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So is it a stretch to assume that moveon.org and the other left wing groups are on board with this misrepresentation of the facts. Shamefull…

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The worst aspect of the Lancet scandal is that they hid the fact that Soros money funded them. Researchers need cash to thrive and survive and so they follow one simple scientific principle when doing research: Never bite the hand that feeds you.
Thats how we got all the global warming propaganda crap from ‘funded’ researchers.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Soros’ involvement with this, and other, biased studies and “journalistic” reports was reported on as early as 2005. No one should take as legitimate any thing connected to Soros or any of his employees.

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2hotel9: You are 100% right! However, the difficulty is that Soros uses numerous legitimate sounding ‘front’ groups to funnel his money and his message. Hence, it is difficult to ferret out these fronts; the number and names of which are constantly changed by Soros’ lawyers.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

ahhh so only 150,000 people are dead + 3000+ US troops.  Oh yea, and 1 trillion dollars down the drain.  Must be worth it eh? Iraq is a place of democracy and tranquility right?  War pigs march on!

The interesting statistic is over the 20 year period after the invasion would more Iraqi’s die from Saddam then from the fighting.

By far this is the best result for the Iraqi’s, painful as it is.

Of course the left is going to lie about it because they are liars.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Chicken: You are soooo right. We should just ignore 9/11, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the Taliban, the USS COLE incident, the torture, beheadings, kidnapping, bombing of innocent civilians in Spain, Indonesia and Great Britain and other atrocities too numerous to list here. Given the level of your brilliant thinking, you and Neville Chamberlain would have hit it off in minutes.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets, why aren’t you over in Iraq now then fighting for those things that you listed to be so important?

only 150,000 people are dead + 3000+ US troops.  Oh yea, and 1 trillion dollars down the drain.  Must be worth it eh? Iraq is a place of democracy and tranquility right?  War pigs march on!

(1) Having family that were fighting in Iraq and two that are there now, I resent the “war pigs” comment and while I defend your right to free speech, I think a strong punch to your big, traitorous mouth would help you control your negative impulses.

(2) Liberty always requires the blood of its soldiers and innocent civilians and they are always costly financially. Thus it has always been and always will be in war. When a people are unwilling to pay that price they no longer deserve the fruits of liberty.

(3) Like most on the Left, you refuse to acknowledge the significant military and political victories we have enjoyed in Iraq. Why? Because like most on the Left you placed your bets on an American loss in Iraq and thereby in the global war against murderous Islamic Terrorism, in your insatiable lust for political power for your socialist pals.

Granted Iraq has not always been smooth, it has been quite untidy, but all war is thus, it is the nature of the beast. FDR and Lincoln lost many, many, many times more military and civilian lives in wars they presided over and yet like Bush they never relented and we won the victory. The problem is not the difficulties and costs of the war in Iraq for you, it is because you cannot stomach the idea that Bush has been a strong, victorious Commander-In-Chief.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th.

President Bush
September 17, 2003

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Chicken: Wow! More brilliant thinking! At my age, I suspect the military would not welcome my presence. Besides which, what does my military record have to do with your naive assertion that our efforts in the Middle East are a waste?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

sayanythingchickenhawks:

pparets, why aren’t you over in Iraq now then fighting for those things that you listed to be so important?

Have you ever noticed that the term and/or idea of ‘chickenhawks’ are always advanced by small minded, Leftist Chickenshits?

Many of us fought in other wars (Vietnam for me), including Gulf War-I. Many of us have loved ones fighting there now (I do!). Many of us are working in military support work here in the USA. Many of us for medical reasons or age (me) cannot fight there. If everyone you attacked were truly chickenhawks, would that make the war any less justified?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

This,"ahhh so only 150,000 people are dead + 3000+ US troops.  Oh yea, and 1 trillion dollars down the drain.  Must be worth it eh? Iraq is a place of democracy and tranquility right?  War pigs march on!
sayanythingchickenhawks on January 13, 2008 at 12:18 pm “ is what George Soros’ money buys. He must be so proud.

chix, I been and done. What have you been and done?

