Did You Know That The Senate Refused To Outlaw Waterboarding In 2006?

And did you know that a 1994 criminal statute prohibiting torture specifically included war as an excuse to use it? Of course you didn’t, because the media doesn’t report those inconvenient truths and the liberal politicians now grandstanding on the issue certainly aren’t going to bring it up.
But Victoria Toensnig brings up those facts and more in the Wall Street Journal today. Her conclusion:

…now, safe in ivory towers eight years removed from 9/11, critics demand criminalization of the techniques and the prosecution or disbarment of the lawyers who advised the CIA. Contrary to columnist Frank Rich’s uninformed accusation in the New York Times that the lawyers “proposed using” the techniques, they did no such thing. They were asked to provide legal guidance on whether the CIA’s proposed methods violated the law.
Then there is Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, who declared that “waterboarding will almost certainly be deemed illegal if put under judicial scrutiny,” depending on which “of several possibly applicable legal standards” apply. Does he know the Senate rejected a bill in 2006 to make waterboarding illegal? That fact alone negates criminalization of the act. So quick to condemn, Mr. Robinson later replied to a TV interview question that he did not know how long sleep deprivation could go before it was “immoral.” It is “a nuance,” he said.
Yet the CIA asked those OLC lawyers to figure out exactly where that nuance stopped in the context of preventing another attack. There should be a rule that all persons proposing investigation, prosecution or disbarment must read the two memos and all underlying documents and then draft a dissenting analysis.

The problem with the debate over “torture” (I maintain that waterboarding is not, in fact, torture) in America today is that it stopped being about sound policy a long time ago. Instead, it has become a convenient emotional weapon to be used by liberals against the Bush administration and Republicans. These people care more about scoring political points than they do about national security.
Or, at least, in public they do. In private many of them such as Nancy Pelosi pragmatically embrace waterboarding as the sort of thing that sometimes needs to happen to save lives.

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  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    *Compliments to the Internets.

    – no-tax-free-just-the-facts Ellinas, noted PROVEN LYING MARXIST piece of shit…

    No link, LIAR?

    We’re supposed to believe that, or any other lie you spout, without a link?

    The little lying bitch must be ashamed of the source.

  • pparets

    That’s because, Dino, by 2006, and way before that, the DNC had decided to reverse course and make the war their chief weapon against the republicans and Bush in particular. And that’s why Pelosi has her tit in a wringer now and other dems are really, really quiet about investigating torture.

    http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_pelosi_paradox/

  • sayanything-4625

    The Japanese “Water Cure” or “Water Treatment”…

    “The so-called ‘water treatment’ was commonly used. The victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process.” [19]

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/PTO/IMTFE/IMTFE-8.html

    From the International Military Tribunal for the Far East Chapter 9, Section 1059

    ou can’t blame the Dems for not being able to make it illegal while in the minority.

    I think he’s got ya here, Rob.

    What’s stopped them from 2007 til now?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Guess what lefties the Bush Administration will never be charged with War crimes like most of you want because they would have to put the Dem’s on trial as well because they are accomplices.

  • robert108

    Lying greek faggot: We haven’t missed your foul mouth, your lies or your threats of homo sexual assault.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    You really need to get that mind-reading kit into the shop for repairs, PP. You always seem to believe you know the motivation of others in past situations.

    No attempt to address the facts I presented either. How typical of you.

  • sayanything-4625
  • Mike

    NOT waterboarding those guys would have been immoral.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Well gosh darn PP that con blog is the gospel truth! But funny, it didn’t read the dem’s minds about pursuing torture in 2009.

    What you call undermining I call campaigning. All the stuff turned out to be true in the end anyway.

    You proved nothing except that a con blog says the dems were going to say that bush was pursuing an unecessary war and his economic plans were a mess. Both were TRUE.

    If more dems had the balls to go after bush then we wouldn’t be facing the economic tragedy brough on by bush and republican policies. 9/11 gave him plenty of cover which is how republicans picked up seats in the midterms, something highly unusual for the party in the White House. As I’ve said before, 9/11 was the absolute best thing to have ever happened to republicans. People were so freaked out they wanted to republicans to nuke the rest of the world. As it turned out, republicans abused their power by giving the financial sector the freedom (with Greenspan’s blessing) to fuck us all over.

