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Careful there Whistler. You’re coming dangerously close to “hate speech”.

No, but seriously - Most people can’t be trusted, so we should have laws against sword ownership, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

Meanwhile the crime rate in Jolly Old England has become worse than in the US.

Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control, but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are “just statistics.”

Don’t you know anything about double-think?

From the same web site:
police-recorded murders totaled 19,650 in the United States and 681 in England
police-recorded rapes totaled 95,770 in the United States and 5,759 in England
police-recorded robberies totaled 537,050 in the United States and 74,035 in England
police-recorded assaults totaled 1,029,810 in the United States and 228,636 in England
police-recorded burglaries totaled 2,501,500 in the United States and 1,164,583 in England
police-recorded motor vehicle thefts totaled 1,395,200 in the United States and 493,489 in England.

ellinas you’re such a phoney.  First of all the US has FIVE TIMES THE POPULATION of the United Kingdom.

Here’s some more information from the source on the crime trends in the US and disarmed England:

Comparing 1981 crime rates from victim surveys to rates for 1995 (the latest year that U.S. and English surveys have in common), the rate of victimization from --

* robbery rose 81% in England (4.2 per 1,000 population rising to 7.6), but fell 28% in the United States (7.4 dropping to 5.3) (figure 1)
* assault rose 53% in England (13.1 rising to 20.0), but declined 27% in the United States (12.0 dropping to 8.8) (figure 2)
* burglary doubled in England (40.9 per 1,000 households rising to 82.9), but was cut in half in the United States (105.9 declining to 47.5) (figure 3)
* motor vehicle theft rose 51% in England (15.6 rising to 23.6), but stayed virtually unchanged in the United States (10.6 in 1981, 10.8 in 1995) (figure 4).

As a result of different crime trends in the two countries --

* the U.S. victim survey rate for robbery was nearly double England’s in 1981, but in 1995 the English robbery survey rate was 1.4 times America’s (figure 1)
* the English victim survey rate for assault was slightly higher than America’s in 1981, but in 1995 the English assault survey rate was more than double America’s (figure 2)
* the U.S. victim survey rate for burglary was more than double England’s in 1981, but in 1995 the English burglary survey rate was nearly double America’s (figure 3)
* the English victim survey rate for motor vehicle theft was 1.5 times America’s in 1981, but in 1995 the English survey rate for vehicle theft was more than double America’s (figure 4).

So we had more crime in the US in 1981.  Since then the crime rate in the UK has been climbing while ours has been declining.

I’m glad that you’re in favor of crime growing and not declining.

[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

ellinas said, police-recorded burglaries totaled 2,501,500 in the United States and 1,164,583 in England
police-recorded motor vehicle thefts totaled 1,395,200 in the United States and 493,489 in England.

Wow. England has an incredibly high theft rate.

Why did you bring those figures up? Why didn’t you highlight the fact that violent crime has been on a steady decline in the U.S. while, at the same time, steadily climbing in England? Why did you just give the crime numbers without explaining that England has about one fifth of the population?

I think we can guess why.

the US has FIVE TIMES THE POPULATION of the United Kingdom.

I would have said SIX…

Excuse me, you were saying?

Proof, CIA World Factbook says 60 Million.

By the way a few years ago I read that you can’t get a gun in England unless you lived in Northern Ireland.  Apparently they thought that guns can reduce crime in some situations.  I don’t know if that’s still the case.

[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Proof said, I would have said SIX…

Dude, England and the U.S.. It’s almost exactly five.

ellinas and michael moore must share a statistician.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Dude, England and the U.S.. It’s almost exactly five.

Last time I shoot from the hip!

Excuse me, you were saying?

Homicides per 100,000
USA - 5.9
England - 1.62

Of course we have the highest prison population of 2 million or 740 per 100,000, UK 124

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Homicides per 100,000
USA - 5.9
England - 1.62

What’s the trend?  We’ve always been a fairly high crime (including murder)country, but I think the trend is somewhat favorable for the US as compared to the UK.

If you’re referring to the gun ownership rate, I’d counter that in ND we own more guns than average but have a lower murder rate than the UK.

[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Ok
Here’s one for you. Vermont - with the most lenient gun laws in the country that regularly earn them an F- from those assholes who grade gun laws without concern for homicide rates; where one can carry a loaded, concealed, unregistered weapon to one’s hearts content; where you can buy guns out of the newspaper classifieds; regularly has a single digit number of homicides and has a population approaching 700,000.

That alone should shut all the gun-banning kooks up once and for all… let alone the faux samurai sword-banners…

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Vermont has a population density of 65 per sq. mi.
ND 9.3 per sq. mi.
Here in NH it’s 137. The closer to the Mass (809psm) border the higher the crime rate and that’s when the gun control nuts come out. I live outside Concord and we still leave keys in cars doors unlocked but travel 15 miles south and whole other story.
I personally don’t care for guns, but I never want the right to own one taken away from me either. Not all lefties are gun control freaks.
Although if I lived in DC, LA or NYC I may see things in a different perspective. Especially on a hot summer nite when tempers tend to rise.

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Although if I lived in DC, LA or NYC I may see things in a different perspective.

Why would you have a different perspective? Handguns are banned in Washington D.C., yet they’ll sometimes carry the title of “handgun murder capital of America”. Are you under the impression that criminals follow laws or something?

The city of Chicago is another one that will sometimes carry the title of “handgun murder capital of America”. Not surprisingly, handguns are banned there as well.

lik they are banned in nyc, la, and boston too. not in miami though.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Theres no doubt criminals have and always will carry handguns, but IMO in heavy populated areas gun control is needed or you may have a scene from the old west where disagreements are settled by the quickest draw.
Build more prisons?
Tougher laws for illegal handguns?

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Thats really stupid Mark, John Lotts study showed that when people were able to legally defend themselves crime goes down.

People are shooting each other in cities where guns are illegal. 

By the way, there was no wild west, that’s an invention of Hollywood.

[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

TW

By the way, there was no wild west, that’s an invention of Hollywood.

Oh great....no more Deadwood for me....it seemed so real. Back to Sopranos I guess....wait...is that fake too...noooooooo

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Reminds me of an interview of Tom Clancy that I read.  (Playboy?)

In The Hunt for Red October he gave the Russians a fictional silent drive for their sub.  Clancy said he was told that a Congressman called up the Pentagon demanding to know why the Russians developed one first.

[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Back to Sopranos I guess....wait...is that fake too...noooooooo

No. They’re real. They live in Federal Hill, RI and not NJ though.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

I called this one 10 years ago.

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Even I was surprised at how out of control crime became after the few remaining guns were confiscated.

[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Quinn’s 1st law in action! Leftists/liberals always generate the exact opposite effect of their stated intent.

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ellinas you’re such a phoney.  First of all the US has FIVE TIMES THE POPULATION of the United Kingdom.
The Whistler on March 6, 2007 at 07:42 pm

I thought everyone knew that the US population is FIVE TIMES or MORE than the UK.
Why should I point out the obvious?
I never claimed that the subjects of Queen Betty II were peacefull. As far as weapons are concerned my views are very liberal. All law abiding citizens should be able to own weapons to their hearts content. And I realy mean this. Knovk youself out.
As for me, I collect WWI and WWII rifles. It is fun shooting them. My favorite is the M1 Garand.

ellinas: I also favor a .30 caliber weapon.

The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

My Garand is a piece work chambered in 7.62 NATO, hell of a lot cheaper to feed!

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And my sword is 412 years old, so it would fall under “collectable” category.

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