than we ever had before and nobody seems to know “where” it is going….International progressives play “hardbball”..They did as well in 29 when the “10 overseas families” of the Federal Reserve debt ponzi shorted their two USA families the call money to stop the stock market crash and bank run of 29 that was the manufactured crisis that allowed the “current soviet central planning ponzi” FDR set up during his 4 terms as “internationalist progressive in cheif”, but what the heck do I know, right borb?
      Why would those conservitives not call out the dogs on Barry, huh, borb…Now, back to those 4000 acounts the Soros Swiss Banker bundleer buddies gave “team Barry’s Holders injustice dept”…Anyone want to float some ideas other than me?????

      • mickey_moussaoui

        a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole…to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert by secret agreements

    • mickey_moussaoui

      Because obama gave the Saudi good head.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

       I distinctly remember the argument being made that Obama was going to jawbone the Saudis into lowering the price of gas because they like him so much.

      How’s that working out for us?

      • Bat One

        The Saudis announced late yesterday that they are actually cutting oil production.  One has to wonder if this further reduction in the world’s supply of crude wasn’t done at the request of the Obama administration.  

        • $8194357

          Or the master internationalist progressive agenda, perhaps?

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          February 20, 2012 7:28 pm

          US and Mexico in landmark oil deal

          US and Mexican oil companies are to be given rights to drill in a
          previously disputed area of the Gulf of Mexico under a landmark deal
          between the two governments that reflects their eagerness to develop
          domestic oil and gas production.

          An area of the gulf along the maritime boundary between the two
          countries, long left unexplored because of legal uncertainty about
          rights over its resources, will be made available to US oil groups and
          Pemex, the Mexican state oil company.
          The US has estimated its total offshore “undiscovered technically
          recoverable” resources at up to about 210bn barrels of oil and gas
          equivalent.

          …Most analysts agree that increased US oil production would have little effect on fuel prices, which are set in world markets.

          …The Obama administration has been pushing for increased oil and gas production in the US, albeit not at the pace sought by the industry and many Republicans.

          The administration was criticised for suspending deepwater drilling
          in the gulf for six months after the BP spill, and for regulators’ slow
          pace in subsequently issuing permits.

          However, the administration has since moved to sell more drilling
          rights in the gulf, and is on track to allow oil exploration in the
          Arctic waters of Alaska this summer.

          US oil production has risen to its highest level since 2002, largely
          as a result of the development of onshore “tight oil”, opened up by the techniques of ­horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking”, used to produce shale gas.

          http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0e0d550a-5bec-11e1-841c-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/companies_us/feed//product

          • Bat One

            The Obama administration has been pushing for increased oil and gas production in the US…

            Bullsh*t!  Drilling off the US east and west coasts and a central section of ANWAR which had been approved under President Bush (thus diminishing oil speculation!) has been rescinded under Obama.  And after the Obama administration closed off drilling and oil production in the Gulf, in violation of a federal judge’s order, several deep water platforms were shut down and removed to Brazil and Nigeria.

          • Hal854

            Wow!  Your post is a clear acknowledgment that even the most liberal constituents can’t defend the Obama economic disaster.  Obama has more than three years of history that clearly illustrates why fuel prices have risen nearly 90%. 

            Even $1Billion of propaganda won’t be able to cover up the truth, the public is too engaged to be fooled again.  

          • Wayne

            How long will it be before the big O’s EPA shuts down oil production in the ND by “regulating” fracking?  They will try.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Wayne, would you like to know what the millions upon millions of barrels of chemicals the billionaires are forcing down into your earth, possible endangering your water supply?

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          Hey BO, what did you want with those 2008 GDP numbers?
          If you don’t really want to deal with them, just say so.
          I will understand.

          http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/was-it-that-the-recession-was-deeper-than-expected-or-that-obamas-policies-didnt-work/#comment-440271107

          • Bat One

            Please don’t stop.  I’m enjoying the daily reminders that you have no idea what those numbers mean!

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            BO, you asked for the numbers, I posted them.
            Why were they important to you, kid?

  • LastBestHope

    Santorum is a social conservative. He is not a fiscal conservative. Birth control is an interesting topic. Our cancerous debt is KILLING US which makes it way more vital. Romney is the fiscal hawk. That makes him conservative enough for me and for anyone who understands that our DEBT is issue #1 if America’s restoration as a great and powerful free people is to happen.

    An Obama win this year of course ends the debate…we WILL become Greece.

