Do We Open Our Mouths Or Stay Silent?

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Thanks to weather that was unusually mild for a North Dakota December, my wife and I spent part of this weekend shopping at Walmart for outdoor Christmas decorations. And, because we had the kids with, we of course spent way too much money. Because daddy doesn’t very often say no to his girls.

As we neared the cashier in a checkout line that was, thanks to the oil boom compounded by the holiday shopping season, easily 200 feet long we saw the woman in front of us buying groceries with food stamps. We noticed because there was some issue that the cashier needed a manager for, and we overheard them talking. But what really caught our attention was the fact that this woman, after buying her food with food stamps, proceeded to buy a cart load of other luxury items including an Xbox and a number of games.

Our first reaction was, of course, consternation. My wife and I haven’t taken a penny of government assistance in our entire lives. Nor have we always been as well off as we are now. I can remember, when we were younger, living hand-to-mouth. I remember, as much as it embarrasses me now, going to bars not to drink to but to cash in on free food offerings as a way to stretch our budget to the next pay check.

Those days didn’t last long because we’ve worked hard, and managed our finances prudently, but when things were tight we did without a lot of luxuries. The first six years I wrote this blog I did so through a dial-up internet connection on an aging desktop computer because I couldn’t afford broadband or a newer computer. We didn’t have cable, nor a stick of furniture that wasn’t either a gift or used. Or found on someone’s curb. Our cars were reliable and safe, but far from new. Our clothes were from garage sales or the local thrift shop as often as they were new. We didn’t have cable. A dinner and a movie was a lavish treat. Heck, renting a movie was a fairly rare treat. And Christmas presents? We bought ourselves and our kids things we needed, like clothes, with maybe a book or a small toy as the treat. The grandparents bought the big stuff.

But we made it. Even with the unexpected expenses and disasters, we made it by working hard and spending smart. I reveal this part of my personal life to you, and exposing it to the ridicule of the always-present comment critics and hate-mailers, to show that I’m not some plutocrat who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I know what it’s like to be poor. I know what’s like to worry about keeping the lights on, the house warm and bellies full. Which is why it’s frustrating to see someone who apparently can’t pay to feed themselves loading up on luxury items at the grocery store.

I’ve never been opposed to social entitlements for the truly needy. We are a prosperous society. We can afford a safety net for those who truly need it. But I am absolutely opposed to safety nets becoming hammocks, which is the point we’re at with social policy today.

After what we saw at Walmart my wife and I had a discussion about what we should have done. Was it ok to stay quiet? Should we have said something? We don’t know the entirety of this woman’s story. Maybe grandma and grandpa slipped her some money to get the kids some nice gifts for Christmas. Maybe someone gave her a gift card. So making a scene in a checkout line full of flustered holiday shoppers probably isn’t the right venue for denunciations of the welfare state.

But at what point do we speak up? At what point do we say that it’s wrong to subsidize irresponsible lifestyles? At what point do those living the irresponsible lifestyles need to hear it from the people around them?

People who must be fed by the taxpayers ought to feel shame. Shame that they can’t provide for themselves and their family. But these days the shame seems to fall with those who question the amount of tax dollars going to social welfare, as if compassion were measured by government appropriations.

We need to stop feeling ashamed of speaking out on this issue. And not in letters to the editor or on talk radio shows or on political blogs but in our day-to-day lives.

The when, where and how is the question.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Harold

    Obama says only the needy get food stamps and he needs their votes in elections. So again only the needy get these perks for their votes.

    • $8194357

      The “politically correct social justice needy” Harold…
      Protected class/group status is a major key to the agendas..

  • igx

    The problem I see is the Democrat Party and the Fed engender a low opportunity economy that perpetuates this stuff. To a certain extent people are just surviving in a screwed up system because work just doesn’t pay in a weak dollar, inflationist economy.

    I think it’s a proven fact that at some scary high level level of income like 50K you are better off living off the government.

    • RCND

      And the government sets the expectation that government assistance is the best they can ever hope for, so don’t bother aspiring to anything better

    • Old&InTheWay

      So, I’m not sure if the phrase “I think” and “proven fact” can or should be used together in the same sentence….Do you have any sources that can truly prove this?

  • igx

    Here you go: When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy Of America’s Welfare State

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-27/when-work-punished-tragedy-americas-welfare-state

  • SigFan

    You’re right to say that that without knowing the entire story it would have been inappropriate to confront this person Rob. She may have received some cash from family, friends, church or other legitimate means and was trying to give her kids a memorable Christmas. That said though I have seen far too many in stores paying for food items with their EBT cards that I wouldn’t buy with cash – and I can afford it on my own. Not just junk food but luxury items that most people wouldn’t spend their money on in the best of times if they’re smart. And the number of obese people using foodstamps is startling – not that the only people who could stand to lose a body or two are on foodstamps. We really have taken the “safety net” far too close to a hammock and that has to change if we are ever going to get the fiscal situation under control.

  • The Fighting Czech

    sometimes things arent always what they look. But of course most of the time they do. last year I was behind a lady like this in the local grocery store, myself. She apparently had to pay for some stuff with money out of her pocket because the cashier told her that SNAP wouldnt. anyway I spotted her in the parking lot, Loading a sharp looking Escalade. and the best part? Her husband just wheeled a cart full of booze, out of the Liquor store next door and was unloading his cart at the same time. I could see why they needed an Escalade.

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      If you felt that they were scamming the system you should have turned them in. Period.

