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Wednesday, January 31, 2007

Discount On Marriage Licenses If You Go To Pre-Marriage Counseling?

This is an interesting idea…

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - Couples who undergo premarital counseling in North Dakota may qualify for a $25 discount on their marriage licenses, paid for by federal welfare grants.

Sen. Dick Dever, R-Bismarck, said the legislation would provide a worthwhile incentive for couples to talk over their marriage decision with a counselor beforehand.

“The state does take an interest in the family when it licenses marriage and when it presides at the breakup of those marriages,” Dever said. “This bill does not require anything. It simply encourages premarital counseling.”

A North Dakota marriage license normally costs $65. The sum includes a mandatory $35 fee for a domestic violence prevention fund. Counties may tack on up to $30, and most do.

The legislation says couples who undergo at least four hours of premarital counseling may obtain a voucher from the state Department of Human Services, good for a $25 discount on the cost of a marriage license. Counties then may get their money back from the state agency, the bill says.

The Department of Human Services estimates the program will cost $110,000 over two years. Sen. Carolyn Nelson, D-Fargo, said the agency has indicated the money will come out of federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families grants. TANF provides cash assistance to poor families.

I think the intentions here are good.  It’s the right idea.  Marriage counseling is something a lot of people need before committing themselves to one another, not to mention children.  But I guess I’m not entirely understanding how it would work.

Who pays for the four hours of counseling?  If applicants for the license are paying for it the discount isn’t much of an incentive, though I suspect the state is probably picking up the tab.  But even so, that’s still four hours out of two people’s lives for just $25.

And who, really, is going to be making a decision about whether or not to get married based on only four hours of counseling?  The counseling can’t hurt, but given the cost of the program I’m not sure the meager amount of good it would do is worth it.

Divorce is a big problem in this country, and something needs to be done to address it (though I’m not sure the answer can come from government).  Regardless, this particular solution isn’t likely to provide much help.

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Rob...Does it have to be with a Psychologist the State chooses and OR approves of?…

Zsa Zsa on January 31, 2007 at 08:25 pm

The Department of Human Services??? I am not sure I would care to be counseled by that particular group of individuals?

Zsa Zsa on January 31, 2007 at 08:31 pm

The counseling lobby must be pushing this to drum up more business for their members.

Kevin on January 31, 2007 at 08:40 pm

Marriage counceling probably wouldn’t hurt. BUT personally I think staying married to the same person all your life takes something else. I just don’t know how to describe it??? I am not even sure it has a name?

Zsa Zsa on January 31, 2007 at 08:47 pm
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Counseling added a certain gravity to the whole shebang, I thought, but I doubt it has statistically significant effects on divorce rates.

jpe on January 31, 2007 at 08:51 pm
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I agree, jpe.  I think it could maybe help some couples, but I’m not sure it’s worth what it will cost the taxpayers.

And like our Human Services department needs to get any larger.


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Rob on January 31, 2007 at 08:57 pm

A Republican proposal to mandate “counseling” to be paid for with tax money.

There are so many things wrong with that.

likwidshoe on February 1, 2007 at 01:28 am

BUT personally I think staying married to the same person all your life takes something else. I just don’t know how to describe it??? I am not even sure it has a name?

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The Whistler on February 1, 2007 at 05:43 am

A sense of humor is for sure! I think my husband is so funny. BUT I think there is another factor that I can’t quite explain… I have only been married 29 years to the same guy so I still have awhile to go before I can actually be called an expert.

Zsa Zsa on February 1, 2007 at 05:55 am
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This 4 hours of counseling could do 2 things:  Teach some basic communication skills and set the stage for using similar sessions during the marriage to get help in rocky times.  It is not a cure all, but a few basic skills can make huge difference, and the willingness to use services like this later means a better chance for ongoing success.  Might help!

goprairie on February 1, 2007 at 08:06 am

I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves with the pre-marriage counseling. Counseling should be reserved for later years AFTER you’ve been emotionally tramatized and psychologically crushed, not before.

It’s a waste of perfectly good angst.


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Pilgrim on February 1, 2007 at 09:50 am

Good thinking, Pilgrim ...HA!

Zsa Zsa on February 1, 2007 at 09:56 am

Heh, this law is in GA too and has been there at least a year, I believe. Someone I know met a man online, and then they went to church and got the priest to sign the paper that they had the 4 hours of counseling- even though they were never counseled in the first place. So you could get the $25 off without having to pay for any honest counseling...(or even if it was free, they did it to save time and money)

student student on February 1, 2007 at 11:47 am
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It’s good to hear one can get a cheaper marriage license. I think this offer was created to assure marriages and lower the divorce rate. If you pass counseling it means you will overcome future problems. If not, then maybe marriage is not the best option. Divorce lawyers must be pissed…

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