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Chicken: You are soooo right. We should just ignore 9/11, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the Taliban, the USS COLE incident, the torture, beheadings, kidnapping, bombing of innocent civilians in Spain, Indonesia and Great Britain and other atrocities too numerous to list here.

It is interesting how a debate exclusively about IRAQ suddenly becomes a debate about a number of other things when there is no other valid rebuttal. If we had not invaded Iraq, we would be in a far better position to fight the real war on terror. Instead, we are bogged down in an endless catastrophe while Bush’s buddy Bin Laden has been allowed not only to go free in an extremely unstable country, but to gain strength and plan for the next attack on our country. Bin Laden is a partner of the neocon fascists, and that is why they have had such a “hands-off” approach toward Bin Laden.

ahhh so only 150,000 people are dead

The vast majority killed by the Islamic terrorists.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Bin Laden is a partner of the neocon fascists, and that is why they have had such a “hands-off” approach toward Bin Laden.

Get ready for a tinfoil shortage!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Chicken: Wow! More brilliant thinking! At my age, I suspect the military would not welcome my presence. Besides which, what does my military record have to do with your naive assertion that our efforts in the Middle East are a waste?

So you let others die for you, while you sit at home and post on the internet.  You fit the position of a chicken hawk nicely. 

Neiman you were in Vietnam?  That’s not something I would say proudly.  That war was a great success huh?  How was raping and pillaging the Vietnamese villagers you war pig?

Socialist: When were you given authority to determine the parameters of this discussion? And, are you seriously going to suggest that all of these events are not linked? Well, of course you are! I keep forgetting that leftists try to limit the debate to their ‘facts’ only. [Brings to mind the ‘fairness doctrine’ which you socialists are currently whining about in an effort to stifle debate.] In any case, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Chicken: Your baiting is so utterly transparent. Go play your X-box and leave this discussion to people who understand the world as it really is.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

So you let others die for you, while you sit at home and post on the internet.  You fit the position of a chicken hawk nicely.

In this country, all are free to speak about any subject, with no central authority deciding whether they are qualified or not.  Good to see you are on the side of the fascists, chicken.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

ahhh so only 150,000 people are dead + 3000+ US troops

More would have died had Saddam still been in power.  We’ve saved lives by invading Iraq.

And then there’s the question of who those 150,000 deaths should be attributed to.  We Americans, who are fighting in Iraq for self-rule and freedom?  Or the terrorists who are fighting to turn Iraq into a safe haven for extremist Islamic fascists?

If the terrorists would stop fighting, there’d be peace in Iraq.  If we stop fighting, there’s still going to be war there.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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If the terrorists would stop fighting, there’d be peace in Iraq. If we stop fighting, there’s still going to be war there.

Very well put, Rob.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Neiman you were in Vietnam?  That’s not something I would say proudly.  That war was a great success huh?  How was raping and pillaging the Vietnamese villagers you war pig?

(1) Yes, I am proud of my experiences in Vietnam as is my brother, brother-in-law, father-in-law and many others I know. I am only ashamed that the liberals in this country stopped us from winning and leaving the South Vietnamese to live in liberty.

(2) The raping and pillaging comments are John Kerry lies, that paper hero that was exposed for his lies and cowardice. In every war there are a few, damn few, that behave like criminals and some crimes were committed, just like at home. But, virtually the entire military in every war for this country has fought with valor and honor and are true American heroes. My nephew and grandson are in Iraq today and I have paid a big personal price for that war.

Oh, by the way what have you ever done to defend liberty? Have you ever served in military uniform at all? Have you ever been a fire fighter or police officer or done anything at all that placed your life at risk to defend other human beings. I served in the military, right after Vietnam I was a police officer for two years, was one of this countries first paranedics for three years and I often risked and I nearly lost my life in every one of those occupations. Or, is your best weapon your big mouth?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Have you ever noticed that the term and/or idea of ‘chickenhawks’ are always advanced by small minded, Leftist Chickenshits?

Right on the money Neiman.

""That’s the problem with you lefties, you’re not willing to get your hands dirty. I’d suggest you roll up your sleeves.”

-Jack Bauer

Socialist - Instead, we are bogged down in an endless catastrophe while Bush’s buddy Bin Laden...