  • borborygmi

    You don’t know the womans entire history, prudence should tell you not to say anything. Except on SAB of course

  • banjo kid

    Don’t worry about the critics you have just described the real America . It is no where like the left says it is. We have people who are honest and they tend to make it on their own . I was always lucky in finding jobs that paid well and most of the time we had a great Christmas but I worked six and seven days a week . one stretch was two years long at 12 hours a day seven days a week and you sort of forget who you are and why are you even here. But work is all I have ever known to get any thing and it is the only way I know now .

  • matthew_bosch

    The welfare system erodes self-worth and perpetuates government servitude.

  • camsaure

    You may have been right to not say anything in Christmas season, but maybe a different time of year and witnessing the same thing?????

  • LastBestHope

    America is the only nation in the history of the world where many of those in “poverty” have a problem with obesity.

    (That observation and more @ http://blip.tv/davidhorowitztv/bill-whittle-6444929 )

    And no Rob, like faux “disabilty” and willful “unemployment”, we can’t solve this pervasive social/economic/political issue by confronting an individual. Those who will take what is being given away have no moral reservations about doing so. Lectures from strangers (or friends) are wasted efforts. What you did by posting the incident here on SAB was the right way to go, as it at least shines a light on the problem. The fix for what you saw is a Gordian knot.

  • awfulorv

    The EBT card should be tied to learning something practical whenever it’s used. Perhaps here, in the profile state of Arizona, an English word, or phrase, the meaning, and the proper use of the word, could be taught each time the card is used. I’ve seen pro baseball players, in the majors for ten years, requiring a teammate to interpret for them during interviews. What’s up with that? Don’t know if it’s possible, but if chickens, pigs, hamsters, even a Hannitized , can be taught to peck a keyboard, in order to receive a kernel of corn, or dispense hogwash, why can’t illegal Mexicans also be taught something useful, like English, in this manner. Or should we continue to assume they’ve memorized the traffic signs, and wont come careening through one, and kill yourself, or a loved one, because they simply couldn’t read the warning signs?

    • awfulorv

      And what of the feasibility of inserting a tiny pedometer in each EBT card which will measure how much walking, or running, the user has undertaken since they last used the card. And disable the use of the card, if they’ve not fulfilled their “Quota” of healthful exercise. This, alone, will get millions of obese women, up off sofas, stained with the urine of their smelly cats, and promote, at least, a modicum of exercise in order to continue purchasing ever more fattening foods for they, and their discharge. Someone notify the Dining Queen, and Mayor Bloomberger, this is right up their alleys.

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

        “A tiny pedometer in each EBT card”? Nah. Guys like Hanni would just clip the card to their girlfriend’s collar and let her out in the yard for a while.

        • Neiman

          I don’t care who you are, that there is dang funny. Mostly true to

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            “Too”, not “to”. You moronic imbecile.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Your projection is, once again, duly noted, Tiny Sociopath.

            Your placement, or lack there of, (sic) of comma’s (sic) reveal (sic) your lack of education -Hanni

          • Neiman

            Shall I point out your every misspelled word and typing error butthead?

            You liberal filth would defend people like that joke Biden to misspell and make errors to the death and then throw a fit when a conservative makes the same errors.

            It was funny, I am confident that any woman or he/she attracted to you would come from dog shows. Do you offer them all a vomit bag before sex?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You forgot to use your comma, again, my Christian Brother.

          • Neiman

            A. As you are not a Christian, being that you refuse to confess Him as your Savior and Lord, are an accessory to the worst baby holocaust in history and you lie gays into hell, we are not brothers by any description. My father is God and yours Satan.

            B. Do you realize how childish you are being in correcting spelling and grammar? We all know what a crud you are and a baby as well.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You really love to hate, eh my Christian Brother?

          • Neiman

            The only hate I have is for sin, if you were a Christian you would share God’s hatred of sin.

            Why do you insult me after I have made it clear and stated my case why we are not Christian brothers, as you are not a Christian at all.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Oh come on now you’re not fooling anyone, Old Pal.
            There are many people you hate. You’ve said as much here.
            Why do you lie so much?

          • Neiman

            God said He hates sin and those that encourage others into sin because sin separates souls from Him forever, souls that He loves and gave His Son to die for; I gave you His Word and That is where I stand – on His Word. You hold your word above God’s, but as an admitted non-Christian that is no surprise.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, you hate people, you’ve said so.

          • Neiman

            I am not your pal, that is a lie and I am not going to respond to your lies.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Thank you for your response, Old Pal, but where is the lie?
            You’ve written about the people you hate, have you not?

          • two_amber_lamps
          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You’ve got nothing. LOL!

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yours is a game, and you’re a joke to boot! Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!

          • Tony

            And you’ve got a tax lien, you cheating liberal scum.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Say, you found your racist friend to communicate with, eh Poofy? Never let it be said that there was never a conservative racist that you would not befriend.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Do you pull the race card as often as you pull your pud, Wankertized? If so, your hand must be really tired!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            “Birds of a feather”, you and he. That’s all I’m sayin.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Not the one hand you type with. That’s all I’m sayin’.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You always crack yourself up and bore the rest of us.

          • Charles

            Of course when you refer to “the rest of us” you talking about those little voices in your tiny little head. No one likes you, everyone just laughs at you.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            That’s our little Heinietized! More projection than a multiplex!

          • two_amber_lamps

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk_uVqAcGbE

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA! Look at the silly tax delinquent!

          • Neiman

            Don’t you liberal scum ever get tired of that racist label?

      • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

        This is just plain stupid. The majority of people that I know, including myself, are on disability BECAUSE THEY ARE DISABLED. The majority are physically disabled which means that they are not ABLE to get around physically.

        The fact is that you don’t have the right to demand anything so intrusive on anyone other than yourself.

