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Thursday, November 09, 2006

Did The Democrats Win The Election Or Did The Republicans Lose It

Liberals in this country are busy slapping each other on the back and congratulating themselves over the recent victories for the Democrats.  And rightfully so.  The people who espouse their ideology are in power now, and after over a decade of Republican rule that probably seems like a breath of fresh air.

But what bothers me is that a lot of people are calling this a victory for liberalism or Democrat ideas/principles.  I just don’t think it is.  I don’t think Democrats won this election, I think Republicans lost it and Democrats came into power by default.

Republicans lost 28 seats in the House to Democrats.  But how many of those seats did Democrats win because the Republican was corrupt or caught up in scandal?  Quite a lot of them, it turns out.  Here’s a list of Republicans who lost due to scandal:

  • J.D. Hayworth - One of the biggest recipients of Abramoff money in Congress.
  • Tom DeLay - Heavily involved in the Abramoff scandal, and resigned due to other scandals as well.  He didn’t run, but his name stayed on the ballot making his seat an easy pickup for Democrats.
  • Bob Ney - Also heavily involved in the Abramoff scandal.
  • Mark Foley - Resigned after it was revealed that he’d been having cybersex with teenaged Congressional pages, but his name stayed on the ballot.
  • Don Sherwood - Lost re-election after it came to light shortly before the election that he’d paid off a woman he’d been having an affair with so that she would not press charges against him for choking her.
  • John E. Sweeney - Lost re-election after a myriad of scandals, including accusations of domestic abuse from his wife and showing up drunk at a frat party.
  • Cut Weldon - Lost re-election after some shady lobbying deals between himself and his daughter were revealed.
  • Richard Pombo - Lost re-election due to connections with Jack Abramoff, as well as allegations of questionable campaign donations, misuse of official government resources and nepotism.
  • Sue Kelly - Lost re-election due in large part to claims by her opponent that she knew what Mark Foley was doing with teenaged pages but didn’t do anything to stop it.
  • Nancy Johnson - Lost re-election after being tied to the Jack Abramoff scandal by a heavy ad-blitz funded by MoveOn.org.
  • E. Clay Shaw Jr. - Tied in with Abramoff money through DeLay, money he refused to return despite Democrat calls to do so.
  • John Hostettler - Was somewhat tied to Abramoff money through DeLay, had a warrant issued for his arrest stemming from an incident where he was caught with a concealed weapon in an airport.
  • Jim Ryun - Accepted some $30,000 from Tom DeLay and didn’t return any of it.  Also suffered from accusations of having bought a townhouse from DeLay’s PAC group for less than market value.
  • Charlie Bass - Lost after refusing to return DeLay money (though he was vocal in calling for DeLay to step aside) and also an embarrassing incident where one of his campaign staffers trolled liberal blogs posing as a someone else.
  • Mike Fitzpatrick - Took some $21,500 in donations from Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham and TomDeLay.

That’s fifteen incumbent Republican Representatives who were mixed up in scandal, corruption and connections to corruption (perceived and otherwise).  I’d argue that none of them lost because their opponent was the better choice for voters but rather because their scandals, shady dealings and connections to corruption (as tacit as they may be in some instances) discouraged voters.  Made them not want to show up at the polls or vote for someone else. 

Fifteen races where Democrats won because the incumbent Republican was tainted.

Nearly all of these folks come from traditionally strong Republican districts, so had it not been for the scandal and corruption they would more than likely all still be in office.  Meaning that the Democrats would have picked up only 13 seats in the House on election day rather than the 28 they did get, which in turn would mean that the Dems would still be in the minority.

The same is true in the Senate:

  • Conrad Burns - Heavily involved in the Abramoff controversy.
  • Mike DeWine - Had some ad campaign controversies (one ad showed the World Trade Center with smoke added, another falsely accused his opponent of not paying his taxes), was smeared with the Ohio GOP’s scandals and controversies, and was one of the most liberal Republican Senators in Washington.
  • Rick Santorum - Received contributions to his charity from a contractor who was subsequently awarded a federal contract.

Again, Republican incumbents involved in scandals and controversies who subsequently lost to their Democrat opponents.  Did the Democrats earn these victories, or did they merely win by default because the voters were fed up with the corruption and scandal from the Republican incumbent?