Bin Laden is your buddy!/Socialist

Your rhetoric is mindless, Mr. Illegal Undertaker who likes to bury human bodies underneath powerline right of ways.

The troll who likes to change his name all the time said, Oh yea, and 1 trillion dollars down the drain.  Must be worth it eh?

Fourth biggest military fell in three weeks, dictator dead, his sons dead, thousands upon thousands of the worst Islamic nutballs dead, successful national election after successful national election for the Iraqis, Iraqis in control of their own country’s destiny for the first time in their lives, and a complete destabilization of the business as usual in the Middle East.

Yeah, I’d say it’s worth it.

What do you say? Besides, “war pigs”, of course. Do you have anything of substance to add? Well if you did, you probably would have said it by now.

It is interesting how a debate exclusively about IRAQ suddenly becomes a debate about a number of other things when there is no other valid rebuttal. If we had not invaded Iraq, we would be in a far better position to fight the real war on terror. Instead, we are bogged down in an endless catastrophe while Bush’s buddy Bin Laden has been allowed not only to go free in an extremely unstable country, but to gain strength and plan for the next attack on our country. Bin Laden is a partner of the neocon fascists, and that is why they have had such a “hands-off” approach toward Bin Laden.

Anyone who says that Iraq is distracting us from fighting the “real war on terror” is an imbecile. Our enemy in the WoT is al queda. The enemy in Iraq is...al Queda. Iraq is the primary front in the WoT, and our enemies know this.
Iraq has become a disaster for al Queda, because, for the first time, Americans aren’t running away after they start shooting. They’re losing their top guys and even the various pro-jihadi tribes are getting tired of bloodshed and are siding with the coalition. Even their propaganda is falling on deaf ears. This has been a major set back to them.

And as for Osama. Despite the constant leftist drumbeat, Osama bin Ladin is not that important. He didn’t fund, plan, execute, supply, coordinate, etc the 9/11 attacks. His hands weren’t personally on the project. Other from being able to rally the jihad monkeys, he doesn’t play that much of a role. It might be a shock to AQ if we took him out...but Zawahiri would soon take over. On the other hand. Saddam was a huge financier of terror, and al Queda. He provided supplies, training, and money to terrorists. Without countries like Iraq supplying them, 9/11 would never have happened. Saddam can be easier blamed for 9/11 than can OBL.

So you let others die for you, while you sit at home and post on the internet.  You fit the position of a chicken hawk nicely. 
Neiman you were in Vietnam?  That’s not something I would say proudly.  That war was a great success huh?  How was raping and pillaging the Vietnamese villagers you war pig?

Sayanything Chickenhawk,

What a douchebag. If people haven’t served, they can’t talk. If they HAVE served, they’re bastards who don’t deserve to talk…

I tell you what coward, I’m gonna take a page out of the liberal play book (if you’re not a woman you can’t criticize one who’s had an abortion). If you haven’t served, you don’t get to criticize others military service.

These leftists are soo behind the times.  Their fellow fascist Osama bin Laden has already apologized to the Iraqi people for trying to murder them into submission.  Inherent in that apology was acknowledgement of responsibility.

Saddam can be easier blamed for 9/11 than can OBL.

How insane do you have to be to actually believe that? It goes against all the facts, all the findings from the 9/11 Commission, against everything we have been told, even by the smirking chimp himself. But I guess ideological madness trumps truth.

The enemy in Iraq is...al Queda. Iraq is the primary front in the WoT, and our enemies know this.

And why is Al-Qaida in Iraq? Because we invaded it, and created a haven for them that did not exist under Saddam. Why is it called the primary front on the war on terror? Because Bush and his neofascist partners in crime made it that way.

But it’s all good. The Republicans need another terrorist attack for political gain and they will get one by the treasonous act of leaving Bin Laden and Al-Qaida to thrive in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Socialist: Listen to this, and know how your handlers have lied to you:

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_saddam_al_qaeda_connection/

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

And why is Al-Qaida in Iraq? Because we invaded it, and created a haven for them that did not exist under Saddam. Why is it called the primary front on the war on terror? Because Bush and his neofascist partners in crime made it that way.