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      What’s an illegal Mexican? How does that differ from a legal Mexican? LOL.

      You moron!

      • Spartacus

        Juan that entered this country without permission. Are you really so simple you’re THAT stupid? Everyone except you understands.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          So what makes his Mexican nationality illegal? Or, if you are extra stupid, what makes his ethnicity illegal?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Wee Willy Tax Dodger in yellow stained boardies said: “So what makes his Mexican nationality illegal? Or, if you are extra stupid, what makes his ethnicity illegal?”

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

            Flinging crap again I see…. why don’t you shut up with the race baiting and read the law?

            8 USC § 1325 – Improper entry by alien

            http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

            What a shame we can’t deport US citizens for blatant idiocy….. or chronic tax fraud.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What does the law say about being a Mexican, legally or illegally. Please show me.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Tiny yellow stained boardie wearing sodomite… that’s precisely the point…. IT DOESN’T.

            The law, when equally applied (a foreign concept for a dogmatic leftist, I know) doesn’t care if you’re black, white, brown, pink with purple polka dots… if you are a foreign national, and fit the description as stated under the law, you are in the country illegally.

            If you think “alien” is some kind of “RAAAAAAAaaaaa-cism,” you’re an imbecile since the term is actually defined in the Immigration and Nationality Act.

            This dreck of “illegal alien” being exclusively applied to Mexicans of Hispanic descent is a manufactured leftist race-baiting fallacy.

            Now go lie down on your urine-stained rug or go play on the freeway lil’ feller.

  • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

    The food assistance program should consist of giving everyone that wants it beans and rice and flour and powdered skim milk (You may think of other staples to add to the program along these lines). Problem solved. Nobody, I mean nobody, needs to go hungry in this country but they have plenty of incentive to work to buy the nicer things.

    • $8194357

      Our poor class live like middle class and the world sees it…
      Why go to work or stay in your own country when ya can sneek off to America and live off the taxpayer and federal government and live like a king compared to where ya come from…
      And how many generations of all of Americans diverse groups have taken advantage of it as well?

      • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

        Since 1994, none. The welfare rules were changed. There is a maximum of 5 years to collect welfare. And many states have even less. Workfare is mandatory.

        So repeating the meme that generations of people are on welfare is not only wrong, it’s dishonest.

        • $8194357

          Check out the inner cities and the reservations….
          Federal monies to farmers?
          Unions?
          ect…ect..
          Same oh…. same oh
          Generationally dependent voting blocks on fiat crack paper..
          founders said it best………..
          BEWARE THE DEBTORS PEN…
          Pay as you go or do without……
          Ownership transfers with debts unpaid oh wise one…
          LOCK….STOCK…AND BARREL…
          In other words…
          Governance….People…and real estate…
          who’s our daddy now?

  • Game

    Rob,
    Thanks for talking about this. Though you and I will not likely agree on the issue or the proper response to the issue, I do appreciate talking about it.
    First off, I also came from extreme poverty and worked my way out. I never was on food stamps or any direct assistance program to help me do that, however, I did benefit from a public education system and other opportunities like that. While I did it with hard work, I admit that a system was in place that was developed my many others that made my story possible.
    Second, we don’t know what the story was of this family in line. First off, one of the traits of generational poverty is that people who don’t have money do not know what it is like to save and spend wisely. They are not often people who have a lot of hope for the future, because they don’t really know too many people who have succeeded. It is funny, because growing up, I did not know anybody in my private life who did not live in poverty. Only later in life when I developed friendships with some kids who had “successful” parents did that begin to change. I do know some people who sort of have a bit of an “entitlement” issue, but those people are very rare. Most people are really just holding on for today, and don’t really care about tomorrow.
    The bottom line is that assuming “they have no shame” is wrong. The bottom line is they have no hope, and they are just trying to get by.
    Now let’s talk about the Xbox. Many people who are poor will have one thing that will bring joy to their lives. For my dad, it was his car that he always took really good care of. A friend of mine had a horse. For me, it was normally a game system. Should I have spent that money on something else? Yes, perhaps. But it was the one thing that gave me a bit of a distraction and a bit of entertainment. A $200 system would be my entire entertainment budget for a year. It was also one thing that brought me on a level playing field with my friends with more money. They had nicer houses, nicer cars, went on vacation, had lots of really cool stuff. But we had the same game system, so we could talk about that.
    Finally, I agree we need major reform to our social support systems. I don’t think the current system works to encourage people to get off of benefits and move up the system. However, one of the biggest reason I will never become a Republican is that they are not interested in fixing the system, but in punishing the poor. Nobody is ever going to put in the work it takes to move up the social system because somebody yells at them at Wal-Mart. Nobody is ever going to sacrifice everything they know because some politician think they are lazy and unsuccessful.
    We do need reform, but it starts with understand and compassion, not spite and anger.

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      First of all I appreciate your thoughtful post. However I do feel I need to point out that these programs were started full of compassion and the truth is we’ve got more poverty and more misery than ever before. The welfare state has done tremendous damage to much of our society and it’s a real tragedy.

      • sbark

        right…as in a recent news article, the total budget of welfare programs –we could just directly give each poor family some 66,000 and be done, instead we let the govt beuracrats all the way down to each local level county social services suck up 60% of the avail funds……..
        So many Liberal programs start out with admirable beginnings and goals—-Road ditch cleanup in the 70’s turning into economy killing EPA, War on Poverty has turning into a 16 trillion dollar societal death trap. Unions started with actual needs have turning into a way to fund the radical left and job killing wage demands.
        Liberalims never leaves well enough alone—-there is always another threshhold to go over

        • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

          “economy killing EPA,”

          No, company’s releasing toxic waster into our water, land and atmosphere is what caused the EPA to be started.