    • HG

      http://hg.sayanythingblog.com/2012/02/21/romneys-hypocrisy-in-full-swing/

      Santorum has a more fiscally conservative record than Romney.

    • Neiman

      When we ceased to be good (1962), we ceased to be great. Put moral matters first, clean up our immoral mess and the economy will get straightened out and become stronger than ever, try and get the economy straightened out with our declining morals left on this course and our economy will never be healed. What is more, if our moral house is in the toilet, I don’t care if we implode economically, we don’t deserve to survive.

      For murdering over 50 million babies and becoming a national Sodom and Gomorrah, God must judge us harshly and he is.

      That is as plain as I can state it!

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        So the homos are causing your god to raise our gas prices, is that what you’re saying Old Pal?

        • mickey_moussaoui

          Now you are calling obama a homo? okay.

  • Camburn

    Let’s see……….A real President a few years back.

    Sounds to me like you really meant decades…….right?

    President GWB taught President Obama….and the sad thing is that President Obama must have been listening.  The dumb and blind leading the dumb and blind over a cliff.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

       “a few years back” Heh. Every now and then I like to watch the leftie heads ‘spode. But, then, compared to Obama, even Warren Harding looks like one of the Founding Fathers.

  • Jamermorrow

    Gas prices are going to continue to rise like all commodity prices. An increase in the money supply causes an increase in demand. We cannot drill oil fast enough to keep up with the Federal Reserves ability to increase money. Remember the government thinks higher prices is a good thing. God forbid we ever see falling prices.

  • Bat One

    An increase in the money supply causes an increase in demand.

    Not exactly!  An increase in the money supply reduces the value of the money used to pay for things, which in turn means that prices rise to offset the reduced value of money.  If anything, the rise in prices reflecting the reduced value of money – inflation – will eventually reduce demand.

    • Jamermorrow

      In the long run agreed. It really depends on what the newly printed money is being spent on. For instance a lot of the newly printed money is spent on education, health care, war, etc… We are seeing prices rise dramatically and demand rise. Why? because most of it is government spending with newly printed money. Increasing the money supply can have a different affect on different goods. More money chasing the same supply of a product causes an increase in demand and causes prices to rise. The point being that central banks can make sure that oil prices never fall below a certain level.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    What’s $405 a gallon when you drive a hybrid, or less than 11 miles to work, one way? 

    The problem for most Americans is they don’t want to pay the high price for their decision to drive gas guzzlers.  Milk is still more expensive than gas, and the supply isn’t finite.

    • Hal854

      How much does a hybrid cost to purchase and maintain vs a gasoline or diesel vehicle? 

    • Hal854

       $4.05 a gallon is what Obama promised as a start.  Remember, he was an advocate for skyrocketing energy prices during his 2008 campaign.  He has delivered on his promise with more to come.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Isn’t the point to extend the life of fossil fuels?  How much more oil would exist if everyone drove a hybrid or drove less?

        Over a ten year period owning a hybrid will save you $2,300.

    • Bat One

      So, your Mom got you a hybrid, huh?

      And here I though you leftists were all about “the common good” and institutional social … erh… altruism, and opposed to self-serving sanctimony and greed.  Where’s your sense of sharing the struggles of the common man which liberals like you are so infamous for spouting.  Where’s that leftwing moral outrage?  The progressive indignation that some – like you? – aren’t feeling the pinch of Obama’s sputtering economy?  What are you, anyway?  Some sort of hypocritical poseur?

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Your comment is the typical type of juvenile response we expect to see from the average SAB conservative.  There’s not much substance there, or willingness to debate, but plenty of personal attack and smarmy childishness to distract from my argument.

        You can choose one of four things in today’s economy.

        1) Drive a hybrid
        2) Drive less
        3) Buy a car that’s more fuel efficient
        4) STFU and deal with the gas prices if you chose a gas guzzler

        It’s typical of the far right-wing conservative to complain about gas prizes if they aren’t going to take responsibility of their personal choices to live far from work, or to drive gas guzzlers.

        I chose to buy a nice new 4X4 because I drive much less than your average American.  Paying $3.00-$4.00 isn’t really an issue, for me, because I am responsible for my choice to live close to where I work.  I also am willing to pay more in tax so others can take the rail, if they choose to live further out due to home expenses in town.

        Conservatives expect the government to fix everything for them.

        • Bat One

          “Detract from your argument”???  What argument?