I think the latter’s true.  And if it’s true, then these men wouldn’t have lost their seats and Democrats wouldn’t have a majority in the Senate either.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that the Democrats didn’t legitimately gain ground this election.  They did, but as liberals go around talking about their “mandate” we should remember that a lot of the elections they won were low-hanging fruit in districts that are traditionally and consistently conservative Republican.  Even in races where the incumbent Republican wasn’t directly plagued by scandal and controversy he or she was still tainted by the larger scandals that involved other GOP candidates.

I’m also not saying that corrupt or scandal plagued-Republicans didn’t deserve to lose.  They did, but the point here is that Democrats didn’t get their current majority through a victory of ideas of policies.  They got their current majority because Republicans shot themselves in the foot with corruption, scandal and an abandonment of the principles they embraced when they first got into office.

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I never would’ve suspected it, although it sort of makes sense, but based on what you’ve put together in your post, there definately seems to be a strong correlation between conservativism and corruption.

Chad on November 9, 2006 at 08:03 am
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both, but I would describe it as a Super Bowl game in which the home team and team with the most money invested committed so much penalties that it just made it shockingly easy for the other (i.e. the Democrats) to WIN.

aNONOMISLY on November 9, 2006 at 08:04 am
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...a lot of people are calling this a victory for liberalism or Democrat ideas/principles.

Rob,

I’d be truly grateful if someone could explain to me just what those Democrat principles really are.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 08:06 am
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..and the coaches (including the headcoaces in chief) were called too many bad plays.

The away team win wasn’t really a testament to its players great skills, but it did WIN.

aNONOMISLY on November 9, 2006 at 08:07 am
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I’d be truly grateful if someone could explain to me just what those Democrat principles really are.

# Comatose people to be ground up and fed to poor
# Quarterly mandatory abortion lottery
# Jane Fonda to be appointed Secretary of Appeasement
# Outlaw all firearms: previous owners assigned to anger management therapy
# Ban Christmas: replace with Celebrate our Monkey Ancestors Day

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/11/08/the_right_was_right_.html

Chad on November 9, 2006 at 08:15 am
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Chad,

I’m sure you’re getting used to it by now, but once more you are wrong.  Or at least partly so.

The correlation is not between corruption and conservatism (although I’m sure you would fervently like it to be), but between holding office and corruption.

After all, it wasn’t all THAT long ago when Democrats were last in power that we were regaled by the assorted (and sordid) spectacles of the Abscam, the Keating Five, former Speaker Jimn Wright’s union-based book deal, the House Bank check kiting, and the House Post Office scandals.

Obviously, a short memory span and a handful of ready excuses are distinct assets for liberals.  But there are still quite a few of us with more prodigious memories and the wisdom to put them to good use.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 08:22 am

Bla bla bla had it not been for the scandal and corruption they would more than likely all still be in office.

Bla bla… Again, Republican incumbents involved in scandals.

Bla bla bla …Even in races where the incumbent Republican wasn’t directly plagued by scandal and controversy he or she was still tainted by the larger scandals that involved other GOP candidates.

Bla bla bla…Republicans shot themselves in the foot with corruption, scandal and an abandonment of the principles they embraced when they first got into office.

Like I was saying, it was the filthy, traitorous, widespread culture of gop corruption.

Thanks for finally backing me up Rob.


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realitybasedbob on November 9, 2006 at 08:22 am
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# Comatose people to be ground up and fed to poor.

Chad,

Obviously this is NOT going to help Hillary’s chances in ‘08.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 08:26 am

But there are still quite a few of us with more prodigious memories and the wisdom to put them to good use.

Nixon
Iran/Contra
Gingrich
Packwood


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realitybasedbob on November 9, 2006 at 08:27 am
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I don’t think Democrats won this election, I think Republicans lost it and Democrats came into power by default.

The 2004 elections showed us that mere anti-republican sentiment is not enough to cause a democratic victory.  This time, people voted for democrats and democratic ideals. 

Rob - why are you being such a baby?  Just say, “Congrats - I lost, I was wrong”, and let’s move on to repair the mess you created.

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Richard Pombo - Lost re-election due to connections with Jack Abramoff, as well as allegations of questionable campaign donations, misuse of official government resources and nepotism.

