Do Our Police Still Serve And Protect?

I have from time to time expressed a personal opinion that is becoming more and more persistent in my thinking. Not a good conservative value. Probably more a libertarian one in nature than anything.
I am convinced that our police forces in America have been completely Barney Fifed. You remember Barney. Andy of Mayberry and all that. He was always arresting the wrong people, a stickler for absurd detail and ready to use force at any time (which is why Andy only gave him one bullet).
Andy is no longer on the force in America. Our police force in America has become a bunch of bullies, in my opinion.
And not only in my opinion, either. Joseph Farah wrote a piece on police incompetence worth reading.
He says inhis piece:

But, like it or not, at the end of the day, police are just not serving the people. Maybe their job has become a mission impossible. I’m willing to acknowledge that. But, from my vantage point, our experience as law-abiding citizens with police officers is getting worse all the time.
The rule of law is breaking down in America. It can hardly all be blamed on cops. But policemen and policewomen are on the front lines. They are the people who are most likely to have direct, face-to-face contact with we the people. And, whereas that contact in the past has often been a positive experience, it is becoming increasingly negative for many of us.

We had such an event in Chicago in the last few weeks. A young woman, a student, who was on medication caused a ruckus at O’Hare airport. The police were called. She told them she was on medication. They locked her up. She became disoriented. She began to throw herself against the jail bars. After a few hours of this, they decided they couldn’t hold her any more and at 3:00am in one of the most dangerous parts of town she was turned lose without escort by the cops. She was disoriented. A black man picks her up, rapes her repeatedly and then to hide the evidence takes her up a 4 story building and throws her off. She survives but now is in a permanent vegetative state.
Her parents from California were in touch with the cops when they had her in custody and plead with them to hold her until they got there or release her into the custody of someone as a protector. This was a horrid situation and now a lovely 20 year old girl will spend the rest of her life, whatever life she has, unconscious because the police did not serve or protect her.
Chicago Cops are tough. In one way I like it. Chicago is a very safe place (except for certain neighborhoods). But they have conducted torture, they recently beat up a diabetic man having an insulin reaction and if certain Chicago cops arrest you as a drug dealer, your money will be taken and your drugs will be stolen and resold by the crooked cops.
This is a system badly broken. In Chicago for sure, but I know this kind of excess goes on all over America. Barney Fifes set loose with extra bullets.
Take a look at an article reprinted in the Wall Street Journal today from the BBC. It talks about the excessive use of SWAT teams. We have militarized the police to the point where the mission of protecting and serving is no longer part of the purpose of these para-militaristic thugs.
From the article:

Professor Peter Kraska, an expert on police militarisation from Eastern Kentucky University, says that in the 1980s there were about 3,000 Swat team deployments annually across the US, but says now there are at least 40,000 per year. “I have no problem with using these paramilitary style squads to go after known violent, armed criminals, but it is an extreme tactic to use against other sorts of suspects,” he said.
Dr Kraska believes there has been an explosion of units in smaller towns and cities, where training and operational standards may not be as high as large cities – a growth he attributes to “the hysteria” of the country’s war on drugs.

So, what is the answer? Some are starting to ask the question whether or not the police should be part of our government at all. They’re asking if maybe it shouldn’t be privatized. Currently there is no incentive for police to solve crimes as they get paid regardless, and it’s hard to hold bad cops accountable because it’s hard to sue the government.
Here is a typical argument in favor of privatizing the police in this article:

In To Serve and Protect: Privatization and Community in Criminal Justice, Bruce Benson argues for privatizing the American legal system (including police, courts, and prisons) and adopting a revised version of the old Anglo-Saxon system under which crime victims have a right to restitution from criminals. Benson describes the pros and cons of some measures that would reform the American legal system to allow more privatization. He also explains the fully privatized legal system that he advocates, which would require changes in the law to allow individuals to sell some or all of their right to restitution and to allow private ownership, management, and policing of roads and all other “public” property. Benson’s restitution-based legal system fits well with the system promoted by Randy Barnett in The Structure of Liberty.
Compared to the current legal system in America, which imposes the costs of investigations, trials, and prisons on innocent taxpayers and does little to compensate victims of crime, Benson’s victim-restitution system is more fair and more libertarian because: (1) it eliminates all victimless-crime laws, (2) it helps victims of crime to recover from the losses inflicted on them, and (3) it makes criminals bear most of the costs of crime investigation, court proceedings, restitution, and incarceration. With regard to preventing and negating crime, Benson’s privatized justice system is more efficient than the current legal system because: (1) victims can receive compensation quickly by selling all or some of their right to restitution to agents who are in a better position to capture criminals and extract restitution from them, (2) competition and the profit motive made possible by the markets for these services will lead to improved methods of crime prevention, crime investigation, court proceedings, restitution, and incarceration, and (3) the prospect of compensation gives victims more incentive to report crimes and to cooperate with the private police and courts.