          In your entire comment here, I can find absolutely nothing remotely resembling the truth.  Your 4 “choices” are transparently bogus, since two amount to the very same thing, and several other obvious choices you’ve completely overlooked (no surprise there!)Your back-handed endorsement of taking personal responsibility for personal choices might be noteworthy, but its BS since each and every liberal cause you support so fervently involves a taxpayer-funded program to relieve individuals of the very same responsibility.The self-congratulatory drivel about taxes is de rigeur for you, and thus easily dismissed.  Besides, your willingness to pay taxes has already been authoritatively challenged with the appearance of that tax lien.Finally, your laughable suggestion that “conservatives expect the government to fix everything for them.” is an obvious lie since it is conservatives who are trying to reduce the size, scope, and unconscionable expense of government, particularly under the equally dishonest, statist autocrat currently in the White House.

          And still nothing about “sharing the burden” and all that “common good” crap you liberals like to pontificate about, huh?  Why am I not surprised!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            My argument was obvious and you ignored it because you always try to frame a debate around your straw men. 

            Deal with the choices; you can choose to drive a hybrid, a more fuel efficient car, live closer to work or STFU and accept responsibility for your choice to drive a gas guzzler if you are going to complain about gas prices that are still lower than the cost of pasteurized milk.

            I have not said anything about “the common good” or the “sharing the burden” argument that you and your conservative friends like to fabricate for political purposes. 

            The only common good argued here are usually the moral types, like Neiman and HG who want to use government to force everyone to accept their religious beliefs and thrust upon us laws of society that are based around their narrow views of the world.

            The only “sharing the burden” garbage I see spoken on this site is when conservatives argue that every person should pay the same rate of tax.

            I take responsibility for my actions so I don’t complain about gas prices because I adjust my lifestyle according to my means.  I don’t complain about the higher tax percentage I pay as a single male because that was my choice.  When I decide to change things, I will enjoy the social engineering incentives conservatives have used in government to control society.

            Conservatives want government to fix gas prices and everything else.  What platform is Romney running on?  Creating jobs!  That’s not governments job!  At least that’s not what real conservatives believe.

          • Guest

             What kind of shitty gas guzzler were you driving before you bought your new gas guzzler?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Calm your jealousy and save your rage for the women who reject you.

          • Guest

            Oh parrot boy, you’re so pathetic you make me almost feel sad for you. Gas is about $5.00 a gallon now on the island. 

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            On your island of loneliness and delusion?  How many conspiracy theorists live there with you, mickmc1970??

          • Guest

            You jerkoff, you’re the one on an island. Or can’t you see past the end of your huge nose?

          • Bat One

            “… fabricate for political purposes” REALLY ???  You some kinda funny fella there, kid.  I’ll be glad to collate a list of liberal “leaders” who’ve used “the common good” to justify their ever expanding government intrusion into the lives and finances of the American people. Off the top of my head, Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, and Reid all come readily to mind. (Nobody much gives a sh*t what Joe Biden says.)

            I am, however, glad to see that hanging around here with the adults has helped you come to realize that “creating jobs” isn’t the proper role for government.  When the reelection campaign gets cranked up and Obama and the Left start publicly crowing – fraudulently – about all the jobs their obscene spending spree has supposedly created, I expect to see you making the very same same case that government shouldn’t be about “creating jobs” and politicians shouldn’t be promising, as Obama has done repeatedly, to create more jobs if only we allow him to spend even more of the money our grandkids haven’t earned yet.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Did you ever get back to Rbb and his comments with the GDP numbers you were asking for? 

            Look, BO, I am not interested in changing the topic with you again from the original argument I made regarding conservatives lack of responsibility to deal with the consequences of the car they chose to purchase.

            If you don’t like the gas prices, make wiser choices on the car you purchase because gas prices are sure to rise and fall based on the gaming system we call Wall Street.

          • Bat One

            So, after changing the subject to RBB, you assert that you’re “not interested in changing the subject again…”  Like I said, you some kinda funny fellow, kid!  Hypocrisy, like Hannitized, starts with the letter “H” !!!

            Incidentally, the subject of this thread is the increased price of oil and gas under Obama… not who drives what car.  And, no, I wasn’t complaining about the price of gas.  Hell, I drive a car that requires premium (and when I have the time to go get it, non-ethanol premium).

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s called a rhetorical question, BO.  But it’s a question nonetheless, and one that you wanted answered, until it was, then you ditched the question when your bluff was called.