    Now the people who voted republican out of fear get to lose their jobs and homes. GOOD. I hope they starve.

  • 2Hotel9

    You are the one that is angry and lies, why is that?

  • 2Hotel9

    Don’t know. Why are you an angry liar, e?

  • Dino2

    What a trite, useless platitude. It’s like hearing bush grunt out “Freedom good, no freedom bad”.

    Sex is good too until people starting screwing in the bushes. Food is nice too until you get to 500 pounds. Shopping can be a blast until you spend your way into poverty.

    The capitalism that has taken root in this conservative age spanning the last 30 years (I never said 50) is a virulent, dishonest and usory form that has led us to a very bad place.

    The people responsible should be brought up on charges and sent to rot in jail. But Alan Greenspan has lots of friends in Congress as do many of the Wall Street crooks.

  • pparets

    Here, Dino, just for you….

    Dems plan to undermine America to beat Bush
    By DOUG THOMPSON
    Jan 6, 2003, 19:21

    Democrats plan to undermine public confidence in President George W. Bush by challenging his credibility and raising doubts about America, sources within the party tell Capitol Hill Blue.

    A multi-pronged attack against Republicans and the President will focus not only on economic issues, but question American values, raise doubts about how this country is viewed by other nations and question the patriotism of Bush and his party.

    The extensive campaign, developed by senior Democratic consultants and party leaders, was launched last week with attacks on the Bush economic plan by Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Richard Gephardt.

    In coming weeks, Democratic elected officials will question the President’s intentions on the pending war with Iraq. Writers and broadcasters friendly to the Democratic cause have already been provided talking points suggesting the war is about oil, not terrorism.

    “The talking points were developed before the end of last year and sent out to operatives and friendly media,” one Democratic consultant confided. “No Democratic member of Congress will question the President’s patriotism openly but we will use the media and other surrogates to raise doubts.” Capitol Hill Blue obtained a copy of the talking points when the Democratic National Committee sent them to a news outlet recently acquired by CHB’s parent company. The talking points outline a strategy to raise public doubts of the President’s real intentions, including:

    – Saying the war is about oil and will be fought to benefit oil companies that have long supported Bush and the Republican party;

    – Claiming the Bush administration has “manufactured” evidence against Saddam Hussein and used that evidence to encourage Britain and other allies to join the American fight against Iraq;

    – Suggesting a wartime economy is the only way the administration can revive the country’s lagging economic situation.

    “It is clear that the current approval ratings of the administration are tied directly to strong American feelings toward traditional values,” the talking points say. “To counter this, doubt must be raised as to America’s true position within the world community and the true intent of the Bush administration in waging war.”

    Some Democrats admit privately they are uneasy with the party strategy to undermine American values in an attempt to get Bush.

    “My boss doesn’t want anything to do with it,” one senior Senate aide told Capitol Hill Blue on Monday. “You don’t undermine this country to win elections.”

    Others, however, are willing to try anything to put the White House and Congress back under Democratic control.

    “The real war isn’t in Iraq,” one Democratic consultant said. “It’s right here at home, at the ballot box in 2004.”

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/flashback-how-the-democrats-planned-to-undermine-bush

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    That’s more than a little different from what we did, and that terrorist-supporting piece of Marxist shit ignored it?

    Now why would that lying Greek bitch do that???

    Aswer the question you lying Marxist piece of shit. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE PART OF THE ARTICLE I POSTED, YOU LYING LITTLE GREEK BITCH?

  • sayanything-4625

    Greg seems to think that the dems could rule like dictators with a republican president.

    Whats your excuse for the last few months then Dino? If you could rush the stimulus through in a few days then they could have introduced a bill to ban waterboarding don’t you think?
    Oh, thats right, as I pointed out, Obama and the Justice Department have taken the EXACT stance that Bush had in their latest brief to the Sixth Circuit, hope and no change, who knew?

  • robert108

    Bat: In fact, the Dems rule, whenever they can. Republicans and conservatives actually govern.

  • sayanything-4625

    Um Dino, those provisions I wrote about in the Geneva Convention you keep ignoring were written in 1949. No one has moved anything. I am repeating words written 21 years before I was born.