I don’t know if I buy his whole argument, but we have drifted badly from the original mission of our police departments. I’m tired of the Barney Fifes. I know they aren’t all like that, but far too many are. Too many are corrupt. Too many don’t care enough to protect. Too many are para-military wackos. It’s time to revisit the Hill Street Blues. Remember what they did with the nutcase cops? The balance of power seems to have gone to the bullies. It’s time for a change in my humble opinion.
I may not have the conclusive answer to these problems, but I can say that the police no longer serve or protect.

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  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Either way it doesn’t change the fact that there “was” out-of-control crime in the city. To say that there wasn’t is inaccurate.

    I agree there was out of control crime. Apparently Mr. Compass didn’t have a disaster plan to keep his cops on duty.

    It also hurt cop’s images when you see the video’s of (very few) of New Orlean’s “finest” participating in the looting.

    But that gives no justification for him to “confirm” the rumors that there were baby rapes and all of the other terrible things he said were going on at the Superdome. As you hopefully know there was a National Guard presence in the dome that apparently did a great job. Also when he confirmed that rescue helicopters were being shot at that pulled them off rescue duty.

    When the chief of police repeats lies and rumor the news media is justified in calling it news. I don’t blame them for telling the lies. However you’d think they’d correct the record.

    Nagin’s incompetent, but I don’t see blaming him for Compass’s failings.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I have a specific example. About 18 months ago I was driving between Minot and Grand Forks. I had the cruise set a mile or two BELOW the speed limit.

    I came over a hill and passed a cop with a speed trap for cars coming the other way. As soon as I went by the copette pulled out and pulled me over. (?)

    Turns out my wife hadn’t put the new tags on her car. The copette called in and found that I had paid for the tags. So she gave me a $20 ticket for failure to display. There was no other reason to pull me over.

    Frankly I find that a bit rediculous. I had paid the road tax and was still fined. If I had been speeding I would have understood getting that tacked on.

    But at this point she wasn’t a cop she was a tax collector. I think that diminishes the cop, although more blame goes to the legislature, the Governor, and her superiors in the Highway Patrol.

    Another example that Pilgrim should address since it took place in his backyard is this:

    The New Orleans police chief during Hurricane Katrina, Eddie Compass, says he unnecessarily “heightened people’s fears” by repeating unconfirmed reports of out-of-control crime in the city during the aftermath of the storm, adding to the confusion caused by the disaster and potentially hampering rescue efforts.

    In my opinion Pilgrim should be more insulted by that. That hurts his agencies prestige a lot more than Gene’s post.

  • 2Hotel9

    Revenue generation is alot of the problem. Another point is that only a few cops screwing up make all cops look bad.

  • Pilgrim

    Doc,

    I’m not defensive. I’m insulted. Did you actually read the post? It’s insulting to every man and woman who gets up in the morning, put on a badge and bulletproof vest, and go to work in the heat, cold, rain or snow and who do an honorable job. Barney Fife?

    I don’t know, Doc, but I suspect that most people who love their profession and respect the people they work with would be insulted at a slap like that if it were directed at them.

    Here’s quote that I think fits, “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” – George Orwell

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    You see Pilgrim, most people that obey the spirit of the law, perhaps not the letter, see themselves as upstanding citizens that shouldn’t be hassled. When that happens they don’t like it.

    Now, from the cops point of view, they don’t know who’s honest and who isn’t. They are being told one thing (strict enforcement of seatbelt laws for example) when they probably didn’t wear them before they got on the force.

    In my opinion cops would get a lot more respect if they didn’t have to enforce BS traffic laws. On the other hand as it is now (and always will be) that is the job of the cops.

    From my own point of view at some emotional level I agree with Gene’s post. On a more intellectual level I agree with you. A little understanding both ways would go a long way.

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Bezu Fache

    Whistler
    Was Compass lying when he said that he unnecessarily “heightened people’s fears” by repeating unconfirmed reports of out-of-control crime in the city or when he was spreading the stories about helicopters?
    Either way it doesn’t change the fact that there “was” out-of-control crime in the city. To say that there wasn’t is inaccurate.