            Look, the entire purpose of this post by Rob is nothing more than a political ploy to regain power.  Anyone who buys a car today knows that gas is going to go up to $4 something and down to $3 something, if were lucky.

            If conservatives cant accept responsibility for their choices in driving gas guzzlers, that’s not the government job to solve.  There are plenty of options for them to live within the lifestyle they can afford.

          • Bat One

            It was MY question that was rhetorical, moron!  And the fact that obviously you don’t understand that isn’t my problem.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I see you are back to your standard gratuitous name calling again.

            The fact that you tried to answer your own distraction by offering to come up with examples of “great good”, blah, blah, blah, what ever it is you were babbling about, is proof it was not rhetorical.

            You just don’t want to address the fact that conservatives aren’t responsible for their own decisions.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “Look, the entire purpose of this post by Rob is nothing more than a political ploy to regain power” You are as accurate as ever, Clueless Dweeb. That is to say, wrong again. (Or is that “still”?)

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

           “gas taxes are regressive taxes that hit the poor hardest. The poor pay
          proportionally more for gas to look for work or to commute to a job
          than the upper or middle classes” You dweebs on the left change your minds (stop laughing!) about regressive taxes on the poor?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Stop babbling, Troll!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            More projection from its queen!

            Your denial doesn’t make an argument or change the facts.

            Heh!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            More mental clutter from Poofy The Blog Poodle.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Still more projection. Is that all you’ve got, Tranni? If you have no defense for the indefensible hypocrisy of the Left over regressive gas taxes, just say so. If all you have is mindless namecalling, please take that back over to some  leftie Echo Chamber blog where they appreciate such things. 

            A. “nice new 4X4″

            Q. What does Hanni call a tricycle with a training wheel?

            I can see where a 4×4 might be needed by an inexperienced driver to commute on all those nicely paved streets around Honolulu. That way, when you run over a curb or into a ditch (or over a cliff, like you confessed to in the past), maybe you have a prayer of getting back on the road again without a tow truck?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Poof, if you want to change the subject of the debate, start your own post.

            Nobody is interested in following you down your rat hole.

            Heh!

          • Bat One

            Nobody is interested in following you

            Wrong again, poi breath!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You like how he tells me to start my own post, on my own post? The midget dwarf, surfer wannabee is truly clueless. 

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “start your own post”*

            I did, you mind numbingly stupid, mindless arsehole, it was this one, and you’re the one too clueless to stay on topic. I can’t help it if your ADD kicks in between the headline and the author’s name.

            You really are a pathetic fool, aren’t you, Wankertized? Heh, indeed!

            *This may end up in the Stupidity Hall of Fame, with some of your other “brilliant” observations.

        • Hal854

          Yes, I’m sure the Obama administration is going to run for re-election touting the benefits of higher gas prices.

          Let me add to your list:
          5) Stop playing politics with the energy policy.
          6) Stop blocking private companies from providing an adequate supply.
          7) Stop blocking the Keystone pipeline and 20,000 jobs.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Hal, take some personal responsibility.  Did you buy your car based on a potential future oil pipeline?

            Really, the government isn’t the answer to all of your problems.  Stop asking them to solve your economic woes.  You have choices to keep gas expenses down, make them.

          • Hal854

            The government wasn’t going to build the pipeline, it was 100% private investment that was going to create over 20,000 new jobs, Obama stopped it.

        • Hal854

          It is very revealing that your position is that the citizens should just STFU and adjust to our irrational government policies, at least when a Marxist is in charge.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            HalXXX, if you can’t make responsible choices in your life, relevant to automobile purchases that you made, you might as well learn to deal with the consequences of your actions.

            People are tired of listening to they whining of conservatives who expect government to take care of them and make adjustments to our capitalistic society so they can choose to be irresponsible.

            Just STFU already and learn to take care of yourself.

          • Hal854

            I love it!  You are arguing against your own Marxist position!  Finally I’m making progress.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No, I am arguing against your Marxist position.  You want the government to spoon feed you.

            Take responsibility for your choice to buy a gas guzzler and make changes to your style of living.

            It’s not in the constitution that you have a right to artificially low gas costs.

      • Neiman

        Someone should remind the ‘person’ below, whom I have dusted of my feet against that, the old adage has been tried and found most true – “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.” If the liberals here at SAB would do less name calling, stick more to rational debates with more respect for their adversaries, they might find others are less likely to cast stones back in their direction.

        I am laughing at his closing line, he of the Nanny State Left. It reminds of of the Claude Rains character in Casablanca, “I am shocked to find gambling going on in here.”