  • sayanything-4625

    Waterboarding is it torture? Lets ask ATTY Gen Holder…

    When asked if waterboarding was torture when we waterboard US Navy SEALS Holder replied…

    No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them –

    So, we can waterboard US Forces to our hearts content.

    What is torture by US Statues?

    Torture is defined as “an extreme form of cruel and inhuman treatment and does not include lesser forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. . . . ” 8 C.F.R. § 1208.18(a)(2). Moreover, as has been explained by the Third Circuit, CAT requires “a showing of specific intent before the Court can make a finding that a petitioner will be tortured.” Pierre v. Attorney General, 528 F.3d 180, 189 (3d Cir. 2008) (en banc); see 8 C.F.R. § 1208.18(a)(5) (requiring that the act “be specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering”.

    So to be torture we must have a case of extremely cruel and inhuman treatment and it must be the intent of the torturer to be cruel and inhuman. Further the Third Circuit court held that

    (requiring that the act “be specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering”); Auguste v. Ridge, 395 F.3d 123, 139 (3d Cir. 2005) (“This is a ‘specific intent’ requirement and not a ‘general intent’ requirement” [citations omitted.] An applicant for CAT protection therefore must establish that “his prospective torturer will have the motive or purpose” to torture him.

    So by US law, to be torture, the person waterboarding a subject must specifically intend to waterboard that person as a form of torture. Since waterboarding is done regularly to our own forces it is not “cruel and inhuman” and by the specific intent requirement held forth by the Third Circuit court CIA agents are no performing waterboarding as a form of torture but as a type of interrogation then they do not have the specific intent required to classify waterboarding as torture.

    This is all a political gotcha game.

  • ellinas

    Don’t know. Why are you an angry liar, e?
    2Hotel9 on May 19, 2009 at 04:18 am

    Hello Mr 2H9! How are you?
    My question was directed at r180.

  • ellinas

    We didn’t, actually. Not for waterboarding specifically…… Rob on May 17, 2009 at 06:51 pm

    Yes we did actually:

    After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: “I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure.” He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. “Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning,” he replied, “just gasping between life and death.”

    Nielsen’s experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan’s military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

    In this case from the tribunal’s records, the victim was a prisoner in the Japanese-occupied Dutch East Indies:

    A towel was fixed under the chin and down over the face. Then many buckets of water were poured into the towel so that the water gradually reached the mouth and rising further eventually also the nostrils, which resulted in his becoming unconscious and collapsing like a person drowned. This procedure was sometimes repeated 5-6 times in succession.

    The United States (like Britain, Australia and other Allies) pursued lower-ranking Japanese war criminals in trials before their own tribunals.*

    *Compliments to the Internets.

  • ellinas

    Lying greek faggot: We haven’t missed your foul mouth, your lies or your threats of homo sexual assault.
    robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:08 pm

    R180. So much hatred……too many lies.
    Why?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    The target just moved again.

    The orginal contention: Congress didn’t outlaw waterboarding in 2006.

    Me: “Republicans controlled Congress and the White House.”

    New contention: Why haven’t they outlawed it since 2007?

    Me: “They tried but it was vetoed by bush.”

    New contention: Why haven’t they done it since January 20th?

    Me: “They introduced a bill to do that.”

    New contention: It doesn’t explicitly ban waterboarding. The prisoners a Gitmo aren’t covered by the rules.

    Me: “It demands adherence to a code that doesn’t include waterboarding.”

    New contention (predicted): The field manual doesn’t exclude waterboarding.

    Do you need something to split those hairs with?

    There’s a chance that you may be growing a frontal lobe. It’s primitive but there’s hope.

  • J.L.

    I like how Dino brings up McCains opposition to torture. Great. I`ll bring up Pelosi`s approval of it. So there. And the origional post talked of the Senate vote, not the House of Rep. vote.

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    Waterboarding is torture and criminal. We executed Japanese for doing it to US servicemen during WWII.

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    The part of the opinion page Ellinas chose to omit from his plagiarizing spree.

    We know that U.S. military tribunals and U.S. judges have examined certain types of water-based interrogation and found that they constituted torture. That’s a lesson worth learning. The study of law is, after all, largely the study of history. The law of war is no different. This history should be of value to those who seek to understand what the law is — as well as what it ought to be.