Would you rather us wait for them to fight our civilian population in the U.S.?  Or, would you rather set up a situation where AQ is enraged to the point where they rush to ‘drive out the invader’?  In doing so, the Jihadists run headlong into out military where we can kill them.  The alternative is to sit in Afghanistan and hunt for a man who is nothing but a financier.  (A man who is hiding in another country).  Meanwhile, AQ will be sending their soldiers to the West to wage war on us.

I would rather our military fight and die killing Jihadis, than our civilian population be put in a position where they have to do it.  A military is trained to fight, and willing to die if necessary. Our civilian population is neither.

BTW, I am a Combat Medic in the U.S. Army, so don’t feed me any of that narcissistic ‘you haven’t served’ crap.  Why don’t you sign up and show that you are willing to serve something greater than yourself?

Sluggo: I hope you are not wearing that uniform in the field? It will clash with camouflauge! Otherwise, I agree with and applaud your comments!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

If you haven’t served, you don’t get to criticize others military service.—Kenny

Where is the logic in that? Isn’t that like saying: “If you haven’t raped, you don’t get to criticize other’s raping”?

Participants in an illegal invasion are war criminals.  Anyone who served in Vietnam is therefore a war criminal. It’s very simple.

Same goes with Iraq (and Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, ...).

Also, there was a study released last year that estimated Iraqi casualties to be over 1,000,000 . There is no “consensus” like Rob’s link claims. The war-crime apologists simply use the mean of the lowest numbers they can find.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Soros Greek for Khrushchev with lots of American dollars?

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Where is the logic in that?

I believe the point is that there is none.

Also, there was a study released last year that estimated Iraqi casualties to be over 1,000,000.

Lefties lie; it’s all they have.  Keep on drinking that propaganda KoolAid, AV.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

How insane do you have to be to actually believe that? It goes against all the facts, all the findings from the 9/11 Commission, against everything we have been told, even by the smirking chimp himself. But I guess ideological madness trumps truth.

There’s no “ideological madness”, just simple truth. You’re crying about us not catching OBL, who was not involved in any meaningful way in 9/11. Moussaui planned it. The 19 carried it out. Zawahiri gave it the OK, and simply told OBL about it.
Saddam funded and trained al Queda operatives.

Does this mean that Saddam planned or carried out 9/11. No, but neither did Osama. But he was involved with the group. And from a purely logical standpoint, one can blame Saddam just as much as Osama.

And why is Al-Qaida in Iraq? Because we invaded it, and created a haven for them that did not exist under Saddam. Why is it called the primary front on the war on terror? Because Bush and his neofascist partners in crime made it that way.

Such horsecrap. Saddam harbored Yasin.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-09-17-iraq-wtc_x.htm

Even Christopher Hitchens shoots this nonsense down:
http://www.slate.com/id/2102723

“And it was after, and not before, the 9/11 attacks that Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war. “

Given Saddam’s open support for jihadists and his known training and financing of them...what do you have to support this fantasy of yours beyond your own wishful thinking?

Furthermore socialist, you cannot even be coherent.

You say the war is a distraction against fighting al Quida, yet you admit we’re fighting....AL QUIDA. That’s like saying that boxing Fraiser is a distraction from boxing Fraiser. It’s foolish beyond belief.

Where is the logic in that? Isn’t that like saying: “If you haven’t raped, you don’t get to criticize other’s raping”?

Someone’s a little slow. But you’re a leftist, so I expect nothing less.

Participants in an illegal invasion are war criminals.  Anyone who served in Vietnam is therefore a war criminal. It’s very simple.

Same goes with Iraq (and Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, ...).

Damnit, another stupid anti-war “historian”. Except none of those were illegal invasions. In Vietnam we were asked by teh French and South Vietnamese to intervene. In Iraq we just followed through when Saddam ignored the terms of the ceasefire. Afghanistan was a response to violence against us.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Also, there was a study released last year that estimated Iraqi casualties to be over 1,000,000 . There is no “consensus” like Rob’s link claims. The war-crime apologists simply use the mean of the lowest numbers they can find.

Yea, there’s a consensus.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org (80-88 thousand)

This is an anti-war site that strives to have an accurate up to the minute counter.