        Until hybrids become more price competitive and less in need of government subsidies, we must produce fuel which drives the economy, including workers, many of which are minorities that left the crime ridden inner cities. Higher costs hurt the economy in every way possible and at this juncture, Obama should have turned from the big donations of the environmental lobby and made sure the national economic engine began to roar back; but not knowing anything about the economy or the oil/gas industry and wanting reelection at any costs, Nero Obama is fiddling away, while the new Roman Empire (America) burns down economically.

    • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bikebubba

      $405/gallon is a boatload of money.  For that matter, I don’t particularly like the $3.50/gallon I’m paying these days, either, and quite frankly, I think it’s appalling that the current occupant went against two State Department reports on the proposed pipeline to satisfy his “environmentalist” (read “socialist”) buddies.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Socialists would want the government to build the oil pipeline and then hire people to build it under the government dime.  Unfortunately, conservatives today wouldn’t know a socialist from a libertarian if it kicked them in the keister.

        • Hal854

          The pipeline was to be built with 100% private money, creating more than 20,000 new jobs,  that may be why the Socialist Marxists oppose it.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It was opposed because Conservatives tried to force an early decision on important environmental studies and their tactics to pass the bill so we can know what’s in it, backfired.

          • Bat One

            You’re lying again, kid.  Obama wanted to avoid a decision on the pipeline until after the 2012 election, and Republicans would not allow him to do so.  As for that “early decision” BS of yours, the Keystone Pipeline was first proposed just over 7 years ago!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            If the conservatives didn’t try to rush the bill through so we can see what’s in the bill, Obama wouldn’t have been forced to make a decision earlier, before the research was properly done. 

            The conservatives plan backfired, because they are petulant children.

            And please keep your opinions about lying to yourself, you aren’t nearly qualified enough to figure out what you are trying to say, let alone anyone else.

          • Econwarrior

            When your policy is to “lead from behind”, you can claim that all your decisions are “forced”.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Hard to see that much horse hockey that’s not piled up in a stable somewhere, Hanni. Decisive leadership was needed on a pipeline that had already been “properly researched”, to prevent the sale of that oil to China. Obama punted just to pander to his environmentalist-whacko base, to appease them in an election year.

            The rest of your fantasies are duly noted.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             Should have read “losing the sale of that oil to China”

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Oh, thanks for the FUD, Poof. 

            Did China buy the oil?  Please answer!!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            ” Please answer!” You mean like how the author of this post asked you to respond to one of the points in this post about the mind numbing hypocrisy of liberals in ignoring the statement “gas taxes are regressive taxes that hit the poor hardest. The poor pay proportionally more for gas to look for work or to commute to a job than the upper or middle classes” and refusing to even try to defend that indefensible hypocrisy?

            Have someone read and explain the post to you. Or else just take your twaddle and toddle off to the kiddie pool, and let the adults converse in peace.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Man up!  Did China get the oil or not?

            You made the comment about China, I didn’t make any comment about
            regressive taxes.  Why are you asking me to debate something I did not
            bring up in the first place?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Sorry, Infantile Dweebitized, but your thread jacking is just another sign that you have no answers, no game and no brain.

            The author of this post, with whom I am well acquainted, made certain points, which you just confessed not commenting on.  (I blame your total ignorance and mindlessness.) My post is about regressive taxes, among other things. Your comments are mind drool.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You have to be living under a rock to conclude the oil was sold to China!!

            Decisive leadership was needed on a pipeline that had already been
            “properly researched”, to prevent the sale of that oil to China.

            And where is that sale of oil to China, Poof?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Clueless Dweeb. I never said that the oil was sold to China. I guess if you ever graduate from kindergarten, you might learn something about the English language. But, I’m not too hopeful at this point. 

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Yes, you never said it was sold to China because it wasn’t.  That’s the only way I could get you to admit that, or talk about the subject that you so foolishly spoke of.

            You won’t admit the oil is not going to China because it makes your conspiracy theory, and only real complaint, null and void.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Nice strawman. Your inability to stay on topic is duly noted. 

          • Guest
          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             In the words of an absolute and complete moron: “if you want to change the subject of the debate, start your own post.”

            Or is that too much mind numbing hypocrisy for you to overcome as well?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             For extra credit, Clueless Noob, investigate the verb tense in “to prevent” and the difference between “losing” and “lost”. Or you can just keep bleating that “camp” is short for “campaign”.

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