          If you are too young to remember all of the environmental disasters, look them up. 1960’s and 1970’s.

          There was good reason to start the EPA, and very good reasons to keep it.

          • sbark

            Enviro disasters…….you mean like the Gulf spill last year—-that mother nature took care of, but was a good 20 billion dollar shakedown of BP oil?
            You do realize between Union costs and EPA fuel standards etc —were the reasons for GM and Chrysler going broke.
            EPA shutting down energy exploration where ever they can has contributed greatly to our nations debt, as we then are forced to buy oil from middle east, Canada etc.
            Liberalism takes alot of good things and turns them, warps them and distorts them into tools of money funnels, power and control over citizens.
            A persons love for big powerful govt………is a direct reflection of their disdain for fellow citizens.

      • Game

        I do understand what you are saying, and as I said, I really do feel we need reform of the system.

        However, I think it is a bunch of stretch to say that we have more poverty now than before most programs were started. Since the 1960’s, poverty rates have stayed about the same, with spikes due to economical reasons (recessions) rather than behavioral (entitlement society) . To say the support systems have made it “worse” is a stretch, however, it is hard to argue that it has done anything to make poverty actually go down.

        • sbark

          1The Left has continued to re-define poverty rate upwards to be able to include more and more “potential voters” to be eligible for money, just as they’ve rediefined rich down to 250k from 2 million at Clinton era—even as QE 1,2,3,4 should’ve been pushing the actual level of rich upwards……

          That gap 2012……rich 250 vrs poor now in the 27,000 for a family of 5.–a ratio of approx 10-1
          as contrast to Clinton’itsa era of 2 million rich and a poverty level for a family of four at 16400.00—a ratio of 120=1
          that ratio change was in 12 yrs……….
          How long, without correcting the spending problem until rich is redifined down to about $5.45 over the poverty level………I’d say about 5 yrs…….

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      We’ve had reform since 1994. President Clinton and Newt Gingrich worked out a bill that would limit adults to 5 years maximum for welfare benefits. Most states demand less. Workfare is mandatory.

      Generational welfare has not been a problem for many, many years. So, why do so many people lie that it is still happening?

  • WOOF

    Bentley driving welfare cheats don’t shop at Walmart.

    They send a servant.

    • two_amber_lamps

      They send WOOF?

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      I used to borrow my Dad’s Cadillac to go shopping. I didn’t have a car and he would loan me is to do so.

      In what way would this be wrong?

  • OldConserv2011

    Rob, Writing this article is the right place to start. You could have left out that last sentence. Whether you post it on your blog or I write a letter to the editor, the hope is that even just a few of the people who read it will see a glimpse of themself or of a friend or family member and will commit to trying to make a change. Saying something to that person directly may have embarrassed them horribly, but it most likely also would have brought someone’s ire down on yourself for being insensitive to their feelings.

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      Or for making assumptions that they have no business making.

  • WOOF

    WalMart loves SNAP,
    Agribusiness love Snap.
    Businesses love Snap
    (trucks and trains and oil and electricity companies).
    Governors love SNAP,
    Mayors too.
    Now you know who to confront.

    • two_amber_lamps

      WOOF likes SNAP too!

      It’s free! Swipe yo’ EBT!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzxzzms5OxQ

      • $8194357

        When the checks came in each month on the res it was known as
        “mothers day” even as far back as the 70’s and the bars would fill up..
        I have seen this all my life and been called a hater for saying anything about it. Truth will ‘always’ get ya in trouble, huh.

  • wonderingson

    As a health care provider, I took care of a young person and engaged the person’s father in a conversation about hunting and fishing. In the course of the conversation, it came up that the father had recently bought the child a new weapon and that the family had bought a new fishing boat the previous summer. Good for them I thought at the time. A little later while finishing my charting, I noticed that the family did not have insurance. As someone who had never owned a new boat, I was perplexed. Where were the families priorities? I haven’t run into the family since but from time to time have wondered how they have fared.

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      Most of them use those items to feed themselves. One large buck will feed a family of 4 for the whole winter. Fish are more plentiful in the center of the lake than near the shore.

  • borborygmi

    I am normally a giving person but when I seen 4 cases of beer go into your house and then your wife comes over and asks for $20 for food I will say no.

  • http://randerings.blogspot.com Dawn

    Just this weekend, the friend of one of my sons, whose family can’t seem to afford basic necessities such as clothing and food for their kids, spent a good deal of time explaining to me how his older brother and sister really enjoyed their brand new Kindle Fires. And a couple of months ago, the family bought 3 fairly new vehicles (one for each parent and one for the two teenage daughters) and they always seem to have money to spend at the bar or on expensive new video games. I just don’t get it.

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      I don’t either, and I’m receiving food stamps, medicare, medicaid and SSDI. I can’t afford to buy any of those things, either.

      However, I have been able to buy an older Class A Moterhome because a neighbor was willing to take payments. I am lucky that my space rent includes, cable, wifi, water, sewer and electricity. I only get $790 per month and I put everything is a spreadsheet (openoffice.org Calc) to keep track of my budget. I have a Notebook Computer that I bought in payments. Now that that’s done I am buying a compact car, again on payments. My budget goes down to the penny, and if it’s not in the budget it doesn’t get done.

      I have one indulgence. When I go to do my major monthly shopping, I pick up a $10 any size, any toppings pizza at Pizza Hut. It’s only good for take out, and it will last me several days of meal. After doing my major shopping, I have almost no energy for the next few days.