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    Pilgrim

    My Son’s a cop. Up until recently, a significant portion of the mid and upper level officers in the department were promoted based, not on qualifications, but on race. The C.E.O. of the county is an African American and he saw to it that ethnic favoritism rather than solid police work took control. These guys were nothing more than street thugs in police uniforms.Many of the line officers (black and white) came out publicly against their improper (illegal)aproach to law enforcement. Recent scandalous T.V. news stories got the Chief, assistant chief, and many of their subordinate officers “retired” or demoted.

    If it wasn’t for the press, the problems would have continued and probably worsened.
    Why do you suppose the County allowed the PD to deteriorate to such a deplorable condition?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Big Time! Compass was telling the truth.

    Bull fucking shit! He was lying!

    His view was: ‘I’ll tell you everything you want to hear.’ Unfortunately, he was spreading rumors … hundreds of helicopters being shot at by looters and babies being raped in the Superdome,” a professor of history at Tulane University, Douglas Brinkley, says in the film.

  • carrick

    On the other hand, if you’ve ever seen a person experiencing psychotic episodes associated with an insulin reaction, you’d probably understand why the cops were trying to subdue him/her.

    Same goes for a person reacting to their medicine. If you have that sort of medical condition, you really owe it to everybody else to make sure that you’re current on your meds & probably should not travel unchaperoned for your own safety and that of the people around you.

    Expecting cops to properly interpret medical conditions & the origin of a particular person’s psychosis is pretty much over the top, IMHO.

  • BRYAN

    I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOMETHING WITH EVERYONE.

    DATELINE COMPLETED AN INVESTIGATION TO CHECK THE INTEGRITY OF COPS IN LOS ANGELES AND NEW YORK NOT LONG AGO..DATELINE HANDED 20 WALLETS IN TO LA COPS AND 20 WALLETS IN TO NY COPS AS IF THE WALLETS WERE LOST AND FOUND PROPERTY ITEMS..THE WALLETS CONTAINED MONEY, CREDIT CARDS, ETC..DATELINE FOLLOWED UP ON EACH WALLET TO CHECK ON THEM AND TO FIND OUT HOW MANY WERE PROCESSED PROPERLY WITH ALL THE MONEY AND CREDIT CARDS..OF THE 20 HANDED IN TO LA COPS, ALL 20 WERE PROCESSED AND RETURNED TO THE COVERT DATELINE INVESTIGATORS WITH ALL THE MONEY AND CREDIT CARDS IN THE WALLETS..OF THE 20 HANDED IN TO NY COPS ALL 20 WERE PROCESSED AND RETURNED TO THE COVERT DATELINE INVESTIGATORS WITH ALL THE MONEY AND CREDIT CARDS IN THE WALLETS.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Americans are extremely lucky for the quality of police we have.

    I’ll agree with that. I wasn’t trying to bash cops; but more explain where some of the bad feelings come from.

    Like most jobs being a cop is what you make it. The ones that put in the effort are worth their weight in gold and the ones that don’t aren’t worth the uniform. As I said like most jobs.

  • 2Hotel9

    Sorry, Bryan. I made it through 2 sentences and that is it. Want to be taken seriously? Type normally.

  • BRYAN

    KEN, THANK YOU..I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

    KITTY CAT, I APPOLOGIZE..I’M NOT SCREAMING, WRITING WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON IS JUST A HABIT..I WRITE ALL MY REPORTS WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON..I WAS TAUGHT THAT WAY AND I BELIEVE IT IS EASIER TO READ.

    ROBERT, I’M SURE PEOPLE DIE AND SOME ARE SERIOUSLY INJURED WHEN COPS MAKE MISTAKES..I CAN’T CHANGE THAT AND NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE..THAT’S REALITY..THE SAME HAPPENS WHEN DOCTORS MAKE MISTAKES..I HAVE NEVER SEEN A DEATH OCCUR AS THE RESULT OF A COPS MISTAKE BUT I HAVE HEARD OF IT..I HAVE HEARD MORE ABOUT DOCTORS MISTAKES CAUSING DEATHS THAN THE MISTAKES OF COPS..UNFORTUNATELY IT HAPPENS, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN..WHY? BECAUSE COPS AND DOCTORS ARE NOT PERFECT..LIKE I STATED EARLIER, NOBODY IS PERFECT..I’M SURE YOU’RE NOT EITHER!

    I’M NOT TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES..I’M SIMPLY STATING THE TRUTH..FOR YOU TO IMPLY THAT POLICE OFFICERS DON’T CARE AND DON’T TAKE RESPONSIBILTY IS GARBAGE..I HAVE SEEN POLICE OFFICERS CRY AND CARE ABOUT STRANGERS AS IF THE STRANGERS WERE FAMILY..YOU ARE FULL OF ASSUMPTIONS..YOU DON’T KNOW HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS LOSE SLEEP BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THEIR SHIFT OR BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SEE OR WHAT THEY EXPERIENCE.