    Certain types, huh?

    They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.

    And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water.

    That’s more than a little different from what we did, and that terrorist-supporting piece of Marxist shit ignored it?

    Now why would that lying Greek bitch do that???

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Hey Woof they can issue all of the supeonas that want. They don’t mean a hill of beans in the USA. You guys can keep pushing this issue as well the fact remains that if the Republican administration is guilty so are the dems.

  • Dino2

    That’s the point Batshit. Some of the stems think that as soon as the dems got that one vote majority in 2007 they should have been able to reverse decades of destructive conservative policies in a few months.

    Even a dictator wouldn’t be able to achieve that.

  • robert108

    …decades of destructive conservative policies…

    Two more lies from dishonest little dino: conservative policies are constructive, in that they pay the bills for all the leftie wasteful spending and political payoffs, and there have never been “decades” of conservative policies, unfortunately. The lack of fiscal conservatism is why we are in the mess we’re in today, with Obama’s greed making things worse.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Keep moving the target every time I prove you false, Greg. It’s entertaining.

    Well what’s this? There’s a bill in Congress to do just what you’re requesting! But you don’t really want it to pass, do you?

    You know, sometimes legislative efforts take a back seat once the Congress is turned back on an issue and other, more important priorities come up like the Depression given us by the last administration.

    Make no mistake. You’re going to see huge changes in the way this country is run with, of course, some compromise with the savages on your side. You can continue chiding liberals that things don’t happen overnight but in the end you’ll be very disappointed with how things turn out.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    I think what is being missed here is the motivation of saying the Senate refused to outlaw it in 2006. Does Rob think the Senate was under democratic control in 2006?

    The democrats made strong efforts to outlaw waterboarding but those efforts were stymied by BUSH and THE REPUBLICANS.

    That’s the take-away message here.

  • robert108

    Uneducated little dino; like they always do when they are out of power, the Dems obstruct, delay and do as much damage to American prosperity as they can. Now that they are ruling with total power, they have destroyed a record amount of American wealth, and have established new records for deficit spending on wasteful social engineering schemes and political payoffs.

  • 2Hotel9

    Democrats support waterboarding, always have and always will. Just like the Democrat policy called “rendition”. Democrats thought up that practice and have been using it for years. Thank you William Jefferson Clinton and Teddi Kennedy!

  • Bat One

    That’s the point Batshit. Some of the stems think that as soon as the dems got that one vote majority in 2007 they should have been able to reverse decades of destructive conservative policies in a few months.

    Wow, Swish! A personal insult and an idiotic, prattle-filled assertion that you cannot possible support with facts and figures, all in one hackneyed retort.

    Free Market Capitalism IS The Best Path To Prosperity… as even the diminutive, motor-mouthed Robert Reich acknowledges.

  • 2Hotel9

    Yes, I did know this. And if you dig through the archives here you should be able to find where I pointed it out at the time. I believe both woofie and the late, unlamented dave both screeched&wailed; that it was a lie.

  • robert108

    You never “prove” anything, little dino. That takes facts, logic and cause/effect reasoning, combined with actual knowledge.
    You never have any of those.

  • Dino2

    Greg seems to think that the dems could rule like dictators with a republican president.

    Hey Einstein! Bush vetoed or threatened to veto the outlawing of waterboarding.

  • Bat One

    Greg seems to think that the dems could rule like dictators with a republican president.

    Swish,

    It probably comes as a surprise to you, but in the US those elected to positions of public service govern. They don’t rule as you have so often mis-stated.

  • robert108

    And you people care more about scoring political points than seeing the economy recover.

    Another lie from little dino; actually, we are hoping for a return to fiscal conservatism, so that the economy can recover. The way Obama is going, destroying a record amount of American wealth and incurring a record amount of debt, we will have a repeat of FDR’s eight years of stagnation and poverty.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I think what is being missed here is the motivation of saying the Senate refused to outlaw it in 2006. Does Rob think the Senate was under democratic control in 2006?
    The democrats made strong efforts to outlaw waterboarding but those efforts were stymied by BUSH and THE REPUBLICANS.
    That’s the take-away message here.

    Dino’s got a point here.