  • Waski_the_Squirrel

    Confronting the woman would have been rude and wouldn’t have accomplished anything except to make her angry. It would also have put people on her side.

    The way you have handled it is best. People need to rethink what poverty is.

  • sbark

    Even a decade ago, it was peer pressure that kept alot of people off food stamps and or welfare. Peer pressure such as in your very walmart checkout line was a big deterant for alot of people with any level of pride.
    Now, with the welfare credit card, most feel they are invisible to the ave consumer in line behind them, same with the ability to sign up for same in the local social services office now avail over the internet.
    Even if a person is not willing to say something verbally in line…..Peer pressure is what is needed…….that fight is within govt. and it beuracracy. The Social service beuracrats encourage people to sign up and promise them confidentiallity in doing so. Food stamps should look like food stamps for all to see.
    The farm subsidies are all listed on a database available to all ………….why not the same for welfare/foodstamps……..and then a monthly drug test also, dont forget that. And prohibit the beuracrats from advertising for “customers” locally and as Obama does down into Mexico—-

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      “and then a monthly drug test also, dont forget that.”

      This is illegal, and what do you propose for the disabled and/or seniors? I am on pain meds, as well as others, and so are most of the people that I know who are disabled. A drug test doesn’t differentiate between prescribed, necessary drugs and street drugs. Do you have a valid, workable alternative?

      • sbark

        A request for ID is also illegal in many states………doesnt mean its correct with all the fraud going on in voting, welfare and in the last decade SS disability (which is the new avenue around welfare eligibiity).
        If drug testing can differentiate between a pro-athletes steroids and illegal drugs………technology can be found to do what is needed on entitlement eligibility…the market just has to call for it.
        Society cannot be 16.6 trillion in debt and things not change………what cannot go on forever, wont. I’d prefer the American way of life to supercede 30% of the nation not producing and atually hurting society as a whole.

  • borborygmi

    And, because we had the kids with, we of course spent way too much money. Because daddy doesn’t very often say no to his girls….. The first steps to becoming liberal. You are a good dad

  • Spartacus

    Back in the ’70’s, when CBS was a credible source for news and other information, 60Minutes did an expose’ on welfare fraud. They aired video of countless people repeatedly showing up at welfare agencies in Cadillacs and Lincolns, when the confronted some of them they were threatened with law suits. Selfish greedy liberals have been around for a very long time.

    • $8194357

      yup
      The war on poverty was a social justice front
      for Americas deconstruction..

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        That’s what the Romans said about Christianity. You really learned nothing from The Bible.

        • $8194357

          If you say so decieved leper…
          As your faith is so it be done unto you…
          Harsh? or True?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You spoil The Word of God.

          • $8194357

            So “you” divide Salvation by the sinners works and His works?
            Works are fruit of the Spirit that come “only” from Christ and you say I spoil the Word?
            John 4:23-25
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
            24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
            25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

            26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

            Revelation 17:2-4
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
            3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

            4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.[a]

            Matthew 12:22-37
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            A House Divided Cannot Stand

            22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and[a] mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

            24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub,[b] the ruler of the demons.”

            25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
            26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
            27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
            28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
            29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
            30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

            The Unpardonable Sin

            31 “Therefore
            I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

            32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him;
            but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit,
            it will not be forgiven him,
            either in this age or in the age to come.

            A Tree Known by Its Fruit

            33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good,
            or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad;
            for a tree is known by its fruit.

            34 Brood of vipers!
            How can you, being evil, speak good things?
            For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

            35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart[c]
            brings forth good things,
            and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.

            36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak,
            they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

            37 For by your words you will be justified,
            and by your words you will be condemned.”

            end quote

            By “your” faith
            it will be done unto you…
            Harsh…huh…
            No…True…

            Blog on sharkbait..
            Blog on;
            oh son of false moral social justice works

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You can cut and paste it, but you do not live by The Word.

          • $8194357

            How would one as blind and unknowing as you have even a clue?

          • $8194357
          • Neiman

            You don’t know or live by His word and cannot discern Truth.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You are not God, you have no power to judge who is Christian and who is not.

          • LenYol

            You are not qualified to judge anyone.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            mikemc1970, you are a coward who hides in the shadows. You are not qualified for anything.

          • $8194357

            Sayeth the
            sock puppet puppy of the decade while he calls the kettle black…
            Is that blasphomy in your PC religion to say the kettle is black?

          • LenYol

            Since I’m not mikemc1970, that qualifies me to label you IGNORANT, as usual, and not qualified to judge anything or anyone. You are nothing more than a turd who’s addicted to SAB, the only place you get attention.

          • $8194357

            But he stayed in a Holiday Inn express with his boy friend last night?

          • $8194357

            But you can judge by your personal
            understandings that “we” spoil it huh.
            And never a Scriptural base or foundation to build your
            deception upon even…
            at least your daddy lucifer builds on “shifting sands” of Scriptures communist false morality…
            You parrot boy?
            Just puff up and puke out pre digested pablum
            of secular deceptions…

          • Neiman

            He NEVER appeals to God’s Word to reprove us, he only bellows and rages and makes false accusations. Why? He hates you even pasting God’s Word, because he knows it convicts him.

            Make no mistake, I wish he would humble himself before God, repent with all sincerity, if need be in tears, for his sins and ask Jesus to be his Savior and Lord and give himself to Jesus, but Obama and liberalism are greater loves in his heart and Christ will not play second fiddle.

          • $8194357

            2 tru 4 maxist/jihadist skool Neiman

          • $8194357
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          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Your so twisted up with hate you can’t even let God’s word be done by good works, for fear you will lose your gold.