    ROBERT, AS FAR AS YOUR MAN UP COMMENT..COPS MAN UP DAY IN AND DAY OUT..COPS ARE CALLED UPON TO RESPOND TO HIGH RISK SITUATIONS AND STRESSFUL INCIDENTS ALL THE TIME..COPS RESPOND TO CALLS LIKE SHOTS FIRED CALLS WHERE INNOCENT CITIZENS ARE RUNNING AWAY FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES..COPS RUSH IN THE DIRECTION OF THOSE SAME SHOTS EXPERIENCING FEAR THEMSELVES..THAT IS COURAGE..THEY DO IT TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT CITIZENS (TO PROTECT AND SERVE) OF THIS COUNTRY..THEY DO IT FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU..FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T KNOW HOW TO SAY THANKS..THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU APPRECIATE IT AND IT GIVES THEM THE SELF-SATISFACTION OF KNOWING THAT THEY’RE MAKING THIS PLACE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE..BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO KEEP GOING AND TO KEEP PUTTING THEMSELVES IN HARMS WAY..THEY DO IT KNOWING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT MAKE IT OUT ALIVE..AND THEY DO IT EXPECTING NOTHING IN RETURN..YEAH, COPS GET PAID..BUT THEY DON’T DO IT FOR THE CHECK..NO CHECK IS WORTH THAT..THEY DO IT BECAUSE IT IS IN THEIR HEARTS!

    DO YOU REMEMBER 9-11? THE COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS WERE RUSHING INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDINGS TO HELP..AND EVERYONE ELSE WAS RUNNING OUT..RUNNING FOR THEIR LIVES..RUNNING TO SAFETY.

    ROBERT, I’M NOT WHINNING..AND I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN RESPOND TO GARBAGE LIKE YOU..I HAVE A FAMILY THAT DEMANDS MY ATTENTION AND EXPECTS ME HOME SAFE EVERYDAY..BUT, I AM RESPONDING TO YOUR COMMENT BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THE POLICE PROFESSION AND HOW IT IS PERCEIVED BY THE PUBLIC..I CARE ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY AND MY BROTHERS LIKE PILGRIM.

  • Dave

    Isn’t this wrong Dave? Isn’t it wrong to promote based on race?

    Yeah, of course. I was just congratulating your son on his promotion, no matter how he “earned” it.

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Bezu Fache

    Eddie Compass, says he unnecessarily “heightened people’s fears” by repeating unconfirmed reports of out-of-control crime in the city during the aftermath of the storm

    Whistler
    This is a bit misleading. Ray Nagin was pissed at Eddie Compass for making him look even more irresponsible than what his previous feckless actions had already branded him. There were significant political considerations for Eddie to contemplate if he didn’t tow the line. That’s why he backpedaled. There was out-of-control crime in the city during the aftermath of the storm. Big Time! Compass was telling the truth.

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Bezu Fache

    Cops are expected to conform to a higher standard both in their jobs and their personal conduct and the vast majority do.

    My personal experiences with the police are overwhelmingly in agreement with what Pilgrim has said.

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Bezu Fache

    police officers should be damn near perfect, and when they’re not, they should apologize and take responsibility instead of trying to excuse their mistakes. If you want to be respected, man up and stop whining.

    Robert
    Ouch!! Your reply to Bryan seems a bit vicious. The sentiment expressed here is “uncaharcteristic” of your usual sensible posts. This one is a little out of balance. Seems like you may have had some very negative personal experiences with the police.

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    Here’s quote that I think fits, “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” – George Orwell
    Pilgrim on September 3, 2006 at 10:27 AM

    AMEN!!!!

  • http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com/archives/2004/10/teresa_urges_de.html Dirty Jack Cash

    In the PC world, memories are short.
    Short memories are particularly toxic when applied outside the realm of the blogosphere. While it is easy to react negatively to what a cop says or does today, it is a dangerous mistake to reevaluate the whole of law enforcement and the entire relationship between police and law abiding citizens because of the words or deeds of one moment, or one season, or even a year.