    You can’t blame the Dems for not being able to make it illegal while in the minority.

    I think he’s got ya here, Rob.

  • sayanything-4625

    Four months is overnight now? Who knew?

    Well what’s this? There’s a bill in Congress to do just what you’re requesting! But you don’t really want it to pass, do you?

    I read your bill, it doesn’t ban waterboarding. If they re-write FM2-22 to include waterboarding they will be good to go! I am glad to see this bill though. I grow weary of people talking about something being illegal when its clearly not. For the record, I do not want this bill to pass because I read FM2-22 and its a crock of shit.

    SEC. 2. UNIFORM STANDARDS FOR INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES APPLICABLE TO INDIVIDUALS UNDER CONTROL OR CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

    Section 1002 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (title X of Public Law 109-148; 10 U.S.C. 801 note; 119 Stat. 2739) and section 1402 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (title XIV of Public Law 109-163; 10 U.S.C. 801 note; 119 Stat. 3475) are amended to read as follows:

    ‘(a) In General- No person in the custody or under the effective control of the United States shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation not authorized by and listed in the United States Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations.

    ‘(b) Applicability- Subsection (a) shall not apply with respect to any person in the custody or under the effective control of the United States pursuant to a criminal law or immigration law of the United States.

    ‘(c) Construction- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect the rights under the United States Constitution of any person in the custody or under the physical jurisdiction of the United States.’.

  • Mike

    The terrorists were not waterboarded until losing consciousness, nor were they waterboarded in order to inflict suffering. The japs even ate the flesh of their captives…I wouldn’t give them the courtesy of making a comparison to the issue here.

    The partisan circus surrounding the waterboarding of these two terrorists ignores the reality that their captors faced a choice. As Sartre points out you can’t escape choice by not acting…that is in itself a choice. To have not resorted to more coercive means to illicit information that could save innocent lives would have been immoral, or cowardly if it was because you were afraid of a word, i.e. torture. What a bunch of pansies and opportunists on the left.

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    F’n Greek plagairist, here’s the link for your spew. Try giving credit to the author you stole the content from, Rob CLAIMS to ban plagiarists.

    See some of that other lying Marxists posts where I proved he was plagiarizing, Davinski, you know, the guy who still posts here…

    You and Davinski would be really good friends, if you aren’t already. Birds of a feather.

  • pparets

    Well, gosh darn, pinhead Dino, you obviously know nothing about CAPITOL HILL BLUE from which I posted the article.

    Here’s a sample of their other stuff:

    State Department Lie About Terrorism Levels Bolstered Bush Claims of Success
    The State Department acknowledged Thursday it was wrong in reporting terrorism declined worldwide last year, a finding used to boost one of President Bush’s chief foreign policy claims – success in countering terror.
    FUBAR Jun 11, 2004, 07:55

    It Was a Good Show But…
    Ostensibly, President Bush got what he wanted: a photogenic gathering of world leaders on his turf that, by making him look the statesman, could help his tough battle for re-election this November. But the harmony on display at the Group of Eight summit only covered so many cracks. On the future of Iraq and other vital issues, Bush and European leaders are still far apart.
    Bush Leagues Jun 11, 2004, 07:51

    George W. Bush Is No Ronald W. Reagan
    What I wonder now is whether the vaunted efforts of President George W. Bush to drape the mantle of Reaganism over his shoulders will work.
    Opinion Jun 11, 2004, 07:00

    How conservative does that sound to you?

    You need to grow up, Dino. If you’re going to ask for evidence, then STUDY it when it’s provided. Capitol Hill Blue, run by a group of retired journalists, reports the truth about every political sacred cow in Washington, left or right.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040612083633/www.capitolhillblue.com/

  • sayanything-4625

    Prove me wrong, please list the relevant Articles from the Geneva Convention that will prove the Guantanamo detainees are POW’s. Then you will prove me wrong. I’ve done a lot of research and posted my findings, you posted nothing. Show me the “International Law” that affords Geneva Convention protection to the detainees. Show me one government that has recognized Al Queda as a government. Show me the distinctive sign that the detainees wore in combat to distinguish themselves as combatants per the Geneva Convention. Show me their chain of command. Show me the relevant US Statute that bans waterboarding. Any of that will do! I haven’t moved a thing. This has been my stance from the moment I started talking about the detainees. You have never tried to refute me once.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Perhaps you could provide some details on the voting instead of parroting the WSJ Right Wing Opinion Page.