Also throw into the mix, that Pombo had been heavily hit with robo-dialers for the last 18 months...the same kind that were threatening “the end of democracy as we know it” when they were allegedly used by Republicans before the election.



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Proof on November 9, 2006 at 08:49 am
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RBB,

I’ll see your Packwood/Gingrich and raise you one Arkansas trailer park and a blue dress.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 08:50 am
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This time, people voted for democrats and democratic ideals.

Really?  Are you sure?  Then why did all the new Demcorat faces in Congress have to move to the right to win their elections?  Why did Nancy Pelosi have to promise not to have impeachment hearings (which we’ll probably have anyway)?

This was no victory for liberalism, but if you need to tell yourself go right ahead.


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Rob on November 9, 2006 at 08:54 am

Rob - why are you being such a baby?  Just say, “Congrats - I lost, I was wrong”, and let’s move on to repair the mess you created.

We lost, but we aren’t wrong.  It’s never wrong to stand for the founding principles of America.  The mess is just beginning.  Bush has spent six years cleaning up Clinton’s mess(9/11 and Al Qaeda); I just hope he finishes the job while the Dems are trying hard to create another one.


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robert108 on November 9, 2006 at 09:00 am
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My own impression is that the country wants to be more centrist. Center-right, I think…but much more “center” than “right.” Most of the Dems who won were not flaming socialists but folks who portrayed themselves as “conservative” Dems…

The Dems managed to pull this off by telling America almost nothing of what they planned to do. But with the help of the MSM they managed to spin negativity on Republicans.

The Republicans ignored their roots of Regan era conservatism and fiscal responsibility. Republicans became democrats and democrats pretended to be Republican in their values. The public just wanted to be more centrist and here we are. Considering that most of those states that had Gay Marriage amendments were rejected by the voter I think it is safe to say this was a vote to change policy and not a vote against Bush per se.

If Pelosi is foolish enough to get revenge against Bush for doing his duty to protect Americans, then she will damage the democrats significantly in the 08 election.

All eyes are on democrats to either act professional for a change or continue behaving like the juveniles they have been for the past six years.

Personally speaking, I don’t think democrats have the intelectual capacity to resist acting out like punks.
Time will tell.

Mickey on November 9, 2006 at 09:18 am

Mickey: Only one disagreement with what you wrote:

This meme about “centrist” is part of the leftie lie.  Conservatives haven’t moved anywhere; we still stand for the founding principles of America.  The Dems have moved so far left that they now characterize our unchanged position as “far-right wing”, which is a lie.  What is now described as “centrist” is really way left of center.  This is an artifact of averaging the real centrism of conservatism with the far-left fringe beliefs of the present national Dem Party, and redefining what “center” really is.


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robert108 on November 9, 2006 at 09:23 am
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..On Tuesday, it was the independent voters that were the diciders in chief.

aNONOMISLY on November 9, 2006 at 09:34 am
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robert108

Agreed.  I was summing up the moderate voter, who unfortunately, isn’t very well informed except for the crap that the MSM spoon feeds them.

The democrats have to prove themselves now.

Mickey on November 9, 2006 at 09:35 am
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anon,

You could also argue that the ones who really decided things on Tuesday were the ones who stayed home.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 09:43 am

No you can’t.


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realitybasedbob on November 9, 2006 at 09:46 am
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You can’t, Bat, because that would be inconvenient to the sort of conclusions Mr. Boob wants to draw from this election.


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Rob on November 9, 2006 at 09:54 am
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In my state, as with many others during this mid-term election, we experienced record numbers of voters. When the people show up to vote, Democrats win. Why else would Republicans be all about voter suppression?

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When the people show up to vote, Democrats win.

A bit of nonsense that is put to rest by the fact that the all-time record for voter turnout was 2004, which was a good year for Republicans.


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Rob on November 9, 2006 at 09:58 am
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...which was a good year for Republicans.

Thanks to a few well placed Diebold machines and some redrawn districts.

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"WE WIN OR YOU CHEATED!!1!!1”

Right, Chad?


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Rob on November 9, 2006 at 10:04 am
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In my state, as with many others during this mid-term election, we experienced record numbers of voters.