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Bezu Fache

    R108

    so Compass’ false reports reinforced their blame of the President, not the other way around

    Actually Compass said he reapeated ‘unconfirmed’ reports not that he gave false reports.
    The immediacy of the rampant rioting and looting and the violence perpetrated by drug gangs spoke nothing of the Presidents supposed inaction but was a direct and unequivocal reflection on the historically piss-poor adminstration by Mayor Nagin and an indictment of the city of New Orleans as a whole.
    Only an idiot(i.e. lib dems) would believe that that too could be blamed on the president

  • Dave

    Awakened Warrior:

    My Son’s a cop. Up until recently, a significant portion of the mid and upper level officers in the department were promoted based, not on qualifications, but on race.

    So your son got a promotion that he didn’t deserve, just because he’s black. That’s just not fair.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Pilgrim says:

    Tell you what, Gene ol’ buddy…..flag down the next street cop you see and tell him you think he and his co-workers are a bunch of Barney Fifes. Better yet, come down here and tell the officers I have the honor to lead your enlightened opinion of them.

    Sounds like Barney to me. Threats and Big talk, That’s the Fife.

    When we used to throw a rock into a flock of chickens on the farm the only hen that clucked was the one the rock his. Sounds like Mr. Pilgrim was stuck on the head. If you are so happy abou how things are going out there, come into Chicago and see how well they do things. Since you have it all figured out perhaps you could straighten out the Klein police force. If you lived long enough.

    and

    Until someone steals their car.

    Pilgrim, you didn’t read my post. My car WAS stolen. The cops couldn’t have cared less. Maybe you do but insurance companies recover 90% of stolen cars that are recovered because they have a financial incentive to so. Why do we have cops if they don’t give a rip about stolen merch and only want to fill out a police report so I get insurance money. No serving and protecting there.

    Oh, and one other thing. Who I am, if you have been around this blog for very long you would know. You haven’t so you don’t. Plus I link to my own blog. Read away, you’ll find all about your Bedwetting corespondent.

    Frankly you have taken grave offense at the wrong guy.

    You must be the most compassionate guy on the force when dealing with situations like the medicated bipolar gal or the diabetic.

    I hope no one I ever know meets with your serving and protecting style. Why not just shoot them between the eyes and get it over with. You can claim self protection.

    You, Mr. Pilgrim with your attitude only serve to prove my point.

    I pity the poor folks in your district.

    Oh, and one other thing.

    Ride with a cop on a Friday night and see the crap we put up with. Then maybe, just maybe, you’ll have something to base an opinion on.

    Wow. Self pity. It’s not about you buddy. It’s your job. If it’s so tough quit. Hardees is still hiring. Who said you wouldn’t have to put up with tough times. That’s why they call it a job. That’s why they pay you. Quit crying your eyes out about how tough a cops life is. We all have problems. I’ll say again, it’s not about you, it’s about the people you serve. If you can’t do it quit.

    But, since you have insulted me, I think you just might be man enough to take it. Don’t play with fire if you don’t want to get burnt.

  • Dave

    Bezu writes:

    Can’t tolerate your stupidity today…or your usual preposterous posts.

    Isn’t it time for you to check in with your Mommy to make sure you still have her permission to use the computer.

    Typical substantive post. You know, it’s never too late to pick up that GED.

  • robert108

    Bezu: The reports about this are conflicting, and your reasoning is suspect because Nagin, along with Blanco, were blaming everything on the President for his “slow response”, so Compass’ false reports reinforced their blame of the President, not the other way around. Nagin, to my remembrance, never really took responsibility for anything.

  • Dave

    Pilgrim: I’m pretty sure you can still do your job without a taxpayer-funded salary. Why so defensive?

  • Pilgrim

    Barney Fifed?

    Pal, I don’t know who you are, but I’ll tell you this….you’re just another uninformed, opionated fool. I’ve been a street cop for nearly twenty years. Not a desk monkey, a street cop. And I’ve listened to idiots like you spout off their ignorant opinions the whole time.

    Until they need us.

    Until that armed burglar is in their house.

    Until someone steals their car.

    Until someone threatens them or their families.

    Have you ever spent one single minute in a patrol car? No, you haven’t. You, sir, are an opinonated, ignorant jerk.

    As far as you corruption opinion goes, let me tell you this….the men and women I work with are the most honorable group of people I’ve ever met. They wouldn’t take a dime that’s not theirs. I’m a Lieutenant and have the honor of supervising the “Barney Fifes” that put their lives on the line every single day to protect fools like you.

    Get a life. Oh, and next time someone steals from you of threatens you call a lawyer, not a cop. I’m sure he’ll jump in there between you and the bad guy.

    Jerk.

  • Pilgrim

    Gene,

    My my my…..nice little rant. Shoot someone between the eyes and claim self protection? That’s about a halfwit thing to say. In this career I’ve helped thousands of people and have never pulled the trigger on any of them, thank God.