          • $8194357

            Ezekiel 7:18-20
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            18 They will also be girded with sackcloth;
            Horror will cover them;
            Shame will be on every face,
            Baldness on all their heads.

            19 ‘They will throw their silver into the streets,
            And their gold will be like refuse;
            Their silver and their gold will not be able to deliver them
            In the day of the wrath of the Lord;
            They will not satisfy their souls,
            Nor fill their stomachs,
            Because it became their stumbling block of iniquity.

            20 ‘As for the beauty of his ornaments,
            He set it in majesty;
            But they made from it
            The images of their abominations—
            Their detestable things;
            Therefore I have made it
            Like refuse to them.

            Spirit is Truth, kid…
            JESUS IS THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE..

            Acts 3:5-7
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            5 So he gave them his attention, expecting to receive something from them.
            6 Then Peter said, “Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.”
            7 And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

            THE CROSS BEFORE THE CROWN

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            All that cutting and pasting, but you don’t understand a single word.

          • $8194357

            What did you puke up, kid?

            Job 12:11-13
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            11 Does not the ear test words
            And the mouth taste its food?

            12 Wisdom is with aged men,
            And with length of days, understanding.

            13 “With Him are wisdom and strength,
            He has counsel and understanding.

            Exodus 35:31
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            31 and He has filled him with the Spirit of God,
            in wisdom and understanding,
            in knowledge and all manner of workmanship,

            Job 28:11-13
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            11 He dams up the streams from trickling;
            What is hidden he brings forth to light.

            12 “But where can wisdom be found?
            And where is the place of understanding?

            13 Man does not know its value,
            Nor is it found in the land of the living.

            Psalm 49:2-4
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            2 Both low and high,
            Rich and poor together.

            3 My mouth shall speak wisdom,
            And the meditation of my heart shall give understanding.

            4 I will incline my ear to a proverb;
            I will disclose my dark saying on the harp.

            Proverbs 1:1-10
            New King James Version (NKJV)
            The Beginning of Knowledge

            1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel:

            2 To know wisdom and instruction,
            To perceive the words of understanding,
            3 To receive the instruction of wisdom,
            Justice, judgment, and equity;
            4 To give prudence to the simple,
            To the young man knowledge and discretion—
            5 A wise man will hear and increase learning,
            And a man of understanding will attain wise counsel,
            6 To understand a proverb and an enigma,
            The words of the wise and their riddles.
            7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
            But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

            Shun Evil Counsel

            8 My son, hear the instruction of your father,
            And do not forsake the law of your mother;
            9 For they will be a graceful ornament on your head,
            And chains about your neck.

            10 My son, if sinners entice you,
            Do not consent.

            The Call of Wisdom

            20 Wisdom calls aloud outside;
            She raises her voice in the open squares.
            21 She cries out in the chief concourses,[b]
            At the openings of the gates in the city
            She speaks her words:
            22 “How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity?
            For scorners delight in their scorning,
            And fools hate knowledge.

            23 Turn at my rebuke;

            Surely I will pour out my spirit on you;
            I will make my words known to you.
            24 Because I have called and you refused,
            I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded,

            25 Because you disdained all my counsel,
            And would have none of my rebuke,

            26 I also will laugh at your calamity;
            I will mock when your terror comes,
            27 When your terror comes like a storm,
            And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
            When distress and anguish come upon you.

            28 “Then they will call on me,

            but I will not answer;
            They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.

            End quote

            The tears will fall like rain when….
            Nobody answers when you call their name…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bAv6u3STM

          • Neiman

            You are not a Christian, you cannot discern truth. Salvation is NOT of works, but is a gift of God. HE IS NOT about social justice or economic justice, but saving souls.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No matter how much you believe it, you are not God or even a God, Nieman. You do not have the power to tell someone who is and who is not a Christian.

            Your failure to understand scripture may be your cross to bare, but it certainly is no excuse for your stupidity.

          • Neiman

            I judge by their spiritual truths who is or is not a brother in Christ. No 1 – do they confess Jesus as their only Savior and the absolute Lord of their lives. You have long refused to confess Him.

            No 2 do they cover over sins and by word or deed encourage others to sin, which people God hates. In the cases of homosexuality and abortion you are guilty. So I cannot recognize you as part of the body of Christ.

            If you ever sincerely repented of your sins and by faith became a Christian I cannot know, I only know you now have not His Spirit.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No matter how much you believe you are God, you are not, Neiman. Your judgement does not matter, in the least.

          • Neiman

            I am responsible to God to judge the fruits (spiritual words/actions) of those claiming to be Christians and reject those that do not measure up to the Bible. I cannot embrace anyone as a brother that fail these simple tests, not 100% of course, but surely all are excluded that refuse to confess Christ.

            You have over and over and over refused to confess Jesus and as Jesus said of such people, He will refuse to confess you as His child before the Father and such people will be cast into outer darkness.

            That is all in His Word, you reject it at your own everlasting peril. As long as you refuse to confess Him at any time for any excuse to anyone that asks, He will not confess you to the Father and you are lost. But, how can you honestly confess Him as an accessory to mass murder (abortion), not repenting with your whole heart of ever having anything, no matter how remotely, to do with harming one of these little ones that Jesus loves. He said it would be better if you had a millstone around your neck and were cast into the sea. How can you not condemn homosexuality as He did, not homosexuals, but the sexual act/lifestyle? If you do not also earnestly repent of every having supported that lifestyle and commit to God to oppose it, how can you call yourself a Christian?