Really, Chad??? And exactly which states are you referring to?  Please enlighten us.  I haven’t seen any reference to a record number of voters turning out this past Tuesday in any state, but I would certainly be open to correction if you can manage it.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 11:13 am
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You can’t, Bat, because that would be inconvenient to the sort of conclusions Mr. Boob wants to draw from this election.

Rob,

Mr. Boob’s conclusions are a hopeless gumbo of self-serving delusions and congenital intellectual dysfunction, a kind of blue-collar Keith Olberman without the tie and the cue cards.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 11:18 am
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Really, Chad??? And exactly which states are you referring to?  Please enlighten us.  I haven’t seen any reference to a record number of voters turning out this past Tuesday in any state, but I would certainly be open to correction if you can manage it.

Google is your friend.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2638047

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Given the 2004 election, I don’t think big voter turn out is necessarily a positive or negative for either party.

But Chad just believes what it is convenient for him to believe.


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Rob on November 9, 2006 at 11:25 am

Rob: Of course, if Republicans had ever used voting machines to win elections, why didn’t we do it this time?  It’s funny how that whole subject has disappeared from the MSM talking points.


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robert108 on November 9, 2006 at 11:27 am
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Big voter turnout by itself, maybe not. Big voter turnout without a barrage of stories about corrupt election results, probably.

Chad on November 9, 2006 at 11:29 am
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Rob: Of course, if Republicans had ever used voting machines to win elections, why didn’t we do it this time?  It’s funny how that whole subject has disappeared from the MSM talking points.

Because the people learned their lesson last time, and wouldn’t stand for not having their votes counted correctly.

“Fool me once shame on.. shame on you… eh.. um.. a fooled man can’t get fooled again.”

Chad on November 9, 2006 at 11:32 am

Chad: No such irregularities have ever been proven to have happened.  It is simply another lying allegation by the lying lefties.


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robert108 on November 9, 2006 at 11:34 am
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In my state, as with many others during this mid-term election, we experienced record numbers of voters.

Chad, overstating voter turnout, and his own importance.

The national figure of slightly over 40 percent turnout this year compares with 39.7 percent in the last midterm in 2002.

ABC News story cited by Chad to defend his over exaggeration.

Big voter turnout by itself, maybe not.

Chad, rebutting his own assertion.

Great credibility builder there, Chad!

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 12:35 pm

It’s that the Republicans lost it, for sure; many Republicans probably voted Democratic because they considered it to be the lesser of two evils.

GroovyPKP on November 9, 2006 at 12:39 pm
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Young Americans voted in the largest numbers in at least 20 years in congressional elections, energized by the Iraq war and giving a boost to Democrats, pollsters said on Wednesday.

About 24 percent of Americans under the age of 30, or at least 10 million young voters, cast ballots in Tuesday’s elections that saw Democrats make big gains in Congress. That was up 4 percentage points from the last mid-term elections in 2002.

“This looks like the highest in 20 years,” said Mark Lopez, research director of the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement, which compiled the data based on exit polls. “Unfortunately, we can’t say if it’s a record because don’t have good comparable data before 1986.”

Rock the Vote, a youth-and-civics group, said young voters favored Democrats by a 22-point margin, nearly three times the margin Democrats earned among other age groups and dealing a potentially decisive blow to Republicans in tight races.

http://elections.us.reuters.com/top/news/usnN08342322.html

Chad on November 9, 2006 at 12:41 pm
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Victory is its own defense.

Complete Smartass on November 9, 2006 at 12:45 pm

Yes, the young adults tend to vote Democratic, because they are so naive!  Oh yeah, they’re against the war; “war is bad and never justified, we just need to get out!” But their thinking is so two-dimensional and naive; do they even know where oil comes from? And that oil makes the world go ‘round?  They like their lavish American lifestyles, the cell phones, the iPods, hopping in the car to go to the mall to buy more new clothes, then going out to eat at a nice restaurant, the wireless lap-top, etc.  Without oil, that lifestyle would not exist.  If Saddam were allowed to go on, and if he eventually got nukes, he could just roll right into Saudi Arabia and have control over most of the world’s oil, and we wouldn’t be able to do anything about it - it would be too late!  That’s why we’re doing something NOW; that and the fact that the 1st G. Bush didn’t take care of Saddam when he had the chance…

GroovyPKP on November 9, 2006 at 12:52 pm
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Chad,

Stop parsing and squirming and trying to weasel your way out of what you said.  We already know you’re a Democrat.  There’s no reason to prove it any further by backtracking on your own words… again.