    You don’t know anything about my “serving and protecting style.” Because I disagree with the insulting nature of your post and fired back at the abysmal stupidity of it…that somehow proved your point?

    Do you somehow think you burned me with that reply? It just shows pointless hostility, not any kind of rational thought. And another small point….I’m not all talk. You’re more than welcome to come on down and ride with one of my officers. You might find that they’re human beings, not the Hollywood caricatures people like you are so comfortable with. I wasn’t boo-hooing about the job, merely pointing out that it’s a tough job and if you would bother to look into it a bit further before sitting in judgement on it and the people involved in it.

    Oh, and I intend to quit. In two years I’m retiring and I intend to sit on the back porch naked smoking dope. Never did like Hardees.

    By the way, a man of your talents could find place in the circus, maybe as a human cannonball. I hear they’re looking for a man of your caliber.

    Have a nice day.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Good point Doc: I have the video of that here. It also shows that Compass was responsible for that bit of evilness.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    And I swear very rarely in my blogging.

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    promoted based, not on qualifications, but on race.

    Isn’t this wrong Dave? Isn’t it wrong to promote based on race? Or is it just wrong when it’s done to minorities?

    Er..Dave, those are meant to be rhetorical question. Nevertheless, I can’t wait for your twisted response.

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    Yeah, of course. I was just congratulating your son on his promotion, no matter how he “earned” it

    Aren’t you the clever little whippersnapper?

    Actually, that is a good line…very childish but quite funny ( and transparent) I might add.

    Gotta go now Davey boy- I’ll catcha later.

  • BRYAN

    FIRST OF ALL, I AM A POLICE OFFICER…I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE NEAGTIVE CONTACTS AND EXPERIENCES WITH POLICE…I HAVE HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE MYSELF AND I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL OTHERS.

    LIKE THE SILLY TRAFFIC TICKET…I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLAINT…IT SOUNDS LIKE A CHICKENSHIT TICKET…I WILL NOT TRY TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR IT BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE OFFICER, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN A FAIRLY NEW OFFICER…I REMEMBER SOME THINGS I WROTE TICKETS FOR WHEN I WAS A YOUNG OFFICER AND SOME OF THEM WERE CHICKENSHIT.

    THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN STREET COPS OR CITY COPS AND HIGHWAY PATROL OFFICERS THOUGH…STREET COPS DEAL MORE WITH RESPONDING TO CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT INVOLVE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY..WHILE HIGHWAY PATROL OFFICERS DEAL MORE WITH TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND HIGHWAY SAFETY ISSUES…SOME HIGHWAY PATROL OFFICERS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN WRITE TICKETS, BUT THOSE TICKETS SLOW PEOPLE DOWN MAKE THE HIGHWAYS SAFER FOR ALL OF US.

    IN RESPONSE TO THE VEHICLE THEFT COMPLAINT…PROPERTY CRIMES ARE SOME OF THE MORE DIFFICULT CRIMES TO SOLVE..AND JUST BECAUSE AN INSURANCE COMPANY RECOVERS A STOLEN VEHICLE DOESN’T MEAN A SUSPECT OR OFFENDER WAS APPREHENDED OR PROSECUTED FOR IT.

    POLICE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE UNITED STATES ARE EXPECTED TO DO MANY THINGS..AND MOST, IF NOT ALL, ARE UNDER STAFFED OR HAVE SOME TYPE OF MANPOWER ISSUES BECAUSE OF FUNDING…THAT ALL GOES INTO TAXES AND NONE OF US WANT OUR TAXES TO INCREASE…NOBODY AND NOTHING IS PERFECT..NOBODY AND NOTHING WILL EVER BE PERFECT.

    I DO BELIEVE MOST, IF NOT ALL, POLICE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE UNITED STATES COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND COULD IMPROVE IN SOME AREAS..PARTICULARLY PUBLIC SERVICE..THERE ARE ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUES EVERYWHERE YOU GO..AND SOME PEOPLE JUST DON’T WORK UNLESS OTHER PEOPLE MAKE THEM WORK…WE AS VOTERS NEED TO BE BETTER ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE BEST PEOPLE ARE ELECTED INTO OFFICE.

    THERE ARE SOME BAD COPS OUT THERE AND SOME DIRTY COPS, THAT IS REALITY…I HAVE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR ABOUT NINE (9) YEARS NOW AND I HAVE WORKED WITH SOME BAD COPS, MORE LAZY THAN ANYTHING..BUT, I HAVE NEVER WORKED WITH A DIRTY COP! I HAVE EVEN SEEN THOSE LAZY COPS RUSH INTO HIGH RISK AND DANGEROUS SITUTIONS TO SAVE LIVES WHEN CALLED UPON TO DO SO!