    Oh look. Here’s an interesting item. Looks like the republicans who held the power in 2006 by the way, didn’t outlaw waterboarding but the dems tried in 2007.

    House votes to outlaw CIA waterboarding

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Defying a White House veto threat, the U.S. House of Representatives voted on Thursday to outlaw harsh interrogation methods, such as simulated drowning, that the CIA has used against suspected terrorists.

    On a largely party line vote of 222-199, the Democratic-led House approved a measure to require intelligence agents to comply with the Army Field Manual, which bans torture in compliance with the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war.

    So what’s your point? That dems approved? Sorry, wrong answer.

    And then there’s this:

    McCain on Torture

    Republican presidential front-runner John McCain bluntly called waterboarding “torture and illegal” Wednesday morning, again challenging the Bush administration’s defense of a harsh interrogation tactic that makes prisoners think they are drowning.

    But later the same day, McCain cast a vote against Democratic-sponsored legislation supported by anti-torture advocates that sought to ban waterboarding and other coercive tactics by the CIA.

    The Senate vote put McCain (R-Ariz.) on the same side as President Bush, who plans to veto the waterboarding ban.

    —————

    These people care more about scoring political points than they do about national security.

    And you people care more about scoring political points than seeing the economy recover. You PRAY for bad news and celebrate the downturn out of bitterness that you don’t have the reins anymore.

  • 2Hotel9

    “The people responsible should be brought up on charges and sent to rot in jail.”

    dinothefakeassedlyinghomo is absolutely right!!! Every single person who has held elected office during the last 50 years needs their ass thrown in prison. Good catch, stupid slut.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    you didn’t refute rob’s article yet again

    a. One does not “refute” opinion pieces- they are not factual.

    b. I provided links to who did or did not try to outlaw waterboarding and why those attempts were defeated. (by bush veto and republicans)

  • sayanything-4625

    Oh Dino, if you would have read FM2-22 you would know that the way they define a POW would leave the current crop of inmates a Guantanamo without POW status. Don’t let that stop you from raving on. I’m tired of posting the Geneva Convention requirements for POW status so go read one of my posts on that or FM2-22 if you want to see what they are but the phrase members of a regularly constituted armed force are used as are carry their weapons openly with a distinctive recognizable sign that can be seen from a distance. Screw it, here they are, AGAIN.

    A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the
    following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy: 1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
    2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of
    organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or
    outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:
    (a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
    b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
    (c) That of carrying arms openly;
    (d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
    3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority
    not recognized by the Detaining Power. 4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members
    of labor units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall providethem for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

    If you want the Geneva Conventions protection you have to play by the rules.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    There is a big shock circus clown Dino2 chimed in for another post of course you didn’t refute rob’s article yet again.

  • andophiroxia

    Dino:

    …decades of destructive conservative policies…

    Dino again pulls “facts” from his ass. I have yet to see Dino actually say anything of a causal relation historically or economically in regards to support ANYTHING he says.

    So first it was 50, then it was 20-28, then it was 30. I guess he’ll make up another two-digit number which sounds “right” to him.

    Kenny said it best, the trolls never argue anything WITH the individual, it’s [insert person's name] and avatar – with the stereotypical conservative facade.

  • ellinas

    Hello Mr. Bullwinkle! Missed your foul mouth.
    Hope you are doing well.
    How is your heart today?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    We executed Japanese for doing it to US servicemen during WWII.

    We didn’t, actually. Not for waterboarding specifically but for the myriad of actual atrocities committed by the Japanes. Such as the Bataan death march, the starvation of POW’s, rape, pillaging, etc.

  • WOOFX

    Experienced,

    Baltasar Garzón, the crusading prosecutor who went after General Augusto Pinochet in the ’90s, will likely subpoena the Dirty Half Dozen within the next few weeks.

    When the six miscreants ignore their court dates (as they surely will), Spain will issue international arrest warrants enforceable in the 25 countries that are party to European extradition treaties.

    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/10-6

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