            How can you NEVER support any Christian here, not in anything they say, not suggesting 100% agreement like a Christian lemming? No, you attack them at every opportunity and you attack all Christians that are ever mentioned here at SAB.

            I am not your judge, thank God, but the fruits of your life are not Christian and you cannot continue therein and honestly claim to be a Christian.

          • $8194357

            Yup

          • Neiman

            His worst error is claiming to be a Christian, while steadfastly refusing to confess Him as his only Savior and the Lord of his life. He and Ellinas rage and say it is because I am the one asking them to declare their faith, but why would anyone in Love with Jesus find any cause not to declare Him, to their executioner or Satan? How many martyrs to the faith have chosen death rather than deny Him.

          • $8194357

            Quite a few and maybe quite a few more soon.

    • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

      “Back in the ’70’s, when CBS was a credible source for news and other information, 60Minutes did an expose’ on welfare fraud.”

      This hasn’t been true since 1994.

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      Yes, that Walter was one trusted journalist, wasn’t he?

  • $8194357

    Do We Open Our Mouths Or Stay Silent?
    Micro wave communism

    With eyes wide shut !

    http://vimeo.com/13722147

    What do you think some of us with eyes wide open been trying to
    tell ya all for so long now?

  • tomorrowclear

    I’ll do you one better, Robert: Not only have I never taken any form of public assistance, I’ve never made the rounds, mooching off “free” stuff from private businesses. I would have been embarrassed to do something like that, and, frankly, I don’t see how mooching and taking advantage of “free” stuff from private businesses is different than your conjecture that this lady was taking advantage of taxpayers.

    You seem like a well-fed boy. Just how food were you mooching off these establishments? Are we talking about dumping chicken wings into your wife’s purse? That kind of stuff? Or just hoarding the pretzels and chips?

  • Prairie Pilgrim

    Well, back in the day when I worked for an MD in her clinic, she would shake her head in disgust with the emerging welfare entitlement mindset. Mind you, this was in the late ’70s. She was an experienced medical doctor, (she was in her late ’60s by this time.. was brought out of retirement 2x by needy community clinics), she had earned her chops in Red China in the ’40s, as a Swedish missionary doctor, and remembers when penicillin was invented, and the incredible difference it made in out-back medicine. She was a practical woman! She knew what hard times were, and what resources a family needed to survive and thrive.

    As often as not, I saw her take a young woman, or a couple, into her office and shut the door, when they came into the clinic to obtain services, and she would COUNSEL them more than practice ‘medicine’ on them. Often, they would leave with a free sample prescription, and sometimes with some printed literature in their hands, to show for their office visit.

    So she told me how upset she was with the change in attitudes and practices of the gov’t, toward ‘entitlement’ expectations and delivery systems. She said not long ago, she was a ‘county nurse’ whose duty it was to VISIT the homes, and part of that was to go into the homes of welfare recipients and have sit down conversations with those recipients, and discuss their lifestyles and priorities, and how that was impacting their dependency on gov’t handouts like food and medicine! She was like a wise old mother to many of these households, many who possibly or probably never had great mentoring in their upbringing, or had made poor choices themselves.

    But she said how that changed, when people began to simply get checks sent to their mailboxes, and the home visits were discontinued.. the ACCOUNTABILITY and oversight by the people who SUBSIDIZED those payments was severed, and today we see the results. It was a slippery slope, and today there is every attempt to remove any stigma whatsoever, with receiving assistance from the hand of the taxpayers.

    Yes, there are many people who wouldn’t make it without assistance. But you know, the churches used to be the ‘safe haven’ for down and outers. We lived on a small farm and grew a huge garden. My dad used to give paper sack fulls of garden vegetables to needy families in the area. And we never had quite enough money ourselves, to buy anything but the major necessities, and a treat here and there.

    Now the main focus seems to be to make these assistance to the ‘needy’ as available and free from accountability as possible. Are we not thinking of the social and cultural consequences of these attitudes?? They are profound.

    Where a church or charitable organization would have direct contact and input into those peoples lives, there would be the opportunity for a support system that grows far beyond the immediate relief, far beyond what any gov’t alphabet agency could hope to offer or provide. And the people are deprived of that… WHO NEEDS IT!!?

    And we are all the poorer and less connected for it. America, it’s very late, but we had better shake this off, if we are to have a future that resembles anything close to what we used to have, and were truly gifted with, in our foundation!

    Unfortunately, we are preaching mainly to the choir here. But Rob’s dilemma is one that needs to be addressed. I think we should return accountability to the ‘safety net’ of welfare and food stamps. There should be the citizens to answer to, NOT the federal gov’t!! Since when did THEY care about expenditures? We are just numbers and stick figures to them.

    And, along with handouts and benefits, we give away our freedoms. The net eventually entangles the nation, as we have now seen, in the 2012 elections. Political correctness is a failed ideology, as the only ones who suffer for being ‘nice’ about it are those who remain silent! And that is probably the ‘silent’ majority!

    A healthy job creation environment is the best safety net, a job and PAYCHECK far exceeds a welfare check in creating pride and self respect in the earner’s household. “Food stamps” are NOT a good “stimulus” to our economy! That is how lunatic and disconnected from reality our ‘politician’s ‘ have become, to make that statement. And we are to trust our futures to them??

    Everyone needs to have this conversation with their co workers, and the media, and their families, and on social media! PC niceness has done nothing to help anyone. Charges of racism and homophobia and religious bigotry have never been more shrill.

    It’s time for honesty, and stop APOLOGIZING for it.

    America’s SURVIVAL is on the line! Is this the America you want your children to inherit? Our Founders not only TALKED about it and discussed it among themselves, they TOOK IMMEDIATE AND SUDDEN ACTION!! We MUST do the same.