    THERE ARE A FEW BAD AND DIRTY COPS OUT THERE THAT GIVE THE ENTIRE POLICE PROFESSION A BLACK EYE..THE PROFESSION IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO IMPROVE AND DOES NOT TOLERATE ACTS COMMITTED BY OFFICERS THAT DIMINISH THE PUBLIC TRUST.

    POLICE OFFICERS ARE HELD TO VERY HIGH STANDARDS, BOTH ON-DUTY AND OFF-DUTY..IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION TO HAVE AND THE PUBLIC EXPECT THE VERY BEST ALWAYS..THE PUBLIC EXPECT THE POLICE TO BE PERFECT AND WE ARE NOT.

  • http://www.bismarckmandanblog.com/ Bismarck Mandan Blog

    Any system based on people is prone to that sort of thing. It’s human nature.

    By the way…does it really matter that it was a BLACK man that did those horrible things to that girl? I’m just posing a hypothetical here… I don’t mean to hijack this post. I’m the last guy who gives a darn about political correctness, but I do have little warning flags go up in the back of my mind when someone mentions race in that manner. It’s as if the detail of a black assailant somehow makes the story more scary, or the crime more heinous. That’s a dangerous gray area to get into.

    As far as the direct point of your post, I can’t say that I have ever seen any figures on how widespread police corruption might be. But it should not be tolerated by any means. That raises that age-old question, who watches the watchers?

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    Americans are extremely lucky for the quality of police we have.

    Think of what the police are in places like Mexico or Thailand.

    By comparison American police are very professional and honest, give or take a few bad apples here and there.

  • 2Hotel9

    The generating of revenue. Not something police should be doing.

  • robert108

    Bezu: “Only an idiot(i.e. lib dems) would believe that that too could be blamed on the president”

    Exactly. The MSM gleefully leapt upon all the unconfirmed reports and reported them to the rest of the country as fact. Later, when most of it(like the dead bodies floating down the street in the toxic soup) were revealed to be false, they didn’t seem to care about “the public’s right to know”. Funny how that works.

  • Dave

    Pilgrim:

    Do we have the occaisional bad egg or attitude problem officer, or the officer who thinks he’s better than others because of the badge? Of course. (…)Those are the ones the public notices because they stand out like a raisin in rice, and they reflect badly on all of us. But……for every ass clown like that you have thousands who work hard and never let this job take their humanity.

    Cool. So, next time the Right does to college professors what Gene did to police officers, will you react the same way?

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Bezu Fache

    Animal Liberation Dave
    Can’t tolerate your stupidity today…or your usual preposterous posts.

    Isn’t it time for you to check in with your Mommy to make sure you still have her permission to use the computer.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Dave,

    Now THAT was funny.

    Interpreting Pilgrim’s note, he and I are about the same age. I’m guessing we would agree on many things.

    I just don’t know why I can rant about Vouchers using many teachers as bad examples of educators, The TSA and their group incompetence, and then when I dare to take on a sacred cow like law enforcement it goes over so “well”.

    If you never ask the question………..no answers.

    I don’t believe in sacred cows, they should be made into hamburger.

    So, Mr. P, chill, this may not be about you,

    Please don’t demonstrate the very thing I was questioning. It takes away from the argument.

    I’m just saying…………….

  • Dave

    Pilgrim: I’m sure you’ve made Gene completely rethink his stereotypes about those in law enforcement.

  • Pilgrim

    Warrior,

    Like any other profession there will always be bad apples, bad situations, and bad calls made by a few. Our job is high profile, so that evrey mistake or violation of the law is front page news.

    Cops are expected to conform to a higher standard both in their jobs and their personal conduct and the vast majority do. They discharge their duties with pride and honor. I have had a long and honorable career and I find opinions like the one posted here personally insulting.

    Before the bedwetting types like Gene, whoever he is, expresses the type of opinion that he did I would stongly recommend that actually talk to a cop. Most departments have some sort of ride along program. Ride with a cop on a Friday night and see the crap we put up with. Then maybe, just maybe, you’ll have something to base an opinion on.

    Tell you what, Gene ol’ buddy…..flag down the next street cop you see and tell him you think he and his co-workers are a bunch of Barney Fifes. Better yet, come down here and tell the officers I have the honor to lead your enlightened opinion of them.

    You have a standing invitation to do so.