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5658714&nav=menu36_3 (150k)

A much higher number, but still 1/4th what was claimed YEARS ago.

Our estimates are around 120k. So, if we simply wished to make it seem as low as possible...we’d use the Iraq Body Count number. Oddly enough, the anti-war estimate is the lowest..... Hmmmmm.

So, you’re full of crap.

Ain’t this just so special! AV:TheFuckingRetard takes out valuable time from its day of defending the socialist pedophile Hugo Chavez to lecture real human beings about how we should submit to terrorists simply because it says so. Then we have socialist, who is lecturing real human beings that we should submit to terrorists simply because it says so. And lets us not forget chix! Another teenybopper who lectures to us real human beings that we should submit to terrorists simply because it says so.

Here is a clue, children. You have the right to spew your anti-human, anti-American crap because men and women like us simply provide it for you. And if you insist, we can strip you of those rights. We are, in point of fact, the humans with the guns.

Just a point of debate you stupid fucks might want to ponder.

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Anarchist Vegetarian:

Also, there was a study released last year that estimated Iraqi casualties to be over 1,000,000 .

That’s the Lancet study.

The same one where there is now suspicion of fraud.  The same one that was partly funded by an anti-war activist, and whose funding was not disclosed by the researchers.

Participants in an illegal invasion are war criminals.  Anyone who served in Vietnam is therefore a war criminal. It’s very simple.

LMAO.  You are a laugh a minute.

Also, there was a study released last year that estimated Iraqi casualties to be over 1,000,000 .

Yeah. And I just read somewhere that a trillion Iraqis have been killed in the war and that all good collectivists are going over there to serve as further fodder. See ya retard.

""That’s the problem with you lefties, you’re not willing to get your hands dirty. I’d suggest you roll up your sleeves.”

-Jack Bauer

Calling soldiers who served in Iraq, ‘war criminals’, diminishes from what real War Criminals are.  It is a logical failing of the moral relativists to apply extreme labels to things they dislike in order to garner an emotional response for political power. 

ex: They would insist mother Teresa is a fascist, in order to delegitimize the Roman Catholic Church.  What this does is detract from the real horrors of fascism.  That way, when fascism rears it’s head, the moral relativist, can dismiss it as harmless.  Afterall, Mother Teresa was harmless.

It is another way for them to rewrite history.  They are using Hegel’s Dialectic as a weapon against the West.  It is meant to disarm us, and weaken our ability to sustain a conflict.  It is a highly effective strategy that has been adopted by Islamist supporters as well.

Hegel’s Dialectic works like this. 
Thesis The Left makes an accusation: “You are an Islamophobe!”
Antithesis. The offender: “No I am Not!”
Synthesis. Said by the American to the Leftist: “And to prove I am not an Islamophobe, I will not target Muslims in Anti-terror sweeps.”

In otherwords, we become our own corruptors.

Once you understand their tactics, it is easy to defend against them.

Neiman said: Many of us fought in other wars (Vietnam for me), including Gulf War-I. Many of us have loved ones fighting there now (I do!). Many of us are working in military support work here in the USA. Many of us for medical reasons or age (me) cannot fight there. If everyone you attacked were truly chickenhawks, would that make the war any less justified?

That was well said.

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I love this:

And why is Al-Qaida in Iraq?

First and foremost and most obviously (unless you are a drooling imbicile) - They CHOSE TO BE.  They either chose to go to Iraq and fight the USA or they joined forces with the foreign AQ fighters who arrived.  As to why each of them chose this path.  Above all else, they are followers.  Their leaders told them that’s where the fight was.  Their leaders wanted to defeat the United States in Iraq with the aid of the western press (whose own motivation was to create a Viet Nam redux) and set up an AQ dominated muslim caliphate and base of operations (similar to the one the US took away from them in Afghanistan) they could use to expand their holy war throughout the mid-east and the rest of the world.  Anyone paying attention to what AQ’s leaders have been saying before and during our struggle with them in Iraq and Afghanistan knows this.  It’s only obtuse virulently pig-headed peacenik Bush-hating communist leftists that deny the true nature and intentions of our enemy with undying fervor.