    Sorry for the lengthy post, but how can you say this in a few sentences. TY.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Rob, in a situation like that it is best to MYOB. I know where you are coming from but it isn’t worth it. When I was born, the youngest of five, my family had just gotten plumbing two years before I was born. My old man rose above the situation he was delt and retired the president of a paper mill. My wife and I started with nothing and we have a pretty good retirement going on. It’s all about self respect and drive, not entitlements.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    I’m not ashamed to speak up and say that you don’t work hard, Rob. You whine and bleat angry right wing talking points. You get paid by right wing organizations that benefit from your lies and misinformation that you parrot, cut and paste, or make up.

    That’s not hard work like the rest of us know. Those of us who do good in the world by helping a business, a school, our military, or government or non-profits know what hard, honest work is. It’s not what you do and I am offended by your use of the term.

    • Spartacus

      Speaking of giving you’re employer a fair days work in exchange for a fair days pay Hannitized, how is it that YOU get to spend so much time here? Are our “Obama bucks” ( yes, I know “buck” is racist, spare me) paying for your data plan too?

      • LastBestHope

        Ckeck out the stats on “Community”. Lifeless is as lifeless does.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        I wonder why Rob doesn’t feel he has to respond to accusations that Americans who work hard question his statement that he works hard?

        • LastBestHope

          ‘Cause a fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Well that certainly doesn’t explain why Rob vents his full spirit on this blog, daily…….while remaining silent when his claims of “working hard” is questioned.

            Hmmm, something tells me he probably doesn’t want to enter that debate, for it is known that he gets paid to spread propaganda, not work hard.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Do you consider surfing in your yellow stained boardies, tax delinquency, and internet trolling to be gainful employment? Oh yes, in that case Tranny certainly does WORK HARD….

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            LOL, you sure do live in a fantasy world, kitten. How’s your son?

          • Sam

            How’s your son? Never mind, no one sane wants you, or any of your offspring, that is, if you were capable of reproducing.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Lemme guess, if I HAD a son you’d try to sodomize him? That’s working hard, you sick %$@k. Go play with your buddy Guest and Ellinasty.

      • guest

        hanni is a moocher, using his employers time to feed his SAB addiction, if he is actually employed.

    • Dave

      Rob raise’s a family…you can’t compete with that type of hard work. No one wants you, no one likes you. Everyone just laughs at you.

  • Yogibare

    What can one say? The possibilities with the people involved may be any number of things–they may be clueless–they may know exactly what they are about–or there is some extenuating circumstance.
    For the readers of the blogs: the Weekend Wall Street journal has an excellent article written by a Harvard prof who is a Conservative—-yes, there is such a person. It’s about two thirds of a page in the op-ed section. It is worth the effort to find it and well worth the read.
    Is our federal government deliberately “hooking” our citizens on the social welfare programs? Would Obama, Nancy, Harry Reid, Van Hollen et al do such a thing? Read the results of the Nov. 6 election!!!

  • nimrod

    My kids school lunch program always tries to get me to sign up for reduced cost meals. I think there is some incentive for the school to have a higher percentage on assistance. I was told that I could make a low 6 figure income and qualify with 3 or more school age children.

    • badlands4

      My oldest went to public school for four years. Each and every year the school tried to get us to sign up for the lunch program. Every year I would have to say No Thank You. Multiple times. Just because we met some kind of financial criteria didn’t mean we couldn’t afford to pack a lunch from home. I even had them tell me one year that I was *required* to fill it out. Hmmmm…I don’t think so.

      • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

        A lot of the federal programs for schools are based on the proportion of free and reduced lunches the school needs. So if you need some title 1 help, basic reading and math help, you may not get the funding because you don’t have enough kids getting the free lunch.

        It’s crazy. What does the one have to do with the other. But that’s the government for you.

        But that’s why the school is so anxious to get everyone signed up.

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  • badlands4

    Rob, I think you did the right thing by not saying something. I tried to find the article I read many years ago but couldn’t. I was an article, really more of a letter, about a woman on food stamps. I have never forgotten it because she was relating how she spent quite a tidy sum on a bakery birthday cake for her son. She was called out by the woman behind her. Turns out her son was dying and this would be his last birthday and she wanted to get him his first and only “fancy” cake.

    I know there is one charity, and it might be the Salvation Army, who hands out checks to families so they can purchase gifts vs being give a gift by the charity, so at Christmas time I would really hesitate to say anything regardless of the gift purchase, even though I have been irritated myself when I notice some of the things I have seen in people’s carts who then pull out their SNAP card to pay for it; things that I can’t afford to purchase.

    Remember the Salon or Atlantic article about the young adults who got on food stamps and bragged at what were able to purchase; organic, free range, Whole Foods stuff? Now that is infuriating and I would have probably said something then, if for no other reason than their absolute arrogance and pride in taking what is supposed to be a hand up for our neediest citizens and gleefully shopping at Whole Foods.

  • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

    I use food stamps. I am on disability and, also, have Medicare and Medicaid (because of my extremely low income).

    When one, or more of the people that I know, know that I am going shopping somewhere that they want things, they will quite frequently give me money and a list of things that they would like me to get.

    Of course I say yes. The majority of them are not mobile. So I go shopping for them.

    Does this mean that I am buying things for myself, or for presents, that I can’t afford? No, it doesn’t. And YOU don’t have the right to assume that I am without any other proof.

    YOU don’t get a say in what other people buy, including poor people. YOU don’t have the right to have ANY say in what anyone other than yourself buys, even the poor.

    Grow up, deal with it and move on.

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