    Warrior, I hope you son serves with strength and honor. Please give him my respects. It’s more than he’ll get from the likes of Gene.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    I’d say cut Pilgrim some slack.

    Heh, if the show Cops is any indication at all of what real police have to put up with, the man must actually be a saint.

  • Dave

    It reminds me of the times a group of young Hispanic men come into my resteraunt, swear at me, make a huge mess, don’t tip, and then call me a racist for giving them poor service the next time they come in. I’m like….

  • Pilgrim

    Gene,

    Okay, truce. Just struck a raw nerve. And NOT on the negative way some would think. I’m very proud of my profession and my career. And, like anyone else who truly takes pride in what they do, I will defend it when its attacked. You asked the question, like you said, so now you have an answer. There are many of us who take this job seriously and who understand that we are indeed here to serve and protect. Do we have the occaisional bad egg or attitude problem officer, or the officer who thinks he’s better than others because of the badge? Of course.

    Those are the ones the public notices because they stand out like a raisin in rice, and they reflect badly on all of us. But……for every ass clown like that you have thousands who work hard and never let this job take their humanity.

    I’m one of those. And one last thing. I really AM going to sit on the back porch naked smoking dope when I retire. I wasn’t joking. Its a goal.

  • 2Hotel9

    Bryan, all very valid points. Now I have a point to make, take your caps lock off, no need to scream.

  • robert108

    Bryan: “POLICE OFFICERS ARE HELD TO VERY HIGH STANDARDS, BOTH ON-DUTY AND OFF-DUTY..IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION TO HAVE AND THE PUBLIC EXPECT THE VERY BEST ALWAYS..THE PUBLIC EXPECT THE POLICE TO BE PERFECT AND WE ARE NOT.”

    The problem with your position is that, like the original story in this thread, when cops make mistakes, people die or are badly harmed. The old excuse about it being “a very difficult position” does’t bring that girl back to life. Since they carry guns and make life and death decisions, police officers should be damn near perfect, and when they’re not, they should apologize and take responsibility instead of trying to excuse their mistakes. If you want to be respected, man up and stop whining.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene Redlin

    And, be careful out there………..

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Bezu Fache

    Pilgrim:

    Do we have the occaisional bad egg or attitude problem officer, or the officer who thinks he’s better than others because of the badge? Of course. (…)Those are the ones the public notices because they stand out like a raisin in rice, and they reflect badly on all of us. But……for every ass clown like that you have thousands who work hard and never let this job take their humanity.

    Cool. So, next time the Right does to college professors what Gene did to police officers, will you react the same way?
    Dave on September 3, 2006 at 11:31 PM

    Or the next time animal rights activists do to ranchers what Rumsfeld did to appeasement minded journalists,will you react the same way?

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene Redlin

    Pilgrim,
    Truce.
    I’m with it.

    I understand, you give your life in a noble profession and then some guy makes blanket statements (Like ME) that besmirches your profession.

    It’s a tough case.

    I don’t know if I endorse the whole privatised legal system thing. It’s a discussion worth having however.

    By the way, Naked is ok, Saw Failure to Launch with Terry Bradshaw, but dope I’m not so sure about. Tried it, didn’t think much of it.

    All the best, and to you and Bryan as well.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    One of the arguments Gene put forth for privatizing the police was that it would make them more accountable.

    I’m not so sure that the police aren’t accountable enough as it is, and I’m also not sure if I want to make them more susceptible to some of the outrageous charges and lawsuits I’ve seen flung at them.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I think Whistler nailed it with this:

    A little understanding both ways would go a long way.

    I’m from a law enforcement family, so I know a bit about anti-cop attitudes. Typically I write the attitudes off to the fact that most people are sort of afraid of cops. Who isn’t nervous when they get pulled over? My dad, a 22 year veteran of law enforcement, once told me that even he gets a little nervous when he gets pulled over.

    And we hate what we’re afraid of.

    I think a big problem, as Whistler also said, is that cops are being asked to enforce some damn silly laws these days. Even here in little old North Dakota cops are being called to schools to break up fist fights. They’re also being asked to enforce asinine seat belt laws and drunk driving laws that have, frankly, just become draconian. The cops are on the front lines of this stuff, and they get the backlash whether it is deserved or not.

    All that being said, I am concerned with this trend toward no-knock raids (read the article Gene linked in the post on this, it’s a good one) and para-military police forces. Are SWAT tactics and heavy weaponry necessary for the Police? In some places I think they are, but more and more those things are finding their way into the police departments of communities that don’t exactly need them.

    It’s a complicated issue, one that deserves more than a knee-jerk reaction one way or the other.

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