Just own up to the fact that in your exuberant left-wing adolescence, you “mis-spoke” and said something that wasn’t anywhere near the truth.  Or give us the names of those states you said had record voter turnout and let us look it up for ourselves.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 12:58 pm

The Republicans here in Virginia were fell victim to foot-in-mouth disease with George Allen committing political sucicide all by himself. Not that I approve of a mud-slinging campaign instead of presenting the issues,which without the Times-Dispatch we would have heard nary a word.

Margie on November 9, 2006 at 01:00 pm

Virginia had a record turn out, twice as many voters as the last congressional election.

Margie on November 9, 2006 at 01:02 pm
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Victory is its own defense.

Ah, yes!  The old “Ends justify the Means” meme all dressed up in a new age suit.  Typical leftist pronouncement.  Joe Stalin would be so proud.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 01:06 pm
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Margie,

I believe the source of your information on Virginia voter turnout is in error.

According to Dr. Michael McDonald, head of the Department of International and Public Affairs at George Mason University, voter turnout in Virginia this year was 2,375,000 or 40.5% of the voting age population in the state of Virginia.

The turnout in 2002, the last mid-term election, was 1,498,442, or 26.92% of the VAP.

Obviously this year’s turnout was more than 20% less than double that of 2002.  Nor was this year’s turnout anywhere near the 2004 record turnout of 3,223,156 total voters.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 01:32 pm

Sorry, my mistake, Bat one, should have verified. Still, that was quite an improvement over the last Congressional election, and can’t be compared to a Presidential election, apples and oranges. Voters were a bit riled this year, all for the wrong reasons

Margie on November 9, 2006 at 01:43 pm
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Margie,

No harm, no foul!  It’s just that the lefties are spinning this like some sort of progressive insurrection, which of course it was not at all.  Kinda fun cutting ‘em off at the knees with the truth.  Political push-ups.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 02:01 pm

I gotta say that B O, you’re a boob.

When complete smartass said: Victory is its own defense.

You punted:

Ah, yes!  The old “Ends justify the Means” meme all dressed up in a new age suit.  Typical leftist pronouncement.  Joe Stalin would be so proud.

Bat One on November 9, 2006 at 03:06 pm

I’m sure that you never said: Hey bush won, get over it. No, not you.

gops got their asses walloped, rummy is out, mehlman is out, turd blossom failed, lots gops are going to jail and the dems won the senate, the house, majority of governorships, state legislatures and did not lose even one incumbent seat.

For once I agree with this president, a thumping it was.


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realitybasedbob on November 10, 2006 at 06:32 am
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bobbie,

If I ever get to the point where I am half so congenitally small minded and myopic as you are, I will shoot myself as a favor to my family and the rest of humanity.

What you are apparently incapable of comprehending is that while the Republicans did indeed get “thumped” as the President so succinctly put it, conservatives have done quite nicely, thank you.  And IT IS THE PRINCIPLES THAT ARE IMPORTANT, NOT THE PARTY!

Progressive dolts like you have nothing more than your own bigotry to fall back on.  While those of us on/in the Right are impervious.  All you’ve got is the pathetic rationalization that the end justifies the means.  Beyond the self-justification and aggrandizement you have nothing to offer.

Bat One on November 10, 2006 at 06:59 am

God is on Bat One’s side. Damn.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on November 10, 2006 at 07:00 am
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sparkie,

Once again you’re confused.  It’s the other way around.  Got any Queens?

Bat One on November 10, 2006 at 07:11 am

go fish.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on November 10, 2006 at 07:14 am

My goodness, I do believe B O has come unhinged.
Screechy becomes you.


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realitybasedbob on November 10, 2006 at 07:50 am
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The Dems are equally corrupt (for goodness sake, land grabber Harry Reid is now the leading Democratic Senator), so corruption can’t be the reason voters left the Republicans.

Webloggin on November 10, 2006 at 10:22 am
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